Who else is licking their chops for when Bama beats Auburn to make a POY?

Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:



Both teams will be coming off a bye week when they meet as Georgia St is a joke which is very smart on Saban's part, a 2ND bye week this year before Auburn...

Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

Im giggling inside

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Nobody can deny that Georgia St. is a joke, and that playing them this Thursday will help mitgate some of Auburn's bye-week advantage, but the bottom line is that 6 conference foes will have had 2 weeks to prepare for Bama.  No other team in the SEC, or the nation for that matter, faces more than one such opponent.  Most don't face any.

I don't know of a single person in the preseason who thought Bama could survive their schedule before the season started.  I said they would lose one for sure, and maybe two, and pointed to USC and LSU as the two toughest tests on their schedule.  In hindsight I should have included Auburn on that list, but I didn't.

The bottom line is that no team in the country could have survived Alabama's schedule, incuding Alabama.  It is utterly foolish for anyone to argue any other team in college football had a tougher schedule.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:



You make a lot of solid points. College football has so many things that are wrong about it and letting a team be put in this situation is one of them. The problem with college football is that their is no set of rules in place to keep things in a form that is fair fair or let teams know what to expect to face, not close. This just happens to be one of many, many things that make college football what it currently is and always has been, a sport with very little rhyme or reason to fairness that virtually every other sport in the world including most every other college sport has.

You never know what you are up against as a team year to year in college football. Alabama facing 6 straight teams off bye weeks is just another footnote in the long line of college football's obvious willingness and happiness to have no clear cut way of doing things, most everything...It is insanity from national championships to bye weeks to scheduling teams to give your self an unfair advantage at the right time and all points in between. I love to watch college football more then any sports in the world but cannot help but to be amazed at it;s lack of consistency in virtually everything.

Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

Seems to me the fact that Cam Newton plays is probably better for Alabama. This is essentially the same defense that dismantled Florida's Heisman Jesus-type pretty boy, and also Texas' badboy Colt McCoy, who are both playing on Sundays. Cam is in for a few picks and lots of sacks. It will be a painful day for Auburn fans, but that is why we play the game, to have pain on one side, and victory on the other. Those of you who say "If Cam plays then I lean Auburn" are priming themselves to lose. You will feel every sack and INT and fumble and overthrown receivers because y'all are affectionately attached to Cam's nut sack.

Quote Originally Posted by bosalt:

Jimmy,

Please read the links that you posted.  The story out of Atlanta was from a secret source and based on conversations from some time in the past (there was no date saying when the source allegedly was told these things) .  Neither the NCAA, Auburn, the SEC office, or Cecil Newton have said what was talked about in the NCAA interview. So unless you know someone that was in the room you have no idea what Cecil told the NCAA.  

Also the report from Atlanta said he had conversations about money with MSU. That does not mean Cecil asked for money.  It is a vague statement.  It could be that one of the recruiters (which was confirmed not to be coaches btw) brought up the money.  

Since Cecil never brought up money to Florida, Tennesse, Arizona or Auburn it is not hard to figure out what these non coach-recruiters from MSU were doing meeting with Cecil and MSU booster Kenny Rogers.  They were there to make an offer. It also explains why MSU did not do a full report.  They didn't want to talk about their non sanctioned recruiters talking to Cecil.  MSU, the shaddy Mr. Rogers and his two contact/recruiters Mr. Bell and Mr. Bond are going to get MSU in some trouble. 

There are still no accusations about Auburn.   

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I have already strayed too far from the posted topic which is the Iron Bowl.  I know you have read my other posts on this subject in other threads so I'll try to be brief.

The NCAA does not release details of their investigation to anyone including the media, so you will never get a direct quote form the NCAA on what was said.  What the NCAA will do, and did do on Friday, is they will issue a warning to the institution when a player's eligibilty is in question.  They do this so the instituion can take preventative measures to avoid a potential problem.  Auburn essentally dismissed the NCAA warning on Newton when they played him.

Now when Newton is ultimately ruled ineligible by the NCAA (and it is a slam dunk that at the very least that'll happen), the NCAA can also come back on Auburn for completely ignoring their warning.  Not a smart move on Auburn's part.

 

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

Nobody can deny that Georgia St. is a joke, and that playing them this Thursday will help mitgate some of Auburn's bye-week advantage, but the bottom line is that 6 conference foes will have had 2 weeks to prepare for Bama.  No other team in the SEC, or the nation for that matter, faces more than one such opponent.  Most don't face any.

