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    ILPRATO
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 9:18 AM ET #4026

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    If it was all about numbers then a computer program would be able to just give everyone winners.
    The instinct is what makes the difference between a winning gambler and a losing gambler. There are many factors that only the human mind can decipher .Situational handicapping ,motivation etc. Its apparent that CG's plays come from his experience and knowledge of the game along with some number crunching. If CG is to succeed in the long run it will be because of his mind and feel for the game. Thats just my opinion. I hope he makes it in the long run. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    If it was all about numbers then a computer program would be able to just give everyone winners.
    The instinct is what makes the difference between a winning gambler and a losing gambler. There are many factors that only the human mind can decipher .Situational handicapping ,motivation etc. Its apparent that CG's plays come from his experience and knowledge of the game along with some number crunching. If CG is to succeed in the long run it will be because of his mind and feel for the game. Thats just my opinion. I hope he makes it in the long run. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 9:21 AM ET #4027

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Why go to all that trouble to show that, yes, there will be streaks?

    Impliying 2 mins of entering a formula = all that trouble 

    It's fun. And interesting. Gives you some kind of direct grasp of what kind of streaks to expect. IMHO at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Why go to all that trouble to show that, yes, there will be streaks?

    Impliying 2 mins of entering a formula = all that trouble 

    It's fun. And interesting. Gives you some kind of direct grasp of what kind of streaks to expect. IMHO at least.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 9:51 AM ET #4028

    Quote Originally Posted by ILPRATO:


    If it was all about numbers then a computer program would be able to just give everyone winners.
    The instinct is what makes the difference between a winning gambler and a losing gambler. There are many factors that only the human mind can decipher .Situational handicapping ,motivation etc. Its apparent that CG's plays come from his experience and knowledge of the game along with some number crunching. If CG is to succeed in the long run it will be because of his mind and feel for the game. Thats just my opinion. I hope he makes it in the long run. 

    I think if you have read enough of van's posts, it's apparent to see that he does take the things you mention above into account.  But they don't comprise the majority of the variables he considers.

    These are just the facts.  No crime in what CG is doing....maybe just differing opinions on it is all.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILPRATO:


    If it was all about numbers then a computer program would be able to just give everyone winners.
    The instinct is what makes the difference between a winning gambler and a losing gambler. There are many factors that only the human mind can decipher .Situational handicapping ,motivation etc. Its apparent that CG's plays come from his experience and knowledge of the game along with some number crunching. If CG is to succeed in the long run it will be because of his mind and feel for the game. Thats just my opinion. I hope he makes it in the long run. 

    I think if you have read enough of van's posts, it's apparent to see that he does take the things you mention above into account.  But they don't comprise the majority of the variables he considers.

    These are just the facts.  No crime in what CG is doing....maybe just differing opinions on it is all.   
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 10:17 AM ET #4029

    Family is obsessed with me. Needed vacation to get away from -5 degrees everyday and snow at home. They wanted to come earlier. What could I have really told them? Maybe it's dumb to blame them but I planned activities for us during the days the last two days to try to be a good host when I would normally be up capping early.
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    Family is obsessed with me. Needed vacation to get away from -5 degrees everyday and snow at home. They wanted to come earlier. What could I have really told them? Maybe it's dumb to blame them but I planned activities for us during the days the last two days to try to be a good host when I would normally be up capping early.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 10:28 AM ET #4030

    CG

    I have a feeling you will explode out of your brief slump this weekend.....NBA % was bound to drop.......Dont bet dogs just to bet dogs tho.......get pumped and get em bro
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    CG

    I have a feeling you will explode out of your brief slump this weekend.....NBA % was bound to drop.......Dont bet dogs just to bet dogs tho.......get pumped and get em bro
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 10:38 AM ET #4031

    0-2 -$1100 Friday

    updated pro career figures

    pro career college hoops 22-19-1 +$400

    Pro career NBA 11-4 +$4350

    Pro career overall 33-23-1 +$4750

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    0-2 -$1100 Friday

    updated pro career figures

    pro career college hoops 22-19-1 +$400

    Pro career NBA 11-4 +$4350

    Pro career overall 33-23-1 +$4750

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 10:38 AM ET #4032

    If you had a regular 9-5 job, you wouldn't be able to "entertain" people while you were at work.  If it were me, I would either take the day off from "work" completely, or work your normal day and send the family off to walk the strip for a while why you do.

