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    pdg893
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 5:00 PM ET #576

    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    what is the best team to give 13 points to this sunday? i need to close one spot.

     

    How about Atlanta +23? I don't think they will lose to a division rival by more than 3 TDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    what is the best team to give 13 points to this sunday? i need to close one spot.

     

    How about Atlanta +23? I don't think they will lose to a division rival by more than 3 TDs

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 5:10 PM ET #577

    Quote Originally Posted by pdg893:

     

    How about Atlanta +23? I don't think they will lose to a division rival by more than 3 TDs

     

     

    that looks solid but i dont want to wait until monday night really.  how about the ravens

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdg893:

     

    How about Atlanta +23? I don't think they will lose to a division rival by more than 3 TDs

     

     

    that looks solid but i dont want to wait until monday night really.  how about the ravens

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 5:14 PM ET #578

    maybe buffalo +16.5 or seattle +23
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    maybe buffalo +16.5 or seattle +23
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 6:01 PM ET #579

    Tough week matchup wise guys
    Watch out for let down games after some big wins
    Lines are getting sharper after a few cup cake weeks
    The books want their money back

    "They all float down here ahahahaha............


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    Tough week matchup wise guys
    Watch out for let down games after some big wins
    Lines are getting sharper after a few cup cake weeks
    The books want their money back

    "They all float down here ahahahaha............


     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 8:09 PM ET #580

    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    what is the record for 13 teasers i think i read 5-2 is that right?   thats all i care about i wonder can he win the next 3 to go 8-2

     

    Actually, he's 5-4...close to exactly the 50/50 split that anybody could get playing these teasers randomly.  The problem is the -140 juice that makes him seriously underwater.  He very well might win the next 3 to go 8-2.  Its a 12.5% probability.  Then again, its also a 12.5% probability he'll lose the next 3 in a row.

    You all know that I don't think teasers are a good bet.  But if you are going to do it anyway, including Atlanta is a particularly bad move.  That game is expected to be very high scoring.  The less the expected total, the more useful an extra 13 points would be.  If you are going to do it, I'd pick a team from the Chicago/Cleveland game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    what is the record for 13 teasers i think i read 5-2 is that right?   thats all i care about i wonder can he win the next 3 to go 8-2

     

    Actually, he's 5-4...close to exactly the 50/50 split that anybody could get playing these teasers randomly.  The problem is the -140 juice that makes him seriously underwater.  He very well might win the next 3 to go 8-2.  Its a 12.5% probability.  Then again, its also a 12.5% probability he'll lose the next 3 in a row.

    You all know that I don't think teasers are a good bet.  But if you are going to do it anyway, including Atlanta is a particularly bad move.  That game is expected to be very high scoring.  The less the expected total, the more useful an extra 13 points would be.  If you are going to do it, I'd pick a team from the Chicago/Cleveland game.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 9:47 PM ET #581

    Maybe last weekend was karma for the way SN responds to peoples questions. This thread has become a soap opera for me. I check in here everyday to see if SN is going to respond or make anymore picks.
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    Maybe last weekend was karma for the way SN responds to peoples questions. This thread has become a soap opera for me. I check in here everyday to see if SN is going to respond or make anymore picks.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 10:46 PM ET #582

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

     

    Actually, he's 5-4...close to exactly the 50/50 split that anybody could get playing these teasers randomly.  The problem is the -140 juice that makes him seriously underwater.  He very well might win the next 3 to go 8-2.  Its a 12.5% probability.  Then again, its also a 12.5% probability he'll lose the next 3 in a row.

    You all know that I don't think teasers are a good bet.  But if you are going to do it anyway, including Atlanta is a particularly bad move.  That game is expected to be very high scoring.  The less the expected total, the more useful an extra 13 points would be.  If you are going to do it, I'd pick a team from the Chicago/Cleveland game.

