Except there is no actual evidence that it was psychological. It was a coaching and strategy issue. I have no idea where Rousey is mentally. And despite his winning pick, either does someone like Scalabrine. Unless he has a very inside source. Which I highly doubt.
Rousey is probably done. But if she does come back, she needs to dump her current coach and get with a real camp.
No, it absolutely was at least part psychological or the best bettors in the Mixed Martial section of covers might have caught on...I looked right before the fight and they were all on Rhonda...one guy even at 66% was on her...
Scal missed the real Tyson angle delivered by the man himself and truly one of the great quotes in sport, " Everyone has a plan until they get hit!"
Tyson was a 30-1 favorite vs Douglas to the point where I skipped the fight free on HBO in Japan but once that HUGE veil was cracked, the world calmed down and knew he could be beat and believe me, fake or not, fighters were significantly scared of this dude..
Douglas as I learned later had the boxing skills plus his mom just died and he had so much anger at his dad from neglecting her and him over the years that he could have beaten Joe Louis, Ali, anyone that night...
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Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:
Except there is no actual evidence that it was psychological. It was a coaching and strategy issue. I have no idea where Rousey is mentally. And despite his winning pick, either does someone like Scalabrine. Unless he has a very inside source. Which I highly doubt.
Rousey is probably done. But if she does come back, she needs to dump her current coach and get with a real camp.
No, it absolutely was at least part psychological or the best bettors in the Mixed Martial section of covers might have caught on...I looked right before the fight and they were all on Rhonda...one guy even at 66% was on her...
Scal missed the real Tyson angle delivered by the man himself and truly one of the great quotes in sport, " Everyone has a plan until they get hit!"
Tyson was a 30-1 favorite vs Douglas to the point where I skipped the fight free on HBO in Japan but once that HUGE veil was cracked, the world calmed down and knew he could be beat and believe me, fake or not, fighters were significantly scared of this dude..
Douglas as I learned later had the boxing skills plus his mom just died and he had so much anger at his dad from neglecting her and him over the years that he could have beaten Joe Louis, Ali, anyone that night...
Except there is no actual evidence that it was psychological. It was a coaching and strategy issue. I have no idea where Rousey is mentally. And despite his winning pick, either does someone like Scalabrine. Unless he has a very inside source. Which I highly doubt.
Rousey is probably done. But if she does come back, she needs to dump her current coach and get with a real camp.
It's gotten to the point where it's no longer challenging or even funny to respond to pieces of shi*.
"There is no evidence."
What would you like as evidence? Brain scans? Doctor's notes? After the fight would you like Ronda to say "I lost because I was a broken woman psychologically.'
Even if you had all this, you would say it's lip service, fraudulent documentation and/or testing.
NOTHING would convince you.
And now you saying (post-fight which is shameful because you don't put your neck on the line) it's a coaching issue.
How the hell do you know if her coaching and strategy wasn't the best it has ever been but the first right that rocked her threw off her entire gameplan? You know what it is to take a punch with that much force?
NOTHING is certifiable. That is why we have ANGLES. And the angles, be them substantive or not, bear themselves out when you WIN or LOSE.
And not just one win, but a consistent winner of which I am for YEARS, you dumba** because I explain my angles and people can CHOOSE to buy into them.
So go rummage through Rousey's hotel room for doctor's notes because you won't find any.
And get back to me when you have a winning angle (or pick or write-up) before the fight or game of ANY KIND.
To the other guys above as usual. Thanks my 'sheeple'. Yes you are a 'sheep' for following a +135 ML winner and write-up.
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Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:
Except there is no actual evidence that it was psychological. It was a coaching and strategy issue. I have no idea where Rousey is mentally. And despite his winning pick, either does someone like Scalabrine. Unless he has a very inside source. Which I highly doubt.
Rousey is probably done. But if she does come back, she needs to dump her current coach and get with a real camp.
It's gotten to the point where it's no longer challenging or even funny to respond to pieces of shi*.
"There is no evidence."
