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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2015 - 11:52 PM ET #4001

    Still up around over 4.7K but it was 6.9K before the uconn game yesterday. Mentally drained. Not sure if I should bet or not tommorow. And of course another day of HOSTING. I had such a good rythem and routine going out here too.
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    Still up around over 4.7K but it was 6.9K before the uconn game yesterday. Mentally drained. Not sure if I should bet or not tommorow. And of course another day of HOSTING. I had such a good rythem and routine going out here too.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:05 AM ET #4002

    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...
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    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:05 AM ET #4003

    Banging the anorexic milf***
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    Banging the anorexic milf***
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:07 AM ET #4004

    Drained emotionally and physically. I have no swag right now with my visitors here and if I bet tommorow it will be sheep to the slaughter. I need the visitors to go home and stay the Fuckk home so I can do my thing out here on my terms with my videos etc
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    Drained emotionally and physically. I have no swag right now with my visitors here and if I bet tommorow it will be sheep to the slaughter. I need the visitors to go home and stay the Fuckk home so I can do my thing out here on my terms with my videos etc
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:10 AM ET #4005

    Too many favs brother....its dog season


    Nets got me too. 
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    Too many favs brother....its dog season


    Nets got me too. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:11 AM ET #4006

    Better luck tomm bro! Stay focused
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    Better luck tomm bro! Stay focused
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:15 AM ET #4007

    I been killing it with dogs too when I bet them. My routine is all off with visitors here. I knew it was gonna be a problem. Literally the only thing that could slow me down smh
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    I been killing it with dogs too when I bet them. My routine is all off with visitors here. I knew it was gonna be a problem. Literally the only thing that could slow me down smh
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:18 AM ET #4008

    CG,

    You've been there 3 weeks are your family is already coming to visit you?!?! That seems pretty soon IMO. BOL
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    CG,

    You've been there 3 weeks are your family is already coming to visit you?!?! That seems pretty soon IMO. BOL
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:24 AM ET #4009

    Am sure your family loves you and misses you, but why wouldnt you tell them to wait, maybe until baskets were over before coming out?
    I know thats what i would have suggested to my family, especially if i was just trying to get this stuff off the ground.

    Maybe Vanzack paid your family to come out there and mess you up, lolllllllllllllllll
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    Am sure your family loves you and misses you, but why wouldnt you tell them to wait, maybe until baskets were over before coming out?
    I know thats what i would have suggested to my family, especially if i was just trying to get this stuff off the ground.

    Maybe Vanzack paid your family to come out there and mess you up, lolllllllllllllllll
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:25 AM ET #4010

    I'm with Goose on this one.  Conference and NCAA tourneys is the time to make some money.  Stay on top of what is going on and take a break and hit it next week.  The dogs will be barkin.
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    I'm with Goose on this one.  Conference and NCAA tourneys is the time to make some money.  Stay on top of what is going on and take a break and hit it next week.  The dogs will be barkin.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 12:32 AM ET #4011

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    I been killing it with dogs too when I bet them. My routine is all off with visitors here. I knew it was gonna be a problem. Literally the only thing that could slow me down smh

    Honestly, no offense CG, but this sounds a bit like hubris.  Everyone has to deal with work-life balance.  I've locked myself in my room to get work done when family has visited if it was required.  Or whisked them off to do something else so I could concentrate for a while.

    I understand that everyone gets their mojo going in their own way, but some of the things you mention related to your success (ie. visitors are the only thing that could slow you down) is a little surprising.  

    I used to think the only way I played good poker was when I was drunk.  In the end, it was just a permission slip to myself to get drunk.

    You have a good track record away from Vegas and the milfs and the tall boys and the videos.  I would think about giving those items less weight when considering why you are or are not successful.

    No one said there wouldn't be growing pains.  

    Just an observation.  Keep on keeping on.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    I been killing it with dogs too when I bet them. My routine is all off with visitors here. I knew it was gonna be a problem. Literally the only thing that could slow me down smh

    Honestly, no offense CG, but this sounds a bit like hubris.  Everyone has to deal with work-life balance.  I've locked myself in my room to get work done when family has visited if it was required.  Or whisked them off to do something else so I could concentrate for a while.