     

     

    i see what your saying with the low totals game but how come you like the cle/chi game the best?  there are some other low total games also den/bal hou/buff and nyj/mia.  who would you take in the cle/chi game clev to 26.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

     

    Actually, he's 5-4...close to exactly the 50/50 split that anybody could get playing these teasers randomly.  The problem is the -140 juice that makes him seriously underwater.  He very well might win the next 3 to go 8-2.  Its a 12.5% probability.  Then again, its also a 12.5% probability he'll lose the next 3 in a row.

    You all know that I don't think teasers are a good bet.  But if you are going to do it anyway, including Atlanta is a particularly bad move.  That game is expected to be very high scoring.  The less the expected total, the more useful an extra 13 points would be.  If you are going to do it, I'd pick a team from the Chicago/Cleveland game.

     

     

    i see what your saying with the low totals game but how come you like the cle/chi game the best?  there are some other low total games also den/bal hou/buff and nyj/mia.  who would you take in the cle/chi game clev to 26.5?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:06 PM ET #583

    730,

    For starters, go read TallGuys posts and stop betting teasers. 

    Second, if you are looking for one this week I would think Chicago is as strong a play as any other.  Chicago is in a must win position, coming off two tough road games against strong defenses. They should fair much better at home against Cleveland. Meanwhile, the Browns are showing no signs of improvement.

    There is no such thing as a lock but this game looks like it has all the right ingredients.

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    730,

    For starters, go read TallGuys posts and stop betting teasers. 

    Second, if you are looking for one this week I would think Chicago is as strong a play as any other.  Chicago is in a must win position, coming off two tough road games against strong defenses. They should fair much better at home against Cleveland. Meanwhile, the Browns are showing no signs of improvement.

    There is no such thing as a lock but this game looks like it has all the right ingredients.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2009 - 11:23 PM ET #584

    730, If there's anything you take from this thread, you should listen to TallGuy and USASufer. They might not have the most posts or garner the highest respect on these threads, and neither do I for that matter, but I have a keen eye for when people know what they are talking about and if I take one thing from this thread it's that these two guys are two of the most intelligent posters you will come across.

    TallGuy's best advice is to stop betting teasers. Go read his post earlier in the thread. I will post something on teasers too if anyone would care for me to add onto TallGuy's analysis, but I don't think it's needed.

    If you continue to ignore that though and still play parlays, his advice to take a team in an expected low scoring game is spot on too. It makes all kind of statistical sense. Higher scoring games have a slightly larger standard deviation of total points and individual team points scored than lower scoring games. Thus taking the 13 points in lower scoring game on a team is essentially more valuable. It might not seem to be much of an advantage, especially because well the games don't always play to their totals, but in the long run, it will prove to add 3-4% to your winning percentage. So in conclusion, my advice is to take the games with the lowest totals for the week, try and cap those 3-4 games, and then take the 13 points on those 3-4 teams you like in those games. GL. (I'd take the Bears to PK, or AZ to +3 for my two cents).

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    730, If there's anything you take from this thread, you should listen to TallGuy and USASufer. They might not have the most posts or garner the highest respect on these threads, and neither do I for that matter, but I have a keen eye for when people know what they are talking about and if I take one thing from this thread it's that these two guys are two of the most intelligent posters you will come across.

    TallGuy's best advice is to stop betting teasers. Go read his post earlier in the thread. I will post something on teasers too if anyone would care for me to add onto TallGuy's analysis, but I don't think it's needed.

    If you continue to ignore that though and still play parlays, his advice to take a team in an expected low scoring game is spot on too. It makes all kind of statistical sense. Higher scoring games have a slightly larger standard deviation of total points and individual team points scored than lower scoring games. Thus taking the 13 points in lower scoring game on a team is essentially more valuable. It might not seem to be much of an advantage, especially because well the games don't always play to their totals, but in the long run, it will prove to add 3-4% to your winning percentage. So in conclusion, my advice is to take the games with the lowest totals for the week, try and cap those 3-4 games, and then take the 13 points on those 3-4 teams you like in those games. GL. (I'd take the Bears to PK, or AZ to +3 for my two cents).