    As Scal said, last night no big deal, it's gonna happen.  One moose, and one Spurs team that went through the motions.  

    GL today..............
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    If you had a regular 9-5 job, you wouldn't be able to "entertain" people while you were at work.  If it were me, I would either take the day off from "work" completely, or work your normal day and send the family off to walk the strip for a while why you do.

    As Scal said, last night no big deal, it's gonna happen.  One moose, and one Spurs team that went through the motions.  

    GL today..............
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 11:19 AM ET #4033

    Had to hit gym and posted video along way check it out. CG with a K play after gym today
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    Had to hit gym and posted video along way check it out. CG with a K play after gym today
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 11:19 AM ET #4034

    Uh oh!!!!
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    Uh oh!!!!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 11:50 AM ET #4035

    There are many different ways to win short term. For the long term I prefer to have a very good predictive model and to simply remove myself and my personal opinions from the equation. Best of luck today CG. 

    Falcon
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    There are many different ways to win short term. For the long term I prefer to have a very good predictive model and to simply remove myself and my personal opinions from the equation. Best of luck today CG. 

    Falcon
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:17 PM ET #4036

    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:


    Impliying 2 mins of entering a formula = all that trouble 

    It's fun. And interesting. Gives you some kind of direct grasp of what kind of streaks to expect. IMHO at least.


    I think what you showed was informative and very effective in communicating the ebbs and flows of betting, all in literal form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:


    Impliying 2 mins of entering a formula = all that trouble 

    It's fun. And interesting. Gives you some kind of direct grasp of what kind of streaks to expect. IMHO at least.


    I think what you showed was informative and very effective in communicating the ebbs and flows of betting, all in literal form.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:20 PM ET #4037

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    Just to be clear, I'd like to go on the record and say I love extremely  lengthy write-ups. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    Just to be clear, I'd like to go on the record and say I love extremely  lengthy write-ups. Carry on.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:23 PM ET #4038

    3/7/15. Florida Gators +16.5 (-110) $1100/$1000. They covered at home and will cover today in Lexington. It's +17 at a few places but I need to get back home quick it was already rude enough to leave to go workout and place this bet at the closest casino to me. Cmon GATORS
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    3/7/15. Florida Gators +16.5 (-110) $1100/$1000. They covered at home and will cover today in Lexington. It's +17 at a few places but I need to get back home quick it was already rude enough to leave to go workout and place this bet at the closest casino to me. Cmon GATORS
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:27 PM ET #4039

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    3/7/15. Florida Gators +16.5 (-110) $1100/$1000. They covered at home and will cover today in Lexington. It's +17 at a few places but I need to get back home quick it was already rude enough to leave to go workout and place this bet at the closest casino to me. Cmon GATORS

    Wow, all these games and you are fading a near-perfect team, granted with a boatload of points.

    It's an interesting pick to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    3/7/15. Florida Gators +16.5 (-110) $1100/$1000. They covered at home and will cover today in Lexington. It's +17 at a few places but I need to get back home quick it was already rude enough to leave to go workout and place this bet at the closest casino to me. Cmon GATORS

    Wow, all these games and you are fading a near-perfect team, granted with a boatload of points.

    It's an interesting pick to say the least.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:29 PM ET #4040

    If the gators lose by exactly 17 someone please send me a noose to use on myself lol
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    If the gators lose by exactly 17 someone please send me a noose to use on myself lol
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:32 PM ET #4041

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Just to be clear, I'd like to go on the record and say I love extremely  lengthy write-ups. Carry on.


    Glad you put this on the record Scal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Just to be clear, I'd like to go on the record and say I love extremely  lengthy write-ups. Carry on.


