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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 1:36 AM ET #401

    Two of the most skewed lines I've seen on this card are Kansas st. laying 9 to Loyola Chicago whose 8-3 but that is deceiving.  The opponents that they've beaten... yeah, their combined record is 24-47 and all have losing records except for E. Kentucky at 5-4.  Their two losses are to Butler and to Valpo and lost to Valpo at home by 10.... call me crazy, but I think Kansas st. is better than Valpo and has played some tough games on the road (or neutral).

    The second one is Portland laying 5.5 to Denver.  Portland is a pretty damn decent team with their only losses to Wash st and Washington on the road and Kentucky at home.  That's a pretty fair SOS if you ask me and they actually would have covered against Washington if they hadn't imploded and the foul monster went crazy at the end of the game.  Denver on the other hand, has two big wins against a 0-8 and a 3-6 squad.  Not exactly killin em.  Stats don't match up at all either... Denver lives by the 3 pointer and their rank is actually pretty good (46) but Portland's is better (5).  Both are pretty bad at 3pt defense (Portland at 230 and Denver much worse at 331) and at FG defense (Portland at 226 and Denver again lower at 319).  You have to take into account that Portland has played a WAY tougher schedule when looking at those defensive numbers though.  To make matters worse... Portland is ranked 62 in FG% while Denver is ranked at 211.  Finally, second chance points or keeping the other team from getting them... rebounding.  Denver ranks 320 and Portland 96.  Honestly, this stinks of a blowout and surprised by only a 5.5 point line on a pretty decent Portland team vs a BAD Denver team.  I don't know... maybe I'm crazy but what do you think??

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    Two of the most skewed lines I've seen on this card are Kansas st. laying 9 to Loyola Chicago whose 8-3 but that is deceiving.  The opponents that they've beaten... yeah, their combined record is 24-47 and all have losing records except for E. Kentucky at 5-4.  Their two losses are to Butler and to Valpo and lost to Valpo at home by 10.... call me crazy, but I think Kansas st. is better than Valpo and has played some tough games on the road (or neutral).

    The second one is Portland laying 5.5 to Denver.  Portland is a pretty damn decent team with their only losses to Wash st and Washington on the road and Kentucky at home.  That's a pretty fair SOS if you ask me and they actually would have covered against Washington if they hadn't imploded and the foul monster went crazy at the end of the game.  Denver on the other hand, has two big wins against a 0-8 and a 3-6 squad.  Not exactly killin em.  Stats don't match up at all either... Denver lives by the 3 pointer and their rank is actually pretty good (46) but Portland's is better (5).  Both are pretty bad at 3pt defense (Portland at 230 and Denver much worse at 331) and at FG defense (Portland at 226 and Denver again lower at 319).  You have to take into account that Portland has played a WAY tougher schedule when looking at those defensive numbers though.  To make matters worse... Portland is ranked 62 in FG% while Denver is ranked at 211.  Finally, second chance points or keeping the other team from getting them... rebounding.  Denver ranks 320 and Portland 96.  Honestly, this stinks of a blowout and surprised by only a 5.5 point line on a pretty decent Portland team vs a BAD Denver team.  I don't know... maybe I'm crazy but what do you think??

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 1:46 AM ET #402

    Firefiter,    Got Port. underlined and like Kan. St. this year but didn't dig as deep as you did on that game. Sounds like solid handicapping.

    Gonna check your post a little closer. Thanks.

    GL,   Doc

     

     

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    Firefiter,    Got Port. underlined and like Kan. St. this year but didn't dig as deep as you did on that game. Sounds like solid handicapping.

    Gonna check your post a little closer. Thanks.

    GL,   Doc

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 4:49 AM ET #404

    wow, I am surprised Dayton didn't make it onto you card somehow, nropp...

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    Pretty Spot on with both, just not in my blood to back chalk on the road this high. If KSU covers, it's going to be because of an inside game I believe. KSU has the better, more talented guards, but Loyola shut the guards down in last year's meeting despite a big loss. Loyola CHI also started four, sometimes five freshman last year. The game should be determined by the post-play. Three interesting things came into play. 1) Pullen returns to his hometown, 2) Loyola lost Hicks for a few months with a broken ankle (tough loss in the paint for Loyola and this will be their first game without him), and 3) Kansas State goes to Florida next.

