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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 9:55 PM ET #276

    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

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    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:05 PM ET #277

    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

    If i was born with a real gift to lie, steal and cheat as some people DEFINITLY are....(Some are damn good at it)

    Does that mean i shouldnt be condemned when i do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

    If i was born with a real gift to lie, steal and cheat as some people DEFINITLY are....(Some are damn good at it)

    Does that mean i shouldnt be condemned when i do it?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #278

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    all testabilities within this earth...

    Until you die how can you PROVE the eternal life?

    Definitly all testables within this world have been fulfilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    all testabilities within this earth...

    Until you die how can you PROVE the eternal life?

    Definitly all testables within this world have been fulfilled.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:09 PM ET #279

    Rostos, NOBODY is born with a real gift to lie steal and cheat.

    Gifts are from God.  God would never endow somebody with an ability to lie steal and cheat

    Those are ALL choices people make along the course of their life.

     

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    Rostos, NOBODY is born with a real gift to lie steal and cheat.

    Gifts are from God.  God would never endow somebody with an ability to lie steal and cheat

    Those are ALL choices people make along the course of their life.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:19 PM ET #280

    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
    Crash-
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    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:24 PM ET #281

    Also help me-
    What is up with the Lutherans and the Presbyterians and their views on homosexuality? Since they accept gays in their Church with your same Jesus, can these denominations go to heaven, does Jesus love them?

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    Also help me-
    What is up with the Lutherans and the Presbyterians and their views on homosexuality? Since they accept gays in their Church with your same Jesus, can these denominations go to heaven, does Jesus love them?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 8:53 PM ET #282

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
    Crash-



    any references are appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
    Crash-



    any references are appreciated
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2011 - 12:08 AM ET #283

    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

    1. Just when I thought I was done talking about this perverted forbidden sexual practice concerning homosexuality the other day, I get pulled right back into talking about it one last time and hopefully this time try to finally clear things up and then I'm done and if you are still not convinced smartapple, I suggest you talk to a priest or preacher, or someone who is very knowledgeable about the scriptures at a church concerning this forbidden sexual practice regarding homosexuality as God has clearly told us through the Laws of Moses it is a detestable sin.

    2. How do you know it's the truth? What are you basing it on? Has gay people told you they can't help themselves because they were born that way? If serial killers start telling us they can't help themselves when they murder people because they were born to do that evil deed, would you believe them? When God tells us a sin is a sin in the bible who are we to question Him? I already told you there are 18 forbidden sexual practices and one of them is homosexuality. I'll give you another that God said it should be forbidden because it is sinful. God said, "While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act." ---Leviticus 18:18

    So now I have given you 2 out of 18 forbidden sexual practices and again whoever wants to know the rest, go and read Chapter 18 of Leviticus in the Holy Bible. Furthermore God said and the end of Chapter 18, "All these detestable activities are practiced by the people of the land where I am taking you, and this is how the land has become defiled. So do not defile the land and give it reason to vomit you out, as it will vomit out the people who live there now. Whoever commits any of these detestable sins will be cut off from the community of Israel. So obey my instructions, and do not defile yourselves by committing any of these detestable practices that were committed by the people who lived in the land before you. I am the Lord your God." ---Leviticus 18:27-30

    So if a person who marries his wife's sister while his wife is still living and has sexual relations with her tells you that he can't help himself because he was born that way to have relations with his wife's sister are you going to believe him?

    3. Yes that is true, God will never condemn anybody for being born a cetain way, for example being born blind, or being born deaf, or being born without limbs but at judgment day as written in the Holy Bible God will condemn anyone who doesn't obey His laws that He has given mankind.