What would you like as evidence? Brain scans? Doctor's notes? After the fight would you like Ronda to say "I lost because I was a broken woman psychologically.'
Even if you had all this, you would say it's lip service, fraudulent documentation and/or testing.
NOTHING would convince you.
And now you saying (post-fight which is shameful because you don't put your neck on the line) it's a coaching issue.
How the hell do you know if her coaching and strategy wasn't the best it has ever been but the first right that rocked her threw off her entire gameplan? You know what it is to take a punch with that much force?
NOTHING is certifiable. That is why we have ANGLES. And the angles, be them substantive or not, bear themselves out when you WIN or LOSE.
And not just one win, but a consistent winner of which I am for YEARS, you dumba** because I explain my angles and people can CHOOSE to buy into them.
So go rummage through Rousey's hotel room for doctor's notes because you won't find any.
And get back to me when you have a winning angle (or pick or write-up) before the fight or game of ANY KIND.
To the other guys above as usual. Thanks my 'sheeple'. Yes you are a 'sheep' for following a +135 ML winner and write-up.
The ref had to end it mercifully in 48 seconds, not due to submission but due to the fact that Rousey looked like a woman off the street.
And this was, as her 3 million dollar paycheck certifies (because you wouldn't be paying someone of her caliber THAT much money for one fight if she wasn't great) she was the greatest female fighter ever in the Octagon.
And the greatest female fighter, who had her fight end on a mercy stop even before it got going, lost because of a 'coaching and strategy' issue and there is NO evidence her performance had anything to do with her psyche. Ok.
I wonder how Papa would coach her? Curl up in a ball in the corner for 5 minutes through round 1?
Folks, just hear what the trolls are saying and then make your own assessments. It's all here. Papa? Not a troll. Good argumentation. Didn't work out. Jdr Hugh and the rest of his lackeys? Pure unadulterated trolls who stalk me for.....god knows what???
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Couldn't throw a meaningful punch.
Couldn't block a punch.
The ref had to end it mercifully in 48 seconds, not due to submission but due to the fact that Rousey looked like a woman off the street.
And this was, as her 3 million dollar paycheck certifies (because you wouldn't be paying someone of her caliber THAT much money for one fight if she wasn't great) she was the greatest female fighter ever in the Octagon.
And the greatest female fighter, who had her fight end on a mercy stop even before it got going, lost because of a 'coaching and strategy' issue and there is NO evidence her performance had anything to do with her psyche. Ok.
I wonder how Papa would coach her? Curl up in a ball in the corner for 5 minutes through round 1?
Folks, just hear what the trolls are saying and then make your own assessments. It's all here. Papa? Not a troll. Good argumentation. Didn't work out. Jdr Hugh and the rest of his lackeys? Pure unadulterated trolls who stalk me for.....god knows what???
Nunes said exactly what I thought after the fight. She said if she didn't get the punches in and was taken down, it could've been a different result. She landed early, stunned Ronda, and that was that. If Ronda had any head movement whatsoever and could have countered with a take down, the fight could have gone differently. Anyone can believe it was psychological, etc., but the fact is, she couldn't handle the early punches that landed and that was that. Her coach kept screaming to move her head and she didn't. It is what it is. I had a huge bet on Rousey and it went south very quickly. I lost 11.1 Units on the fight, but only lost 8.5 on the night. Still up 19.64 Units over the past 8 cards. I'll be alright.
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Nunes said exactly what I thought after the fight. She said if she didn't get the punches in and was taken down, it could've been a different result. She landed early, stunned Ronda, and that was that. If Ronda had any head movement whatsoever and could have countered with a take down, the fight could have gone differently. Anyone can believe it was psychological, etc., but the fact is, she couldn't handle the early punches that landed and that was that. Her coach kept screaming to move her head and she didn't. It is what it is. I had a huge bet on Rousey and it went south very quickly. I lost 11.1 Units on the fight, but only lost 8.5 on the night. Still up 19.64 Units over the past 8 cards. I'll be alright.
