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    PapaShango
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 8:56 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Huge money coming in on Nunes is not surprising. It's people seeing what I'm seeing after a thorough cap.

    Well, I've heard it all now folks: One of the most public UFC fighters, perhaps THE most public UFC fighter of all time, and certainly the biggest female by far, is a public underdog to an 11-4 Brazilian who is the third of three champions in 3 consecutive women's fights....? Yes, the Brazilian chick has the public absolutely clamoring to take her and moreover, Vegas is keeping her odds at +160/+135 well because, they want all that liability on Rousey, who had her teeth knocked into next week last fight and has only been heard from on **** the Ellen  DeGeneres show. Yes, Vegas has a lot to go on there to take on that liability.

    Rousey's only been saying this will be one of her last fights. Yes, she seems so determined. So motivated.

    Are you even taking Rousey Papa? Or do you malign one side because of purported 'value' but refuse to back the side you claim is superior (this happens once every thread, here's another comin' up).

    I'm going to start calling you Ellen Degenerate if you keep this up. 


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Huge money coming in on Nunes is not surprising. It's people seeing what I'm seeing after a thorough cap.

    Well, I've heard it all now folks: One of the most public UFC fighters, perhaps THE most public UFC fighter of all time, and certainly the biggest female by far, is a public underdog to an 11-4 Brazilian who is the third of three champions in 3 consecutive women's fights....? Yes, the Brazilian chick has the public absolutely clamoring to take her and moreover, Vegas is keeping her odds at +160/+135 well because, they want all that liability on Rousey, who had her teeth knocked into next week last fight and has only been heard from on **** the Ellen  DeGeneres show. Yes, Vegas has a lot to go on there to take on that liability.

    Rousey's only been saying this will be one of her last fights. Yes, she seems so determined. So motivated.

    Are you even taking Rousey Papa? Or do you malign one side because of purported 'value' but refuse to back the side you claim is superior (this happens once every thread, here's another comin' up).

    I'm going to start calling you Ellen Degenerate if you keep this up. 


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 8:57 PM ET #77

    I honestly will give it a Diaz "I'm not surprised MFers" if Nunes beats her a$$ in under 3 minutes. Quiets the entire arena. Only scary thing for me is her being overaggressive and getting hip tossed into an armbar. Or of course, the cardio thing but she has made improvements to that the last few fights.
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    I honestly will give it a Diaz "I'm not surprised MFers" if Nunes beats her a$$ in under 3 minutes. Quiets the entire arena. Only scary thing for me is her being overaggressive and getting hip tossed into an armbar. Or of course, the cardio thing but she has made improvements to that the last few fights.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 9:04 PM ET #78

    Rhonda will make her tap . Or break her arm winning the belt !  gl though ! 
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    Rhonda will make her tap . Or break her arm winning the belt !  gl though ! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 9:10 PM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:



    I knew the one thing you would focus on was the instagram picture.  That really was meaningless in my analysis, but yet it was the first thing you went to because you can't really dispute any of the other capping for this fight.  The fact is that the value is horrific for Nunes right now.  All you need to look at is the fact that Rousey opened up as a massive favorite and has been bet all the way down, to which you have came in and got Nunes at the worst possible price.  Please dispute any of that if you can.  I have been on your side for many of your wagers this year, but the ones that I have disputed, you have lost.  You can go back and check your old threads.  I am trying to help you out with this bet.  Nunes is not a good bet and you will be burned next Friday by a public underdog.


    This is very important.

    It is important because it is the biggest mistake gamblers, even good ones make. Even sharps make this mistake.

    They chase lines. They chase odds. They chase the 'best price'. They chase purported 'value'.

    I say 'purported' because the value is not in the price or the number, it is, and I say this unequivocally, IN YOUR CAPPING.

    If your cap is solid, you will not be chasing a half point here or a half point there. In some instances, you won't be chasing several points. A rock solid cap should go beyond a half point or several points. I don't cap my games within a half point. I could see buying off 3.5 to 3 in the NFL since that is the number the majority of the games land on but outside of that, you should not be chasing .5 point or even 1 or 2.

    So Papa's mistake is this: He claims I am getting Nunes at the 'worst possible time'.

    Folks, TIME is irrelevant in betting. Don't be like a drug addict opening up the CFB lines on Sunday nights and quickly swallowing up the 'best lines'. YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANY CAPPING outside of what is in your gut. And what is in your gut is what the public caps with. It can win here and there but not over the long haul. That is why Vegas makes money and has mile high fountains in front of the casinos that you clap for.

    So when I see +135, time irrelevant (I never even looked at the line prior while capping the fight knowing the entire time Nunes had to be a dog of some sort), I see every $100 returning $100 a 35% sweetener.