    4. Yes I believe Moses carried out those instructions because the Lord gave Moses those direct intructions when the Lord said to Moses, "Give the people of Israel these instructions, which apply both to native Israelites and to the foreigners living is Israel." Leviticus 20:1-2

    5. Remember I told you to read your bible closely and try not to misinterpret what it is saying? Well, right here is a good example of it, you are misinterpreting what you are reading. God is not giving us those instructions but rather He gave them to Moses during the time Moses lived some 3000 years ago and so it is not for us to carry out today but during the time Moses lived, it needed to be carried out. I mean just think for a moment on why do you suppose God wanted Moses to carry out those instructions...could it be that during the time Moses lived because there weren't that many people living, that God couldn't allow the forbidden sexual practice of homosexuality with the certainty that sexually transmitted diseases would spread and wipe out the entire human race at that time? The most unclean or should I say the most bacterial laden part of the human anatomy is a person's anus. It is an unnatural act and very unclean and will certainly spread uncurable diseases. We, today can attest to that with the spread of the incurable virus that causes AIDS.

    6. Very true, Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals and never spoke of it, however He did say, "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." ---Matthew 5:17-19

    So in otherwords Jesus didn't come to us to ammend or change any laws that were written in the Old Testament. All of the laws that God handed down to Moses which includes the Ten Commandments and laws like forbidden sexual practices that homosexuality comes under still stands. So once again, let me point it out to you that God said, "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."---Leviticus 18:22

    Lastly, in closing I want to say that homosexuals were born the same as everyone else, but they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle of homosexuality which to God is SINFUL and one should be very careful when reading the Holy Bible because one can easily misinterpret what they are reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    SJD, I know exactly what verse you are reffering to.  I do not need to read my bible any closer.

    It is a TRUTH that gays are born the way that they were.  You really cannot deny that. 

    God would never condemn anybody for being born a certain way.  That is also a truth.

    Since you believe everything the OT says about homosexuality, you must believe this verse than right'?

     "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    If a man has sex with another man, kill them both.

    Since you are a devout believer in the words of the lord in the OT, why dont you do as he says and kill all homosexuals?

    Wouldnt that contradict the words of Jesus when jesus says you must love your neighbor as thyself?.  Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals.  In fact, Jesus never even spoke on the issue of homosexuality.

    1. Just when I thought I was done talking about this perverted forbidden sexual practice concerning homosexuality the other day, I get pulled right back into talking about it one last time and hopefully this time try to finally clear things up and then I'm done and if you are still not convinced smartapple, I suggest you talk to a priest or preacher, or someone who is very knowledgeable about the scriptures at a church concerning this forbidden sexual practice regarding homosexuality as God has clearly told us through the Laws of Moses it is a detestable sin.

    2. How do you know it's the truth? What are you basing it on? Has gay people told you they can't help themselves because they were born that way? If serial killers start telling us they can't help themselves when they murder people because they were born to do that evil deed, would you believe them? When God tells us a sin is a sin in the bible who are we to question Him? I already told you there are 18 forbidden sexual practices and one of them is homosexuality. I'll give you another that God said it should be forbidden because it is sinful. God said, "While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act." ---Leviticus 18:18

    So now I have given you 2 out of 18 forbidden sexual practices and again whoever wants to know the rest, go and read Chapter 18 of Leviticus in the Holy Bible. Furthermore God said and the end of Chapter 18, "All these detestable activities are practiced by the people of the land where I am taking you, and this is how the land has become defiled. So do not defile the land and give it reason to vomit you out, as it will vomit out the people who live there now. Whoever commits any of these detestable sins will be cut off from the community of Israel. So obey my instructions, and do not defile yourselves by committing any of these detestable practices that were committed by the people who lived in the land before you. I am the Lord your God." ---Leviticus 18:27-30

    So if a person who marries his wife's sister while his wife is still living and has sexual relations with her tells you that he can't help himself because he was born that way to have relations with his wife's sister are you going to believe him?

    3. Yes that is true, God will never condemn anybody for being born a cetain way, for example being born blind, or being born deaf, or being born without limbs but at judgment day as written in the Holy Bible God will condemn anyone who doesn't obey His laws that He has given mankind.

