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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 9:34 AM ET #1

    I absolutely love this time of year and, honestly, I'm involved in more non-traditional pools than the bracket, but nothing quite the same as filling that out.  And with that, before you run off and fill it out with reckless abandonment, a recent, historical, statistical view into how the brackets have played out over the last 10 years. 

    Since 2007, there have been 40 Final Four teams - 10 years of tournaments, four teams make the Final Four each year; 10 * 4 =40. If you're needing help with this math, you might want to turn away... and you'll likely win your bracket. Sorry for the tangent..

    Of the 40 Final Four teams over the last 10 years, 36 of them have been in both the top 40 for offensive and defensive efficiency and/or be ranked # 1 in one of those categories - the latter happened once with Louisville in 2012 when they ranked 1 in defensive efficiency.  You're probably thinking, 'big deal, top 40, that's likely more than half of the field of 68'.  Well, it's not, only 20 teams in this years field rank in the top 40 for both offensive and defensive efficiency and one team who is ranked 1st, but not top 40 for both.  More on the teams in a bit..

    36 out of 40, that's 90% of the Final Four teams in the last 10 years have been in the top 40.  Dialing it down even further, 30 (75%) of the Final Four participants over the last 10 years have been in the top 30 for offensive and defensive efficiency. The 90% is a bit overwhelming, but you'll see most of the teams are higher seeded, so there is some correlation to the success rate.

    What I found most interesting is that over the last 10 years, the team who cut down the nets in the end, 9 of them were in the top 25 for offensive and defensive efficiency - the lone wolf was the Shabazz Napier-led Connecticut team in 2014 . And, in fact, 8 of them were in the top 20.  Again, you're probably thinking all of the top seeds fall within the top 20 this season, but actually there are only 3 teams in the top 20 for both efficiency ratings and only 9 in the top 25. 

    Now, obviously, past performance is no indication of future results, but just passing along some data I uncovered in the lab.  The beauty of statistics is that there is randomness, or Napierness in this case, and there is always outliers to the norm.  Maybe this year we get another outlier, but as sample size grows, stats don't lie.  Don't rip up the bracket you worked so hard to complete, but maybe look to this data set when you're considering who to bet on game to game. 

    And now the teams who qualify this season..

    Top 40 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    UNC
    Duke
    Kansas
    Gonzaga
    SMU
    Kentucky
    Saint Mary's
    Oregon
    Arizona
    Baylor
    Louisville
    Purdue
    Florida State
    West Virginia
    Florida
    Creighton
    Cincinnati
    Virginia
    Wisconsin

    Top 25 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    UNC
    Gonzaga
    Kentucky
    Oregon
    Baylor
    Louisville
    Purdue
    Florida State

    Top 20 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    Gonzaga
    Kentucky

    Oh and the team who ranked 1st in offensive efficiency, but was outside the top of the defensive rankings.... Oklahoma State.  Maybe they have a Louisville-esque run in them.  The top ranked team for offensive efficiency has made the Final Four 7 out of the last 10 tournaments. 

    More to come on my bracket thoughts...









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    I absolutely love this time of year and, honestly, I'm involved in more non-traditional pools than the bracket, but nothing quite the same as filling that out.  And with that, before you run off and fill it out with reckless abandonment, a recent, historical, statistical view into how the brackets have played out over the last 10 years. 

    Since 2007, there have been 40 Final Four teams - 10 years of tournaments, four teams make the Final Four each year; 10 * 4 =40. If you're needing help with this math, you might want to turn away... and you'll likely win your bracket. Sorry for the tangent..

    Of the 40 Final Four teams over the last 10 years, 36 of them have been in both the top 40 for offensive and defensive efficiency and/or be ranked # 1 in one of those categories - the latter happened once with Louisville in 2012 when they ranked 1 in defensive efficiency.  You're probably thinking, 'big deal, top 40, that's likely more than half of the field of 68'.  Well, it's not, only 20 teams in this years field rank in the top 40 for both offensive and defensive efficiency and one team who is ranked 1st, but not top 40 for both.  More on the teams in a bit..

