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Some interesting stuff here. (At least to me)

1. Will players be tested weekly for the virus?

2. Will players be not allowed to play who test positive? How long?

3. Will results of this testing be published in advance or will teams reveal it only at kickoff?

4. How many must test positive to suspend or cancel a game?

5. What if most of coaching staff test positive?

6. How will a cancelled game be counted? Forfeit? 

7. Let's say Bama and Clemson are only able to play 9-10 games due to opposing teams cancelling. Are they out of playoffs if others are 12-0, 11-1?

NOW IT GETS REAL INTRESTING!

South Korean research is showing those who were infected and recovered have anti-bodies and when they test positive again it is found they have only dead virus or virus particles and are not in danger of re-infection OR INFECTING OTHERS.

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious-south-korean-study-shows-1.630361

Players who have or will be exposed to the virus and develop antibodies should be able to play all season if this study is confirmed, and I think it will be.

Wouldn't it be interesting if players intentionally expose themselves now to gain these antibodies even though risk is involved.

Five Bama players have tested positive. Okla St has one, sure there are many more.

So, will there be a list of players with antibodies? Teams with most antibodies will be easier to predict.

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I think it will be interesting to see if the betting public will be willing to pound early openers

and assume the Covid risk on their wager for 2 months or so, or will they wait to

make their bet until closer to gameday when their risk is more well defined.

 
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I don't know how others on the Forum feel about Covid risk , but I personally would not

like to take on the wager risk for two months if key players could come down with this.

It's not only about Covid , but also Strength and Conditioning as well as limited reps ,

and also , will practices be contact or non contact , this is important for me to know.

Personally, I think I will be able to find plays to bet closer to gameday as I understand

just how teams are actually preparing for their opener.

GL

 
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You don't see any GOY's yet. Books are waiting too.

I said players could possibly expose themselves and that is a bit absurd, but I have seen absurd before.

Maybe players could get blood transfusions from players with anti-bodies??

Will be interesting.

 
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SBR has some GOY odds up.

 
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FYI , They have Michigan as a 3 point fave over Wisconsin on 9 / 26.

 
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Should have qualified that to VEGAS sportsbooks. Usually Southpoint and Golden Nugget have theirs out by now. And the newest book, Circa was expected to join in.  

 
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Saw the online GOY's.

 

Really Like;

Bama -14 vs USC week 1

Ohio St -9.5 at Oregon week 2

Mich-6.5 vs Mich St week 7

Just Like;

Washington +2.5 vs Mich. week 1

Texas +5 at LSU week 2

If all things were normal like last year I would place these bets in Vegas. It's not normal, no telling how it goes next two months.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by undefined:

Some interesting stuff here. (At least to me) 1. Will players be tested weekly for the virus? 2. Will players be not allowed to play who test positive? How long? 3. Will results of this testing be published in advance or will teams reveal it only at kickoff? 4. How many must test positive to suspend or cancel a game? 5. What if most of coaching staff test positive? 6. How will a cancelled game be counted? Forfeit?  7. Let's say Bama and Clemson are only able to play 9-10 games due to opposing teams cancelling. Are they out of playoffs if others are 12-0, 11-1? NOW IT GETS REAL INTRESTING! South Korean research is showing those who were infected and recovered have anti-bodies and when they test positive again it is found they have only dead virus or virus particles and are not in danger of re-infection OR INFECTING OTHERS. https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious-south-korean-study-shows-1.630361 Players who have or will be exposed to the virus and develop antibodies should be able to play all season if this study is confirmed, and I think it will be. Wouldn't it be interesting if players intentionally expose themselves now to gain these antibodies even though risk is involved. Five Bama players have tested positive. Okla St has one, sure there are many more. So, will there be a list of players with antibodies? Teams with most antibodies will be easier to predict. COMMENTS WELCOME.
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I think it will be interesting to see if the betting public will be willing to pound early openers and assume the Covid risk on their wager for 2 months or so, or will they wait to make their bet until closer to gameday when their risk is more well defined.

 

Just a thought , but I wonder which teams have a contingency plan in place if a position coach or two and / or an

O or D Coordinator are forced to lose considerable time due to Covid

 
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Saw the online GOY's.   Really Like; Bama -14 vs USC week 1 Ohio St -9.5 at Oregon week 2 Mich-6.5 vs Mich St week 7 Just Like; Washington +2.5 vs Mich. week 1 Texas +5 at LSU week 2 If all things were normal like last year I would place these bets in Vegas. It's not normal, no telling how it goes next two months.