    Papa sees the previous line of +300 or whatever it opened at (Time magnified) and thinks he is LOSING money.

    This is the biggest mistake gamblers make. You have lost NOTHING until the bet loses. You can only gain. Worse, he'll likely run after a bet he has a worse cap on to replace this bet that has 'lost value'.

    This is not poker where you MUST get your money in with +EV. Poker has exponentially more luck involved in it than sports handicapping. Imagine if you could cap every hand you played for a full week. You'd be one hell of a poker player. Instead poker players make decisions in seconds and therefore are subjected to far more luck.

    And you'll be subjected to this luck when you abandon your caps and chase lines or purported value. Cap the game. Cap it for as long as it takes. Know the line somewhat and cap the game and then come back to the line. Don't let the line movement (and it will move in virtually every game you cap) cloud your capping. Your capping will be weak and your gut instinct will rule the day with a better line or better value as you chase it. The REAL VALUE is in the cap itself. 

    This is a recipe for disaster and the main course is served up from Chef Papa Shango.

    DON'T eat up what that Chef from hell is is serving.

    All of this is counterintuitive to the average gambler because you've been taught different. I'm telling you it is the truth. ONE GAME in my entire record this year got a bad line and I PUSHED with it: and here's the irony, the bad line came with Miami -4 over the Jets and it was because I put the bet in TOO EARLY as it dipped to 3.5 (a winner) after that. Oh the irony.

    Trust what I am saying here. It will make you a better capper. Many here will denigrate this post because they cannot wrap their mind around this, or refuse to, or they simply despise me and that is fine, but I can tell you this way of thinking has made me more of a winner than ever before in my life. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:



    I knew the one thing you would focus on was the instagram picture.  That really was meaningless in my analysis, but yet it was the first thing you went to because you can't really dispute any of the other capping for this fight.  The fact is that the value is horrific for Nunes right now.  All you need to look at is the fact that Rousey opened up as a massive favorite and has been bet all the way down, to which you have came in and got Nunes at the worst possible price.  Please dispute any of that if you can.  I have been on your side for many of your wagers this year, but the ones that I have disputed, you have lost.  You can go back and check your old threads.  I am trying to help you out with this bet.  Nunes is not a good bet and you will be burned next Friday by a public underdog.


    This is very important.

    It is important because it is the biggest mistake gamblers, even good ones make. Even sharps make this mistake.

    They chase lines. They chase odds. They chase the 'best price'. They chase purported 'value'.

    I say 'purported' because the value is not in the price or the number, it is, and I say this unequivocally, IN YOUR CAPPING.

    If your cap is solid, you will not be chasing a half point here or a half point there. In some instances, you won't be chasing several points. A rock solid cap should go beyond a half point or several points. I don't cap my games within a half point. I could see buying off 3.5 to 3 in the NFL since that is the number the majority of the games land on but outside of that, you should not be chasing .5 point or even 1 or 2.

    So Papa's mistake is this: He claims I am getting Nunes at the 'worst possible time'.

    Folks, TIME is irrelevant in betting. Don't be like a drug addict opening up the CFB lines on Sunday nights and quickly swallowing up the 'best lines'. YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANY CAPPING outside of what is in your gut. And what is in your gut is what the public caps with. It can win here and there but not over the long haul. That is why Vegas makes money and has mile high fountains in front of the casinos that you clap for.

    So when I see +135, time irrelevant (I never even looked at the line prior while capping the fight knowing the entire time Nunes had to be a dog of some sort), I see every $100 returning $100 a 35% sweetener.

    Papa sees the previous line of +300 or whatever it opened at (Time magnified) and thinks he is LOSING money.

    This is the biggest mistake gamblers make. You have lost NOTHING until the bet loses. You can only gain. Worse, he'll likely run after a bet he has a worse cap on to replace this bet that has 'lost value'.

    This is not poker where you MUST get your money in with +EV. Poker has exponentially more luck involved in it than sports handicapping. Imagine if you could cap every hand you played for a full week. You'd be one hell of a poker player. Instead poker players make decisions in seconds and therefore are subjected to far more luck.

    And you'll be subjected to this luck when you abandon your caps and chase lines or purported value. Cap the game. Cap it for as long as it takes. Know the line somewhat and cap the game and then come back to the line. Don't let the line movement (and it will move in virtually every game you cap) cloud your capping. Your capping will be weak and your gut instinct will rule the day with a better line or better value as you chase it. The REAL VALUE is in the cap itself. 

    This is a recipe for disaster and the main course is served up from Chef Papa Shango.