    36 out of 40, that's 90% of the Final Four teams in the last 10 years have been in the top 40.  Dialing it down even further, 30 (75%) of the Final Four participants over the last 10 years have been in the top 30 for offensive and defensive efficiency. The 90% is a bit overwhelming, but you'll see most of the teams are higher seeded, so there is some correlation to the success rate.

    What I found most interesting is that over the last 10 years, the team who cut down the nets in the end, 9 of them were in the top 25 for offensive and defensive efficiency - the lone wolf was the Shabazz Napier-led Connecticut team in 2014 . And, in fact, 8 of them were in the top 20.  Again, you're probably thinking all of the top seeds fall within the top 20 this season, but actually there are only 3 teams in the top 20 for both efficiency ratings and only 9 in the top 25. 

    Now, obviously, past performance is no indication of future results, but just passing along some data I uncovered in the lab.  The beauty of statistics is that there is randomness, or Napierness in this case, and there is always outliers to the norm.  Maybe this year we get another outlier, but as sample size grows, stats don't lie.  Don't rip up the bracket you worked so hard to complete, but maybe look to this data set when you're considering who to bet on game to game. 

    And now the teams who qualify this season..

    Top 40 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    UNC
    Duke
    Kansas
    Gonzaga
    SMU
    Kentucky
    Saint Mary's
    Oregon
    Arizona
    Baylor
    Louisville
    Purdue
    Florida State
    West Virginia
    Florida
    Creighton
    Cincinnati
    Virginia
    Wisconsin

    Top 25 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    UNC
    Gonzaga
    Kentucky
    Oregon
    Baylor
    Louisville
    Purdue
    Florida State

    Top 20 offensive & defensive efficiency
    Villanova
    Gonzaga
    Kentucky

    Oh and the team who ranked 1st in offensive efficiency, but was outside the top of the defensive rankings.... Oklahoma State.  Maybe they have a Louisville-esque run in them.  The top ranked team for offensive efficiency has made the Final Four 7 out of the last 10 tournaments. 

    More to come on my bracket thoughts...









     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 10:21 AM ET #2

    Nice stuff SDS. I'm about to dive into some bracket study today since snowstorm has everyone "working" from home today. Love this time of year, easily my most liked sporting event.
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    Nice stuff SDS. I'm about to dive into some bracket study today since snowstorm has everyone "working" from home today. Love this time of year, easily my most liked sporting event.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 10:49 AM ET #3

    Been to 3 final fours /championship games...I had Villanova last year on my birthday, won my pool in 2014, thank you Andrew Harrison and won $2500 at Harrah in the Big Easy 2 hours before Melo won with Hakim Warrick and Gerry Mac
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    Been to 3 final fours /championship games...I had Villanova last year on my birthday, won my pool in 2014, thank you Andrew Harrison and won $2500 at Harrah in the Big Easy 2 hours before Melo won with Hakim Warrick and Gerry Mac
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 11:37 AM ET #4

    Great work Spaz. Looking forward to your breakdown of the regions.

     BOL throughout the tournament 
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    Great work Spaz. Looking forward to your breakdown of the regions.

     BOL throughout the tournament 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 4:03 PM ET #5

    [Quote: Originally Posted by tooez] Great work Spaz. Looking forward to your breakdown of the regions.

     BOL throughout the tournament 




    Have a good one!!!(thx for the info)
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by tooez] Great work Spaz. Looking forward to your breakdown of the regions.