 

Bama's " D " needs to show me some improvement over last year before I'll lay DD's on them vs a team like USC .

I'm not saying that Bama can't cover , but their defense was not impressive last season.

I like the Mich / Mich St. play .

 

 
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With the exception of the beat down Bama put on the Kiffen coached SC team, Bama normally covers in these 1st showcase neutral site games, but its usually only by 2- 5 points.     Bama has the discipline over SC...and I will assume the motivation.   Bama will win, but the question for all of us, will they cover?  

 

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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Saw the online GOY's.   Really Like; Bama -14 vs USC week 1 Ohio St -9.5 at Oregon week 2 Mich-6.5 vs Mich St week 7 Just Like; Washington +2.5 vs Mich. week 1 Texas +5 at LSU week 2 If all things were normal like last year I would place these bets in Vegas. It's not normal, no telling how it goes next two months.   Bama's " D " needs to show me some improvement over last year before I'll lay DD's on them vs a team like USC . I'm not saying that Bama can't cover , but their defense was not impressive last season. I like the Mich / Mich St. play .

 
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Bama has covered the last five game #1's by 5.5, 13, 17, 34, and 6 points.  

2-5 points, WHERE???

They were favored by -33.5, -24, -7, -12, -12.

I'll take it.

GL

 

 
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So you will take Bama -17 against SC on a neutral field.  I don't know the exact spread, but that's my estimate based on last seasons end of season Sagarin Power ratings.   Bama may cover, and like Bama SC is a public team, but at that number, a Bama cover is no slam dunk...

 

Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Bama has covered the last five game #1's by 5.5, 13, 17, 34, and 6 points.   2-5 points, WHERE??? They were favored by -33.5, -24, -7, -12, -12. I'll take it. GL

 
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Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:

So you will take Bama -17 against SC on a neutral field.  I don't know the exact spread, but that's my estimate based on last seasons end of season Sagarin Power ratings.   Bama may cover, and like Bama SC is a public team, but at that number, a Bama cover is no slam dunk...   Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Bama has covered the last five game #1's by 5.5, 13, 17, 34, and 6 points.   2-5 points, WHERE??? They were favored by -33.5, -24, -7, -12, -12. I'll take it. GL

Post #8 clearly shows I said -14.

Took that number from here;

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/game-of-the-year/

The word "Slam Dunk" is not in my sports betting vocabulary. I "Really Like" it.

 
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UNIMAN how do we (Michigan) continue to be favored in road matchups vs ranked opponents? I'd have to think this is as good a chance as any to pick up a road W vs a ranked Washington team considering the overall mediocrity of the Pac-12.  Big advantage if no fans allowed, but if we do have fans that won't be an easy environment.  

I think we'll be much better on the defensive side of the ball in 2020, didn't lose much and think some of the younger guys are due to be big time play makers with Hinton, Hutchinson, McGrone, Dax Hill leading the way.  We also look to actually have some more speed on D along with an actual defensive line that won't get absolutely dominated like what happened against Wisconsin and Ohio St specifically. We were very undersized in 2019, still think thats an issue here in 2020 but Hinton/Smith should help fix that some.  

Plenty of playmakers on offense & I actually like McCaffrey or Milton better than Patterson.  Biggest question mark is the offensive line, as 4 starters moved on to the NFL.  Warriner has done a phenomenal job there though, and the recruiting has been great in the past couple years as well so hopefully that unit can come together quickly or it won't matter how talented the QB situation is.  

 
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Almost every one of my early picks listed above is based on historical tendencies with the exception of Mich/Mich St. I expect MSU to be really bad.

Bama has a very strong history of dominating game #1.

Ohio State is a scoring machine and does not let up, Oregon not even close in talent. Ohio St strong on the road.

Texas with Herman has a history of rising up for big games. Maybe not winning but they do cover.

Our Michigan has a terrible road record vs ranked opponents along with terrible bowl record. Washington has more returning starters and expects to be really good in the secondary. Their offense to me is a wait'n see. BUT, they have a new coach (same system) and with that comes renewed confidence and expectations. With all prep time being equal I have to side with historical tendencies. Michigan MUST PROVE ME WRONG before I put money on them in these situations. The Under might be the better bet in this game.