    DON'T eat up what that Chef from hell is is serving.

    All of this is counterintuitive to the average gambler because you've been taught different. I'm telling you it is the truth. ONE GAME in my entire record this year got a bad line and I PUSHED with it: and here's the irony, the bad line came with Miami -4 over the Jets and it was because I put the bet in TOO EARLY as it dipped to 3.5 (a winner) after that. Oh the irony.

    Trust what I am saying here. It will make you a better capper. Many here will denigrate this post because they cannot wrap their mind around this, or refuse to, or they simply despise me and that is fine, but I can tell you this way of thinking has made me more of a winner than ever before in my life. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 9:16 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.


    The media is driving a Nunes win. He's still saying it. I've heard it all folks. I've heard it all.

    I watched virtually every single fight of every fighter Papa, except some of the very early ones which are irrelevant (but for Rousey I've seen them all). I don't have to be there live in vegas shoveling popcorn in my mouth with a $15 beer in my hand in a sportbook to know what these two fighters are. And you have more than overestimated Rousey here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.


    The media is driving a Nunes win. He's still saying it. I've heard it all folks. I've heard it all.

    I watched virtually every single fight of every fighter Papa, except some of the very early ones which are irrelevant (but for Rousey I've seen them all). I don't have to be there live in vegas shoveling popcorn in my mouth with a $15 beer in my hand in a sportbook to know what these two fighters are. And you have more than overestimated Rousey here.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 9:22 PM ET #81

    Call me crazy but IMO Nunes has the best ground game then any opponent RR has ever faced. If she can stuff the throws and scramble it's going to get ugly.
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    Call me crazy but IMO Nunes has the best ground game then any opponent RR has ever faced. If she can stuff the throws and scramble it's going to get ugly.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2016 - 9:47 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.

    Papa, you won this debate.
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    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.

    Papa, you won this debate.
    I'm tailing you 
     
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    Papa, you won this debate.
    I'm tailing you 

    My biggest Covers troll is fading me because a contrarian won a debate. What a surprise
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    My biggest Covers troll is fading me because a contrarian won a debate. What a surprise
     
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    His entire cap turns into a dumpster fire after saying the media is influencing a NUNES side! Has he turned on ESPN or FS1 lately?? Yup, all nunes, all day. Lol!





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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.


    You talk about him riding the media but then say Nunes gasses quick? Everyone knows this and media is all over this. She already admitted to this flaw and has made improvements and continues to be her #1 focus.
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    I stated plenty of reasons and I actually watch UFC.  I watch every single card and have for years.  I know this sport pretty damn well.  You are going by stupid media driven bullshitt to handicap this fight.  My guess is that you have only seen Nunes vs Tate.  I'd actually make a large wager that is the only fight you have seen her fight.

    You have not said 1 thing about the styles of the fighters, the fact that Nunes gasses very quickly, and the previous fights of both fighters.

    You have capped this fight very poorly, got terrible value on Nunes, and will be very angry when Rousey subs Nunes in the 1st round.  She is hinting at her retirement to promote this fight.  If she wins, she's not going anywhere.  

    Please actually cap this fight without talking about everything the media is telling everyone.

    And did you read Ramona Shelburn's story on Rousey.  A ton of what the media is saying is just not true.  Before you promote yourself and this wager, you should've act dug up some research and actually capped the fight.


    You talk about him riding the media but then say Nunes gasses quick? Everyone knows this and media is all over this. She already admitted to this flaw and has made improvements and continues to be her #1 focus.
     
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    Sorry didn't mean to hit send. Her cardio has been her main focus since leaving Brazil and making ATT her new camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoFunLeague:

    Call me crazy but IMO Nunes has the best ground game then any opponent RR has ever faced. If she can stuff the throws and scramble it's going to get ugly.
     

    But even more so, how would Rousey even know? Her biggest weakness is that she won her most recent fights against her toughest completion with submissions in under 30/45 seconds before Holm. She hasn't had to deal with any ground game in a win in quite some time. And this is to her detriment. Because Nunes is well aware Rousey will try to get her into a quick submission position. Women's division has evolved greatly in the past year while Rousey's been shelved. It's the biggest hole in Papa's cap.

    Reminds me so much of Tyson. Beat a slew of chumps in the first round. But back off and make him go several rounds? Unprepared. Unfamiliar territory. Ultimately he's the one that fades and loses.
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    Call me crazy but IMO Nunes has the best ground game then any opponent RR has ever faced. If she can stuff the throws and scramble it's going to get ugly.
     