    I understand that everyone gets their mojo going in their own way, but some of the things you mention related to your success (ie. visitors are the only thing that could slow you down) is a little surprising.  

    I used to think the only way I played good poker was when I was drunk.  In the end, it was just a permission slip to myself to get drunk.

    You have a good track record away from Vegas and the milfs and the tall boys and the videos.  I would think about giving those items less weight when considering why you are or are not successful.

    No one said there wouldn't be growing pains.  

    Just an observation.  Keep on keeping on.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:08 AM ET #4012

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...

    Others never understand your fu king job now is gambling.  I've had to cut off friends who don't get that
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...

    Others never understand your fu king job now is gambling.  I've had to cut off friends who don't get that
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:25 AM ET #4013

    Not a big deal if ya ask me.

    Nets game was capped correctly so it's a 1-1 day that was moosed to 0-2. It happened before a million times and will happen again.

    I do see you laying more chalk of late, sometimes considerable amounts, so I'd go back to dogs.
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    Not a big deal if ya ask me.

    Nets game was capped correctly so it's a 1-1 day that was moosed to 0-2. It happened before a million times and will happen again.

    I do see you laying more chalk of late, sometimes considerable amounts, so I'd go back to dogs.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 1:59 AM ET #4014

    Up and at 'EM early.  Boeheim will have the "us vs the world" thing going.  Cuse +6







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    Up and at 'EM early.  Boeheim will have the "us vs the world" thing going.  Cuse +6







     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 2:56 AM ET #4015

    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...

     You will be fine, as you came back with a vengeance after a few losing selections, a short while back.  

    Find a dog or two to fire a dime on Saturday, and you will have this freight train back on the rails, in no time. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegegambler:

    And u know what I would normally be doing after a rough two days like this. I would be housing my bud light tall boy beers and making tilapia and a huge salad, playing my horrible rap music and hanging AM anorexic Milf to get my swagger back for a big bounceback day sat. But now it's like I gotta be on best behavior for my fam. Sickening, I have a break in the visiting for a little bit, Sunday afternoon and Monday morning...

     You will be fine, as you came back with a vengeance after a few losing selections, a short while back.  

    Find a dog or two to fire a dime on Saturday, and you will have this freight train back on the rails, in no time. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 3:01 AM ET #4016

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I actually caught myself saying "naysayer" in a random conversation today.  



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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    I actually caught myself saying "naysayer" in a random conversation today.  



     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 4:23 AM ET #4017

    wait a sec.  how do friends and family affect your line setting formula?  

    I'm assuming you set your own lines using stats (and not gut hunches) before placing any bets,,,  am I wrong?
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    wait a sec.  how do friends and family affect your line setting formula?  

    I'm assuming you set your own lines using stats (and not gut hunches) before placing any bets,,,  am I wrong?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 4:49 AM ET #4018

    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

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    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

     
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    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

    Reply
    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

     
    ILPRATO
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 4:59 AM ET #4020

    If it was me I would tell the visitors I had work to do. A day or 2 of hanging out and showing them around is more than enough time. This is your profession. It would be impossible for me to focus properly if I had all those visitors.Watch the movie whiplash I found it a bit inspirational. Hard work and tenacity is the way to success.
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    If it was me I would tell the visitors I had work to do. A day or 2 of hanging out and showing them around is more than enough time. This is your profession. It would be impossible for me to focus properly if I had all those visitors.Watch the movie whiplash I found it a bit inspirational. Hard work and tenacity is the way to success.
     
    Bermax
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 5:18 AM ET #4021

    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:

    https://goo.gl/lfl5ITNo reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.BOL


    Forgot there must of course be an = sign at beginning of formula, ie "=rand()"
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:

    https://goo.gl/lfl5ITNo reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.BOL


    Forgot there must of course be an = sign at beginning of formula, ie "=rand()"
     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 7:38 AM ET #4022

    Quote Originally Posted by iceman67:

    wait a sec.  how do friends and family affect your line setting formula?  

    I'm assuming you set your own lines using stats (and not gut hunches) before placing any bets,,,  am I wrong?