    As for the Denver game, the only thing that would concern me with all the stats you pointed out is playing in altitude against the slowest team in the Nation will offset some of the statistical advantages. Teams coming into Denver are only ATTEMPTING 39 shots a game. That's just an unbelievable statistic. Utah State came in here a week ago and only got up 33 shots for the game. It just so happens they shot 54% and were able to come away with a 8 point victory, so they key is not only defending the princeton style offense, but getting up good quality shots when the opportunity is there.

    I'm not disagreeing with either of these, just offering some counter-arguments for the other side.

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    Pretty Spot on with both, just not in my blood to back chalk on the road this high. If KSU covers, it's going to be because of an inside game I believe. KSU has the better, more talented guards, but Loyola shut the guards down in last year's meeting despite a big loss. Loyola CHI also started four, sometimes five freshman last year. The game should be determined by the post-play. Three interesting things came into play. 1) Pullen returns to his hometown, 2) Loyola lost Hicks for a few months with a broken ankle (tough loss in the paint for Loyola and this will be their first game without him), and 3) Kansas State goes to Florida next.

    As for the Denver game, the only thing that would concern me with all the stats you pointed out is playing in altitude against the slowest team in the Nation will offset some of the statistical advantages. Teams coming into Denver are only ATTEMPTING 39 shots a game. That's just an unbelievable statistic. Utah State came in here a week ago and only got up 33 shots for the game. It just so happens they shot 54% and were able to come away with a 8 point victory, so they key is not only defending the princeton style offense, but getting up good quality shots when the opportunity is there.

    I'm not disagreeing with either of these, just offering some counter-arguments for the other side.

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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 8:15 AM ET #406

    Quote Originally Posted by lineguesser:

    wow, I am surprised Dayton didn't make it onto you card somehow, nropp...

    GL

    The ten seemed high, but they've been awful and haven't found a supporting cast for Wright quite yet. Defense has not been as great as it has been the past few years, and ODU with revenge. Dayton has a brutal schedule coming up the next two weeks that features a three game in five days, and a few really really good teams after that. Might be a better spot. They've been practicing without their starting PG (Staten), so I don't expect the defensive woes to be fixed overnight, although Staten is expected back. Old Dominion will allow Wright to play his typical game, but the rest of the four will clamp down on everyone else and shut them down. ODU's success has relied on letting the opposing star get his, we'll shut down everyone else, and it usually works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lineguesser:

    wow, I am surprised Dayton didn't make it onto you card somehow, nropp...

    GL

    The ten seemed high, but they've been awful and haven't found a supporting cast for Wright quite yet. Defense has not been as great as it has been the past few years, and ODU with revenge. Dayton has a brutal schedule coming up the next two weeks that features a three game in five days, and a few really really good teams after that. Might be a better spot. They've been practicing without their starting PG (Staten), so I don't expect the defensive woes to be fixed overnight, although Staten is expected back. Old Dominion will allow Wright to play his typical game, but the rest of the four will clamp down on everyone else and shut them down. ODU's success has relied on letting the opposing star get his, we'll shut down everyone else, and it usually works.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 8:22 AM ET #407

    Quote Originally Posted by winner2:

    can you explain this wisconsin one a little more i dont quite understand your post from above.. sorry

    Might have a better explanation of both Marquette and Milwaukee in the November thread, but basically, Milwaukee is a lesser athletic version of Marquette. Both feature decent guards and little height. Wisconsin exposed Milwaukee this past week by going inside. They should do the same today. Marquette might be quicker, but the physical edge goes to Wisconsin. Bo Ryan's had the luxury of practicing for two similar teams within a week's span. Marquette doesn't really have anybody to match up with Leuer, and Wisconsin is at it's best when it plays high-tempo teams it can slow down with it's defense and pace and get them out of their norm.

