First installment of Crazy Christians for 2013

But that doesnt mean that yours are right and others are wrong. Thats your problem with subjective morality under atheism You go around here preaching as if your standard of morality is right and is the way. That is a delusuon and it truely represents that you dotn even know the implications of your morality.

You going around parading your morality is no different to you going around parading vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Is vanilla ice cream better than chocolate ice cream? well it depends on the persons taste. Thats what morality is under Atheism. It is subjective. You thinking your moral views are correct is simply a delusion.

rostos, you can assume my morality is less than others.  maybe so.,  but if you have an issue with the moral judgment i've passed on any one i've posted about in this thread, go ahead and cite it and defend it and we can debate it. 

So how can someone be morally accountable ? It seems like its just an opinion

I am not saying it is better ot worse than others...Thats the point. Its like you going around proclaiming vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate.... useless statement.

Thats what it is, morality is subjective under atheism, one moral values or outlook is no more valuable or less valuable than any other persons...

Its a mute point.

don't take this the wrong way rostos, but the ice cream example is stupid.  we all understand what the word subjective means.  beyond that, the analogy is poor because someone else's ice cream preference has no effect on others while their morality does.

well, we may all understand what the word subjective means but do we all understand what the word morality means.  if you think there is objective morality, i'm sure i disagree with it but i'll entertain it.  there's plenty of subjective morality though and i'll take mine above all others. 

Kittykatz- I dunno why didn't you steal? That's my question? My guess is that you were scared if getting caught.

Getty- i don't know where atheists get their morality from. It seems to me that's they use a bunch of opinions. Like rostos says its subjective, so if a person does steal, it seems that's it's merely an opinion that it is 'wrong' to steal

It doesnt matter what you apply the word subjective to, taste, music , morality, unfortunately, under atheism, thats what morality is, it is subjective.

If you thinking raping a little is wrong and i think raping a little girl is right...who is right, who is wrong? Neither of us under subjective morality....If you think raping little girls is absolutely wrong, then that is simply an illusion.

Furthermore, under atheism, if i rape a little girl, i am not to blame, after all, arent i just a bag of chemicals evolved in a certain way that is reacting in a certain way to certain external stimuli? Why is it my fault. All the more reason why you cannot say rape is absolutely wrong.

They are right that they say you dont need to read the bible to know where to get morality from. Simply because the bible addresses this. we are all created in Gods image and Gods laws are written in all our hearts. You dont have to read the bible to know murder is wrong , stealing, raping etc etc. These are all written in our hearts and our conscience bears witness to it.

The better question to ask KK is, why didnt you steal when you had the chance? If this is the only life we have and the universe is ultimately going to die a heat death, than their is no reason for him not to steal, unless he gets joy from knowing that he didnt steal. But then, he is no different to me stealing and getting joy from stealing. If he thinks he is better than me, that is just an illusion as their is no objective morality under his Atheism.

The reality is, under atheism where morality is subjective and their is no ultimate accountability, and the universe is going to die a heat death, then why wouldnt a person live a selfless life and indulge in the desries of the flesh?

For KK when he said he didnt steal, the way i see it under his world view is like you know for a fact that you will die tomorrow and yet you go on a diet tonight. I mean, does it make sense for KK not to steal in the same as does it make sense to go on a diet tonight if you are going to go die tomorrow?

 

GSP and Rostos

well, rostos, i've seen some philosophical arguments that say morality may be objective on some basic level but that goes beyond our discussion here.

as to your third paragraph, i don't think i understand it.  what does our chemical composition have to do with atheism and evolution in the context of blame for a specific act?  you lost me there. 

again, i agree with KK in post 165.  that's pretty sad.  at this point, i'm not sure i refrain from doing anything solely because i might get caught.

honestly, if your religion is about holding a hammer over your head which is the only barrier preventing you from doing bad things, i don't want any part of that or the people who think that way. 

as an aside, i don't know how old you are but i don't think the quality chicks are going to be into that way of thinking.  we might need to take you out to some social events, see how you operate, see if we can fix you. 

No its not. If God does not exist, morality cannot be objective, they are subjective and just merely opinions, nothing more than somone thinking Kobe is better than Lebron or Jordan better than Kobe. Thats all they are, mere personal opinions.

As to the last point, under naturalism, the mind is the result of the brain. If the mind is the result of the brain, then chemicals react to external stimuli (world around) me in a different way than they do with you. So if i life little boys and rape little boys, its not my fault, its just the way the chemicals in my body and brain are reacting to the external stimuli around me.

Naturalism doesnt believe that the mind is seperate from the brain because then that would imply a metaphysical property which naturalists dont agree exist,

But KK, this is not the point. The point is, that you didnt steal because you get utility from that feeling of not stealing. If i steal then i get utility from the feeling of stealing. Neither of us are right and neither of us are wrong.

You believing its wrong is nothing more than illusion under subjective morality. I believe stealing is right under subjective morality. I mean, i am just increasing my chances of survivng and reproducing under evolution by stealing.

You cant say that my outlook is sad, if i told you Kobe was a better overall player than Lebron, will you say i am sad or wrong? Of course not, these are just subjective opinions, stealing is the same thing under subjective morality.

Where on earth does God condone Rape?

Regardless? WTF...

Yes, under subjective morality, rape is not objectively wrong, rather merely an opionion, like Kobe is better than lebron.