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 12:25 AM ET #585

    Tallguy,

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but you made a few comments that kinda stun me:

     

    1. Are you SN himself in Disguise?   LOL, How did you guess!

    2.I think I am saving people a lot of hard earned money.  SN hasnt charged anyone for anything.

    3.I feel like i'm doing a public service. Are you serious?  Many of us here can think for ourselves, a "public service" isn't needed

    Finally, you finished with a comment about you being attacked. I will say this, SN could be a lot more constructive, and alot less defensive in his responses. However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

     

     

     

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    Tallguy,

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but you made a few comments that kinda stun me:

     

    1. Are you SN himself in Disguise?   LOL, How did you guess!

    2.I think I am saving people a lot of hard earned money.  SN hasnt charged anyone for anything.

    3.I feel like i'm doing a public service. Are you serious?  Many of us here can think for ourselves, a "public service" isn't needed

    Finally, you finished with a comment about you being attacked. I will say this, SN could be a lot more constructive, and alot less defensive in his responses. However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 12:30 AM ET #586

    One more thing, we can all speculate on why SN posts here in the first place(to go tout or no). All touts are the same, and my opinion is that 98% of the covers audience is here so they can gain enough knowledge so that their need for a "tout" is not necessary.
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    One more thing, we can all speculate on why SN posts here in the first place(to go tout or no). All touts are the same, and my opinion is that 98% of the covers audience is here so they can gain enough knowledge so that their need for a "tout" is not necessary.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 2:51 AM ET #587

    yeah guys i know you shouldnt bet teasers but there is nothing wrong with entertainment wagers. so you two like the bears i assume thats what tallguy like also.
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    yeah guys i know you shouldnt bet teasers but there is nothing wrong with entertainment wagers. so you two like the bears i assume thats what tallguy like also.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 10:19 AM ET #588

    'Agree to disagree' is THE most annoying phrase of all time. Just sayin'.
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    'Agree to disagree' is THE most annoying phrase of all time. Just sayin'.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 10:20 AM ET #589

    'It is what it is' is a close 2nd.
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    'It is what it is' is a close 2nd.
     
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    s_N I just send you a PM.

    Thanks in advance.


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    s_N I just send you a PM.

    Thanks in advance.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 4:00 PM ET #591

    I think any individual opens himself up to justifiable criticism by denigrating people who question their methods. If I'm claiming a certain unit win rate & you question my methods & I call you lazy & a bottom feeder-I deserve all the criticism that comes my way. What goes around comes around.
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    I think any individual opens himself up to justifiable criticism by denigrating people who question their methods. If I'm claiming a certain unit win rate & you question my methods & I call you lazy & a bottom feeder-I deserve all the criticism that comes my way. What goes around comes around.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 7:23 PM ET #592

    agreed, tough lines this week.

    Curious to see what's out. I'm not sure I'll hit tickets hard this Sunday.

    Just some small wagers to get my fix :)

    Good luck to all. Looking forward to seeing SN's releases.
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    agreed, tough lines this week.

    Curious to see what's out. I'm not sure I'll hit tickets hard this Sunday.

    Just some small wagers to get my fix :)

    Good luck to all. Looking forward to seeing SN's releases.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 7:34 PM ET #593

    However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    I guess one of the things we disagree about is the meaning of the word "attack".   In my opinion, its not an attack if you stick to the point of the thread.  I was pointing up legitimate objections to his accounting and I had the evidence to back it up.  If somebody has a question with my methodology, I think they should question it.  There is a lot to be gained by hard questions and answers.  When I was referring to "attacks", I was referring to the pointless and juvenile namecalling.   It serves no purpose whatsoever.