    If Marquette scores the 80 it's averaging, this is probably a loss. Just don't think they get remotely close. They lost their only other two games against top 50 programs this year, so hopefully it continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner2:

    can you explain this wisconsin one a little more i dont quite understand your post from above.. sorry

    Might have a better explanation of both Marquette and Milwaukee in the November thread, but basically, Milwaukee is a lesser athletic version of Marquette. Both feature decent guards and little height. Wisconsin exposed Milwaukee this past week by going inside. They should do the same today. Marquette might be quicker, but the physical edge goes to Wisconsin. Bo Ryan's had the luxury of practicing for two similar teams within a week's span. Marquette doesn't really have anybody to match up with Leuer, and Wisconsin is at it's best when it plays high-tempo teams it can slow down with it's defense and pace and get them out of their norm.

    If Marquette scores the 80 it's averaging, this is probably a loss. Just don't think they get remotely close. They lost their only other two games against top 50 programs this year, so hopefully it continues.

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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 8:42 AM ET #408

    super card with alot of research and fact. Why is 83% of pub on okie state?
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    super card with alot of research and fact. Why is 83% of pub on okie state?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2010 - 9:15 AM ET #409

    hey nropp dont like arky little rock getting 8? seems kind of nice
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    Good luck today Ropp.  Really like your card.  Off of your card I really like:  UNLV, Wisky, So Illinois, Missouri St.  I'm tailing you on Fla Atlantic.

    I added (and wouldn't mind hearing your opinion if you have one on these games and have an extra few minutes this morning): TCU, Ark Little Rock, UMass, Arizona.

    I also lean to Texas A&M and Richmond but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

     

    I've got a good feeling about today...

     

     

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    Good luck today Ropp.  Really like your card.  Off of your card I really like:  UNLV, Wisky, So Illinois, Missouri St.  I'm tailing you on Fla Atlantic.

    I added (and wouldn't mind hearing your opinion if you have one on these games and have an extra few minutes this morning): TCU, Ark Little Rock, UMass, Arizona.

    I also lean to Texas A&M and Richmond but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

     

    I've got a good feeling about today...

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:

    12/11 Notes: Line Projections only…

    Saint Louis +24
    Duke -24
    UNLV +1
    Louisville -1
    Auburn +14
    Rutgers -14
    Texas Christian +6
    Nebraska -6
    Wis.-Green Bay +6
    Buffalo -6
    Detroit -9
    Eastern Mich +9
    Southern Ill +5
    Western Kent -5
    Alabama +9
    Providence -9
    Wisconsin -2
    Marquette +2
    Mississippi -2
    Arkansas-LR +2

    St. Louis has had a boatload of time to prepare for Duke, curious to see how they defend the three-ball in a morning setting. They will struggle to score and should be a defensive focused ballgame. UNLV had a disappointing effort last game, but I’m sure much of that can be attributed to building a lead and letting it sleep b/c you realize you go to Louisville for the next game on the schedule. Revenge game for Louisville, although UNLV did win here in 2008. Big difference in traveling east and playing a 6pm tip to traveling east and playing a morning tip. Morning game probably going to keep me on the sidelines here but should be a great matchup and UNLV should bring EXTRA focus. Teams are pretty even in terms of personnel. Rutgers laying a lot of points scares me. TCU looks to continue their winning ways on the 2nd game of a roady, while Nebraska has been home for a while. Detroit continues their Western/Eastern/Central Michigan road trip. This Southern Illinois/Western Kentucky matchup use to be a lot more entertaining when both squads had a lot more talent. I like the spot for the Salukis here, they matchup extremely well with experience and WKU is missing it’s guard presence that it has had for the past few years. Revenge spot for WKU but they lost at Southern last year with a much better team. Southern’s essentially the same outfit. Earlier in the year I when Wisconsin MKE played Marquette, I alluded to MKE having very little inside presence which was actually a good matchup for them. Wisconsin’s gameplan against MKE will be the same gameplan they employ against Marquette on Saturday. Pretty good spot for Wisconsin I think with a big advantage at one of their strength. Pretty big name for Arkansas Little Rock to be playing at home. They’ve won outright as dogs against Illinois State and Tulsa already this year at home and in a similar spot last year with a big name coming in, they actually held a lead on Memphis at the half....


