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#351
This guy is still trying to hard
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Who else is licking their chops for when Bama beats Auburn to make a POY?
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#353
Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:
This whole thing is coming to a head. It is irrelevant if you believe me or not, but the investigation is shifting and ESPN and all the others will be in damage control soon. As far as what Cecil has said, IT DOES NOT AFFECT CAM so long as he did not know about it and it does not matter if he did unless they can prove it and they cannot. People are in trouble, serious trouble, but non of them are named Cam and the team is not Auburn...Just a matter of time now...
This whole thing is coming to a head. It is irrelevant if you believe me or not, but the investigation is shifting and ESPN and all the others will be in damage control soon. As far as what Cecil has said, IT DOES NOT AFFECT CAM so long as he did not know about it and it does not matter if he did unless they can prove it and they cannot. People are in trouble, serious trouble, but non of them are named Cam and the team is not Auburn...Just a matter of time now...
Let me say that it will most likely be after thanksgiving, but not much...Quoted as well...
I was wrong on others being in trouble right now but there was no way they could prove it Cam did anything and that is all that mattered no matter what others wanted or thought. Now we can listen to the nay sayers say "it's not over yet" still listening and believing the media as they try and cover their ass. I am not sure what is more strange...The assault on Newton or the willingness of so many to be right to the point of betting against Auburn...
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Posted:
#357
Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:
So Bama didn't choke? Really?
So Bama didn't choke? Really?
Calling 3 passing plays then kicking FG's as an OC IS choking with a power running game. Mcelwain and Mcelroy both choked equally, Auburn did not take the game away, their defense is garbage and if you don't think so then just wow... lol
another thoughtless comment. Again, do not group the entire defense when trying to criticize them. our front 7 is as good as anyones in the SEC. our back 4 are as bad as anyones in the SEC. Auburn is 10th in the country in rushing defense. do teams run less because they know they are susceptible in the secondary? Yes. in 2 games vs alabama, they have allowed a less than 100 yards combined on the ground. Saban and the OC were almost at a disadvantage at halftime in a sense because they has such a big lead. they couldnt figure out whether or not to play conservative and try to establish a run against a defense that they KNOW can shut down a running game OR ride mcclroys hot streak from the career first half and keep him throwing, further exposing Auburns weakness. well, almost anyone with an IQ would choose the latter, and do what they know works. Auburn showed absolutely no signs of stopping Alabamas pass game, so why go away from it? on top of this, you know Auburn has shown the ability to erase huge deficits very quickly with big plays and quick drives. just another reason to keep up the air attack.
unfortunately, they were never expecting a secondary as bad as everyone claims to make adjustments and be effective in shutting down bow tie julio and 2 lifetime career loss mcclroy, BUT they did just that. Alabama tried to sustain drives with balance. in the second half, Alabama ran 12 times and passed 14. most of their passes were underneath. the longest play by Alabama was a 15 yard catch by julio midway thru the 3rd. their next biggest gain? 8 yards.
Alabama did not have a good second half. But they didnt make huge mistakes. they didnt turn the ball over once in the 2nd half. they just couldnt move the ball on a defense that adjusted. Saban did no adjusting at halftime. the "luck" if you will was about even i would say. The refs had 2 bad calls against Auburn in the first half, leading to a 10 point swing, but Auburn did get lucky that richardson dropped that TD pass, and Ingrams fumble stayed in bounds and rolled thru the endzone...
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#358
Quote Originally Posted by -SofaKingCool-:
another thoughtless comment. Again, do not group the entire defense when trying to criticize them. our front 7 is as good as anyones in the SEC. our back 4 are as bad as anyones in the SEC. Auburn is 10th in the country in rushing defense. do teams run less because they know they are susceptible in the secondary? Yes. in 2 games vs alabama, they have allowed a less than 100 yards combined on the ground. Saban and the OC were almost at a disadvantage at halftime in a sense because they has such a big lead. they couldnt figure out whether or not to play conservative and try to establish a run against a defense that they KNOW can shut down a running game OR ride mcclroys hot streak from the career first half and keep him throwing, further exposing Auburns weakness. well, almost anyone with an IQ would choose the latter, and do what they know works. Auburn showed absolutely no signs of stopping Alabamas pass game, so why go away from it? on top of this, you know Auburn has shown the ability to erase huge deficits very quickly with big plays and quick drives. just another reason to keep up the air attack.
unfortunately, they were never expecting a secondary as bad as everyone claims to make adjustments and be effective in shutting down bow tie julio and 2 lifetime career loss mcclroy, BUT they did just that. Alabama tried to sustain drives with balance. in the second half, Alabama ran 12 times and passed 14. most of their passes were underneath. the longest play by Alabama was a 15 yard catch by julio midway thru the 3rd. their next biggest gain? 8 yards.
Alabama did not have a good second half. But they didnt make huge mistakes. they didnt turn the ball over once in the 2nd half. they just couldnt move the ball on a defense that adjusted. Saban did no adjusting at halftime. the "luck" if you will was about even i would say. The refs had 2 bad calls against Auburn in the first half, leading to a 10 point swing, but Auburn did get lucky that richardson dropped that TD pass, and Ingrams fumble stayed in bounds and rolled thru the endzone...