    4. Yes I believe Moses carried out those instructions because the Lord gave Moses those direct intructions when the Lord said to Moses, "Give the people of Israel these instructions, which apply both to native Israelites and to the foreigners living is Israel." Leviticus 20:1-2

    5. Remember I told you to read your bible closely and try not to misinterpret what it is saying? Well, right here is a good example of it, you are misinterpreting what you are reading. God is not giving us those instructions but rather He gave them to Moses during the time Moses lived some 3000 years ago and so it is not for us to carry out today but during the time Moses lived, it needed to be carried out. I mean just think for a moment on why do you suppose God wanted Moses to carry out those instructions...could it be that during the time Moses lived because there weren't that many people living, that God couldn't allow the forbidden sexual practice of homosexuality with the certainty that sexually transmitted diseases would spread and wipe out the entire human race at that time? The most unclean or should I say the most bacterial laden part of the human anatomy is a person's anus. It is an unnatural act and very unclean and will certainly spread uncurable diseases. We, today can attest to that with the spread of the incurable virus that causes AIDS.

    6. Very true, Jesus never said to kill all homosexuals and never spoke of it, however He did say, "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." ---Matthew 5:17-19

    So in otherwords Jesus didn't come to us to ammend or change any laws that were written in the Old Testament. All of the laws that God handed down to Moses which includes the Ten Commandments and laws like forbidden sexual practices that homosexuality comes under still stands. So once again, let me point it out to you that God said, "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."---Leviticus 18:22

    Lastly, in closing I want to say that homosexuals were born the same as everyone else, but they just chose to be different by engaging in a perverted lifestyle of homosexuality which to God is SINFUL and one should be very careful when reading the Holy Bible because one can easily misinterpret what they are reading.

     
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    SJD, you have to understand for yourself that gays ARE born that way.  Have an open mind here.

    I too believe in the Lord God, and i believe in what he says, but i can say with much certainty that gays do not choose that lifestyle, it is the way they just are.

    No man would physically choose to be with another man.  Like I said before, many many gay people are depressed and feel immense pressure from society because they know from a young age their sexual orientation is different.  They dont choose it, it is just the way they are.

    For example, look at Ricky Martin.  Here is a man who for many years dated woman, but knew that something just wasnt right.  Surely, if he knew he was straight he would never have chose to be gay, but he wasnt straight.  Somewhere deep within, he always had feelings for men.  Its not a choice, its just how he was born as a person.

    I am straight and can say for sure I am not gay.

    Im sure anyone who is straight can say for sure they are not gay

    But not everyone is born straight, some people are just born with the attraction for the same sex.  Thats just the way it is.

    No straight person would choose to be with someone of the same sex.  End of Story.

     

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    SJD, you have to understand for yourself that gays ARE born that way.  Have an open mind here.

    I too believe in the Lord God, and i believe in what he says, but i can say with much certainty that gays do not choose that lifestyle, it is the way they just are.

    No man would physically choose to be with another man.  Like I said before, many many gay people are depressed and feel immense pressure from society because they know from a young age their sexual orientation is different.  They dont choose it, it is just the way they are.

    For example, look at Ricky Martin.  Here is a man who for many years dated woman, but knew that something just wasnt right.  Surely, if he knew he was straight he would never have chose to be gay, but he wasnt straight.  Somewhere deep within, he always had feelings for men.  Its not a choice, its just how he was born as a person.

    I am straight and can say for sure I am not gay.

    Im sure anyone who is straight can say for sure they are not gay

    But not everyone is born straight, some people are just born with the attraction for the same sex.  Thats just the way it is.

    No straight person would choose to be with someone of the same sex.  End of Story.

     

     
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    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.

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    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.

     
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    What you need to do SJD is watch this video with an open mind.  Especially make sure to watch the last 45 Seconds. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L57chjPy7SA

    1.  If he was born a straight man, and he just recently "chose" to be gay, than why would he risk his career and everything he has worked so hard to accomplish to be something he isnt?