    Good morning NRopp...great work as always. I am not against your Southern Illinois play but was wondering about why you think this is basically the same Southern Illinois outfit. They lost 3 of their top 5 scorers from last season in Dillard, Booker and Tony Freeman and this is their first true road game outside of the State of Illinois this season. Bowling Green, Kentucky is a tough place to play. Are these concerns for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:

    12/11 Notes: Line Projections only…

    Saint Louis +24
    Duke -24
    UNLV +1
    Louisville -1
    Auburn +14
    Rutgers -14
    Texas Christian +6
    Nebraska -6
    Wis.-Green Bay +6
    Buffalo -6
    Detroit -9
    Eastern Mich +9
    Southern Ill +5
    Western Kent -5
    Alabama +9
    Providence -9
    Wisconsin -2
    Marquette +2
    Mississippi -2
    Arkansas-LR +2

    St. Louis has had a boatload of time to prepare for Duke, curious to see how they defend the three-ball in a morning setting. They will struggle to score and should be a defensive focused ballgame. UNLV had a disappointing effort last game, but I’m sure much of that can be attributed to building a lead and letting it sleep b/c you realize you go to Louisville for the next game on the schedule. Revenge game for Louisville, although UNLV did win here in 2008. Big difference in traveling east and playing a 6pm tip to traveling east and playing a morning tip. Morning game probably going to keep me on the sidelines here but should be a great matchup and UNLV should bring EXTRA focus. Teams are pretty even in terms of personnel. Rutgers laying a lot of points scares me. TCU looks to continue their winning ways on the 2nd game of a roady, while Nebraska has been home for a while. Detroit continues their Western/Eastern/Central Michigan road trip. This Southern Illinois/Western Kentucky matchup use to be a lot more entertaining when both squads had a lot more talent. I like the spot for the Salukis here, they matchup extremely well with experience and WKU is missing it’s guard presence that it has had for the past few years. Revenge spot for WKU but they lost at Southern last year with a much better team. Southern’s essentially the same outfit. Earlier in the year I when Wisconsin MKE played Marquette, I alluded to MKE having very little inside presence which was actually a good matchup for them. Wisconsin’s gameplan against MKE will be the same gameplan they employ against Marquette on Saturday. Pretty good spot for Wisconsin I think with a big advantage at one of their strength. Pretty big name for Arkansas Little Rock to be playing at home. They’ve won outright as dogs against Illinois State and Tulsa already this year at home and in a similar spot last year with a big name coming in, they actually held a lead on Memphis at the half....


    Good morning NRopp...great work as always. I am not against your Southern Illinois play but was wondering about why you think this is basically the same Southern Illinois outfit. They lost 3 of their top 5 scorers from last season in Dillard, Booker and Tony Freeman and this is their first true road game outside of the State of Illinois this season. Bowling Green, Kentucky is a tough place to play. Are these concerns for you?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:

    12/11 Notes: Summed up all these games somewhere in this thread...


    Wisconsin +1 (3 Units)
    Florida Atlantic +2 (2 Units)
    Washington/Texas A&M Over 149.5 (2 Units)
    Missouri State +3 (1 Unit)
    UNLV +4 (1 Unit)
    Southern Illinois +5.5 (1 Unit)

    DNP: Murray State -5, New Mexico State/New Mexico Under 143, STL/Duke Under 132.5

    Waiting for lines on:

    Total (Ole Miss/Arkansas LR)
    Total (Long Beach State/UNC)
    Total (Morehead State/UNI)
    Total (Arizona/BYU)
    Sides (Oakland)

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    12/11 Final:


    Wisconsin +1 (3 Units)
    Florida Atlantic +2 (2 Units)
    Washington/Texas A&M Over 149.5 (2 Units)
    Missouri State +3 (1 Unit)
    UNLV +4 (1 Unit)
    Southern Illinois +5.5 (1 Unit)

    DNP: Murray State -5, New Mexico State/New Mexico Under 143, STL/Duke Under 132.5, Long Beach State/UNC Over 146.5, Morehead State/Northern Iowa Under 115, Ole Miss/Arky LR Over 142.5

    Out for the day...

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    12/11 Notes: Summed up all these games somewhere in this thread...