I like McCaffery, not so much Milton. The running back position will be the most improved area, IMO, and not because of Evan's return. Charbonnet and Haskins had a big learning curve last year. Offensive line "needs time" according to Det Freep and I agree. On the flip, Washington replaces three on their line.

Defensive line way too small last year. Wisc. saw that, saw how linebackers were used to make up for the line's size and dialed up a game plan to take advantage. Hinton/Smith should help shore that up this year.

I want to see that "over the top" wide receiver at Michigan. It comes with OC scheme as much as a WR to pull it off. And a QB to hit that WR in the numbers when it matters most. Michigan needs that big-play WR along with big-play running back. 

 
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Forgot to mention. Warriner has been a blessing, so glad Michigan has him.

 
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Not against Maryland in 2017 and 2018...DD faves, and lost straight up...Sure Herman has a great record ATS as a dog both at Houston and Texas.   Those big game upsets as dogs have come in the bowl games against UGA and Utah.   I don't trust Texas.   But, I guess one could consider Texas a live dog at LSU in week 2, with an advantage at QB...But, I will not bet against LSU in BR at night...That will probably be a no play for me.   Be careful, betting Texas in September...Again, I don't trust them ATS...Herman has to demonstrate to me that he has grown up as a coach...I will wait and see and perhaps back them after the OU game...

 

Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Almost every one of my early picks listed above is based on historical tendencies with the exception of Mich/Mich St. I expect MSU to be really bad. Bama has a very strong history of dominating game #1. Ohio State is a scoring machine and does not let up, Oregon not even close in talent. Ohio St strong on the road. Texas with Herman has a history of rising up for big games. Maybe not winning but they do cover. Our Michigan has a terrible road record vs ranked opponents along with terrible bowl record. Washington has more returning starters and expects to be really good in the secondary. Their offense to me is a wait'n see. BUT, they have a new coach (same system) and with that comes renewed confidence and expectations. With all prep time being equal I have to side with historical tendencies. Michigan MUST PROVE ME WRONG before I put money on them in these situations. The Under might be the better bet in this game. I like McCaffery, not so much Milton. The running back position will be the most improved area, IMO, and not because of Evan's return. Charbonnet and Haskins had a big learning curve last year. Offensive line "needs time" according to Det Freep and I agree. On the flip, Washington replaces three on their line. Defensive line way too small last year. Wisc. saw that, saw how linebackers were used to make up for the line's size and dialed up a game plan to take advantage. Hinton/Smith should help shore that up this year. I want to see that "over the top" wide receiver at Michigan. It comes with OC scheme as much as a WR to pull it off. And a QB to hit that WR in the numbers when it matters most. Michigan needs that big-play WR along with big-play running back.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Should have qualified that to VEGAS sportsbooks. Usually Southpoint and Golden Nugget have theirs out by now. And the newest book, Circa was expected to join in.

 

I'm glad you mentioned Circa. Shops are open here now and I had a chance to stop by Circa just over a

week ago. I had the opportunity to visit with Matt Metcalf and Jeff Benson , and I like their vision for

Sportsbetting as well as the Sportsbetting experience going forward. Great people and I especially

enjoyed reminiscing with Matt about the " Old days " and our times at the IP and Westgate.

Hope college Football gets here soon.

GLTA

 
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

Should have qualified that to VEGAS sportsbooks. Usually Southpoint and Golden Nugget have theirs out by now. And the newest book, Circa was expected to join in.

 

 

I'm glad you mentioned Circa. Shops are open here now , and i had a chance to stop by

Circa just over a week ago .

I had the opportunity to visit with Matt Metcalf and Jeff Benson , and I like their vision

for Sportsbetting as well as the Sportsbetting experience going forward.

Great people , and I especially enjoyed reminiscing with Matt about the

" Old days " and our times at the IP and Westgate.

Hope College Football gets here soon.

GLTA

 
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Nice to hear from you Wise, hope all is well!

Really hated moving from Nevada with Circa opening their new book. Gonna have to make a trip out there to see and experience it. Really think they will push other books to step up their wagering offers.