     BOL throughout the tournament 




    Have a good one!!!(thx for the info)
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 6:05 PM ET #6

    OTR - I did the 'work' from home today as well.  Actually ended up doing more work than I wanted.  Some people with such disrespect for the madness.  Putting me behind in my bracket work, will be back in the lab tonight

    umgmu - You need to get tickets for this year, seems you cash when you're there in person.  I've only been to one Regional, long time ago.. and by long time, I mean Tim Duncan, Randolph Childress, Big Country, Shae Seals and Marcus Camby.

    tooez - thanks buddy, good to see you.  Will likely put something out later tonight/tomorrow.  Will have plays on tonight's games in separate thread

    chopped - thanks pal, good luck to you as well



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    OTR - I did the 'work' from home today as well.  Actually ended up doing more work than I wanted.  Some people with such disrespect for the madness.  Putting me behind in my bracket work, will be back in the lab tonight

    umgmu - You need to get tickets for this year, seems you cash when you're there in person.  I've only been to one Regional, long time ago.. and by long time, I mean Tim Duncan, Randolph Childress, Big Country, Shae Seals and Marcus Camby.

    tooez - thanks buddy, good to see you.  Will likely put something out later tonight/tomorrow.  Will have plays on tonight's games in separate thread

    chopped - thanks pal, good luck to you as well



     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 6:20 PM ET #7

    solid work.....bol in the madness bud 
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 10:34 AM ET #8

    trainwreck - thanks pal, same to you.  Look forward to your lab work
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    trainwreck - thanks pal, same to you.  Look forward to your lab work
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 10:38 AM ET #9

    Something to think about...

    Since the advanced KenPom ranking system was established in 2002, no team with an adjusted defensive efficiency (AdjD) ranking of less than 21 has ever won an NCAA title. The 2009 North Carolina title team had the #21 AdjD ranking, but it also had the #1 KenPom offense; so it was able to compensate for their defense. Aside from that 2009 UNC title team, every other champ team has had a KenPom AdjD rating of #15 or better. The teams that fall under this category this year are:

    1. Virginia 

    2. Gonzaga

    3. South Carolina

    4. Florida

    5. WVU

    6. Georgia Tech (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    7. Louisville

    8. Wisconsin

    9. Cincinnati

    10. Kentucky

    11. Nova

    12. Baylor

    13. Illinois St. (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    14. Alabama (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    15. Purdue

    I'm a firm believer that one of the 15 teams above are going to be your national champion. Don't waste your time picking teams like Kansas, UNC, Duke, Arizona, Oregon, or UCLA to win this tournament. Doesn't mean that any of these teams can't make a run, but I wouldn't pick them to be my champ. UNC is ranked 25th AdjD, and Kansas is ranked 28th AdJD. Those are the only two teams close to the top 15 rating in AdjD. All the other teams are ranked out of the top 30.

     

    Another stat from KenPom to add on top of the AdjD stat is that all champs but 3 since 2002 had an AdjO (adjusted offensive efficiency) rating in the top 10 along with the top 15 AdjD rating. The only two teams that fall under both categories are: 

    1. Gonzaga

    2. Nova

    Good luck with your picks, but my money is going to be on Gonzaga or Nova to win the National Title along with a strong possibility of Louisville or Kentucky. Outside chances for any team not a #1 or #2 seed would be Florida or WVU.

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    Something to think about...

    Since the advanced KenPom ranking system was established in 2002, no team with an adjusted defensive efficiency (AdjD) ranking of less than 21 has ever won an NCAA title. The 2009 North Carolina title team had the #21 AdjD ranking, but it also had the #1 KenPom offense; so it was able to compensate for their defense. Aside from that 2009 UNC title team, every other champ team has had a KenPom AdjD rating of #15 or better. The teams that fall under this category this year are:

    1. Virginia 

    2. Gonzaga

    3. South Carolina

    4. Florida

    5. WVU

    6. Georgia Tech (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    7. Louisville

    8. Wisconsin

    9. Cincinnati

    10. Kentucky

    11. Nova

    12. Baylor

    13. Illinois St. (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    14. Alabama (NOT IN TOURNEY)

    15. Purdue

    I'm a firm believer that one of the 15 teams above are going to be your national champion. Don't waste your time picking teams like Kansas, UNC, Duke, Arizona, Oregon, or UCLA to win this tournament. Doesn't mean that any of these teams can't make a run, but I wouldn't pick them to be my champ. UNC is ranked 25th AdjD, and Kansas is ranked 28th AdJD. Those are the only two teams close to the top 15 rating in AdjD. All the other teams are ranked out of the top 30.

