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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 8:12 PM ET #76

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Did Joe know something was odd? Of course, when he first heard he fired him in 1998 and that was even after a police investigation decided not to press charges on Jerry.

This is why Paterno apologists -- who lash out in anger that the old man was targeted unfairly and that he followed the proper channels and that there was no possible action Joe Paterno could have taken to prevent perhaps the worst, most damaging scandal in the history of American sports -- have much passion and love, but little credibility.

No community likes to challenge its false notions of itself or to acknowledge that, yes, something so horrible occurred in its backyard despite its residents' idealized vision of themselves.

Why was Jerry Sandusky allowed to prey on children for so long when his trial revealed an intense level of suspicion of him over several years by people in sufficient position to stop him.? Why so many supposedly concerned, educated and well-meaning people allowed such a person to exist in their community. Penn State and Joe Paterno should have been protecting their community, not the other way around.

- Howard Bryan ESPN

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:25 PM ET #77

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Sandusky's emeritus status was not granted by the State of Pennsylvania.........it was granted by the Pedo State board of trustees, who are elected by Pedo State alumni, delegates of agriculture societies and the board itself. I wonder what would have happened if Joe had gone before the board, told them what he knew and demanded that the board revoke Sandusky's emeritus status?

Then, the "We are Nation" pressured board vice chairman Keith Masser to apologize for saying that Pedo State officials had knowledge of Sandusky's perverted ways and had worked to hide the situation. These are the same officials who could have banned Sandusky from all Pedo State facilities and activities.

On a brighter note, it's refreshing to know that Sandusky's roomies are having a sing along in his honor. Nothing like a little Pink Floyd...."hey teachers, leave them kids alone!" Somebody throw that prick a rope.

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:26 PM ET #78

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Nice rationalization. It's only speculation that Joe hated Sandusky......fact is that Joe DID NOT fire him....he resigned. And, it does seem a bit odd that, as you say, Joe knew about the 1998 investigation and yet.....with all the power Joe possessed.....the perv was still allowed to use Pedo State's athletic facilities and attend athletic events sponsored by the university. Shit stinks, and you can maintain that Joe was innocent, naive, senile or whatever, but the facts make all that crap hard to swallow. But hey, recruiting is going well and admissions are up, so all is good, right? Some people are shameless.

this is protocol response in here when i use facts to dispute the notion that penn state is not falling on their face in any way, shape, or form as has been suggested. it doesnt take away from the tragic events as i have never suggested it does, it simply slaps those in the face that say penn state will never be the same. perhaps the them personally they wont, but the university is doing better than ever and donations are up since november. the support and togetherness of the community, alumni, students has never been so close. family sticks together in tough times, this is proof and there are many including these commits who want to prove that jerry is not penn state, they are!

if you dont think joe hated jerry that is fine, ask any penn state person with knowledge of the community and they will tell you, straight up, to a man, joe did not like him. it really comes down to him suspecting something was funky with the guy, but again, 2 separate police investigations led to no charges, sadly. joe should have put on his police uniform. whenever he asked the three amigos who face charges (paterno did not, he would have been a witness for the state against jerry), the three amigos (schultz, spanier, curley) told him to "butt out", its handled" when he asked why jerry is around.

i just dont believe joe paterno knew that jerry was the monster he was and knew 100 percent he was doing that to kids. i believe he thought he was a creep, one that was investigated 2 times by police without charges, let him go after the first investiagtion, and let law enforcement deal with him from then on because he was a former employee. to me its like when you find out your neighbor abused his kids, you thought something was amiss with the guy, he had been investigated by police with no charges, and you wished or thought you could have done more after the guy is finally found guilty.

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:27 PM ET #79

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WRONG

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:29 PM ET #80

Quote Originally Posted by -29-:

No community likes to challenge its false notions of itself or to acknowledge that, yes, something so horrible occurred in its backyard despite its residents' idealized vision of themselves.

- Howard Bryan ESPN

This is ESPN article so it loses all credibility, the have been on a mission since day 1 to destroy penn state.

for every one of these articles, i can show you a guy like Coach K in full support of Joe.

Coach K or some dirt bag writing an article to go with the public firestorm for credibility??

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:36 PM ET #81

Wrong? Would you prefer I make up shit and start passing it off as fact?

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 9:54 PM ET #82

indeed you are

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 10:20 PM ET #83

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indeed you are

You mean like this?

"As you are a stated black man, you should know better than anyone."

"Some of you are so sick you wanted to see him free probably just so you could sit behind your computer screen and say PSU nation protects child molesters."

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 10:26 PM ET #84

Or maybe?

"This is ESPN article so it loses all credibility, the have been on a mission since day 1 to destroy penn state."

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 10:29 PM ET #85

Those are opinions, in rebuttals nothing but facts son. Say they are going down, i will show u facts.

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Posted: Jun. 25, 2012 - 10:30 PM ET #86

Quote Originally Posted by soonboomer:

You mean like this?

"As you are a stated black man, you should know better than anyone."

"Some of you are so sick you wanted to see him free probably just so you could sit behind your computer screen and say PSU nation protects child molesters."

those are facts actually

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Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 1:16 PM ET #87

I've been to Pennsylvania. It's a shady place. The people there are very creepy, like in a Stephen King movie. No joke!