    2.  Secondly, if he was born a straight man, why would he choose to live a gay lifestyle when, like he said, "being a gay black man is the worst possible thing you can be in the black community".  Surely, he wouldnt want to choose that for himself.

    3.  Thirdly, I think you can conclude from this video that Don Lemon has finally decided to come out of the closet and reveal to the world the way he was born and the way he always has been.  Like he has said, it was not a choice.  You need to look at these facts and understand, this man is telling the truth.

    I believe I have made a strong case, but now I would like to hear your response SJD.

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    What you need to do SJD is watch this video with an open mind.  Especially make sure to watch the last 45 Seconds. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L57chjPy7SA

    1.  If he was born a straight man, and he just recently "chose" to be gay, than why would he risk his career and everything he has worked so hard to accomplish to be something he isnt?

    2.  Secondly, if he was born a straight man, why would he choose to live a gay lifestyle when, like he said, "being a gay black man is the worst possible thing you can be in the black community".  Surely, he wouldnt want to choose that for himself.

    3.  Thirdly, I think you can conclude from this video that Don Lemon has finally decided to come out of the closet and reveal to the world the way he was born and the way he always has been.  Like he has said, it was not a choice.  You need to look at these facts and understand, this man is telling the truth.

    I believe I have made a strong case, but now I would like to hear your response SJD.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.


    and you are an idiot, please tell us why anyone would "choose" be gay, and when you chose to be heterosexual If you even are...I have my doubts

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    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.


    and you are an idiot, please tell us why anyone would "choose" be gay, and when you chose to be heterosexual If you even are...I have my doubts

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.

     

     

    I know for certain GOD would say: That is the way they were born.  You must learn to love them as thyself.

    I believe you SJD have been very very close-minded to the fact that it is the way they were born.

    You see what is written in the OT and automatically nothing else can shift your judgement on that subject.

    I will agree that what is said about homosexuality in the OT is strong, but what I know for sure when you learn to open your mind is that, being gay is absolutely 100% not a choice, it IS the way they were born.  You must get that through your mind.

     

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    You are stubborn and I get the feeling it's because you yourself are a practicing homosexual...right? 

    At judgment day you can argue with God on that subject and see who wins that argument.

     

     

    I know for certain GOD would say: That is the way they were born.  You must learn to love them as thyself.

    I believe you SJD have been very very close-minded to the fact that it is the way they were born.

    You see what is written in the OT and automatically nothing else can shift your judgement on that subject.

    I will agree that what is said about homosexuality in the OT is strong, but what I know for sure when you learn to open your mind is that, being gay is absolutely 100% not a choice, it IS the way they were born.  You must get that through your mind.

     

     
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    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
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    SJD-
    appreciate your input in this thread. Good stuff.
    Could you quote me the verses in the new testament where Jesus talks about homosexuality.
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Also help me-
    What is up with the Lutherans and the Presbyterians and their views on homosexuality? Since they accept gays in their Church with your same Jesus, can these denominations go to heaven, does Jesus love them?




    ?  can anyone answer this for me?
    If I was a Lutheran I think I would be bummed.
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    Also help me-
    What is up with the Lutherans and the Presbyterians and their views on homosexuality? Since they accept gays in their Church with your same Jesus, can these denominations go to heaven, does Jesus love them?




    ?  can anyone answer this for me?
    If I was a Lutheran I think I would be bummed.
     
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    "'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.


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    "'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.


    bummer
     
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    "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."---Leviticus 18:22

    You know this is not what it says, to me and this is to me, some Christians for some reason have not shown tolerance towards the gay population and have changed this verse. Also, it does say to put these people to death in the next line, should we be doing that? Can we pick and choose how we use this verse?
    Are the Lutherans reading a different book, how can they have accepted Gays so much? They must not know and love God.
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    "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."---Leviticus 18:22

    You know this is not what it says, to me and this is to me, some Christians for some reason have not shown tolerance towards the gay population and have changed this verse. Also, it does say to put these people to death in the next line, should we be doing that? Can we pick and choose how we use this verse?
    Are the Lutherans reading a different book, how can they have accepted Gays so much? They must not know and love God.
     