    Wisconsin +1 (3 Units)
    Florida Atlantic +2 (2 Units)
    Washington/Texas A&M Over 149.5 (2 Units)
    Missouri State +3 (1 Unit)
    UNLV +4 (1 Unit)
    Southern Illinois +5.5 (1 Unit)

    DNP: Murray State -5, New Mexico State/New Mexico Under 143, STL/Duke Under 132.5

    Waiting for lines on:

    Total (Ole Miss/Arkansas LR)
    Total (Long Beach State/UNC)
    Total (Morehead State/UNI)
    Total (Arizona/BYU)
    Sides (Oakland)

    GL

    12/11 Final:


    Wisconsin +1 (3 Units)
    Florida Atlantic +2 (2 Units)
    Washington/Texas A&M Over 149.5 (2 Units)
    Missouri State +3 (1 Unit)
    UNLV +4 (1 Unit)
    Southern Illinois +5.5 (1 Unit)

    DNP: Murray State -5, New Mexico State/New Mexico Under 143, STL/Duke Under 132.5, Long Beach State/UNC Over 146.5, Morehead State/Northern Iowa Under 115, Ole Miss/Arky LR Over 142.5

    Out for the day...

    GL
     
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    Good morning NRopp...great work as always. I am not against your Southern Illinois play but was wondering about why you think this is basically the same Southern Illinois outfit. They lost 3 of their top 5 scorers from last season in Dillard, Booker and Tony Freeman and this is their first true road game outside of the State of Illinois this season. Bowling Green, Kentucky is a tough place to play. Are these concerns for you?

    Not much of a dropoff in Dillard/Booker/Freeman to Fay/Bocot/Teague. Bocot hasn't shown even an ounce of what he can do yet. Team's been built around Fay last few year's, other player just fill their roles. Not high on WKU at all this year, very little guard presence which is a drastic difference from past years. Tough place to play, absolutely. Just a very different WKU team than in past years and slightly over-valued in my opinion.
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    Good morning NRopp...great work as always. I am not against your Southern Illinois play but was wondering about why you think this is basically the same Southern Illinois outfit. They lost 3 of their top 5 scorers from last season in Dillard, Booker and Tony Freeman and this is their first true road game outside of the State of Illinois this season. Bowling Green, Kentucky is a tough place to play. Are these concerns for you?

    Not much of a dropoff in Dillard/Booker/Freeman to Fay/Bocot/Teague. Bocot hasn't shown even an ounce of what he can do yet. Team's been built around Fay last few year's, other player just fill their roles. Not high on WKU at all this year, very little guard presence which is a drastic difference from past years. Tough place to play, absolutely. Just a very different WKU team than in past years and slightly over-valued in my opinion.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameswashington:

    hey nropp dont like arky little rock getting 8? seems kind of nice

    Would be the only way I can go in that game...besides the over. Little worried about past history suggesting adrenaline high in first half and complete collapse in 2H with a big name school coming in.
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    hey nropp dont like arky little rock getting 8? seems kind of nice

    Would be the only way I can go in that game...besides the over. Little worried about past history suggesting adrenaline high in first half and complete collapse in 2H with a big name school coming in.
     
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    Good points on both.  The loss of Hicks in the Loyola/K st game makes me like it even more!  Of course the Florida on deck thing kinda sucks but with so much pointing in their favor it will literally take "one of those games" for it not to be a blowout so I think it looks good.  As for Denver... yeah, that pace does suck... bad.  I think that Portland can handle it though and the numbers match up well.  As for the altitude... well, I lived there for a few years and I didn't find it bad, but I lived there, LOL!  I think the slow pace actually takes away from that advantage though... if teams are running and gunning they are going to get winded faster but at the pace you mentioned they are actually just playing a nice slow paced game and shouldn't get too tired... I hope
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    Good points on both.  The loss of Hicks in the Loyola/K st game makes me like it even more!  Of course the Florida on deck thing kinda sucks but with so much pointing in their favor it will literally take "one of those games" for it not to be a blowout so I think it looks good.  As for Denver... yeah, that pace does suck... bad.  I think that Portland can handle it though and the numbers match up well.  As for the altitude... well, I lived there for a few years and I didn't find it bad, but I lived there, LOL!  I think the slow pace actually takes away from that advantage though... if teams are running and gunning they are going to get winded faster but at the pace you mentioned they are actually just playing a nice slow paced game and shouldn't get too tired... I hope
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MENACE:

    Good luck today Ropp.  Really like your card.  Off of your card I really like:  UNLV, Wisky, So Illinois, Missouri St.  I'm tailing you on Fla Atlantic.