She didn't even try to win. I could respect her if she got tagged trying to close the distance. But she just stood in front of Nunes waiting to be put out of her misery.
No head movement, no footwork, just a punching bag for Nunes. Even a little bit of evasiveness and she might have been able to get inside.
I'm still not a believer in Nunes though.
I'd like to see how she fares against an experienced striker like Holm.
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I'm dumbfounded by Rousey's performance.
She didn't even try to win. I could respect her if she got tagged trying to close the distance. But she just stood in front of Nunes waiting to be put out of her misery.
No head movement, no footwork, just a punching bag for Nunes. Even a little bit of evasiveness and she might have been able to get inside.
I'm still not a believer in Nunes though.
I'd like to see how she fares against an experienced striker like Holm.
Nunes said exactly what I thought after the fight. She said if she didn't get the punches in and was taken down, it could've been a different result. She landed early, stunned Ronda, and that was that. If Ronda had any head movement whatsoever and could have countered with a take down, the fight could have gone differently. Anyone can believe it was psychological, etc., but the fact is, she couldn't handle the early punches that landed and that was that. Her coach kept screaming to move her head and she didn't. It is what it is. I had a huge bet on Rousey and it went south very quickly. I lost 11.1 Units on the fight, but only lost 8.5 on the night. Still up 19.64 Units over the past 8 cards. I'll be alright.
Papa, if that result isn't psychological, I don't know what is. There is no believing or not. I guess life is all belief isn't it? Billions believe in Allah. Billion believe in Christ. Some believe in science. Who is right? Who is wrong? We can take the 'believe' stance.
But that was a beaten fighter right from the first bell. That was an amateur out there. She lost it. Her already ragged psyche is exactly WHY her head wasn't moving. She moved it more than sufficiently in her rise to the top when she had all the fame and glory.
It was a mercy stoppage. At one point she is against the octagon covering up (and this is a mere 30 seconds into the fight).
You see that in streetfights where the bully knows he can kill the nerd. You just want out. Just make it stop. I've sure many here have been in such situations in their life. It happens. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Let's talk about moving and jabbing and take-downs and technical aspects of the fight in a real fight that goes beyond 50 seconds. This wasn't even a challenge. Of course we can say "If Ronda did this or that she wins" and Nunes of course will throw a bone at some point. You can say that in every fight and every game. The Browns say this every game and it has left them at 1-14. "If we ran the ball well we would have won." They have no RB's. Therefore, let's not talk about running the ball effectively. Ronda had nothing right from the first punch. Her attempts at takedowns happen at my local MMA gyms.
This was a beaten woman from the bell. And that was the angle and that is what I bet on. And if I didn't bet on that, and bet on Ronda's skillset overall, then I have to side with Ronda, which I wouldn't do after betting on innumerable games be it NFL NBA NCAA on psychological situational angles. And they don't ALL come through. But many do. And that is all that matters. Win the many and make up for the rest.
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:
Nunes said exactly what I thought after the fight. She said if she didn't get the punches in and was taken down, it could've been a different result. She landed early, stunned Ronda, and that was that. If Ronda had any head movement whatsoever and could have countered with a take down, the fight could have gone differently. Anyone can believe it was psychological, etc., but the fact is, she couldn't handle the early punches that landed and that was that. Her coach kept screaming to move her head and she didn't. It is what it is. I had a huge bet on Rousey and it went south very quickly. I lost 11.1 Units on the fight, but only lost 8.5 on the night. Still up 19.64 Units over the past 8 cards. I'll be alright.
Papa, if that result isn't psychological, I don't know what is. There is no believing or not. I guess life is all belief isn't it? Billions believe in Allah. Billion believe in Christ. Some believe in science. Who is right? Who is wrong? We can take the 'believe' stance.
But that was a beaten fighter right from the first bell. That was an amateur out there. She lost it. Her already ragged psyche is exactly WHY her head wasn't moving. She moved it more than sufficiently in her rise to the top when she had all the fame and glory.