Well said...Most people do not look at the overall picture and see all sides and break things down even close to as well as you did here...
The fact is that Alabama, Saban and his team came in well prepared after the off week (Georgia St was an off week where they practiced for Auburn). So much happened in that game you could write a book, but I am dumfounded by the criticism I have seen of Saban (not so much here, but other places) considering that he had his team in a position to win a game that they were not close to the best team. I realize they had a big lead and lost it late but Auburn has a special team this year.
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#359
Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:
Well said...Most people do not look at the overall picture and see all sides and break things down even close to as well as you did here...
The fact is that Alabama, Saban and his team came in well prepared after the off week (Georgia St was an off week where they practiced for Auburn). So much happened in that game you could write a book, but I am dumfounded by the criticism I have seen of Saban (not so much here, but other places) considering that he had his team in a position to win a game that they were not close to the best team. I realize they had a big lead and lost it late but Auburn has a special team this year.
Bama played AU well because they have much more talent than Auburn. Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent. Recruiting is part of being a college coach though so got to give him credit for that. Saban is now 4-5 vs Auburn overall and 2-2 at Alabama. Auburn is now 7-1 in Bryant-Deny stadium.
Well said...Most people do not look at the overall picture and see all sides and break things down even close to as well as you did here...
The fact is that Alabama, Saban and his team came in well prepared after the off week (Georgia St was an off week where they practiced for Auburn). So much happened in that game you could write a book, but I am dumfounded by the criticism I have seen of Saban (not so much here, but other places) considering that he had his team in a position to win a game that they were not close to the best team. I realize they had a big lead and lost it late but Auburn has a special team this year.
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#360
Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:
Well said...Most people do not look at the overall picture and see all sides and break things down even close to as well as you did here...
The fact is that Alabama, Saban and his team came in well prepared after the off week (Georgia St was an off week where they practiced for Auburn). So much happened in that game you could write a book, but I am dumfounded by the criticism I have seen of Saban (not so much here, but other places) considering that he had his team in a position to win a game that they were not close to the best team. I realize they had a big lead and lost it late but Auburn has a special team this year.
Well said...Most people do not look at the overall picture and see all sides and break things down even close to as well as you did here...
The fact is that Alabama, Saban and his team came in well prepared after the off week (Georgia St was an off week where they practiced for Auburn). So much happened in that game you could write a book, but I am dumfounded by the criticism I have seen of Saban (not so much here, but other places) considering that he had his team in a position to win a game that they were not close to the best team. I realize they had a big lead and lost it late but Auburn has a special team this year.
I mean you stated the obvious, I know i mostly mess with people on here because the posters here are 70% under 18 and retarded but I know football.. Its obvious this happened but Bama lost because of their inept QB and OC, this was like watching the Tennessee game last year where they were lucky to squeak the win because everytime they got in the redzone they thought it would be smart to throw the ball 3 times from inside the 10 and kick FG's to let a team hang around. The difference this year? Mcelwain doesn't have an elite NFL studded defense behind him to bail out his laughable inept play calling. Plain and simple, Mcelwain + Mcelroy = not good enough. The LSU game and the Auburn game exposed both of them for what I have said they are for two years, like when I got laughed at for saying Bama would have 2-3 losses this year even AFTER they beat Florida the way they did.
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#361
Quote Originally Posted by bosalt:
Bama played AU well because they have much more talent than Auburn. Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent. Recruiting is part of being a college coach though so got to give him credit for that. Saban is now 4-5 vs Auburn overall and 2-2 at Alabama. Auburn is now 7-1 in Bryant-Deny stadium.
Bama played AU well because they have much more talent than Auburn. Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent. Recruiting is part of being a college coach though so got to give him credit for that. Saban is now 4-5 vs Auburn overall and 2-2 at Alabama. Auburn is now 7-1 in Bryant-Deny stadium.
What you said here is plain "black and white" response that is not accurate as it was two seasons ago regarding talent as Auburn has steadily gained ground talent wise with equal recruiting classes and never was regarding Saban and his staff on the field coaching.
Auburn closed the gap tremendously the past two years in recruiting and talent. Saban is a very good game day coach and to say other wise is mis-informed in my opinion. Auburn has a better overall coaching staff on the field, but to say "Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent." is not true...
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#362
Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:
I mean you stated the obvious, I know i mostly mess with people on here because the posters here are 70% under 18 and retarded but I know football.. Its obvious this happened but Bama lost because of their inept QB and OC, this was like watching the Tennessee game last year where they were lucky to squeak the win because everytime they got in the redzone they thought it would be smart to throw the ball 3 times from inside the 10 and kick FG's to let a team hang around. The difference this year? Mcelwain doesn't have an elite NFL studded defense behind him to bail out his laughable inept play calling. Plain and simple, Mcelwain + Mcelroy = not good enough. The LSU game and the Auburn game exposed both of them for what I have said they are for two years, like when I got laughed at for saying Bama would have 2-3 losses this year even AFTER they beat Florida the way they did.
