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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 11:58 AM ET #51

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     In these situations it's not necessarily about a player actively wanting to tank. If they can go out and win 6-0 6-0 that's probably almost as easy as losing 0-6 0-6. It's moreso about one player fighting for their tournament life, and a significant paycheck for R1, versus a player who is basically getting some on-court practice time in. 

    In my opinion, with the way Birrell played she really had no business even getting close to winning the match yet she did. I watched pretty much all the match but I had to watch it on the tiny screen in my sportsbook app so my analysis is somewhat limited but here are the highlights (or lowlights):

    - The first set was close going into the 9th game with Rak serving at 4-4 and at the beginning of the game it seemed like Rak might conveniently get broken in the crucial game and go on to lose the set. Rak hits an unforced error and gets down a bit early and ends up facing a couple break points in the game. Then there were a couple second serves Rak hit that looked like personally giftwrapped presents for her opponent. Birrell rockets one into the bottom of the net and hits another return that lands outside the doubles court. So Rak holds and then in the next game a distraught Birr has probably her worst service game of the match and is broken to lose the set.

    - Next we're on to the second set and I'm sure at that point Rak's mindset would shift to hopefully just go ahead and finish it in 2 without putting up too much of a fight. But she got broken early and then seemed completely resigned to losing the set after that. The worst case scenario for Rak at that point would be to use up energy fighting her way back into the set but end up losing it anyways. It got to the point where Rak was serving down 1-5 and 0-40 but Birr suddenly forgets how to hit the ball back into play again and makes it almost impossible for Rak to lose the game. Birr serves out the set next game though. 

    - Even with Birrell winning 55% of the points in the 3rd set it still went to a tiebreak since she seemed to lose points at all the worst times. Again she gets up a break and looks poised to cruise to victory but of course when given the chance to serve out the match she starts spraying balls everywhere. Set then goes to tiebreak and Rak is only able to win a single point on serve.

    So to sum it up, with the way the match played out Rak didn't actively try to lose the match but at the same time she didn't go out of her way to try and win it either. The difference in the match was simply the difference between one player fighting for their life and another player who's not. In a match where both players will be motivated to win I believe it will be a much different outcome.

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     In these situations it's not necessarily about a player actively wanting to tank. If they can go out and win 6-0 6-0 that's probably almost as easy as losing 0-6 0-6. It's moreso about one player fighting for their tournament life, and a significant paycheck for R1, versus a player who is basically getting some on-court practice time in. 

    In my opinion, with the way Birrell played she really had no business even getting close to winning the match yet she did. I watched pretty much all the match but I had to watch it on the tiny screen in my sportsbook app so my analysis is somewhat limited but here are the highlights (or lowlights):

    - The first set was close going into the 9th game with Rak serving at 4-4 and at the beginning of the game it seemed like Rak might conveniently get broken in the crucial game and go on to lose the set. Rak hits an unforced error and gets down a bit early and ends up facing a couple break points in the game. Then there were a couple second serves Rak hit that looked like personally giftwrapped presents for her opponent. Birrell rockets one into the bottom of the net and hits another return that lands outside the doubles court. So Rak holds and then in the next game a distraught Birr has probably her worst service game of the match and is broken to lose the set.

    - Next we're on to the second set and I'm sure at that point Rak's mindset would shift to hopefully just go ahead and finish it in 2 without putting up too much of a fight. But she got broken early and then seemed completely resigned to losing the set after that. The worst case scenario for Rak at that point would be to use up energy fighting her way back into the set but end up losing it anyways. It got to the point where Rak was serving down 1-5 and 0-40 but Birr suddenly forgets how to hit the ball back into play again and makes it almost impossible for Rak to lose the game. Birr serves out the set next game though. 

    - Even with Birrell winning 55% of the points in the 3rd set it still went to a tiebreak since she seemed to lose points at all the worst times. Again she gets up a break and looks poised to cruise to victory but of course when given the chance to serve out the match she starts spraying balls everywhere. Set then goes to tiebreak and Rak is only able to win a single point on serve.

    So to sum it up, with the way the match played out Rak didn't actively try to lose the match but at the same time she didn't go out of her way to try and win it either. The difference in the match was simply the difference between one player fighting for their life and another player who's not. In a match where both players will be motivated to win I believe it will be a much different outcome.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:08 PM ET #52

    That birrell match was a lot closer than it needed to be in the third

     

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    That birrell match was a lot closer than it needed to be in the third

     

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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:16 PM ET #53

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     Not without you! You're the expert.

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     Not without you! You're the expert.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:39 PM ET #54

    @jpot34

    Thank you but far from that. The key to success is getting everyone involved from all over the world to discuss different angles, opinions, information, etc  For example, Lord B. and his Birrel play. Never would have thought to work his angle. As we can see he was all over that. 

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    Thank you but far from that. The key to success is getting everyone involved from all over the world to discuss different angles, opinions, information, etc  For example, Lord B. and his Birrel play. Never would have thought to work his angle. As we can see he was all over that. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:40 PM ET #55

    @bringit

     I'm assuming you like Rak to take this match?