My only experience with the IP sportsbook was Jan. 14th, 2001. Flew out to Vegas from Michigan for a four day gambling binge. My first stop was going to be the IP sportsbook to wager a bundle on the Vikings. My plane was delayed and when we arrived the rental car desk was backed up out the door! After waiting 2 hours we bitched to the manager as we had reserved a car in advance and were told we could just walk out, avoid the desk, and get our car. Such was not the case. The manager had us take a cab to the IP and then return later to get our car. They paid cab fare and discounted the rental. In the cab on the way to the IP the driver had the Giants/Vikings game on the radio. Giants were smashing the Vikings and won 41-0. Arrived at the IP at halftime. Went up to the sportsbook and it was packed! Not even room to stand! So I took a $10 dollar bill, put it in a quarter slot just outside the book and hit $250. Dumb freaking luck that I was delayed and didn't blow $$ on the Vikings and dumb luck I hit $250.

Funny how you remember shit like this! 

 
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I've got a lot of great memories of this town going all the way back to the

early '80's when I used to fly in from Chicago every Friday night on AWA # 777

during CFB season. I decided to give up my Construction Consulting business in

1993 to come to Las Vegas to try my hand at Sports betting. Shortly after I got

here, i got a call from Ralph Englestadt at the IP about managing a Casino project

for him .Unfortunately , the project was in Biloxi , MS , so I was not interested.

Not too long after that , I got a call from the VP of Design and Construction at a

Health Care company asking me if I was interested in managing the construction

of a hospital they intended to build here. I took him up on his offer and managed

the construction of Summerlin Hospital Medical Center in what began an 18 year

career with them. I'm glad I did not go to Biloxi. bigsmile

I was blessed to be able to do the two things that I enjoyed doing the most,

managing large construction projects and Sports betting from 1993 on , and

am very thankful for the opportunity moving to Las Vegas has given me.

I did however spend a lot of time at the IP and Westgate " learning the ropes"

of sportsbetting , as well as Little Caesars , Stardust ,and the Barbary Coast .

Many great memories for me here bud.

 

 
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FWIW , I think it is important to know just how serious this virus is ,

and why we should not dismiss it or take it for granted.

So far many have suffered thru , or lost their lives due to Covid .

In my years that were associated with the Hospital and Health

Care field , Infection Control and Viral spread were always

 important elements to be considered in Hospital operations,

but currently the Health care industry and it's career

professionals are being challenged to unprecedented levels.

Covid has , and will continue to seek us out , one at a time

until all in some way have been affected by this virus

For me personally , Covid 19 got very real for me three weeks

ago when my twin Sister died from complications of Covid 19.

 

To All, protect youself and your loved ones, and Stay safe.

Blessings

WG

 
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typing into a 1X3 inch box wtf....can't be right? wassup WG....double handshake ha was that you UNI... "trump is doing a pretty good job...." trump is the failed abortion resulting from a turkey baster jizz shake of: George Wallace + Mussolini + Don King.....introduced into the cavernous, funky snatch of Anna Nicole Smith....TRUE! CFB 2020 is gonna be an absolute disaster...Incredible financial PRESSURE might lead to on time start (what 4-5 billion on the table?). Damn near impossible for things to go past 2-3 weeks before an interruption. Big question here is..."Who TF is gonna be willing to SACRIFICE their own child?....I'm guessing very few. 130 teams X 100+ on every roster...limited spacing in locker rooms...somebody is gonna get sick and DIE. Then what...you keep going, wait 1-2 weeks THEN it's OK? Even with spacing in stadiums (20% or so)...games will be a massive social event. Say LSU lets 25K in, you will have 100K++ tailgating. Tons will get sick...recall young folks might not get the virus, but are fine carriers (often asymptomatic). Parents will pull their kids, and or sue the living hell outta the school (wavers won't stop lawsuits). "My son was pressured to be here (lose scholarship), school was not following PROPER procedures > therefore NEGLIGENT"....most schools can't afford frequent testing ($500K or so). Smart thing to do, would of course be to skip this year entirely...that is IF HEALTH / good of our nation....was more important than MONEY / ENTERTAINMENT. But it ain't...so here we go. * for the few UNAFRAID to discuss such things....the athlete / student that DIES...has a greater than zero chance of being Black....the coaches/ decision makers?....likely White. Think that won't matter you say? .....insert stupid rolling smiley face here new format sucks beyond belief
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huh...that went well 90 yr old WG seems to have no issues posting ha...chrome the issue?...okey dokey
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