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    BamaPiks
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:18 PM ET #26

    It's official...jwheels is a royal fuck up! I rest my case.
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    It's official...jwheels is a royal fuck up! I rest my case.
     
    Barnstorm
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:32 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaPiks:

    As for worse things/people, I can only think of very very very very few worse things than sexually raping/molesting a child. You need to check your morals at the door...quickly!!

    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaPiks:

    As for worse things/people, I can only think of very very very very few worse things than sexually raping/molesting a child. You need to check your morals at the door...quickly!!

    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'

     
    SportsFan9698
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:41 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    Drunk drivers are worse?  Did I read that correctly???  OMFG

    I was once convicted of DUI...  and I can assure you I am nowhere on the level of a fucking pedophile.  Are you really serious???

    A pedophile is calculating, and deceiving.  He knows what he is doing is wrong, and takes calculated steps to cover his tracks.

    I was guilty of blowing a 0.8 a couple hundred yards of my house after harming nobody.

    Damn some people are fucked in the head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    Drunk drivers are worse?  Did I read that correctly???  OMFG

    I was once convicted of DUI...  and I can assure you I am nowhere on the level of a fucking pedophile.  Are you really serious???

    A pedophile is calculating, and deceiving.  He knows what he is doing is wrong, and takes calculated steps to cover his tracks.

    I was guilty of blowing a 0.8 a couple hundred yards of my house after harming nobody.

    Damn some people are fucked in the head
     
    Barnstorm
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:42 PM ET #29

    How can Spanier claim he was never told of any sexual abuse?!

    The guy is really stretching it for his legal defense. Is he just going to hang it all on Joe Pa and say Joe Pa didn't tell him? Or that the other two guys didn't tell him? Weird. The report obviously says otherwise.

    They all covered up to save the "Program."
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    How can Spanier claim he was never told of any sexual abuse?!

    The guy is really stretching it for his legal defense. Is he just going to hang it all on Joe Pa and say Joe Pa didn't tell him? Or that the other two guys didn't tell him? Weird. The report obviously says otherwise.

    They all covered up to save the "Program."
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:44 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    Drunk drivers are worse?  Did I read that correctly???  OMFG

    I was once convicted of DUI...  and I can assure you I am nowhere on the level of a fucking pedophile.  Are you really serious???

    A pedophile is calculating, and deceiving.  He knows what he is doing is wrong, and takes calculated steps to cover his tracks.

    I was guilty of blowing a 0.8 a couple hundred yards of my house after harming nobody.

    Damn some people are fucked in the head

    And if you had killed someone? Oops! I didn't mean it. Sorry. I didn't plan it. Sorry. I just got behind the wheel shitfaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    Drunk drivers are worse?  Did I read that correctly???  OMFG

    I was once convicted of DUI...  and I can assure you I am nowhere on the level of a fucking pedophile.  Are you really serious???

    A pedophile is calculating, and deceiving.  He knows what he is doing is wrong, and takes calculated steps to cover his tracks.

    I was guilty of blowing a 0.8 a couple hundred yards of my house after harming nobody.

    Damn some people are fucked in the head

    And if you had killed someone? Oops! I didn't mean it. Sorry. I didn't plan it. Sorry. I just got behind the wheel shitfaced.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:47 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    I would assume that what Sandusky did falls under the category of child abuse. And I an not sure I follow your loigic with drunk driving. Of course drunk driving is terrible and selfish but it is something that everyone of us risks everyday when we go out on the roadways. I would 100 times out of 100 times rather give my keys to my 16 year old son that know that he was exposed to hte kind of stuff that Sandusky did. 

    And I also seriously question if child deaths due to drunk driving strongly outweighs (or even outweighs for that matter) the number of children who are sexually abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    I would assume that what Sandusky did falls under the category of child abuse. And I an not sure I follow your loigic with drunk driving. Of course drunk driving is terrible and selfish but it is something that everyone of us risks everyday when we go out on the roadways. I would 100 times out of 100 times rather give my keys to my 16 year old son that know that he was exposed to hte kind of stuff that Sandusky did. 

