My question is if tax dollars are supposed to pay for our Policeman and Fireman as a public service then why would an area be allowed or want to charge a service fee on top of the taxes paid for this to each resident when it is already supposed to be funded by the taxpayers.
And to boot the service fee was only charged to residents outside the city, but not those inside the city. If the Fire Department covers that area, which obviously it does, then his tax dollars should of covered this. If not, what is his and his neighbors tax dollars paying for in that community.
The bottom line here is really an ethics question. Do you do the right thing or the correct thing. The right thing is to put out the fire. The correct thing is to uphold the service fee and not offer services. The $75 is not insurance, but a service fee. Much different then trying to obtain insurance after an incident has already happened.
The other issue here no one is talking about is the man stated to the firefighters when they were on the premises that he would pay whatever he needed for them to put the fire out. How does a human being not respond to that while the firefighters sit there with a hose in hand making sure the flames from his house don't catch the tree on fire.....Fucking brutal...
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My question is if tax dollars are supposed to pay for our Policeman and Fireman as a public service then why would an area be allowed or want to charge a service fee on top of the taxes paid for this to each resident when it is already supposed to be funded by the taxpayers.
And to boot the service fee was only charged to residents outside the city, but not those inside the city. If the Fire Department covers that area, which obviously it does, then his tax dollars should of covered this. If not, what is his and his neighbors tax dollars paying for in that community.
The bottom line here is really an ethics question. Do you do the right thing or the correct thing. The right thing is to put out the fire. The correct thing is to uphold the service fee and not offer services. The $75 is not insurance, but a service fee. Much different then trying to obtain insurance after an incident has already happened.
The other issue here no one is talking about is the man stated to the firefighters when they were on the premises that he would pay whatever he needed for them to put the fire out. How does a human being not respond to that while the firefighters sit there with a hose in hand making sure the flames from his house don't catch the tree on fire.....Fucking brutal...
Bulletin: Hornbeak fire chief to make statement Posted: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:42 am Hornbeak Fire Chief Bob Reavis plans to make a statement concerning rural fire protection in Obion County at 5 p.m. today at the Obion County Courthouse. 10-6-10
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Bulletin: Hornbeak fire chief to make statement Posted: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:42 am Hornbeak Fire Chief Bob Reavis plans to make a statement concerning rural fire protection in Obion County at 5 p.m. today at the Obion County Courthouse. 10-6-10
the answer to your last paragraph is probably that they were instructed by superiors not to do so. One would imagine this scenario had already been addressed in staff meetings. And as to how a human being could watch such happen?? Just another guess, but prolly something along the lines of " I 'm not losing my job and pension because some dumbass wouldn't pay his $75.00 fee". These are just guesses and i would have been fired for the record, because i couldn't have watched that happen. But this is one of many reasons why i do not, nor could ever, work for the gov't in any capacity.
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the answer to your last paragraph is probably that they were instructed by superiors not to do so. One would imagine this scenario had already been addressed in staff meetings. And as to how a human being could watch such happen?? Just another guess, but prolly something along the lines of " I 'm not losing my job and pension because some dumbass wouldn't pay his $75.00 fee". These are just guesses and i would have been fired for the record, because i couldn't have watched that happen. But this is one of many reasons why i do not, nor could ever, work for the gov't in any capacity.
My question is if tax dollars are supposed to pay for our Policeman and Fireman as a public service then why would an area be allowed or want to charge a service fee on top of the taxes paid for this to each resident when it is already supposed to be funded by the taxpayers.
And to boot the service fee was only charged to residents outside the city, but not those inside the city. If the Fire Department covers that area, which obviously it does, then his tax dollars should of covered this. If not, what is his and his neighbors tax dollars paying for in that community.
The bottom line here is really an ethics question. Do you do the right thing or the correct thing. The right thing is to put out the fire. The correct thing is to uphold the service fee and not offer services. The $75 is not insurance, but a service fee. Much different then trying to obtain insurance after an incident has already happened.