    But even more so, how would Rousey even know? Her biggest weakness is that she won her most recent fights against her toughest completion with submissions in under 30/45 seconds before Holm. She hasn't had to deal with any ground game in a win in quite some time. And this is to her detriment. Because Nunes is well aware Rousey will try to get her into a quick submission position. Women's division has evolved greatly in the past year while Rousey's been shelved. It's the biggest hole in Papa's cap.

    Reminds me so much of Tyson. Beat a slew of chumps in the first round. But back off and make him go several rounds? Unprepared. Unfamiliar territory. Ultimately he's the one that fades and loses.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    His entire cap turns into a dumpster fire after saying the media is influencing a NUNES side! Has he turned on ESPN or FS1 lately?? Yup, all nunes, all day. Lol!






    Every single analyst I have watched or heard from has said exactly what you said in your initial post.  Does Rousey still have the will to compete, will this be her last fight, blah blah blah.

    We'll see.  Best of luck.  There's no need for me to continue this dispute.  We'll see in 9 days if she's back or not.  I believe she has taken more than enough time off to get back to where she was.  She had a setback, all be it a big one, but I think she wants to win this title and prove everyone wrong that is doubting her.  

    I have not seen one fighter or media member pick Rousey to win this fight.  

    The fact is that Rousey has never been less than even -400 is a perfect example of why there is value all over Rousey in this fight.  And you are talking about looking at value when handicapping a fight based on the odds.  I never cap lines, but to not care about the line when you are wagering or consider the line is foolish.  Sometimes when the line is not there, you need to stay away.  

    You are getting a bad line at +135, especially if you think the public money will drive this line back up in Rousey's favor.  Your explanation in that post really does not make any sense, but to each his own.  Good luck and we'll see what happens.  

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    His entire cap turns into a dumpster fire after saying the media is influencing a NUNES side! Has he turned on ESPN or FS1 lately?? Yup, all nunes, all day. Lol!






    Every single analyst I have watched or heard from has said exactly what you said in your initial post.  Does Rousey still have the will to compete, will this be her last fight, blah blah blah.

    We'll see.  Best of luck.  There's no need for me to continue this dispute.  We'll see in 9 days if she's back or not.  I believe she has taken more than enough time off to get back to where she was.  She had a setback, all be it a big one, but I think she wants to win this title and prove everyone wrong that is doubting her.  

    I have not seen one fighter or media member pick Rousey to win this fight.  

    The fact is that Rousey has never been less than even -400 is a perfect example of why there is value all over Rousey in this fight.  And you are talking about looking at value when handicapping a fight based on the odds.  I never cap lines, but to not care about the line when you are wagering or consider the line is foolish.  Sometimes when the line is not there, you need to stay away.  

    You are getting a bad line at +135, especially if you think the public money will drive this line back up in Rousey's favor.  Your explanation in that post really does not make any sense, but to each his own.  Good luck and we'll see what happens.  

     
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    You're using the fact that she took so much time off is a good thing when in fact it's completely opposite. That's a plus for Nunes. Training with Mr. know nothing count dracula is not anywhere the same as fighting Nunes. The break is not a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoFunLeague:

    You're using the fact that she took so much time off is a good thing when in fact it's completely opposite. That's a plus for Nunes. Training with Mr. know nothing count dracula is not anywhere the same as fighting Nunes. The break is not a good thing.

    The break is fine.  She had to recover from her injury and get her mind right.  The break was not that dramatic.  It's only 13 months, not two years.  
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    You're using the fact that she took so much time off is a good thing when in fact it's completely opposite. That's a plus for Nunes. Training with Mr. know nothing count dracula is not anywhere the same as fighting Nunes. The break is not a good thing.

    The break is fine.  She had to recover from her injury and get her mind right.  The break was not that dramatic.  It's only 13 months, not two years.  
     
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    So you think there will be no rust? There will be soooo much pressure on this girl. She was on top of the world then lost and thought about suicide. This is the biggest fight of her life. Nunes and her coach won't let her get comfortable.

    Love this debate BTW. Going to be a crazy fight either way.

    Another factor is just how bad of a coach Edmund is. Look at RR's boy toy Travis. His career is 1 loss away from being over since joining the camp. Edmund absolutely sucks. His advice to Ronda when she was getting blasted was "You're doing great champ, keep it up"? WTF?? I feel like she will not improve anywhere being with him.

    I just think she is outmatched everywhere except obviously armbars. I would usually say Cardio also but again IMO the year layoff evens that up. Training shape vs fighting in front of millions vs a monster like Nunes who isn't goign to let her get settled in dictate the pace is nowhere near the same thing.
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    So you think there will be no rust? There will be soooo much pressure on this girl. She was on top of the world then lost and thought about suicide. This is the biggest fight of her life. Nunes and her coach won't let her get comfortable.