     

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    However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    I guess one of the things we disagree about is the meaning of the word "attack".   In my opinion, its not an attack if you stick to the point of the thread.  I was pointing up legitimate objections to his accounting and I had the evidence to back it up.  If somebody has a question with my methodology, I think they should question it.  There is a lot to be gained by hard questions and answers.  When I was referring to "attacks", I was referring to the pointless and juvenile namecalling.   It serves no purpose whatsoever.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2009 - 8:10 PM ET #594

    tallguy what you like bears or clev?
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2009 - 3:36 PM ET #595

    Know why they call'em teasers? 'cause if they called'em asshole bets nobody would play'em. :) Now, having said that purely in jest, I like to tease myself for pure entertainment and have had some marginal success. I generall play 2 early teams and always the dog in the SNF or MNF game if the first two are alive I play the fave in the late and shoot for the middle. Usually 30-60 or 90 $ tzrs never more than that.
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    Know why they call'em teasers? 'cause if they called'em asshole bets nobody would play'em. :) Now, having said that purely in jest, I like to tease myself for pure entertainment and have had some marginal success. I generall play 2 early teams and always the dog in the SNF or MNF game if the first two are alive I play the fave in the late and shoot for the middle. Usually 30-60 or 90 $ tzrs never more than that.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2009 - 3:39 PM ET #596

    "I like to tease myself for pure entertainment and have had some marginal success"

    Now that is an unintentionally funny line. I usually have better than marginal success myself. I've "mastered" my technique over the years...

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    "I like to tease myself for pure entertainment and have had some marginal success"

    Now that is an unintentionally funny line. I usually have better than marginal success myself. I've "mastered" my technique over the years...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2009 - 10:49 PM ET #597

    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    I guess one of the things we disagree about is the meaning of the word "attack".   In my opinion, its not an attack if you stick to the point of the thread.  I was pointing up legitimate objections to his accounting and I had the evidence to back it up.  If somebody has a question with my methodology, I think they should question it.  There is a lot to be gained by hard questions and answers.  When I was referring to "attacks", I was referring to the pointless and juvenile namecalling.   It serves no purpose whatsoever.

     

    I'd like to see your "evidence" With the exception of week 5(no units attatched to ml bets) his numbers and units are rather easy to understand. We will see if his numbers truly match the units lost in week 7.

    You are correct that immature name calling serves no purpose and should not be tolerated in this forum. However, you are the one who has called SN "a fraud", and to me, that is a very strong accusation....especially without "evidence". So if you have the evidence, let's see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguyindc:

    However, you were the one who walked into his thread and questioned his integrity once you didn't get a response to your liking. Like i  said, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    I guess one of the things we disagree about is the meaning of the word "attack".   In my opinion, its not an attack if you stick to the point of the thread.  I was pointing up legitimate objections to his accounting and I had the evidence to back it up.  If somebody has a question with my methodology, I think they should question it.  There is a lot to be gained by hard questions and answers.  When I was referring to "attacks", I was referring to the pointless and juvenile namecalling.   It serves no purpose whatsoever.

     

    I'd like to see your "evidence" With the exception of week 5(no units attatched to ml bets) his numbers and units are rather easy to understand. We will see if his numbers truly match the units lost in week 7.

    You are correct that immature name calling serves no purpose and should not be tolerated in this forum. However, you are the one who has called SN "a fraud", and to me, that is a very strong accusation....especially without "evidence". So if you have the evidence, let's see it.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2009 - 6:58 AM ET #598

    ahh man who cares somebody just post some winners in here.  13 point teaser winners
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2009 - 9:24 AM ET #599

    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    ahh man who cares somebody just post some winners in here.  13 point teaser winners

    Agreed, enough bickering, let's get back on the winning track.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 730champ:

    ahh man who cares somebody just post some winners in here.  13 point teaser winners

    Agreed, enough bickering, let's get back on the winning track.

     

     
     
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    ...what is the BET????
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