This Wisconsin team which I love will miss Jon Leuer tonight more then it has all year. Mich St is all about rebounding and without Leuer under the boards I think state will have a big advantage. This game is going to be very close due to Wisconsins elevated play at home which Bo always gets out of all his teams. I agree with UNC on a no play. Wisconsin is - 2 at the moment I would pound Mich st at +3.5 small play if It goes to +3 ! That is my take on this ESPN game which we all would love to play ! LOL !
Good Luck to all !
then buy a point and half and pound it
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Quote Originally Posted by Kirkpicard:
UNC and any Wisconsin backers.
This Wisconsin team which I love will miss Jon Leuer tonight more then it has all year. Mich St is all about rebounding and without Leuer under the boards I think state will have a big advantage. This game is going to be very close due to Wisconsins elevated play at home which Bo always gets out of all his teams. I agree with UNC on a no play. Wisconsin is - 2 at the moment I would pound Mich st at +3.5 small play if It goes to +3 ! That is my take on this ESPN game which we all would love to play ! LOL !
nice thread guys. I'm still leaning under, I think stl cards fan has some good insight. All this talk and math are already factored into that line. The teams can still hit their respective avg points for and go under. Other than that, impressive research by both sides. Definitely a good debate that should make for a great game tonight.
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nice thread guys. I'm still leaning under, I think stl cards fan has some good insight. All this talk and math are already factored into that line. The teams can still hit their respective avg points for and go under. Other than that, impressive research by both sides. Definitely a good debate that should make for a great game tonight.
my book has kstate at -2.5, it looks good to me. I thought Kansas would easily cover the 4 this wkd, especially as Pullen had a miserable first half, boy was I surprised to see him and the bench light it up in the second half. any thoughts?
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my book has kstate at -2.5, it looks good to me. I thought Kansas would easily cover the 4 this wkd, especially as Pullen had a miserable first half, boy was I surprised to see him and the bench light it up in the second half. any thoughts?
MSU is road warriors and I will have to wait until I see what Bense before I push this one more but think about it. If WISC does not play a complete game, has guys not stepping up out of there roles, or even going a 5 minute drought could be a nightmare. MSU will capital on these mistakes. WISC did everything right agaisnt PU and still came up short even though it was a road game they still came up short. I think if anything this line set up even more value now to hit MSU. Like I said i have to look more into this one now.
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:
MSU is road warriors and I will have to wait until I see what Bense before I push this one more but think about it. If WISC does not play a complete game, has guys not stepping up out of there roles, or even going a 5 minute drought could be a nightmare. MSU will capital on these mistakes. WISC did everything right agaisnt PU and still came up short even though it was a road game they still came up short. I think if anything this line set up even more value now to hit MSU. Like I said i have to look more into this one now.
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
I got somewhere on this thread but MSU is 17-1 i think when outrebounding there opponent.
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Quote Originally Posted by oilerhoops1420:
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
I got somewhere on this thread but MSU is 17-1 i think when outrebounding there opponent.
I got somewhere on this thread but MSU is 17-1 i think when outrebounding there opponent.
Yea, I caught up and saw those stats you posted on Mich St. I was just shocked to see how bad Wisc been on the boards since losing Leuer. Lucas vs. Hughes is a nice battle. Hughes been struggling with his stroke a bit as well. Tough to pull the trigger vs Bo Ryan at home but might have a small play.
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Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:
I got somewhere on this thread but MSU is 17-1 i think when outrebounding there opponent.
Yea, I caught up and saw those stats you posted on Mich St. I was just shocked to see how bad Wisc been on the boards since losing Leuer. Lucas vs. Hughes is a nice battle. Hughes been struggling with his stroke a bit as well. Tough to pull the trigger vs Bo Ryan at home but might have a small play.
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
Don't have an opinion on this game, but here are the rebounding stats I found since they lost Leuer:
1/13 NW 26 rebs, Wisky 34 (road)
1/16 OH ST 24 rebs, Whisky 26 (road)
1/20 MICH 33 rebs, Whisky 32 (home)
1/24 Penn St 33 rebs, whisky 23 (home)
1/28 Purdue 34, Whisky 20 (road)
A definite trend here, but it's been gradual. Not an immediate dropoff after they lost Leuer.
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Quote Originally Posted by oilerhoops1420:
Might be late to the party on this, but look at Wisc's rebounding stats since losing Luhr. They are getting pounded on the boards which just happens to be Mich St's #1 strength. Home should make a little difference in terms of collecting the marginal, hustle rebounds but it could be a struggle for Wiskie. Plus, they are only shooting 40% their last 5 games in B10. I'm leaning Mich St. but that would break my rule to never bet against Wisc @ Wisc.
Don't have an opinion on this game, but here are the rebounding stats I found since they lost Leuer:
1/13 NW 26 rebs, Wisky 34 (road)
1/16 OH ST 24 rebs, Whisky 26 (road)
1/20 MICH 33 rebs, Whisky 32 (home)
1/24 Penn St 33 rebs, whisky 23 (home)
1/28 Purdue 34, Whisky 20 (road)
A definite trend here, but it's been gradual. Not an immediate dropoff after they lost Leuer.