    Love this debate BTW. Going to be a crazy fight either way.

    Another factor is just how bad of a coach Edmund is. Look at RR's boy toy Travis. His career is 1 loss away from being over since joining the camp. Edmund absolutely sucks. His advice to Ronda when she was getting blasted was "You're doing great champ, keep it up"? WTF?? I feel like she will not improve anywhere being with him.

    I just think she is outmatched everywhere except obviously armbars. I would usually say Cardio also but again IMO the year layoff evens that up. Training shape vs fighting in front of millions vs a monster like Nunes who isn't goign to let her get settled in dictate the pace is nowhere near the same thing.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoFunLeague:

    So you think there will be no rust? There will be soooo much pressure on this girl. She was on top of the world then lost and thought about suicide. This is the biggest fight of her life. Nunes and her coach won't let her get comfortable.

    Love this debate BTW. Going to be a crazy fight either way.

    Another factor is just how bad of a coach Edmund is. Look at RR's boy toy Travis. His career is 1 loss away from being over since joining the camp. Edmund absolutely sucks. His advice to Ronda when she was getting blasted was "You're doing great champ, keep it up"? WTF?? I feel like she will not improve anywhere being with him.

    I just think she is outmatched everywhere except obviously armbars. I would usually say Cardio also but again IMO the year layoff evens that up. Training shape vs fighting in front of millions vs a monster like Nunes who isn't goign to let her get settled in dictate the pace is nowhere near the same thing.

    You don't think there's pressure on Nunes as well?  This is her biggest fight in her career by far as well.  I just don't think Nunes is as good as everyone that follows MMA may think she is.  That's why I think Rousey at a relatively short price is such a good wager.  And saying she is overmatched in everything except arm bars is just ridiculous.  Just not true.
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    So you think there will be no rust? There will be soooo much pressure on this girl. She was on top of the world then lost and thought about suicide. This is the biggest fight of her life. Nunes and her coach won't let her get comfortable.

    Love this debate BTW. Going to be a crazy fight either way.

    Another factor is just how bad of a coach Edmund is. Look at RR's boy toy Travis. His career is 1 loss away from being over since joining the camp. Edmund absolutely sucks. His advice to Ronda when she was getting blasted was "You're doing great champ, keep it up"? WTF?? I feel like she will not improve anywhere being with him.

    I just think she is outmatched everywhere except obviously armbars. I would usually say Cardio also but again IMO the year layoff evens that up. Training shape vs fighting in front of millions vs a monster like Nunes who isn't goign to let her get settled in dictate the pace is nowhere near the same thing.

    You don't think there's pressure on Nunes as well?  This is her biggest fight in her career by far as well.  I just don't think Nunes is as good as everyone that follows MMA may think she is.  That's why I think Rousey at a relatively short price is such a good wager.  And saying she is overmatched in everything except arm bars is just ridiculous.  Just not true.
     
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    Where do you feel Ronda is better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    Every single analyst I have watched or heard from has said exactly what you said in your initial post.  Does Rousey still have the will to compete, will this be her last fight, blah blah blah.

    We'll see.  Best of luck.  There's no need for me to continue this dispute.  We'll see in 9 days if she's back or not.  I believe she has taken more than enough time off to get back to where she was.  She had a setback, all be it a big one, but I think she wants to win this title and prove everyone wrong that is doubting her.  

    I have not seen one fighter or media member pick Rousey to win this fight.  

    The fact is that Rousey has never been less than even -400 is a perfect example of why there is value all over Rousey in this fight.  And you are talking about looking at value when handicapping a fight based on the odds.  I never cap lines, but to not care about the line when you are wagering or consider the line is foolish.  Sometimes when the line is not there, you need to stay away.  

    You are getting a bad line at +135, especially if you think the public money will drive this line back up in Rousey's favor.  Your explanation in that post really does not make any sense, but to each his own.  Good luck and we'll see what happens.  


    I said she had no will to fight? Even paraphrasing that is misguided.I don't listen to analysts and I do know someone is clearly clinically depressed, which will affect her every day until the start of the fight and durning it. And like clockwork, you don't understand the post about "value" and moreover are telling me it makes no sense. Which furthers the evidence you can't and will never understand it.

    I don't care if Nunes was +1135. It is the winning side so I capped it and got it at +135. Just like I didn't get Army over Navy at +10 but gladly took them at the "bad value" you purport of +5.5 and they still won outright. You would advise people to come off Army because you 'lost' 4.5 meaningless points based on the advice you are giving here.