The other issue here no one is talking about is the man stated to the firefighters when they were on the premises that he would pay whatever he needed for them to put the fire out. How does a human being not respond to that while the firefighters sit there with a hose in hand making sure the flames from his house don't catch the tree on fire.....Fucking brutal...
Who is going to pay the $75 fee if they know the fire department will put out your fire whether you pay or not?
I mean would you pay for home insurance if you knew your home would be covered whether you paid or not?
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Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:
My question is if tax dollars are supposed to pay for our Policeman and Fireman as a public service then why would an area be allowed or want to charge a service fee on top of the taxes paid for this to each resident when it is already supposed to be funded by the taxpayers.
And to boot the service fee was only charged to residents outside the city, but not those inside the city. If the Fire Department covers that area, which obviously it does, then his tax dollars should of covered this. If not, what is his and his neighbors tax dollars paying for in that community.
The bottom line here is really an ethics question. Do you do the right thing or the correct thing. The right thing is to put out the fire. The correct thing is to uphold the service fee and not offer services. The $75 is not insurance, but a service fee. Much different then trying to obtain insurance after an incident has already happened.
The other issue here no one is talking about is the man stated to the firefighters when they were on the premises that he would pay whatever he needed for them to put the fire out. How does a human being not respond to that while the firefighters sit there with a hose in hand making sure the flames from his house don't catch the tree on fire.....Fucking brutal...
Who is going to pay the $75 fee if they know the fire department will put out your fire whether you pay or not?
I mean would you pay for home insurance if you knew your home would be covered whether you paid or not?
$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line, you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
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$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line, you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught
to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line,
you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court
or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written
that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes
a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but
rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the
service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those
firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service
fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that
the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on
the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they
do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was
trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him
because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to
death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
I agree. The guy was stupid to not pay and it bit him in the ass. But we need to get off our high horse and say that the guy got what he deserved. No one deserves to have their house burnt down while ABLE FIREFIGHTERS SIT IN THE YARD AND WATCH. It isnot like they were miles away or otherwise occupied. They were sitting there as spectators as a families house goes down in flames. They absolutely should of put out the fire and then dealt with the man after the fact. It is their responsibility.
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$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught
to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line,
you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court
or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written
that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes
a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but
rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the
service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those
firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service
fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that
the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on
the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they
do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was
trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him
because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to
death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
I agree. The guy was stupid to not pay and it bit him in the ass. But we need to get off our high horse and say that the guy got what he deserved. No one deserves to have their house burnt down while ABLE FIREFIGHTERS SIT IN THE YARD AND WATCH. It isnot like they were miles away or otherwise occupied. They were sitting there as spectators as a families house goes down in flames. They absolutely should of put out the fire and then dealt with the man after the fact. It is their responsibility.
but then look at straight shooter's point in post 55
if everyone gets service because its the right thing to do, then no one will pay the opt in. the opt in has been offered for 20 years in this town because there was an incident in 88 or 89 where someone outside town limits had no fire dept coverage
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mattbrot - agreed with both points
but then look at straight shooter's point in post 55
if everyone gets service because its the right thing to do, then no one will pay the opt in. the opt in has been offered for 20 years in this town because there was an incident in 88 or 89 where someone outside town limits had no fire dept coverage
this boils down to a simple insurance policy in this town,. this had been offered by this town since 1990 when an incident like this happened. this man CHOSE not to pay the insurance policy and he wasnt covered
Sure it is a simple insurance policy. If you don't have insurance, you don't normally expect to get reimbursed by anyone. But even the most grizzled and jaded amongst us would expect to have a fire put out if a fire truck is available. Glad you agree
so why the hell would i or anyone else pay the $75 up front fee if i was going to get service regardless!??!?!
im not grizzled and jaded. do we expect something for "free" out of human decency? or do we need to buy insurance just in case?
let me know if my local fire dept will work on human decency. if so, i will stop paying my property taxes
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Quote Originally Posted by Dude_Abides:
this boils down to a simple insurance policy in this town,. this had been offered by this town since 1990 when an incident like this happened. this man CHOSE not to pay the insurance policy and he wasnt covered
Sure it is a simple insurance policy. If you don't have insurance, you don't normally expect to get reimbursed by anyone. But even the most grizzled and jaded amongst us would expect to have a fire put out if a fire truck is available. Glad you agree
so why the hell would i or anyone else pay the $75 up front fee if i was going to get service regardless!??!?!