For one thing... I dont think you have any clue how quick PC plays up and down the court (5th in the country in possessions per game). Against a team like Cuse who will run with them, theres a chance of 80 possessions per team. Not only that, but PC's defense is absolutely horrible. In 9 Big East games, they've given up 90+ 5 times. The only teams that didn't are teams that struggled offensively and are at the bottom of the standings: St. Johns, Depaul, UConn and Rutgers. Even Rutgers managed 81 against them. But you really think Syracuse is gonna just score 80?
As for PC not breaking 70... very unlikely to happen. They've scored under 70 just ONCE in 21 games.
"Cuse will limit PC under 70 without a doubt"
I know you guys think your team is the best team ever as you do every year, but PC has the 26th best offense efficiency in the country. They aren't just some pushover on offense.
Oh ya, not to mention, PC is 10th in the country in offensive rebounding %, while Syracuse is 225th in defensive rebounding %. You don't think PC is gonna be able to dominate the boards? Another strength of Syracuse's defense is a strength of PC's offense. Syracuse is 42nd in forcing TOs in the country... PC is the 13th best in holding on to the ball.
167 is a ton of points... but I'd actually lean to the over.
I see a score of 95-80 Syracuse.
I do agree on the Lean on the OVer..Was going to be my only play today
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Quote Originally Posted by BrianLaverty:
Cuse will only score 80?
And theres no way PC scores 70?
Wow.. gotta love Cuse fans.
For one thing... I dont think you have any clue how quick PC plays up and down the court (5th in the country in possessions per game). Against a team like Cuse who will run with them, theres a chance of 80 possessions per team. Not only that, but PC's defense is absolutely horrible. In 9 Big East games, they've given up 90+ 5 times. The only teams that didn't are teams that struggled offensively and are at the bottom of the standings: St. Johns, Depaul, UConn and Rutgers. Even Rutgers managed 81 against them. But you really think Syracuse is gonna just score 80?
As for PC not breaking 70... very unlikely to happen. They've scored under 70 just ONCE in 21 games.
"Cuse will limit PC under 70 without a doubt"
I know you guys think your team is the best team ever as you do every year, but PC has the 26th best offense efficiency in the country. They aren't just some pushover on offense.
Oh ya, not to mention, PC is 10th in the country in offensive rebounding %, while Syracuse is 225th in defensive rebounding %. You don't think PC is gonna be able to dominate the boards? Another strength of Syracuse's defense is a strength of PC's offense. Syracuse is 42nd in forcing TOs in the country... PC is the 13th best in holding on to the ball.
167 is a ton of points... but I'd actually lean to the over.
I see a score of 95-80 Syracuse.
I do agree on the Lean on the OVer..Was going to be my only play today
HAHA when I went to put it in my book went from 167.5 to 168.5 thats why its says CORRECTION.
Buying under 168.5 to under 169 seems to be really strong poker - do you have a formula that tells you when to buy points for maximum expected value? That's gotta be a profitable move in the long run on totals lined so high, I can understand why you are eager to lay the extra wood!
UNCFisGOD
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Quote Originally Posted by UNCforever:
HAHA when I went to put it in my book went from 167.5 to 168.5 thats why its says CORRECTION.
Buying under 168.5 to under 169 seems to be really strong poker - do you have a formula that tells you when to buy points for maximum expected value? That's gotta be a profitable move in the long run on totals lined so high, I can understand why you are eager to lay the extra wood!
UNC - Leaning MSU also, but don't you feel the under is the better play in this game? I see this game being a battle (like the first time they met) and Bo Ryan knows his only way in winning this game to limit MSU's possessions.
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UNC - Leaning MSU also, but don't you feel the under is the better play in this game? I see this game being a battle (like the first time they met) and Bo Ryan knows his only way in winning this game to limit MSU's possessions.
Buying under 168.5 to under 169 seems to be really strong poker - do you have a formula that tells you when to buy points for maximum expected value? That's gotta be a profitable move in the long run on totals lined so high, I can understand why you are eager to lay the extra wood!
UNCFisGOD
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Quote Originally Posted by UNCFisGOD:
Buying under 168.5 to under 169 seems to be really strong poker - do you have a formula that tells you when to buy points for maximum expected value? That's gotta be a profitable move in the long run on totals lined so high, I can understand why you are eager to lay the extra wood!
why do people like wisconsin so much, they not even that good, im putting my money on mich st. at least they know how to come back to win the game even tho when they down on the road and to do that you have to be a good team and mich st is a good team. give me the 2pts anyday. gl
Wisconsin WILL go to the Final Four this year - Mark my words
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Quote Originally Posted by Mienballer03:
why do people like wisconsin so much, they not even that good, im putting my money on mich st. at least they know how to come back to win the game even tho when they down on the road and to do that you have to be a good team and mich st is a good team. give me the 2pts anyday. gl
Wisconsin WILL go to the Final Four this year - Mark my words
Wisconsin WILL go to the Final Four this year - Mark my words
Give me some of what that guy is smoking. This is one of the worst Wisconsin teams since Bo Ryan got there. They play hard and are scrappy but wouldn't stand a chance against athletic teams like Texas, Kansas, or Kentucky. I won't be marking those words.
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Quote Originally Posted by iLLaDELF:
Wisconsin WILL go to the Final Four this year - Mark my words
Give me some of what that guy is smoking. This is one of the worst Wisconsin teams since Bo Ryan got there. They play hard and are scrappy but wouldn't stand a chance against athletic teams like Texas, Kansas, or Kentucky. I won't be marking those words.
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