    I added (and wouldn't mind hearing your opinion if you have one on these games and have an extra few minutes this morning): TCU, Ark Little Rock, UMass, Arizona.

    I also lean to Texas A&M and Richmond but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

     

    I've got a good feeling about today...

     

     


    I would lean to every team you mentioned aside from Arizona. Hotter team in that matchup will come out ahead, should be a ton of points. 
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    Good luck today Ropp.  Really like your card.  Off of your card I really like:  UNLV, Wisky, So Illinois, Missouri St.  I'm tailing you on Fla Atlantic.

    I added (and wouldn't mind hearing your opinion if you have one on these games and have an extra few minutes this morning): TCU, Ark Little Rock, UMass, Arizona.

    I also lean to Texas A&M and Richmond but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

     

    I've got a good feeling about today...

     

     


    I would lean to every team you mentioned aside from Arizona. Hotter team in that matchup will come out ahead, should be a ton of points. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:


    Not much of a dropoff in Dillard/Booker/Freeman to Fay/Bocot/Teague. Bocot hasn't shown even an ounce of what he can do yet. Team's been built around Fay last few year's, other player just fill their roles. Not high on WKU at all this year, very little guard presence which is a drastic difference from past years. Tough place to play, absolutely. Just a very different WKU team than in past years and slightly over-valued in my opinion.


    Definitely agree WKU is not impressive...I am leaning towards the Salukis but not sure I will get there. LOVE THE FAU PLAY. It's my POD.
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    Not much of a dropoff in Dillard/Booker/Freeman to Fay/Bocot/Teague. Bocot hasn't shown even an ounce of what he can do yet. Team's been built around Fay last few year's, other player just fill their roles. Not high on WKU at all this year, very little guard presence which is a drastic difference from past years. Tough place to play, absolutely. Just a very different WKU team than in past years and slightly over-valued in my opinion.


    Definitely agree WKU is not impressive...I am leaning towards the Salukis but not sure I will get there. LOVE THE FAU PLAY. It's my POD.
     
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     thanks nropp

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     thanks nropp

     
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    gl today nropp
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    Uh oh... not sure why, but the Portland line just dropped from 5.5 to 4 in about 20 minutes.  Not liking that at all.... anybody got any info why that might happen (injuries/suspension/ anything announced)???
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    Uh oh... not sure why, but the Portland line just dropped from 5.5 to 4 in about 20 minutes.  Not liking that at all.... anybody got any info why that might happen (injuries/suspension/ anything announced)???
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefitr5287:

    Uh oh... not sure why, but the Portland line just dropped from 5.5 to 4 in about 20 minutes.  Not liking that at all.... anybody got any info why that might happen (injuries/suspension/ anything announced)???

    I'm not sure why either, I like your analysis, I looked into the game more and I totally agree with you, Portland appears to be the superior team and should take care of business here. 
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    Uh oh... not sure why, but the Portland line just dropped from 5.5 to 4 in about 20 minutes.  Not liking that at all.... anybody got any info why that might happen (injuries/suspension/ anything announced)???

    I'm not sure why either, I like your analysis, I looked into the game more and I totally agree with you, Portland appears to be the superior team and should take care of business here. 
     
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    SIU lead for the first 36 minutes of the game and then shit down their leg.  Had a chance for the backdoor cover with a late layup but some fuckhead from wku swatted it into the stands, kind of looked like goal tending from the angle i had but they didn't call it since it didn't change the outcome of the game.
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    SIU lead for the first 36 minutes of the game and then shit down their leg.  Had a chance for the backdoor cover with a late layup but some fuckhead from wku swatted it into the stands, kind of looked like goal tending from the angle i had but they didn't call it since it didn't change the outcome of the game.
     
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    Those dumb motherfuckers foul w 1 second left and we lose...  Thats the kinds shit that makes you craxy.  FUCK!!!
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    Those dumb motherfuckers foul w 1 second left and we lose...  Thats the kinds shit that makes you craxy.  FUCK!!!
     
     
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    brutal loss there
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