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Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 7:04 PM ET #88

it pains me but i agree with wise on this espn had a witch hunt for Paterno to get fired than whne they got what they wanted they didn't care anymore. They ganged up on Paterno. Not saying he didn't deserve to get fired but it was "convinient" they really didn't talk about it anymore once Joe Paterno lost his job

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Posted: Jun. 30, 2012 - 9:31 AM ET #89

thisguyisSTUPID,

here is the paper trail, showing that your hero Paterno did know, and was among a group that decided to sweep it under the rug. Your great hero is a monster as well.

https://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/29/sandusky-e-mails-revealed/?hpt=ac_mid

I told you that you were going to look very stupid.

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Posted: Jun. 30, 2012 - 5:06 PM ET #90

Chump,

How do i look stupid, his involvement is still a matter of how one interprets it at this point.

If he is involved in a way of cover up, i have always said i will be the first one to say to take the statue down and say i was fooled by joe paterno. While I admit it does not look good for him that his name was mentioned by someone else in an email many questions still remain in my head because i can be objective.

Currently, my focus is more on what is going on right now with the program then what has happened. While I will continue to wait for a full report to make my final judgement for Paterno. To me, I need answers, not more questions.

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Posted: Jun. 30, 2012 - 5:09 PM ET #91

Perhaps Curley lied in that original email, although why is anyone's guess. Perhaps Paterno forgot about the meeting (a decade had passed by the time the then 84-year-old testified in front of the grand jury). Or perhaps Paterno was trying to cover his tracks by not mentioning it under oath.

The other possibility is that the meeting did take place and Paterno supported turning Sandusky over to child welfare but Curley, after "giving it more thought," overruled Paterno's position and changed direction.

This is written by a Penn State hater in Dan Wetzel. Even this jackass can be objective and understand we really dont know what this means but whatever you want it to mean yourself.

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Posted: Jun. 30, 2012 - 5:12 PM ET #92

Quote Originally Posted by Chus:

thisguyisSTUPID,

here is the paper trail, showing that your hero Paterno did know, and was among a group that decided to sweep it under the rug. Your great hero is a monster as well.

https://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/29/sandusky-e-mails-revealed/?hpt=ac_mid

I told you that you were going to look very stupid.

But I guess this proves that someone did know in 1998 and fired Sandusky or Sandusky was forced out by Joe or some admins which many on here have disputed with me for months as recently as last week.

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Posted: Jul. 1, 2012 - 4:00 PM ET #93

https://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justice/penn-state-emails/index.html

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Posted: Jul. 1, 2012 - 4:34 PM ET #94

Quote Originally Posted by Chus:

https://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/justice/penn-state-emails/index.html

It doesn't matter how much proof you show, thisguy will spin it all to be positive and argue how PSU will be the powerhouse they once were, like....20 years ago?

The entire PSU staff, including JoeP, knew what was going on. Emails, papertrails, etc...

NCAA will come down hard on PSU at some point, MID.

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Posted: Jul. 1, 2012 - 6:09 PM ET #95

Sports is just sports. As much as we all love sports, success on the field is insignificant when compared to human lives, and the free enjoyment thereof.

At the major college level, sports isn't just sports. It's money. Money is why Penn State covered this up: the money generated by its football program. Protecting that precious revenue source was the motive in this case.

The reason I love college sports much more than pro sports is my antiquated notion that college sports is somehow purer because they are amateur athletes. I'm delusional.

What this horrible saga amply demonstrates is that money made from sports programs is a horrifically pernicious influence on academic institutions. It is especially appalling at a public, taxpayer-funded school.

And all the while the athletes are getting screwed because they share none of the bounty. Crack Baby Basketball League, indeed.

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Posted: Jul. 2, 2012 - 10:29 AM ET #96

Quote Originally Posted by crocnzeeba:

Sports is just sports. As much as we all love sports, success on the field is insignificant when compared to human lives, and the free enjoyment thereof.

The reason I love college sports much more than pro sports is my antiquated notion that college sports is somehow purer because they are amateur athletes. I'm delusional.

And all the while the athletes are getting screwed because they share none of the bounty. Crack Baby Basketball League, indeed.

It wasn't just money from the football program. JoePa and the rest of these scumbags were benefiting from being on the board of the Second Mile. Why do you think the will has been sealed?

This whole story is another example of why hero worship of football coaches needs to stop.

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Posted: Jul. 2, 2012 - 1:37 PM ET #97

This gets worse by the hour.

Always knew there was something wrong with that" PSU "Cult".

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Posted: Jul. 2, 2012 - 3:40 PM ET #98

Joe must have been a conservative.

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Posted: Jul. 3, 2012 - 12:26 AM ET #99

this may not be popular opinion and call me crazy but i dont think the latest solves anything in regards to paterno other than he told curley which at points people doubted from the get go...it seems someone probably leaked this info to create what it has to justify his firing. just reading between the lines. but i have thought all along about the old boys network here and its probably true.

and yes charlie he was a big conservative, must be a remark by u cuz cnn is the one having a field day.

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Posted: Jul. 3, 2012 - 12:28 AM ET #100

Quote Originally Posted by Chus:

It wasn't just money from the football program. JoePa and the rest of these scumbags were benefiting from being on the board of the Second Mile. Why do you think the will has been sealed?

This whole story is another example of why hero worship of football coaches needs to stop.

yup and wise is right and jimmy, tom corbett needs to be investigated for sure.

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