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    Those who believe in god are still pushing the free will idea, you do not have free will, you have a range of probability. The fact you believe in the OT, or the NT has everything to do with where you are born, not any "choice" you made. Man will only no true freedom when the last priest is strangled with the entrails of the last king.
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    Those who believe in god are still pushing the free will idea, you do not have free will, you have a range of probability. The fact you believe in the OT, or the NT has everything to do with where you are born, not any "choice" you made. Man will only no true freedom when the last priest is strangled with the entrails of the last king.
     
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    SJD love the way you go with the old "Tjhe Bible says this, and the bible says that. Another person who believes what they are told. The heavy lifting needed to get your brain above a five year olds, well, there isn't enough time in the day to get you educated my friend. Just, please do not spew your hate on people less perfect then you. Please understand the majority of other humans do not hold your ignorant beliefs. They don't need, or deserve the abuse. Because most compassionate people would not put down their neighbors at all. I hope you keep your ignorant comments to yourself when around other human beings. Strangers that is, not amongst your mewing herd.
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    SJD love the way you go with the old "Tjhe Bible says this, and the bible says that. Another person who believes what they are told. The heavy lifting needed to get your brain above a five year olds, well, there isn't enough time in the day to get you educated my friend. Just, please do not spew your hate on people less perfect then you. Please understand the majority of other humans do not hold your ignorant beliefs. They don't need, or deserve the abuse. Because most compassionate people would not put down their neighbors at all. I hope you keep your ignorant comments to yourself when around other human beings. Strangers that is, not amongst your mewing herd.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Correction: So are you saying that God is wrong when He tells us those 18 perverted sexual practices should be forbidden? You better not be believing that young man. Like I said in an earlier post you better start reading your bible a whole lot closer and not be confused or misinterpret what you are reading. God makes it very clear to us on what He considers sin.

    You are refering to a text re-written, and re-written over and over again to suit political agendas. Not anything written by supernatural beings. Is their a little workshop somewhere we can tour, like the Robert Frost house, or Tolstoy's farm? where we can walk around and hear the tour guide say, "and this is where god worked on the first draft... angles winged fresh copies to prophets and kings around the world...

    And how do you justify gambling? Isn't that a sin? Isn't already to late for yourself, going to hell sinner...
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    Correction: So are you saying that God is wrong when He tells us those 18 perverted sexual practices should be forbidden? You better not be believing that young man. Like I said in an earlier post you better start reading your bible a whole lot closer and not be confused or misinterpret what you are reading. God makes it very clear to us on what He considers sin.

    You are refering to a text re-written, and re-written over and over again to suit political agendas. Not anything written by supernatural beings. Is their a little workshop somewhere we can tour, like the Robert Frost house, or Tolstoy's farm? where we can walk around and hear the tour guide say, "and this is where god worked on the first draft... angles winged fresh copies to prophets and kings around the world...

    And how do you justify gambling? Isn't that a sin? Isn't already to late for yourself, going to hell sinner...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartapple123:

    Rostos, NOBODY is born with a real gift to lie steal and cheat.

    Gifts are from God.  God would never endow somebody with an ability to lie steal and cheat

    Those are ALL choices people make along the course of their life.

     

    Another deluded sot who needs to research free will, and the fact you don't have it.
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    Rostos, NOBODY is born with a real gift to lie steal and cheat.

    Gifts are from God.  God would never endow somebody with an ability to lie steal and cheat

    Those are ALL choices people make along the course of their life.

     

    Another deluded sot who needs to research free will, and the fact you don't have it.
     