Again..Well said...I cannot argue with much of any of that. The Bama defense last year was as good as any that ever played college football in my opinion and it was hard to believe the comments early on that these guys would just step in and perform on the same level. They may down the road, they are very talented and did a very good job overall this year with no experience, but they need the experience they got this year to be fair to them.
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#363
Quote Originally Posted by Droxside:
What you said here is plain "black and white" response that is not accurate as it was two seasons ago regarding talent as Auburn has steadily gained ground talent wise with equal recruiting classes and never was regarding Saban and his staff on the field coaching.
Auburn closed the gap tremendously the past two years in recruiting and talent. Saban is a very good game day coach and to say other wise is mis-informed in my opinion. Auburn has a better overall coaching staff on the field, but to say "Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent." is not true...
Auburn had a great recruiting year last season and some true freshman have contributed. However Bama under Saban has lived in the top3 in recruiting for the past 4 years. There is a huge difference between talent in the two programs.
What you said here is plain "black and white" response that is not accurate as it was two seasons ago regarding talent as Auburn has steadily gained ground talent wise with equal recruiting classes and never was regarding Saban and his staff on the field coaching.
Auburn closed the gap tremendously the past two years in recruiting and talent. Saban is a very good game day coach and to say other wise is mis-informed in my opinion. Auburn has a better overall coaching staff on the field, but to say "Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent." is not true...
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#364
Saban had two of the best years in school history. They had Florida by 10 in the 2nd half of the SEC championship before tebow took over. then last year the undefeated natl chamionship team. They lost too much to replace on defense and it showed in the 2nd half of the Auburn game. Saban in no way cost them the game, he had them ready to play and they came out fired up. The skill of Auburn in the course of a 60 minute game was just too much, after they weathered the storm it was auburns game.
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#365
Quote Originally Posted by bosalt:
Auburn had a great recruiting year last season and some true freshman have contributed. However Bama under Saban has lived in the top3 in recruiting for the past 4 years. There is a huge difference between talent in the two programs.
Auburn had a great recruiting year last season and some true freshman have contributed. However Bama under Saban has lived in the top3 in recruiting for the past 4 years. There is a huge difference between talent in the two programs.
dyer was a great recruit for them as well
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#368
Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:
Saban had two of the best years in school history. They had Florida by 10 in the 2nd half of the SEC championship before tebow took over. then last year the undefeated natl chamionship team. They lost too much to replace on defense and it showed in the 2nd half of the Auburn game. Saban in no way cost them the game, he had them ready to play and they came out fired up. The skill of Auburn in the course of a 60 minute game was just too much, after they weathered the storm it was auburns game.
Saban had two of the best years in school history. They had Florida by 10 in the 2nd half of the SEC championship before tebow took over. then last year the undefeated natl chamionship team. They lost too much to replace on defense and it showed in the 2nd half of the Auburn game. Saban in no way cost them the game, he had them ready to play and they came out fired up. The skill of Auburn in the course of a 60 minute game was just too much, after they weathered the storm it was auburns game.
They were never up by 10 against Florida in that game.
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#370
Quote Originally Posted by bosalt:
Bama played AU well because they have much more talent than Auburn. Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent. Recruiting is part of being a college coach though so got to give him credit for that. Saban is now 4-5 vs Auburn overall and 2-2 at Alabama. Auburn is now 7-1 in Bryant-Deny stadium.
Bama played AU well because they have much more talent than Auburn. Saban has proven to be a mediocre game day coach who beats teams with great talent. Recruiting is part of being a college coach though so got to give him credit for that. Saban is now 4-5 vs Auburn overall and 2-2 at Alabama. Auburn is now 7-1 in Bryant-Deny stadium.
Bama may or may not have more talent, but it is not a huge difference as you say. Also, to say that Saban is a mediocre game day coach is even more off base. Just because he recruits great talent does not mean he wins on talent alone. Going back to the 2009 iron bowl where he was out coached only because Auburn has a great coaching staff. The fact that his team came back in that game the way that they did says volumes about his on the field coaching.
There will never be a coach in the iron bowl that dominates the win loss column again and Auburn/LSU has a great rivalry, thus his personal record. As far as Auburn being 7-1 at Bryant-Denny, it has nothing to do with Saban since he is 1-1 against Auburn in Tuscaloosa...
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#371
Quote Originally Posted by Revis_Island24:
Saban had two of the best years in school history. They had Florida by 10 in the 2nd half of the SEC championship before tebow took over. then last year the undefeated natl chamionship team. They lost too much to replace on defense and it showed in the 2nd half of the Auburn game. Saban in no way cost them the game, he had them ready to play and they came out fired up. The skill of Auburn in the course of a 60 minute game was just too much, after they weathered the storm it was auburns game.
Saban had two of the best years in school history. They had Florida by 10 in the 2nd half of the SEC championship before tebow took over. then last year the undefeated natl chamionship team. They lost too much to replace on defense and it showed in the 2nd half of the Auburn game. Saban in no way cost them the game, he had them ready to play and they came out fired up. The skill of Auburn in the course of a 60 minute game was just too much, after they weathered the storm it was auburns game.
Well said...
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