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     I'm assuming you like Rak to take this match?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:41 PM ET #56

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     I agree, nothing beats conglomeration!!!!  

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     I agree, nothing beats conglomeration!!!!  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:45 PM ET #57

    @wgomel21

     Sorry for the biology lingo. Can't get it out of my head after being retired going on 9 years.  new_bleak

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     Sorry for the biology lingo. Can't get it out of my head after being retired going on 9 years.  new_bleak

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:52 PM ET #58

    Checking in.  I am sure there have been lots of winners over here.  At least my Ravens finally got a win.  

    Kenin -1.5 -130 vs Bogdan

    Lets see if Kenin can play like she is capable of playing.

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    Checking in.  I am sure there have been lots of winners over here.  At least my Ravens finally got a win.  

    Kenin -1.5 -130 vs Bogdan

    Lets see if Kenin can play like she is capable of playing.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 12:55 PM ET #59

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     I think your Ravens win their next game also!

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     I think your Ravens win their next game also!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 2:02 PM ET #60

    Day 1 players currently on my radar: 

    Tomova

    Gracheva 

    Bronzetti???

    Srammy

    Possibly some of the lesser known Wangs, Yangs, Zhangs, etc

     

    Just an early radar report, nothing more

     

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    Day 1 players currently on my radar: 

    Tomova

    Gracheva 

    Bronzetti???

    Srammy

    Possibly some of the lesser known Wangs, Yangs, Zhangs, etc

     

    Just an early radar report, nothing more

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 6:50 PM ET #61

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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 6:53 PM ET #62

    In China...am I the only one that like Andreeva over journeyman Minnen?

    It's-105 now at 11pm

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    In China...am I the only one that like Andreeva over journeyman Minnen?

    It's-105 now at 11pm

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 8:17 PM ET #63

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     It didn't jump off the page for me at first but now that I think about it yes, I do.

    Top 100 wins so far during current hard swing: 

    Minnen: Frech, Cristian, Stephens

    Andreeva: Yuan, Collins, Kalinina, Tausen, Townsend

     

    All losses during swing:

    Minnen: Sonmez, Vekic, Bogdan, Bogdan again, Okalova?, Azarenka 

    Andreeva: Q. Zheng (won a set), Sun, Wang (#58), Stakusic 

     

    Erika has played well this summer. Both sisters have reached career highs this summer.

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     It didn't jump off the page for me at first but now that I think about it yes, I do.

    Top 100 wins so far during current hard swing: 

    Minnen: Frech, Cristian, Stephens

    Andreeva: Yuan, Collins, Kalinina, Tausen, Townsend

     

    All losses during swing:

    Minnen: Sonmez, Vekic, Bogdan, Bogdan again, Okalova?, Azarenka 

    Andreeva: Q. Zheng (won a set), Sun, Wang (#58), Stakusic 

     

    Erika has played well this summer. Both sisters have reached career highs this summer.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 8:25 PM ET #64

    Thanks Bringit

    I just find that the quality of players  Andreeva has played is higher grade...beaten some and took an in form Zheng to a 3rd set...

    May play her later tonight ...seeing if the odds shifted yet

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    Thanks Bringit

    I just find that the quality of players  Andreeva has played is higher grade...beaten some and took an in form Zheng to a 3rd set...

    May play her later tonight ...seeing if the odds shifted yet

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 8:27 PM ET #65

    @Uman

     I see her in my book at +100.

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     I see her in my book at +100.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 8:34 PM ET #66

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     DK is still -105

    Minnen is -120

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     DK is still -105

    Minnen is -120

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 8:51 PM ET #67

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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 9:29 PM ET #68

    A lot of low odds for some of our favs

     

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    A lot of low odds for some of our favs

     

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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 9:41 PM ET #69

    A little parlay to start the night an_horse

    JAPAN OPEN/ CHINA OPEN   Risk $250.00 to win $1,042.61

    Luciano Darder ML -160

    Shintaro Mochizuki +4.5 Games

    Clara Burel ML -150

    * Note working on singles now but unfortunately my local is playing games again as we do not have lines of over half of tonight's matches. 

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    A little parlay to start the night an_horse

    JAPAN OPEN/ CHINA OPEN   Risk $250.00 to win $1,042.61

    Luciano Darder ML -160

    Shintaro Mochizuki +4.5 Games

    Clara Burel ML -150

    * Note working on singles now but unfortunately my local is playing games again as we do not have lines of over half of tonight's matches. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 10:03 PM ET #70

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     I'm waiting on your best bet. Is your best bet a single in your parlay? peace_5

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     I'm waiting on your best bet. Is your best bet a single in your parlay? peace_5

     
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    The parlay is for fun, if you are looking for a pounder just wait and hopefully will have the appropriate lines soon. 

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    The parlay is for fun, if you are looking for a pounder just wait and hopefully will have the appropriate lines soon. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2024 - 10:09 PM ET #72

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     You da man!!!!!!  an_clap

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     So far I'm up $100 on your plays (I bet small). You keep winning, I'm gonna send you a check!!!   win  

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