    Don't take this guy's advice folks. Don't come off a side because it has less "value". The value is you cap. I can't say it enough.
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    Every single analyst I have watched or heard from has said exactly what you said in your initial post.  Does Rousey still have the will to compete, will this be her last fight, blah blah blah.

    We'll see.  Best of luck.  There's no need for me to continue this dispute.  We'll see in 9 days if she's back or not.  I believe she has taken more than enough time off to get back to where she was.  She had a setback, all be it a big one, but I think she wants to win this title and prove everyone wrong that is doubting her.  

    I have not seen one fighter or media member pick Rousey to win this fight.  

    The fact is that Rousey has never been less than even -400 is a perfect example of why there is value all over Rousey in this fight.  And you are talking about looking at value when handicapping a fight based on the odds.  I never cap lines, but to not care about the line when you are wagering or consider the line is foolish.  Sometimes when the line is not there, you need to stay away.  

    You are getting a bad line at +135, especially if you think the public money will drive this line back up in Rousey's favor.  Your explanation in that post really does not make any sense, but to each his own.  Good luck and we'll see what happens.  


    I said she had no will to fight? Even paraphrasing that is misguided.I don't listen to analysts and I do know someone is clearly clinically depressed, which will affect her every day until the start of the fight and durning it. And like clockwork, you don't understand the post about "value" and moreover are telling me it makes no sense. Which furthers the evidence you can't and will never understand it.

    I don't care if Nunes was +1135. It is the winning side so I capped it and got it at +135. Just like I didn't get Army over Navy at +10 but gladly took them at the "bad value" you purport of +5.5 and they still won outright. You would advise people to come off Army because you 'lost' 4.5 meaningless points based on the advice you are giving here.

    Don't take this guy's advice folks. Don't come off a side because it has less "value". The value is you cap. I can't say it enough.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:


    You don't think there's pressure on Nunes as well?  This is her biggest fight in her career by far as well.  I just don't think Nunes is as good as everyone that follows MMA may think she is.  That's why I think Rousey at a relatively short price is such a good wager.  And saying she is overmatched in everything except arm bars is just ridiculous.  Just not true.

    Nunes is on a free roll here bud. The worldwide pressure and eyeballs are on Rousey. That is immense as no fun has noted.
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    You don't think there's pressure on Nunes as well?  This is her biggest fight in her career by far as well.  I just don't think Nunes is as good as everyone that follows MMA may think she is.  That's why I think Rousey at a relatively short price is such a good wager.  And saying she is overmatched in everything except arm bars is just ridiculous.  Just not true.

    Nunes is on a free roll here bud. The worldwide pressure and eyeballs are on Rousey. That is immense as no fun has noted.
     
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    Not going to lie, just re-watched the Liz v RR fight and I completely underestimated Ronda's BJJ defense. However, I feel Nunes has much better JJ and if she locked in that RNC it wouldn't have been that easy.

    I'm sitting this one out and watching. Maybe if I see something at the weigh ins or someone has  bad weight cut I'll bet. I'll be enjoying this one.

    I will say the guy on page 1 that said the safest or best bet is the over 1.5 is completely wrong on this one. Nunes had 6 fights leave the 1st round out of 17 and Ronda 2/13. So no idea how he figures that. I may even bet the under.
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    Not going to lie, just re-watched the Liz v RR fight and I completely underestimated Ronda's BJJ defense. However, I feel Nunes has much better JJ and if she locked in that RNC it wouldn't have been that easy.

    I'm sitting this one out and watching. Maybe if I see something at the weigh ins or someone has  bad weight cut I'll bet. I'll be enjoying this one.

    I will say the guy on page 1 that said the safest or best bet is the over 1.5 is completely wrong on this one. Nunes had 6 fights leave the 1st round out of 17 and Ronda 2/13. So no idea how he figures that. I may even bet the under.
     
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    The total in this fight could completely go either way. It's a 5 round fight, fighters tend to pace themselves more as opposed to 3 rounds. I wonder if there's a way to look up situational stats like if 5 round fights go over 1.5 more than 3, interesting.

    Anyway, a case could definitely be made that Rhonda fights a very conservative fight early because of narrative that Nunes gasses, along with perhaps a tentativeness to engage after the vicious knockout to Holm.

    One could also argue that with both being so good in grappling and the submission game that they'll cancel each other out there, and if 1 round is spent in a stalemate on the ground, the over 1.5 could easily cash.

    Of course this fight could easily also go under with a quick stoppage one way or the other, that's the beauty of the fight game.

    Which brings me up to my next point, for guys who claim to be such big MMA fans you really speak in absolutes way too much. Anything can happen once that cage door shuts.