     

    Another stat from KenPom to add on top of the AdjD stat is that all champs but 3 since 2002 had an AdjO (adjusted offensive efficiency) rating in the top 10 along with the top 15 AdjD rating. The only two teams that fall under both categories are: 

    1. Gonzaga

    2. Nova

    Good luck with your picks, but my money is going to be on Gonzaga or Nova to win the National Title along with a strong possibility of Louisville or Kentucky. Outside chances for any team not a #1 or #2 seed would be Florida or WVU.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 11:01 AM ET #10

    Ok, it's Wednesday, so really no time like the present to throw down some thoughts on the bracket.. Let's go region by region starting with the East

    I've been pouring over the initial and potential matchups in the East and I must say there are several permutations that I can see playing out.  From a Nova-Duke matchup in the Elite 8 to one where neither of those teams are playing.  For those that so quickly filled this out and ended up with a 1 vs. 2 in the Elite 8, I get it, but I think this region is deserving of more of your thinking outside the box.  Why is that?  Because this region holds a handful of teams that at some point during the year flexed Final Four potential.  And while things turned south for most, anything goes in a one and done.  A refocus could be all a team needs to put itself back on a pedestal.  And it always seems to happen when the public least suspects it..  Most of us have written off Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin and Baylor and seemed convinced that this region will be won by Nova, Duke or SMU.  All good quality teams playing great at the right time.  But it's March and with that comes madness - plenty of teams lurking in the swamp with their alligator eyes peeping on the horizon.

    Things Many are Selling, but I'm Not Buying:
    - ETSU will beat Florida
    - Villanova will face Duke in the Elite 8

    Potential Upsets:
    - Wisconsin over Villanova : Craziness I know, but Wisconsin can be such frustrating to play, and while Nova is one of the more composed team in the field, it's still one game and a must win.  Wisconsin is built like a team that can be annoying for Villanova.  See Butler
    - UNC Wilmington over Virginia and Florida : Seems like a tall order, but this team is so polished and more balanced and consistent than both Virginia and Florida.  They won't have the size and athleticism, but they are a solid team with a blueprint for success, even against power conference teams.

    Again, so many permutations, but if I had to bet how this will play out, my strongest feeling is below.

    Nova
    Wisconsin
    UNC Wilmington
    Florida
    SMU
    Baylor
    South Carolina
    Duke

    Nova
    Florida
    SMU
    Duke

    Nova
    SMU

    SMU




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    Ok, it's Wednesday, so really no time like the present to throw down some thoughts on the bracket.. Let's go region by region starting with the East

    I've been pouring over the initial and potential matchups in the East and I must say there are several permutations that I can see playing out.  From a Nova-Duke matchup in the Elite 8 to one where neither of those teams are playing.  For those that so quickly filled this out and ended up with a 1 vs. 2 in the Elite 8, I get it, but I think this region is deserving of more of your thinking outside the box.  Why is that?  Because this region holds a handful of teams that at some point during the year flexed Final Four potential.  And while things turned south for most, anything goes in a one and done.  A refocus could be all a team needs to put itself back on a pedestal.  And it always seems to happen when the public least suspects it..  Most of us have written off Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin and Baylor and seemed convinced that this region will be won by Nova, Duke or SMU.  All good quality teams playing great at the right time.  But it's March and with that comes madness - plenty of teams lurking in the swamp with their alligator eyes peeping on the horizon.

    Things Many are Selling, but I'm Not Buying:
    - ETSU will beat Florida
    - Villanova will face Duke in the Elite 8

    Potential Upsets:
    - Wisconsin over Villanova : Craziness I know, but Wisconsin can be such frustrating to play, and while Nova is one of the more composed team in the field, it's still one game and a must win.  Wisconsin is built like a team that can be annoying for Villanova.  See Butler
    - UNC Wilmington over Virginia and Florida : Seems like a tall order, but this team is so polished and more balanced and consistent than both Virginia and Florida.  They won't have the size and athleticism, but they are a solid team with a blueprint for success, even against power conference teams.