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    But back to the original point; what jesus did was no big deal. Normal people, with no promise of eternal life, give their lives for others everyday because they believe it is right! Nameless millions who have stood up to state terror, and where tortured, killed, pushed out of helicopters, sufficated in mass graves, etc...Mostly by military might supplied by USA, Britian, France, China, etc. During the 70's, and 80's for example, the elimination of the poor in Chile, Nicaruaga is voluminous, and horrendous.

    I find someone who lays down his life with no promise of reward most compelling, I find someone laying down their life for "eternal reward", a craven opportunist.
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    But back to the original point; what jesus did was no big deal. Normal people, with no promise of eternal life, give their lives for others everyday because they believe it is right! Nameless millions who have stood up to state terror, and where tortured, killed, pushed out of helicopters, sufficated in mass graves, etc...Mostly by military might supplied by USA, Britian, France, China, etc. During the 70's, and 80's for example, the elimination of the poor in Chile, Nicaruaga is voluminous, and horrendous.

    I find someone who lays down his life with no promise of reward most compelling, I find someone laying down their life for "eternal reward", a craven opportunist.
     
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    Jesus did not spend his time telling everyone who he was.  He spent his time telling people to LOVE one another.  If you don't believe - that's your choice as a human being.

    Quoting scripture just to validate your 'argument' is not a wise thing.  None of these discussions have anything to do with the original question.

    Those who hate Jesus and the Bible and religion are not going to change their minds because of something written in this forum.

    However, we can pray for you guys.

    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




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    Jesus did not spend his time telling everyone who he was.  He spent his time telling people to LOVE one another.  If you don't believe - that's your choice as a human being.

    Quoting scripture just to validate your 'argument' is not a wise thing.  None of these discussions have anything to do with the original question.

    Those who hate Jesus and the Bible and religion are not going to change their minds because of something written in this forum.

    However, we can pray for you guys.

    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAWGPRINT:



    Jesus did not spend his time telling everyone who he was.  He spent his time telling people to LOVE one another.  If you don't believe - that's your choice as a human being.

    Quoting scripture just to validate your 'argument' is not a wise thing.  None of these discussions have anything to do with the original question.

    Those who hate Jesus and the Bible and religion are not going to change their minds because of something written in this forum.

    However, we can pray for you guys.

    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




    Just because one does not believe in a certain religion, does not mean they hate it or those that do.
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    Jesus did not spend his time telling everyone who he was.  He spent his time telling people to LOVE one another.  If you don't believe - that's your choice as a human being.

    Quoting scripture just to validate your 'argument' is not a wise thing.  None of these discussions have anything to do with the original question.

    Those who hate Jesus and the Bible and religion are not going to change their minds because of something written in this forum.

    However, we can pray for you guys.

    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




    Just because one does not believe in a certain religion, does not mean they hate it or those that do.
     
     
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    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




    I can get behind this. Or, more to my liking, "Love is god-like".

    Not; god is what I read in this book, and have come to believe this means person's should be killed. I know my reason is fallible, so the best I can do is love that which I don't understand, not condemn it. Once I have some understanding, then I can take appropriate action. Such as; slavery is bad, opposing those weaker than you is bad, mostly because in others you see yourself. I could be the slave, I could be born into oppression, I could be the victom of a hate crime, I could be without food... empathy is where caring and god-like qualities come from in people, not from text which attempts to make others lesser than.
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    God is love, and that's the message Jesus spoke of when he was here. 




    I can get behind this. Or, more to my liking, "Love is god-like".

    Not; god is what I read in this book, and have come to believe this means person's should be killed. I know my reason is fallible, so the best I can do is love that which I don't understand, not condemn it. Once I have some understanding, then I can take appropriate action. Such as; slavery is bad, opposing those weaker than you is bad, mostly because in others you see yourself. I could be the slave, I could be born into oppression, I could be the victom of a hate crime, I could be without food... empathy is where caring and god-like qualities come from in people, not from text which attempts to make others lesser than.
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