    I don't think Nunes can be considered on a "freeroll." I think this is why you hear a lot of times that it is harder to keep a title than it is to chase it. Maybe not american media but I'd imagine there will be a ton of pressure from her home country to bring back the gold. Also, she doesn't have the following like Rhonda that would demand an immediate title shot if she loses. I agree with Papa here, biggest fight of her career, she either cements her legacy by taking out "The GOAT" or she becomes just another of a long list of forgotten names who lost to the chosen one.
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    The total in this fight could completely go either way. It's a 5 round fight, fighters tend to pace themselves more as opposed to 3 rounds. I wonder if there's a way to look up situational stats like if 5 round fights go over 1.5 more than 3, interesting.

    Anyway, a case could definitely be made that Rhonda fights a very conservative fight early because of narrative that Nunes gasses, along with perhaps a tentativeness to engage after the vicious knockout to Holm.

    One could also argue that with both being so good in grappling and the submission game that they'll cancel each other out there, and if 1 round is spent in a stalemate on the ground, the over 1.5 could easily cash.

    Of course this fight could easily also go under with a quick stoppage one way or the other, that's the beauty of the fight game.

    Which brings me up to my next point, for guys who claim to be such big MMA fans you really speak in absolutes way too much. Anything can happen once that cage door shuts.

    I don't think Nunes can be considered on a "freeroll." I think this is why you hear a lot of times that it is harder to keep a title than it is to chase it. Maybe not american media but I'd imagine there will be a ton of pressure from her home country to bring back the gold. Also, she doesn't have the following like Rhonda that would demand an immediate title shot if she loses. I agree with Papa here, biggest fight of her career, she either cements her legacy by taking out "The GOAT" or she becomes just another of a long list of forgotten names who lost to the chosen one.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    I said she had no will to fight? Even paraphrasing that is misguided.I don't listen to analysts and I do know someone is clearly clinically depressed, which will affect her every day until the start of the fight and durning it. And like clockwork, you don't understand the post about "value" and moreover are telling me it makes no sense. Which furthers the evidence you can't and will never understand it.

    I don't care if Nunes was +1135. It is the winning side so I capped it and got it at +135. Just like I didn't get Army over Navy at +10 but gladly took them at the "bad value" you purport of +5.5 and they still won outright. You would advise people to come off Army because you 'lost' 4.5 meaningless points based on the advice you are giving here.

    Don't take this guy's advice folks. Don't come off a side because it has less "value". The value is you cap. I can't say it enough.

    So inherently wrong, it's frightening.  You're telling people not to take my advice, yet you believe that just because you cap a side to be a winner, it doesn't matter what odds you take it at.  Just not remotely true.  In this case, you would take Nunes at -1000 because you think she will win the fight.  Just stupidity at it's finest.  Your sheep will tail you with this fight and will be burned.  They will wonder why they didn't take Rousey at the bargain of a price as it is now.  


    For anyone worried about this clinical depression bullshitt Scal is spewing and that Rousey won't be up for this fight, read this piece by Ramona Shelburne.  It is a great insight on Rousey preparing for this fight.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnw-rousey161215/how-ronda-rousey-preparing-return-ufc-amanda-nunes
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    I said she had no will to fight? Even paraphrasing that is misguided.I don't listen to analysts and I do know someone is clearly clinically depressed, which will affect her every day until the start of the fight and durning it. And like clockwork, you don't understand the post about "value" and moreover are telling me it makes no sense. Which furthers the evidence you can't and will never understand it.

    I don't care if Nunes was +1135. It is the winning side so I capped it and got it at +135. Just like I didn't get Army over Navy at +10 but gladly took them at the "bad value" you purport of +5.5 and they still won outright. You would advise people to come off Army because you 'lost' 4.5 meaningless points based on the advice you are giving here.

    Don't take this guy's advice folks. Don't come off a side because it has less "value". The value is you cap. I can't say it enough.

    So inherently wrong, it's frightening.  You're telling people not to take my advice, yet you believe that just because you cap a side to be a winner, it doesn't matter what odds you take it at.  Just not remotely true.  In this case, you would take Nunes at -1000 because you think she will win the fight.  Just stupidity at it's finest.  Your sheep will tail you with this fight and will be burned.  They will wonder why they didn't take Rousey at the bargain of a price as it is now.  