    And I also seriously question if child deaths due to drunk driving strongly outweighs (or even outweighs for that matter) the number of children who are sexually abused.
     
    Barnstorm
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:48 PM ET #32

    Obviously I was lumping all drunk drivers together, including those who kill and those lucky enough to make it home without killing. But lumped together, they do a helluva lot more damage than pedophiles. Just making a point on how we react to this PSU case and yet we do not get all upset and involved considering the carnage done by drunk drivers and incest and child abuse.
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    Obviously I was lumping all drunk drivers together, including those who kill and those lucky enough to make it home without killing. But lumped together, they do a helluva lot more damage than pedophiles. Just making a point on how we react to this PSU case and yet we do not get all upset and involved considering the carnage done by drunk drivers and incest and child abuse.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:48 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    On a more minor note. Please do not say "Just Sayin". It has to be the douchiest expression going these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:


    Incest and child abuse are even worse! These kids are hostage to constant and regular serious abuse at the hands of their very own parents.

    Even drunk drivers may be worse. They are KILLING innocent people, not just giving them a blow job and a computer and football tickets. But we give alcohol a pass. Oh, he was drunk. Bad mistake. He repents and won't do it again. Back on the field or back at his job in a few months.

    Awful as it may sound, you'd be better off with your kid with Jerry Sanducky than in the path of a drunken driver.

    You know how many kids are victims of rape and serious beatings at home and how many innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers?! Bad as pedophiles are, they are dwarfed big time by incest, child abuse and drunk drivers. Where is the outrage for all those tens of thousands of victims.

    Just sayin.'


    On a more minor note. Please do not say "Just Sayin". It has to be the douchiest expression going these days.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:55 PM ET #34

    On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver. (THAT is a worse problem than pedophiles.)

    Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.

    Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.


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    On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver. (THAT is a worse problem than pedophiles.)

    Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.

    Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:58 PM ET #35

    thisguyiswise - great post bro...You captured the essence of this tragedy perfectly...

    LonghornHoosier
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    thisguyiswise - great post bro...You captured the essence of this tragedy perfectly...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 10:59 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    stop wasting time with this CRAP.....
    let's talk FOOTBALL......and win some cash

    OR....since so many here are EAGLE SCOUTS....spend this time making your own community a better place to live

     I'm with BA ....................we all know this is a disgusting & horrific situation, & it won't be forgotten any time soon. Everybody feels bad about it........some worse than others. But what exactly are we accomplishing here by beating it to death?

     I made a wise-crack in another thread........my apologies to the PSU alum here.............it doesn't help matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    stop wasting time with this CRAP.....
    let's talk FOOTBALL......and win some cash

    OR....since so many here are EAGLE SCOUTS....spend this time making your own community a better place to live

     I'm with BA ....................we all know this is a disgusting & horrific situation, & it won't be forgotten any time soon. Everybody feels bad about it........some worse than others. But what exactly are we accomplishing here by beating it to death?

     I made a wise-crack in another thread........my apologies to the PSU alum here.............it doesn't help matters.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 11:02 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I would assume that what Sandusky did falls under the category of child abuse. And I an not sure I follow your loigic with drunk driving. Of course drunk driving is terrible and selfish but it is something that everyone of us risks everyday when we go out on the roadways. I would 100 times out of 100 times rather give my keys to my 16 year old son that know that he was exposed to hte kind of stuff that Sandusky did. 

    And I also seriously question if child deaths due to drunk driving strongly outweighs (or even outweighs for that matter) the number of children who are sexually abused.

    I didn't mean just taking a chance on the roads with drunk drivers here and there. I meant being in the path of one. Or maybe in the car with one.

    And I was referring to all deaths due to drunk drivers, not just child deaths.

    Maybe not the best examples, but you get my point.

    I certainly don't mean to play down the damage Sandusky did. Was just trying to put it in perspective and shed some light on some things going on that are even worse and we don't get so emotional about as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I would assume that what Sandusky did falls under the category of child abuse. And I an not sure I follow your loigic with drunk driving. Of course drunk driving is terrible and selfish but it is something that everyone of us risks everyday when we go out on the roadways. I would 100 times out of 100 times rather give my keys to my 16 year old son that know that he was exposed to hte kind of stuff that Sandusky did. 