    Again, so many permutations, but if I had to bet how this will play out, my strongest feeling is below.

    Nova
    Wisconsin
    UNC Wilmington
    Florida
    SMU
    Baylor
    South Carolina
    Duke

    Nova
    Florida
    SMU
    Duke

    Nova
    SMU

    SMU




     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 12:01 PM ET #11

    its crazy to think that SMU's best player was a Duke transfer....imagine if they had him too
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    Slay - great stuff, thanks for posting that. I'm a huge analytics guy, so that is right up my alley.  Going to use some of that information. 

    BigD - crazy to think. The Tourney always seems to have storylines emerge.  I actually think the Committee postures to create the potential for some.  And that would be some storyline if SMU faced Duke in the Sweet 16
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    Slay - great stuff, thanks for posting that. I'm a huge analytics guy, so that is right up my alley.  Going to use some of that information. 

    BigD - crazy to think. The Tourney always seems to have storylines emerge.  I actually think the Committee postures to create the potential for some.  And that would be some storyline if SMU faced Duke in the Sweet 16
     
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    Moving on from the East to how the West is (will be) won..

    Things Many are Selling, but I'm Not Buying:
    - Gonzaga and Arizona have easy paths to the Elite 8
    - Florida Gulf Coast will beat Florida State
    - Saint Mary's is over-seeded as a 7 and will be exposed by VCU
    - The 3, 4, 5 and 6 seeds are weak
    - Gonzaga is overrated

    Potential Upsets:
    I don't see much in round one (or I guess two?), but after that it's wide open
    - Vanderbilt or Northwestern over Gonzaga
    - Saint Mary's over Arizona

    Again, a few thoughts on how I see things, but I'm going to show one that I like and is a bit off the rails

    Gonzaga
    Northwestern
    Notre Dame
    West Virginia
    Maryland
    Florida State
    Saint Mary's
    Arizona

    Gonzaga
    West Virginia
    Florida State
    Arizona

    West Virginia
    Florida State

    Florida State

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    Moving on from the East to how the West is (will be) won..

    Things Many are Selling, but I'm Not Buying:
    - Gonzaga and Arizona have easy paths to the Elite 8
    - Florida Gulf Coast will beat Florida State
    - Saint Mary's is over-seeded as a 7 and will be exposed by VCU
    - The 3, 4, 5 and 6 seeds are weak
    - Gonzaga is overrated

    Potential Upsets:
    I don't see much in round one (or I guess two?), but after that it's wide open
    - Vanderbilt or Northwestern over Gonzaga
    - Saint Mary's over Arizona

    Again, a few thoughts on how I see things, but I'm going to show one that I like and is a bit off the rails

    Gonzaga
    Northwestern
    Notre Dame
    West Virginia
    Maryland
    Florida State
    Saint Mary's
    Arizona

    Gonzaga
    West Virginia
    Florida State
    Arizona

    West Virginia
    Florida State

    Florida State

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 12:58 PM ET #14

    Dude I watched this break analysis on ESPN! 
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 1:05 PM ET #15

    But college basketball is changing. They're trying to limit physicality to improve flow of the game, lessen the chance of injury, and create higher scores. I believe defense will be nonexistent in the next 5 years. The best offensive team will be the one to win. 
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    But college basketball is changing. They're trying to limit physicality to improve flow of the game, lessen the chance of injury, and create higher scores. I believe defense will be nonexistent in the next 5 years. The best offensive team will be the one to win. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 1:10 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

    its crazy to think that SMU's best player was a Duke transfer....imagine if they had him too

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    its crazy to think that SMU's best player was a Duke transfer....imagine if they had him too

    +1
     
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    freaballz - There is 0 truth that any ESPN analyst didn't pick chalk.  A 6 and a 3 seed in the Final Four?  No chance on that network
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    freaballz - There is 0 truth that any ESPN analyst didn't pick chalk.  A 6 and a 3 seed in the Final Four?  No chance on that network
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 1:23 PM ET #18

    Curious to see what you have in the Midwest. That bracket is gonna be a dumpster fire.