It was a mercy stoppage. At one point she is against the octagon covering up (and this is a mere 30 seconds into the fight).
You see that in streetfights where the bully knows he can kill the nerd. You just want out. Just make it stop. I've sure many here have been in such situations in their life. It happens. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Let's talk about moving and jabbing and take-downs and technical aspects of the fight in a real fight that goes beyond 50 seconds. This wasn't even a challenge. Of course we can say "If Ronda did this or that she wins" and Nunes of course will throw a bone at some point. You can say that in every fight and every game. The Browns say this every game and it has left them at 1-14. "If we ran the ball well we would have won." They have no RB's. Therefore, let's not talk about running the ball effectively. Ronda had nothing right from the first punch. Her attempts at takedowns happen at my local MMA gyms.
This was a beaten woman from the bell. And that was the angle and that is what I bet on. And if I didn't bet on that, and bet on Ronda's skillset overall, then I have to side with Ronda, which I wouldn't do after betting on innumerable games be it NFL NBA NCAA on psychological situational angles. And they don't ALL come through. But many do. And that is all that matters. Win the many and make up for the rest.
I forgot who said this first but to quote someone "everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face". The fight game is more complicated than great shoulder muscles. That girl was in better physical condition than Nunes. She was ready for everything except eating a jab.
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I forgot who said this first but to quote someone "everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face". The fight game is more complicated than great shoulder muscles. That girl was in better physical condition than Nunes. She was ready for everything except eating a jab.
Papa, if that result isn't psychological, I don't know what is. There is no believing or not. I guess life is all belief isn't it? Billions believe in Allah. Billion believe in Christ. Some believe in science. Who is right? Who is wrong? We can take the 'believe' stance.
But that was a beaten fighter right from the first bell. That was an amateur out there. She lost it. Her already ragged psyche is exactly WHY her head wasn't moving. She moved it more than sufficiently in her rise to the top when she had all the fame and glory.
It was a mercy stoppage. At one point she is against the octagon covering up (and this is a mere 30 seconds into the fight).
You see that in streetfights where the bully knows he can kill the nerd. You just want out. Just make it stop. I've sure many here have been in such situations in their life. It happens. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Let's talk about moving and jabbing and take-downs and technical aspects of the fight in a real fight that goes beyond 50 seconds. This wasn't even a challenge. Of course we can say "If Ronda did this or that she wins" and Nunes of course will throw a bone at some point. You can say that in every fight and every game. The Browns say this every game and it has left them at 1-14. "If we ran the ball well we would have won." They have no RB's. Therefore, let's not talk about running the ball effectively. Ronda had nothing right from the first punch. Her attempts at takedowns happen at my local MMA gyms.
This was a beaten woman from the bell. And that was the angle and that is what I bet on. And if I didn't bet on that, and bet on Ronda's skillset overall, then I have to side with Ronda, which I wouldn't do after betting on innumerable games be it NFL NBA NCAA on psychological situational angles. And they don't ALL come through. But many do. And that is all that matters. Win the many and make up for the rest.
We can agree to disagree. You were even wavering a little bit at the 59th minute. She has been training for a long time for this fight. I think her psyche was fine going into the fight. You can believe it wasn't, I believe her state of mind was fine. Her state of mind was great going into the Holm right and she lost that as well. If Nunes didn't tag her early, again, the fight could've gone differently, like Nunes stated. The fight is over, you won. Congrats.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Papa, if that result isn't psychological, I don't know what is. There is no believing or not. I guess life is all belief isn't it? Billions believe in Allah. Billion believe in Christ. Some believe in science. Who is right? Who is wrong? We can take the 'believe' stance.
But that was a beaten fighter right from the first bell. That was an amateur out there. She lost it. Her already ragged psyche is exactly WHY her head wasn't moving. She moved it more than sufficiently in her rise to the top when she had all the fame and glory.
It was a mercy stoppage. At one point she is against the octagon covering up (and this is a mere 30 seconds into the fight).