    For anyone worried about this clinical depression bullshitt Scal is spewing and that Rousey won't be up for this fight, read this piece by Ramona Shelburne.  It is a great insight on Rousey preparing for this fight.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnw-rousey161215/how-ronda-rousey-preparing-return-ufc-amanda-nunes
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2016 - 8:18 AM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

     

    So inherently wrong, it's frightening.  You're telling people not to take my advice, yet you believe that just because you cap a side to be a winner, it doesn't matter what odds you take it at.  Just not remotely true.  In this case, you would take Nunes at -1000 because you think she will win the fight.  Just stupidity at it's finest.  Your sheep will tail you with this fight and will be burned.  They will wonder why they didn't take Rousey at the bargain of a price as it is now.  


    For anyone worried about this clinical depression bullshitt Scal is spewing and that Rousey won't be up for this fight, read this piece by Ramona Shelburne.  It is a great insight on Rousey preparing for this fight.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnw-rousey161215/how-ronda-rousey-preparing-return-ufc-amanda-nunes


    No one spoke about -1000. I said you look at the line, cap the fight and then come back to the line to see where it's at, NOT take it arbitrarily. Obviously if I see Nunes at +200 and come back to -1000 I'm not going to take it. Putting $1,000 to win $100 in a fight that can last under a minute is not my preference.

    I'm dealing with +money here the entire time, and I like +135 because I believe she will win so a 135% ROI is more than welcome. So if I see Nunes at +250 and come back to +135 I'm not coming off that side.

    Now he tells me a media narrative is driving a Nunes side yet he posts an article from ESPN which would push a bettor to take Rousey. Can't make it up folks. Up is down. Down is up.

    I am taking the dog here on the ML so for you to proudly tout a -155/-200 favorite (and much higher than that when it opened) is really bizarre. I'm taking the risk here for more return. YOU are PAYING the books a nice sum to play the favorite with the most recognized UFC female fighter of all time. Pretty interesting you tout that as bold. It's like taking the Patriots on the ML.

    Sheep? Lol. What sheep? What the hell do I get paid to post this? People read the post and make their own bet. They like the post and thank me or flame me. That's a sheep now...ok folks, when you THANK someone for a write-up free of charge, which cost you nothing but movement of your eyeballs, you are a "sheep". Lol. Alrighty. Nobody thank me so Papa doesn't think that of you! That's the ticket!
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    So inherently wrong, it's frightening.  You're telling people not to take my advice, yet you believe that just because you cap a side to be a winner, it doesn't matter what odds you take it at.  Just not remotely true.  In this case, you would take Nunes at -1000 because you think she will win the fight.  Just stupidity at it's finest.  Your sheep will tail you with this fight and will be burned.  They will wonder why they didn't take Rousey at the bargain of a price as it is now.  


    For anyone worried about this clinical depression bullshitt Scal is spewing and that Rousey won't be up for this fight, read this piece by Ramona Shelburne.  It is a great insight on Rousey preparing for this fight.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/espnw-rousey161215/how-ronda-rousey-preparing-return-ufc-amanda-nunes


    No one spoke about -1000. I said you look at the line, cap the fight and then come back to the line to see where it's at, NOT take it arbitrarily. Obviously if I see Nunes at +200 and come back to -1000 I'm not going to take it. Putting $1,000 to win $100 in a fight that can last under a minute is not my preference.

    I'm dealing with +money here the entire time, and I like +135 because I believe she will win so a 135% ROI is more than welcome. So if I see Nunes at +250 and come back to +135 I'm not coming off that side.

    Now he tells me a media narrative is driving a Nunes side yet he posts an article from ESPN which would push a bettor to take Rousey. Can't make it up folks. Up is down. Down is up.

    I am taking the dog here on the ML so for you to proudly tout a -155/-200 favorite (and much higher than that when it opened) is really bizarre. I'm taking the risk here for more return. YOU are PAYING the books a nice sum to play the favorite with the most recognized UFC female fighter of all time. Pretty interesting you tout that as bold. It's like taking the Patriots on the ML.

    Sheep? Lol. What sheep? What the hell do I get paid to post this? People read the post and make their own bet. They like the post and thank me or flame me. That's a sheep now...ok folks, when you THANK someone for a write-up free of charge, which cost you nothing but movement of your eyeballs, you are a "sheep". Lol. Alrighty. Nobody thank me so Papa doesn't think that of you! That's the ticket!
     
     
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    Look at Mickey Gall and Sage Northcutt. Who the hell wouldn't think Sage wasn't more impressive (outside of his ground game) in every regard?  Yes Gall destroyed him. Just interesting to point out that example and possibly overestimating the potential of your side in the UFC which the Rousey-backing public is doing.
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    Look at Mickey Gall and Sage Northcutt. Who the hell wouldn't think Sage wasn't more impressive (outside of his ground game) in every regard?  Yes Gall destroyed him. Just interesting to point out that example and possibly overestimating the potential of your side in the UFC which the Rousey-backing public is doing.
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