I don't know of a single person in the preseason who thought Bama could survive their schedule before the season started.  I said they would lose one for sure, and maybe two, and pointed to USC and LSU as the two toughest tests on their schedule.  In hindsight I should have included Auburn on that list, but I didn't.

The bottom line is that no team in the country could have survived Alabama's schedule, incuding Alabama.  It is utterly foolish for anyone to argue any other team in college football had a tougher schedule.

 

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I have already strayed too far from the posted topic which is the Iron Bowl.  I know you have read my other posts on this subject in other threads so I'll try to be brief.

The NCAA does not release details of their investigation to anyone including the media, so you will never get a direct quote form the NCAA on what was said.  What the NCAA will do, and did do on Friday, is they will issue a warning to the institution when a player's eligibilty is in question.  They do this so the instituion can take preventative measures to avoid a potential problem.  Auburn essentally dismissed the NCAA warning on Newton when they played him.

Now when Newton is ultimately ruled ineligible by the NCAA (and it is a slam dunk that at the very least that'll happen), the NCAA can also come back on Auburn for completely ignoring their warning.  Not a smart move on Auburn's part.

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

It was posted on almost every Auburn website I saw on Friday.  Here are a couple.

https://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1152062

https://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Fast-moving-events-5561

If what the Auburn websites posted last Friday is true (and there is no reason to belive it is not) then Newton is not eligible.  The difference between playing Newton in weeks 1-10 is that Auburn had some plausible deniabilty.  They could say "We didn't know."  But they lost that angle last Thursday when it became absoulutely 100% clear that Newton is not eligible to play college football.  There is nothing left to speculate: he is ineligible, and Auburn played him in week 11 knowing that he was ineligible.  The question now will be will they play him in week 12?

 

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

a) It already has been proven.  It was proven last Thursday when Cecil Newton admitted to solicitating money from Mississippi State in exchange for his son's signature on a LOI.  That admission corroborated the testimony of 6 other witnesses.  Both the SEC and the NCAA made Auburn aware of this on Friday.

b) if Newton sits or plays is not Chizik's decision.  Decisions on eligibility of a player are not made by the head coach at Auburn, or any other school for that matter.  Other people are paid to make those kind of decisions.

The NCAA will kill Auburn's recruiting for them when they and the FBI track down the money trail.

 

Quote Originally Posted by oakster:

In post #47, Jimmy provided us with 2 links. I read the second link and was dumbfounded by the comments below the article. Auburn fans actually believe that Miss St is facing sanctions/probation. IF it can be proven that the Newtons received benefits from anyone associated with Auburn... look out! USC's punishment will seem like a slap on the wrist.

Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:

Nothing these guys are bozo's. same idiots that said take georgia, newton is not playing. he played and CRUSHED georgia. He will play and crush bama and their toughest schedule in world history. cant wait till he breaks out the heisman pose on a Td when they are up 30.

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I respect your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree with it.

Any questions that existed about Cam's eligibility prior to Cecil's Thursday interview with the NCAA, completely evaporated afterwards.  What Cecil told NCAA investors corroborates the accounts of no less that 6 others withnesses all of who said Cecil and Rogers were trying to sell Cam's signature.  If the investigation went no farther than that, that would be more than enough for the NCAA to vacate all of Auburn's wins for the season.

The bottom line is that Auburn knowingly played a player on Saturday when there was absolutely no question he was not elligible.  That will not be a factor as far as vacting wins is concerned because that is pretty much a slam dunk at this point, but it will be a huge factor when Auburn's final punishment is rendered.

 

Quote Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:



Jimmy, you seem like a good guy and by far the only rational alabama fan that posts on this board, but I have to seriously question what you claim to know.

You stated emphatically late last week that you had inside sources at Auburn, at ESPN and other places, and that 100% Cam was sitting out the uga game and done for the year.

Here is the bottom line.  I don't know, you don't know, and none of the media knows jack about this situation.

The only thing I have heard Auburn beat writers confirm is that the NCAA met with the entire Newton family late last week.

You have got to be kidding me if you think Auburn, or any other school for that matter, would play a player they knew to be ineligible.

To take that a notch further, let's say some schools do flaunt the eligibility rule.  Now please tell me what school would disregard the NCAA and play a supposed ineligible player with the giant spotlight being flashed on them like Auburn has had for the past 2 weeks.