    And I also seriously question if child deaths due to drunk driving strongly outweighs (or even outweighs for that matter) the number of children who are sexually abused.

    I didn't mean just taking a chance on the roads with drunk drivers here and there. I meant being in the path of one. Or maybe in the car with one.

    And I was referring to all deaths due to drunk drivers, not just child deaths.

    Maybe not the best examples, but you get my point.

    I certainly don't mean to play down the damage Sandusky did. Was just trying to put it in perspective and shed some light on some things going on that are even worse and we don't get so emotional about as this.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 11:05 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver. (THAT is a worse problem than pedophiles.)

    Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.

    Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.



    You sir are a mental midget - yes and idiot... let me try to explain in terms you MAY comprehend... but I have my doubts.

    A drunk driver ( the garden variety, not the habitual) is a man or woman that makes a mistake in judgement.  They drive when they should have not, and they get caught.

    A pedophile is a calculating criminal that destroys lives.  And he (she in some cases) knows what they are doing.

    Since you like to cite stats, let's go with that a bit... It is estimated that for every pedophile that is caught and convicted, there are 1000 that are not.  Furthermore, it is well known that the victims of such crimes suffer insurmountable life changing damage.

    Do you really want to try to justify such a ridiculous statement?  You are embarrassing yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver. (THAT is a worse problem than pedophiles.)

    Three in every ten Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related crash at some point in their lives.

    Of fatal accidents in 2009, 32 percent involved alcohol-impaired drivers.



    You sir are a mental midget - yes and idiot... let me try to explain in terms you MAY comprehend... but I have my doubts.

    A drunk driver ( the garden variety, not the habitual) is a man or woman that makes a mistake in judgement.  They drive when they should have not, and they get caught.

    A pedophile is a calculating criminal that destroys lives.  And he (she in some cases) knows what they are doing.

    Since you like to cite stats, let's go with that a bit... It is estimated that for every pedophile that is caught and convicted, there are 1000 that are not.  Furthermore, it is well known that the victims of such crimes suffer insurmountable life changing damage.

    Do you really want to try to justify such a ridiculous statement?  You are embarrassing yourself
     
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2012 - 11:18 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You sir are a mental midget - yes and idiot... let me try to explain in terms you MAY comprehend... but I have my doubts.

    A drunk driver ( the garden variety, not the habitual) is a man or woman that makes a mistake in judgement.  They drive when they should have not, and they get caught.

    A pedophile is a calculating criminal that destroys lives.  And he (she in some cases) knows what they are doing.

    Since you like to cite stats, let's go with that a bit... It is estimated that for every pedophile that is caught and convicted, there are 1000 that are not.  Furthermore, it is well known that the victims of such crimes suffer insurmountable life changing damage.

    Do you really want to try to justify such a ridiculous statement?  You are embarrassing yourself

    You are giving drunk drivers a pass for getting behind the wheel drunk where they become a killing machine. Ooops, just an error in judgement. Sorry, I was drunk. Forgive me.

    And I was in no way giving a pedophile a pass. I agree with you that they are calculating, etc.

    I wasn't trying to say any one drunk driver is worse than a pedophile. I was trying to say drunk driving is a more serious problem taken as a whole, but we get more emotional about the pedophile than the drunk driver who kills.

    I accept your point that there are a lot more sexual abuse cases that never get reported, just as there are a lot more incest and child abuse cases that do not get reported. And some pedophiles kill.

    All of these are bad. I'll drop it.

    I am in agreement that this PSU tragedy is very bad. First Sandusky's behavior and now the revelations that Paterno and Co. covered up for him and let him continue and didn't protect the kids - just to save "the Program." Disgusting.

    Joe didn't even confront Sandusky and tell him to knock it off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You sir are a mental midget - yes and idiot... let me try to explain in terms you MAY comprehend... but I have my doubts.

    A drunk driver ( the garden variety, not the habitual) is a man or woman that makes a mistake in judgement.  They drive when they should have not, and they get caught.

    A pedophile is a calculating criminal that destroys lives.  And he (she in some cases) knows what they are doing.

