First installment of Crazy Christians for 2013

And neither was what that gunman in Cinci did to the children.....

Tell that to the parents of the affected children KK.....

Actually, KK, why dont you start a thread saying that what the guman did was not objtecively wrong...Going on KK....do it...Lets see how it goes down.

Well, i am saying what the gunman did was right. Good on him, he should have done it to more people, ...The reality is KK, what if i went on CNN and said this? Would the reaction be the same if i went on CNN and said Andrew Bynum is better than Dwight Howard?

Why is that KK? Because truths such as these are inbuilt in our system....

See how messed up subjective morality is.........?

This is the point, why should it be an outrage? It is just my opinion, theres isnt anymore right than mine. SO why would there be an outrage KK.

Clearly you don't understand the definition of what objective moral values and duties mean.

To say that moral values and duties are objective is to say that they are valid and binding independent of human opinion.

And so you are wrong by saying that what makes something objectively wrong means that every single person alive would agree. As I have stated above it is independent of human opinion.

Go do some research and you will see that clearly you have misunderstood objective moral values and duties.

Well yes, in your atheistic world-view rape is not objectively wrong, however in the theistic world-view, rape is objectively wrong.

Murdering innocent children in the atheistic world-view is not objectively wrong. Murdering innocent children in the theistic world-view is objectively wrong.

Sorry, kk, but you cannot say objective morality does not exist, if you can't prove God doesn't exist.

Objective morality does not exist, only if God doesn't exist.

Objective moral values, I mean values which are valid and binding whether people believe in them or not and so it is independent of human opinion.

Actions like rape, cruelty, racial hatred, and child abuse aren't just socially unacceptable behavior. They are truly evil.

The man who says it is morally acceptable to murder innocent children is just as mistaken as the man who says 2+2=5, and the man who says it is morally acceptable to rape little children.

Some things, at least, are truly evil.

But, if that is the case, then it follows logically and inescapably that

Therefore God exists.

Some people think that evil in the world provides "overwhelming evidence" against the existence of God.

I think the exact opposite is true. Real evil in the world actually serves to prove the existence of God, since without God to ground objective moral values, good and evil as such would not exist.

Sorry, kk, but you cannot say objective morality does not exist, if you can't prove God doesn't exist.

Objective morality does not exist, only if God doesn't exist.

Objective moral values, I mean values which are valid and binding whether people believe in them or not and so it is independent of human opinion.

Actions like rape, cruelty, racial hatred, and child abuse aren't just socially unacceptable behavior. They are truly evil.

The man who says it is morally acceptable to murder innocent children is just as mistaken as the man who says 2+2=5, and the man who says it is morally acceptable to rape little children.

Some things, at least, are truly evil.

But, if that is the case, then it follows logically and inescapably that

Therefore God exists.

Some people think that evil in the world provides "overwhelming evidence" against the existence of God.

I think the exact opposite is true. Real evil in the world actually serves to prove the existence of God, since without God to ground objective moral values, good and evil as such would not exist.

Ooops sorry I forgot my mic...lol