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman67:

    wait a sec.  how do friends and family affect your line setting formula?  

    I'm assuming you set your own lines using stats (and not gut hunches) before placing any bets,,,  am I wrong?

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.

     
    Newtons Law
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 8:03 AM ET #4023

    Good post Vanzack.
    There has to be some sort of a logical approach to this and although CG seems to have an important initial gut feel for games he involves himself in there has to be other positive factors to support his selections..
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    Good post Vanzack.
    There has to be some sort of a logical approach to this and although CG seems to have an important initial gut feel for games he involves himself in there has to be other positive factors to support his selections..
     
    Ballerholic
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 8:04 AM ET #4024

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    How is CG almost even with his monthly living expenses? 5k is near double what he needs. Also who cares if he caps on guts? He's done it for years and has been near 59% the entire time. As well, CG probably does have a system, albeit unorganized, where he checks key statistics and then on top of this also analyzes non quantitative aspects. 
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You must have missed these long discussions earlier in the thread.

    All gut.  No stats models, no predictive models, no line setting formulas.

    I don't think it is possible to win longterm betting in to -110 and having limited outs with only subjective game selection.  That was the whole discussion way back in the thread.  CG has been doing well, but after a month he is almost even with his living expenses - rounding numbers he is up about 5k and he stated his monthly nut is about 3k.

    Once again - not to criticize - but if you read his write-ups on why he is taking a team - it says things like "I don't think the Suns are that good. They play matador defense" and "Spurs have won 3 in a row and although the Nuggets have won two in a row they r going to get disgraced by the world champions tonight ".  Not exactly a statistical or tactical masterclass.

    Maybe he is not in to write-ups (Im not really either), so I give a pass there.  But he has openly stated that he only bets the major conferences (in college), and comes up with daily games by "studying" and then shopping for the best line.

    I think his method is clear - he has been very honest about it - from the start of the process until the bet is placed.  My opinion is that he does several things that will kill him longterm - from the method of selecting games, to limiting his outs by being in vegas, to always having 1-3 games per day (thinking in terms of days and having no objective way to qualify games if they are bettable), to betting at a specific time in the day (different each day, but not using any predictive line movement models), and finally not using anything but gut to drive the selections.

    I just don't think it is possible to sustain that - but we will see.  It certainly is entertaining along the way.


    How is CG almost even with his monthly living expenses? 5k is near double what he needs. Also who cares if he caps on guts? He's done it for years and has been near 59% the entire time. As well, CG probably does have a system, albeit unorganized, where he checks key statistics and then on top of this also analyzes non quantitative aspects. 
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2015 - 9:08 AM ET #4025

    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:

    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

    Why go to all that trouble to show that, yes, there will be streaks?
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Bermax:

    https://goo.gl/lfl5IT

    No reason to sweat CG, look at your day to day chart and it's still a on a nice upslope on the whole.

    I wouldn't call three losers a bad streak, though, better brace yourself mentally for a bit longer streaks than that, just as you had a few smaller winning streaks in the beginning.

    Here's a nice experiment anyone can do:

    Let's asume you are making around 40 bets per month and keep hitting at the 59% you are so far. Want to see some realistic streaks while hitting 59% over the coming three months?

    open Excel, or any other spreadsheet software.

    type "rand()" in cell A1, copy down the column for 120 cells.

    type "IF(A1<0.59, 1, 0)" in cell B1,  copy down the column.

    What this does is generating a random number between 0 and 1 in column A, and every time this number is below 0.59 (which it is 59% of the time on average), the output in column B is 1 (=win). If above 0.59 it is 0 (=loss).

    Result is a simulation of streaks of a 59%-bettor. Change the 0.59 accordingly to see how it would look for say a 55%-er or a 65%-er.

    Hit F9 to recalculate a couple of times. Average across the column will always be close to 0.59, but every now and then there will be nice or nasty win-loss streak.

    Now do this over a couple of seasons, say 1,500 bets = 1,500 rows, and look at the sequence. There will be a few very long streaks. Impossible to avoid them so you just have to have the right mindset.

    BOL

    Why go to all that trouble to show that, yes, there will be streaks?
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