    Since you like to cite stats, let's go with that a bit... It is estimated that for every pedophile that is caught and convicted, there are 1000 that are not.  Furthermore, it is well known that the victims of such crimes suffer insurmountable life changing damage.

    Do you really want to try to justify such a ridiculous statement?  You are embarrassing yourself

    You are giving drunk drivers a pass for getting behind the wheel drunk where they become a killing machine. Ooops, just an error in judgement. Sorry, I was drunk. Forgive me.

    And I was in no way giving a pedophile a pass. I agree with you that they are calculating, etc.

    I wasn't trying to say any one drunk driver is worse than a pedophile. I was trying to say drunk driving is a more serious problem taken as a whole, but we get more emotional about the pedophile than the drunk driver who kills.

    I accept your point that there are a lot more sexual abuse cases that never get reported, just as there are a lot more incest and child abuse cases that do not get reported. And some pedophiles kill.

    All of these are bad. I'll drop it.

    I am in agreement that this PSU tragedy is very bad. First Sandusky's behavior and now the revelations that Paterno and Co. covered up for him and let him continue and didn't protect the kids - just to save "the Program." Disgusting.

    Joe didn't even confront Sandusky and tell him to knock it off!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You sir are deflecting the issue... I think you totally miss the point.  I direct you to your bathroom mirror.

    After that, I suggest you look at my post I just made... I just stated that 99% of the PSU faithful are decent people that know this is sickening.  You sir seem to be the 1% that insist on defending.  Shame on you

    lol no they don't, go read all of their boards it is filled with thousands of people that think none of this actually happened at all. 99% of them don't think anything actually happened with Paterno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    You sir are deflecting the issue... I think you totally miss the point.  I direct you to your bathroom mirror.

    After that, I suggest you look at my post I just made... I just stated that 99% of the PSU faithful are decent people that know this is sickening.  You sir seem to be the 1% that insist on defending.  Shame on you

    lol no they don't, go read all of their boards it is filled with thousands of people that think none of this actually happened at all. 99% of them don't think anything actually happened with Paterno.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2012 - 1:26 PM ET #41

    More aware of child rape Penn statey??? gimme a break!!! I dont care about Penn state or the stupid fans of Penn state, Joepa KNEW, NOONE FEELS GOOD ABOUT THIS!!! It is the most atrocious crime in NCAA History, but i really hope you get to keep our football!!
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    More aware of child rape Penn statey??? gimme a break!!! I dont care about Penn state or the stupid fans of Penn state, Joepa KNEW, NOONE FEELS GOOD ABOUT THIS!!! It is the most atrocious crime in NCAA History, but i really hope you get to keep our football!!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2012 - 1:28 PM ET #42

    you will get to keep you Penn state football! have fun with that!

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    you will get to keep you Penn state football! have fun with that!

     
     
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    JoePa was there too long, and he was made into a GOD LIKE figure..Legacy gone and NO PENALITES WILL be given!! If there are penalities the school can move on; no penalties and it will LINGER. The Penn State culture allowed a Janitor, an asst coach and hs dad the head coach ad all those involved to PUT FOOTBALL ABOVE ALL ELSE, AND wanted to handle this "in house" WHAT EXACTLY HAS PENN STATE LEARNED FROM ALL THIS?????????? WHY DO THEY EEP SAYING THEY HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS???? REALLY, IM GLAD JOEPA IS DEAD I HOPE SANDUSKY IS CLOSE IN FOLLOWING!
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    JoePa was there too long, and he was made into a GOD LIKE figure..Legacy gone and NO PENALITES WILL be given!! If there are penalities the school can move on; no penalties and it will LINGER. The Penn State culture allowed a Janitor, an asst coach and hs dad the head coach ad all those involved to PUT FOOTBALL ABOVE ALL ELSE, AND wanted to handle this "in house" WHAT EXACTLY HAS PENN STATE LEARNED FROM ALL THIS?????????? WHY DO THEY EEP SAYING THEY HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS???? REALLY, IM GLAD JOEPA IS DEAD I HOPE SANDUSKY IS CLOSE IN FOLLOWING!
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