You see that in streetfights where the bully knows he can kill the nerd. You just want out. Just make it stop. I've sure many here have been in such situations in their life. It happens. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Let's talk about moving and jabbing and take-downs and technical aspects of the fight in a real fight that goes beyond 50 seconds. This wasn't even a challenge. Of course we can say "If Ronda did this or that she wins" and Nunes of course will throw a bone at some point. You can say that in every fight and every game. The Browns say this every game and it has left them at 1-14. "If we ran the ball well we would have won." They have no RB's. Therefore, let's not talk about running the ball effectively. Ronda had nothing right from the first punch. Her attempts at takedowns happen at my local MMA gyms.
This was a beaten woman from the bell. And that was the angle and that is what I bet on. And if I didn't bet on that, and bet on Ronda's skillset overall, then I have to side with Ronda, which I wouldn't do after betting on innumerable games be it NFL NBA NCAA on psychological situational angles. And they don't ALL come through. But many do. And that is all that matters. Win the many and make up for the rest.
We can agree to disagree. You were even wavering a little bit at the 59th minute. She has been training for a long time for this fight. I think her psyche was fine going into the fight. You can believe it wasn't, I believe her state of mind was fine. Her state of mind was great going into the Holm right and she lost that as well. If Nunes didn't tag her early, again, the fight could've gone differently, like Nunes stated. The fight is over, you won. Congrats.
We can agree to disagree. You were even wavering a little bit at the 59th minute. She has been training for a long time for this fight. I think her psyche was fine going into the fight. You can believe it wasn't, I believe her state of mind was fine. Her state of mind was great going into the Holm right and she lost that as well. If Nunes didn't tag her early, again, the fight could've gone differently, like Nunes stated. The fight is over, you won. Congrats.
Wavering at the 59th minute is simply respecting her overall physical conditioning which was an unknown a week ago. My bet remained the same as always. I was accountable for that OP.
She was curling up in a ball in 30 seconds. If Nunes didn't tag her? Who hasn't she tagged? Fight Holm or Nunes expect to get tagged wholly or partially every time.
It's like saying, "If Rousey's gameplan isn't perfect or close to perfect she might lose." She's fighting a boxer and power puncher. They will get some of you.
If you think her mindset was great going into this then I guess people talking about suicide and eventually leaving the sport after one loss is completely normal. Come on. That mindset bore itself out in front of the entire world. She wanted out after the first sign of adversity. You can't fight a hand like that. You will lose every time. And I'm getting +ML for that? That is why the line shifted so much because on pure skill Rousey is superior.
Moving on. There's no debate here. It's insulting to debate this.
Double CONGRATS. Nice bet. To the rest
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:
We can agree to disagree. You were even wavering a little bit at the 59th minute. She has been training for a long time for this fight. I think her psyche was fine going into the fight. You can believe it wasn't, I believe her state of mind was fine. Her state of mind was great going into the Holm right and she lost that as well. If Nunes didn't tag her early, again, the fight could've gone differently, like Nunes stated. The fight is over, you won. Congrats.
Wavering at the 59th minute is simply respecting her overall physical conditioning which was an unknown a week ago. My bet remained the same as always. I was accountable for that OP.
She was curling up in a ball in 30 seconds. If Nunes didn't tag her? Who hasn't she tagged? Fight Holm or Nunes expect to get tagged wholly or partially every time.
It's like saying, "If Rousey's gameplan isn't perfect or close to perfect she might lose." She's fighting a boxer and power puncher. They will get some of you.
If you think her mindset was great going into this then I guess people talking about suicide and eventually leaving the sport after one loss is completely normal. Come on. That mindset bore itself out in front of the entire world. She wanted out after the first sign of adversity. You can't fight a hand like that. You will lose every time. And I'm getting +ML for that? That is why the line shifted so much because on pure skill Rousey is superior.
Moving on. There's no debate here. It's insulting to debate this.
. Yes you are a 'sheep' for following a +135 ML winner and write-up.
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