im not grizzled and jaded. do we expect something for "free" out of human decency? or do we need to buy insurance just in case?
let me know if my local fire dept will work on human decency. if so, i will stop paying my property taxes
I understand this but there has to be a better way than to have a group of firemen sit in a yard and watch a house go in flames just to essentially prove a point. There are plenty of smart people making these laws -- they have to be able to come up with a better solution than this.
Human decency and common sense can not just be thrown out the window to prove a point. It makes me mad to even think about thought process that is involved.
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I understand this but there has to be a better way than to have a group of firemen sit in a yard and watch a house go in flames just to essentially prove a point. There are plenty of smart people making these laws -- they have to be able to come up with a better solution than this.
Human decency and common sense can not just be thrown out the window to prove a point. It makes me mad to even think about thought process that is involved.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
Because their neighbor did pay the service fee.
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Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line, you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
I agree. The guy was stupid to not pay and it bit him in the ass. But we need to get off our high horse and say that the guy got what he deserved. No one deserves to have their house burnt down while ABLE FIREFIGHTERS SIT IN THE YARD AND WATCH. It isnot like they were miles away or otherwise occupied. They were sitting there as spectators as a families house goes down in flames. They absolutely should of put out the fire and then dealt with the man after the fact. It is their responsibility.
If they would have paid the service fee it would have been. But they chose not to pay it, so its not.
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
$75 is so nominal to the issue at hand here. As people we are taught to help others in need. Hospitals are required to do it. Bottom line, you handle the issue and deal with the matter after the fact in court or bill him. Would assume that a smart individual would have written that into the service fee should you decide not to pay. Then it becomes a choice of $75 or thousands of dollars. Since it is not insurance, but rather a service fee, does it carry over from year to year if the service is not used. Let's face it, $75 was not going to pay for those firefighters to put out that fire so what is the point of the service fee.
I'm not condoning him not paying the fee, but the reality is that the fire dept was dispatched and just sat there putting out the fire on the trees, which also happened to be on his property, so why did they do that.
I guess the real question I have here as well is if the man was trapped inside the house would they have gone in and rescued him because he didn't pay a service fee or would they have let him burn to death. I mean where do you draw the line on this.
I agree. The guy was stupid to not pay and it bit him in the ass. But we need to get off our high horse and say that the guy got what he deserved. No one deserves to have their house burnt down while ABLE FIREFIGHTERS SIT IN THE YARD AND WATCH. It isnot like they were miles away or otherwise occupied. They were sitting there as spectators as a families house goes down in flames. They absolutely should of put out the fire and then dealt with the man after the fact. It is their responsibility.
If they would have paid the service fee it would have been. But they chose not to pay it, so its not.
It is their responsibility as firemen to put out fires, it is the responsibility of physicians / nurses to provide the best care they can to patients, it is the responsibility of military personnel to protect their country etc... What I mean about responsibility is that is what they signed up for the job to do.
To sit there and watch a house go up in flames (not to mention with animals in it) it insane. All just to prove a point . Beat the shit out of the guy after, fine him tens of thousands of dollars, take all of his possessions. Do what ever you want just do it after you address the fire.
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It is their responsibility as firemen to put out fires, it is the responsibility of physicians / nurses to provide the best care they can to patients, it is the responsibility of military personnel to protect their country etc... What I mean about responsibility is that is what they signed up for the job to do.
To sit there and watch a house go up in flames (not to mention with animals in it) it insane. All just to prove a point . Beat the shit out of the guy after, fine him tens of thousands of dollars, take all of his possessions. Do what ever you want just do it after you address the fire.
I understand this but there has to be a better way than to have a group of firemen sit in a yard and watch a house go in flames just to essentially prove a point. There are plenty of smart people making these laws -- they have to be able to come up with a better solution than this.