    Glad you put this on the record Scal.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:33 PM ET #4042

    Not getting the +17 will eat me alive if they lose by 17 and I lose instead of push. U guys know when it's just me here I do anything to ensure the best line for my daily. I'll drive wherever it is I have to where I get my best line. Cmon GATORS u bumbs!!!! K plays will either be 6-3 or 5-4.... After a 3-0 start tho....
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    Not getting the +17 will eat me alive if they lose by 17 and I lose instead of push. U guys know when it's just me here I do anything to ensure the best line for my daily. I'll drive wherever it is I have to where I get my best line. Cmon GATORS u bumbs!!!! K plays will either be 6-3 or 5-4.... After a 3-0 start tho....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:34 PM ET #4043

    Kty 15-14-1 ATS, so who knows?

    CG, you're on Pacific time now, visitors from back EAST, correct?

    You've got to have a few hours to cap before they have their first cup of coffee..............
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    Kty 15-14-1 ATS, so who knows?

    CG, you're on Pacific time now, visitors from back EAST, correct?

    You've got to have a few hours to cap before they have their first cup of coffee..............
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:42 PM ET #4044

    They up at 6am pacific lol. Yes from jersey
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    They up at 6am pacific lol. Yes from jersey
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:43 PM ET #4045

    Opposite hawk because at 6am pacific there body on 9am eastern. It's cool let's go GATORS
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    Opposite hawk because at 6am pacific there body on 9am eastern. It's cool let's go GATORS
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:50 PM ET #4046

    Cg,
    Go have a big salad, Elaine loved the big salad on Seinfeld

    Chomp on that big salad, avoid the tilapia, change it up. Do the opposite like George Costanza
    Tilapia, white rice with steak sauce/ go opposite

    Flank steak, black rice with duck sauce
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    Cg,
    Go have a big salad, Elaine loved the big salad on Seinfeld

    Chomp on that big salad, avoid the tilapia, change it up. Do the opposite like George Costanza
    Tilapia, white rice with steak sauce/ go opposite

    Flank steak, black rice with duck sauce
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:52 PM ET #4047

    I did have the best veal I ever had in my life last night tho. Let me know if u want the name of the restaurant to any of the Vegas guys. Better than Patsy's in Manhattan or anywhere I had been in Jersey. It was absolutely delicious right on the strip too
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    I did have the best veal I ever had in my life last night tho. Let me know if u want the name of the restaurant to any of the Vegas guys. Better than Patsy's in Manhattan or anywhere I had been in Jersey. It was absolutely delicious right on the strip too
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:00 PM ET #4048

    Bunkmoreland I have family here. It's all going out to eat, shows, throwing off my capping. Can't even watch my bets.... Today I took a big dog for this reason... Just check score and hope they r down 6 or so late so I can cover the +16.5. All thrown off trying to be a tour guide, being pleasant and also trying to win my bet
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    Bunkmoreland I have family here. It's all going out to eat, shows, throwing off my capping. Can't even watch my bets.... Today I took a big dog for this reason... Just check score and hope they r down 6 or so late so I can cover the +16.5. All thrown off trying to be a tour guide, being pleasant and also trying to win my bet
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:04 PM ET #4049

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    Bunkmoreland I have family here. It's all going out to eat, shows, throwing off my capping. Can't even watch my bets.... Today I took a big dog for this reason... Just check score and hope they r down 6 or so late so I can cover the +16.5. All thrown off trying to be a tour guide, being pleasant and also trying to win my bet


    Yikes CG, yikes.

    You really gotta get them out asap for your sake. But as hutch said, there are going to be distractions. Very difficult to find balance but you'll get there hopefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    Bunkmoreland I have family here. It's all going out to eat, shows, throwing off my capping. Can't even watch my bets.... Today I took a big dog for this reason... Just check score and hope they r down 6 or so late so I can cover the +16.5. All thrown off trying to be a tour guide, being pleasant and also trying to win my bet


    Yikes CG, yikes.

    You really gotta get them out asap for your sake. But as hutch said, there are going to be distractions. Very difficult to find balance but you'll get there hopefully.
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:05 PM ET #4050

    Damn. Guess I'll have to give up on my time machine. Cap at night?
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    Damn. Guess I'll have to give up on my time machine. Cap at night?
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