This is all about common sense.  There is NO WAY the Auburn compliance department, AD, school president, or coaching staff would risk their jobs, reputations, and the football program and playing an ineligible player in such a high profile media situation.

The supposed logic I've read on this board of people saying, well Auburn didn't know during the first 10 games, but they did before uga and just said what the heck doesn't matter now are just insane.  No university would publicly tell the NCAA to f-off in a high profile media situation.

You guys are just disregarding all semblance of common sense because people either hate auburn, hate newton, want desperately to see newton ruled out, or just interested in seeing auburn knocked off the perch.

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

What you are saying is essentially correct, but that does not necessarily mean Cam will play.

The NCAA does not suspend or clear players until their investigation is concluded, and this one is a long way from being concluded.  But they do advise schools when the elligibility of one of their players is in question.  It is up to the institution how they want to handle a player's questionable elligibility.

In this particular case Cecil Newton admitted to the NCAA on Thursday that he did solicit money from Mississippi State in exchange for his son's signature on a Letter of Intent.  That pretty much confirms what 6 other people have said.  The totality of that evience for all practical purposes rendered Cam Newton an inelligible player on Thursday.

Subsequent to Cecil's interview, both the SEC and the NCAA warned Auburn about the strong likelihood Cam was an inelligible player.  That is why there was speculation of whether Newton would play right up to the kickoff in the Georgia game.  Many people, including myself, did not believe Auburn was stupid enough to mortgage the future of their entire football  program by playing a player they pretty much knew was inelligible, but that's exactly what they did.  But just because they did it against Georgia, now that they've clinched the SEC West, doesn't necessarily mean they will stick another finger in the NCAA's other eye, particularly when more damning information is suppose to be coming to light in the next 72 hours or so.

The bottom line is that it is an extremely fluid situation.  It is by no means a slam dunk that he will play in my humble opinion.

 

 

All the sources pretty much agreed that based on the obvious nature of Newton's inelligibility that there was no way Auburn would mortgage the future of their football program by continuing to play him.  They did not believe that Auburn would give the NCAA, the SEC and college football in general the proverbial middle finger by playing him anyhow, but that's exactly what they did.  I, like many others, believe that\ that move will most likely put an end to Auburn football as we know it for the next 10 years.

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I agree.  That's why I'm sure every single person on this board would agree that a playoff system is desperately neede in college football.

As far as the inequitites in Bama's schedule is concerned, that is the fault of Mike Slive and the SEC.  They keep saying they are going to fix it, but right now it looks like Bama will face a similar type of schedule next season.

 

Quote Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:



Jimmy, you seem like a good guy and by far the only rational alabama fan that posts on this board, but I have to seriously question what you claim to know.

You stated emphatically late last week that you had inside sources at Auburn, at ESPN and other places, and that 100% Cam was sitting out the uga game and done for the year.

Here is the bottom line.  I don't know, you don't know, and none of the media knows jack about this situation.

The only thing I have heard Auburn beat writers confirm is that the NCAA met with the entire Newton family late last week.

You have got to be kidding me if you think Auburn, or any other school for that matter, would play a player they knew to be ineligible.

To take that a notch further, let's say some schools do flaunt the eligibility rule.  Now please tell me what school would disregard the NCAA and play a supposed ineligible player with the giant spotlight being flashed on them like Auburn has had for the past 2 weeks.

This is all about common sense.  There is NO WAY the Auburn compliance department, AD, school president, or coaching staff would risk their jobs, reputations, and the football program and playing an ineligible player in such a high profile media situation.

The supposed logic I've read on this board of people saying, well Auburn didn't know during the first 10 games, but they did before uga and just said what the heck doesn't matter now are just insane.  No university would publicly tell the NCAA to f-off in a high profile media situation.

You guys are just disregarding all semblance of common sense because people either hate auburn, hate newton, want desperately to see newton ruled out, or just interested in seeing auburn knocked off the perch.

Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

I will answer you post in detail at some point (hopefully later tonight), but before I do, answer a few questions for me.

1.  If it as you say it is, why was Cam Newton's playing status a game-time decision?

2.  What did this decision hinge upon?

3.  Who was the decision maker?

 

Quote Originally Posted by bosalt:

Can you provide me a link to where you read about this warning from the NCAA to Auburn?  No news source appears to know about it. 

But lets say MSU did offer him money or even if someone representing him (his dad) asked for it. That would make him the next Albert Means who took 200k to play for Alabama.  Albert Means was ineligible to play at Alabama but he was eligible to play at Memphis.