Human decency and common sense can not just be thrown out the window to prove a point. It makes me mad to even think about thought process that is involved.
I think it would have been a good idea if they would offer to put out the fire for the exact amount it cost them to do it (which probably would have been 4 figures). But other than that, I don’t have a problem with what happened.
A town’s fire department offered to provide a service for people OUTSIDE THE TOWN if they paid a fee. People that chose to pay the fee get the service. People that chose not to pay the fee do not get the service. That makes perfect sense to me.
I suppose it would be better if they provided free service to everyone within 50 miles of the town and just laid off some firefighters or reduced their pay and benefits to pay for it.
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
I understand this but there has to be a better way than to have a group of firemen sit in a yard and watch a house go in flames just to essentially prove a point. There are plenty of smart people making these laws -- they have to be able to come up with a better solution than this.
Human decency and common sense can not just be thrown out the window to prove a point. It makes me mad to even think about thought process that is involved.
I think it would have been a good idea if they would offer to put out the fire for the exact amount it cost them to do it (which probably would have been 4 figures). But other than that, I don’t have a problem with what happened.
A town’s fire department offered to provide a service for people OUTSIDE THE TOWN if they paid a fee. People that chose to pay the fee get the service. People that chose not to pay the fee do not get the service. That makes perfect sense to me.
I suppose it would be better if they provided free service to everyone within 50 miles of the town and just laid off some firefighters or reduced their pay and benefits to pay for it.
It is their responsibility as firemen to put out fires, it is the responsibility of physicians / nurses to provide the best care they can to patients, it is the responsibility of military personnel to protect their country etc... What I mean about responsibility is that is what they signed up for the job to do.
To sit there and watch a house go up in flames (not to mention with animals in it) it insane. All just to prove a point . Beat the shit out of the guy after, fine him tens of thousands of dollars, take all of his possessions. Do what ever you want just do it after you address the fire.
You believe it’s the responsibly of a town’s fire department to put out all fires in areas OUTSIDE THE TOWN for free?
I suppose you think they should cut the firefighters pay and benefits to pay for this. Or perhaps tax the townspeople more.
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Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
It is their responsibility as firemen to put out fires, it is the responsibility of physicians / nurses to provide the best care they can to patients, it is the responsibility of military personnel to protect their country etc... What I mean about responsibility is that is what they signed up for the job to do.
To sit there and watch a house go up in flames (not to mention with animals in it) it insane. All just to prove a point . Beat the shit out of the guy after, fine him tens of thousands of dollars, take all of his possessions. Do what ever you want just do it after you address the fire.
You believe it’s the responsibly of a town’s fire department to put out all fires in areas OUTSIDE THE TOWN for free?
I suppose you think they should cut the firefighters pay and benefits to pay for this. Or perhaps tax the townspeople more.
I suppose it would be better if they
provided free service to everyone within 50 miles of the town and just
laid off some firefighters or reduced their pay and benefits to pay for
it.
Of course not. But that does not change the fact that they were on site watching the house go down in flames.It is not like someone called from X miles away and saidto get over here and put out the fire. Once they were on site (from what I understand to monitor the neighbors property) they should of been firemen and not spectators.
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I suppose it would be better if they
provided free service to everyone within 50 miles of the town and just
laid off some firefighters or reduced their pay and benefits to pay for
it.
Of course not. But that does not change the fact that they were on site watching the house go down in flames.It is not like someone called from X miles away and saidto get over here and put out the fire. Once they were on site (from what I understand to monitor the neighbors property) they should of been firemen and not spectators.
how much does anyone want to bet the reason why the firefighters didnt put out the fire is bc of their UNION contract????
and i love how somehow this is the tea parties fault, talk about grasping at straws. kieth olberman, you are the worst person in the world, no wonder your ratings have plummeted from some viewers
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how much does anyone want to bet the reason why the firefighters didnt put out the fire is bc of their UNION contract????
and i love how somehow this is the tea parties fault, talk about grasping at straws. kieth olberman, you are the worst person in the world, no wonder your ratings have plummeted from some viewers
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