    UNC walks to the F4 imo but not sure they win it. Also having a tough time pegging the East.


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    Curious to see what you have in the Midwest. That bracket is gonna be a dumpster fire.

    UNC walks to the F4 imo but not sure they win it. Also having a tough time pegging the East.


     
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    East looks very chalky to me, except I have SMU Over Duke too.  If Virginia beats UNCW and Florida, that is a very dangerous match up for Nova, but just don't see Nova getting beat.  Don't really see Wisco giving them too many problems because they can't shoot 3s and can't hit FTs.  Nova should cruise to the elite 8.  SMU or Duke could be a major problem, but just think Nova's experience and scoring will get them through.

    West is giving me nightmares.  ND/WV potential matchup could be really fun.  Either of those teams will give Gonzaga all they can handle, but I still kinda think Gonzaga gets it done.  Zona has their hands full with Saint Mary's.  Def not a given there.  That'll be a slow pace and Saint Mary's offense could get them over the hump.  I act have Gonzaga beating down Saint Mary's for a 4th time in the elite 8.  Besides Gonzaga, and their slip up in beginning of the year, Saint Mary's were smashing teams all season.    VCU is no cupcake, but if they can get past them, Zona, and winner of potential FSU/Maryland is very beatable.  Just think Gonzaga is a horrible match up for them and will probably get smashed again if they meet for a 4th time.  I have Gonzaga winning the region (boring) and losing to Nova.  
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    East looks very chalky to me, except I have SMU Over Duke too.  If Virginia beats UNCW and Florida, that is a very dangerous match up for Nova, but just don't see Nova getting beat.  Don't really see Wisco giving them too many problems because they can't shoot 3s and can't hit FTs.  Nova should cruise to the elite 8.  SMU or Duke could be a major problem, but just think Nova's experience and scoring will get them through.

    West is giving me nightmares.  ND/WV potential matchup could be really fun.  Either of those teams will give Gonzaga all they can handle, but I still kinda think Gonzaga gets it done.  Zona has their hands full with Saint Mary's.  Def not a given there.  That'll be a slow pace and Saint Mary's offense could get them over the hump.  I act have Gonzaga beating down Saint Mary's for a 4th time in the elite 8.  Besides Gonzaga, and their slip up in beginning of the year, Saint Mary's were smashing teams all season.    VCU is no cupcake, but if they can get past them, Zona, and winner of potential FSU/Maryland is very beatable.  Just think Gonzaga is a horrible match up for them and will probably get smashed again if they meet for a 4th time.  I have Gonzaga winning the region (boring) and losing to Nova.  
     
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    Good luck Spaz, thanks for the insight 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SettleDownSpaz:

    Slay - great stuff, thanks for posting that. I'm a huge analytics guy, so that is right up my alley.  Going to use some of that information. 

    BigD - crazy to think. The Tourney always seems to have storylines emerge.  I actually think the Committee postures to create the potential for some.  And that would be some storyline if SMU faced Duke in the Sweet 16

    yeah...and we also get a potential Duke Marquette 2nd round matchup which pits Wojo against coach K.....love it
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    Slay - great stuff, thanks for posting that. I'm a huge analytics guy, so that is right up my alley.  Going to use some of that information. 

    BigD - crazy to think. The Tourney always seems to have storylines emerge.  I actually think the Committee postures to create the potential for some.  And that would be some storyline if SMU faced Duke in the Sweet 16

    yeah...and we also get a potential Duke Marquette 2nd round matchup which pits Wojo against coach K.....love it
     
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    Absolutely crucial tourney info. One of the great info providers/contributers on this forum. GL this year
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    BigShot, tooez, scrappy

    Vandal - thanks buddy, appreciate that. Let's get those stacks
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