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    JMon
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 10:01 AM ET #226

    Colts and NYG ML seem too easy .  Def need some bills to play those ML .
     
    Hopefully Pitt can est the run game..going to need it to win this game.  Pitt def will need to defend the pass better as well. Really like the over in this game. Going to stay away from this game. 
     
    Hard to back the cowboys being a bronco fan  [suprised the line hasn't moved yet].  I usually get some good insight from your teaser play, which is my fav type of bet... 5-0 on teasers heading into this week.
     
    GL my friend...
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    Colts and NYG ML seem too easy .  Def need some bills to play those ML .
     
    Hopefully Pitt can est the run game..going to need it to win this game.  Pitt def will need to defend the pass better as well. Really like the over in this game. Going to stay away from this game. 
     
    Hard to back the cowboys being a bronco fan  [suprised the line hasn't moved yet].  I usually get some good insight from your teaser play, which is my fav type of bet... 5-0 on teasers heading into this week.
     
    GL my friend...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 1:02 PM ET #227

    I don't think Bronco line is going to move at all.  There is equal people on each side. 

    GL to you JMon


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    I don't think Bronco line is going to move at all.  There is equal people on each side. 

    GL to you JMon


     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 1:54 PM ET #228

    Com' on Flacco!
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    Com' on Flacco!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 5:37 PM ET #229

    The most uptight zebra crew in the NFL is Ron Winter's.  I think it was just before the Pats went up 17-7, when he called roughing the passer and a 15 yard penalty against the Ravens.  The problem with that call, other than that, if I remember correctly, the Pats would have had to punt?  Brady was only brushed, because he stepped aside!!  Since when is brushing the passer a penalty?
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    The most uptight zebra crew in the NFL is Ron Winter's.  I think it was just before the Pats went up 17-7, when he called roughing the passer and a 15 yard penalty against the Ravens.  The problem with that call, other than that, if I remember correctly, the Pats would have had to punt?  Brady was only brushed, because he stepped aside!!  Since when is brushing the passer a penalty?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 5:52 PM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse21:

    The most uptight zebra crew in the NFL is Ron Winter's.  I think it was just before the Pats went up 17-7, when he called roughing the passer and a 15 yard penalty against the Ravens.  The problem with that call, other than that, if I remember correctly, the Pats would have had to punt?  Brady was only brushed, because he stepped aside!!  Since when is brushing the passer a penalty?


    This game sucked.  I totally agree with you.
    Not only this though, is was so frustrating, 12sec til end of the game where we could not catch that fcken ball.  What a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse21:

    The most uptight zebra crew in the NFL is Ron Winter's.  I think it was just before the Pats went up 17-7, when he called roughing the passer and a 15 yard penalty against the Ravens.  The problem with that call, other than that, if I remember correctly, the Pats would have had to punt?  Brady was only brushed, because he stepped aside!!  Since when is brushing the passer a penalty?


    This game sucked.  I totally agree with you.
    Not only this though, is was so frustrating, 12sec til end of the game where we could not catch that fcken ball.  What a shame.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 6:36 PM ET #231

    Quote Originally Posted by JMon:

    Colts and NYG ML seem too easy .  Def need some bills to play those ML .
     
    Hopefully Pitt can est the run game..going to need it to win this game.  Pitt def will need to defend the pass better as well. Really like the over in this game. Going to stay away from this game. 
     
    Hard to back the cowboys being a bronco fan  [suprised the line hasn't moved yet].  I usually get some good insight from your teaser play, which is my fav type of bet... 5-0 on teasers heading into this week.
     
    GL my friend...


    You made a nice choice(s) today. nice job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMon:

    Colts and NYG ML seem too easy .  Def need some bills to play those ML .
     
    Hopefully Pitt can est the run game..going to need it to win this game.  Pitt def will need to defend the pass better as well. Really like the over in this game. Going to stay away from this game. 
     
    Hard to back the cowboys being a bronco fan  [suprised the line hasn't moved yet].  I usually get some good insight from your teaser play, which is my fav type of bet... 5-0 on teasers heading into this week.
     
    GL my friend...


    You made a nice choice(s) today. nice job.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 4, 2009 - 7:25 PM ET #232

    Another good 4-game, 13 point teaser.  Congrats. 
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    Another good 4-game, 13 point teaser.  Congrats. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 3:28 AM ET #233

    Brady's former teammate, Rodney Harrison, about that brushing the passer call:

    "Horrible call. You can't make this call. And Tom Brady, if you're listening, take off the skirt and put on some slacks. Toughen up."






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    Brady's former teammate, Rodney Harrison, about that brushing the passer call:

    "Horrible call. You can't make this call. And Tom Brady, if you're listening, take off the skirt and put on some slacks. Toughen up."






     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 6:09 AM ET #234

    Another week with profit... nice work
     
    =============================================================
    Week 1 
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1)
    Vikings(+9.5)
    Saints(PK)
    Patriots(+2.5)   -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(+3.08)
     
    Vikings(-3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.0) = W(+10.0)   
    Colts(-280)      -> Risk(5.6)@-280 / Win(2.00) = W(+2.00)
                                                          +++Total = (+15.08) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 2
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+16)
    Vikings(+3.5)
    Saints(+12)
    Dolphins(+16)      -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(3.08)
    Steelers(-140)     -> Risk(7.0)@-140 / Win(5.0)  = L(-7.00)
    Ravens(+3.5)      -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.)  = W(+10.0)
    Dolphins(+3.5)    -> Risk(5.5)@-110 / Win(5.0)  = L(-5.50)
                                                            +++Total = (+0.58) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 3
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1.5)
    Bills(+19.5)
    Dolphins(+19.5)
    Cardinals(+10.5)     -> Risk(13)@-130 / Win(10.2) = L(-13.0)
     
    Redskins(-250ML)  -> Risk(2.5)@-250 / Win(1.0) = L(-2.5)
    Vikings(-280ML)    -> Risk(2.8)@-250 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Ravens(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.8)@-780 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Rams(+7)             -> Risk(2.2)@-110 / Win(2.0) = L(-2.2)
    Cowboys(-380ML)  -> Risk(38.)@-110 / Win(10.) = L(+10.)
                                                             +++Total =  (-5.70) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 4
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+14.5)
    Bengals(+7)
    Saints(+6.5)
    Cowboys(+10)        -> Risk(3.00)@-130 / Win(2.5) = W(+2.50)
     
    Colts(-550ML)         -> Risk(11.0)@-550 / Win(2.0) = W(+2.00)
    Cowboys(-140ML)   -> Risk(4.20)@-550 / Win(3.0) = L(-4.20)
    Steelers(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.50)@-250 / Win(3.0) = w(+3.00)
    Giants(-380ML)      -> Risk(11.4)@-550 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
    Ravens(+3)            -> Risk(4.40)@-110 / Win(4.0) = L(-4.40)
    Bengals(-5)           -> Risk(3.30)@-110 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
                                                                +++Total =  (+4.90) +++
    =============================================================
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                                                          ==== Overall = (+14.86) ====
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    Another week with profit... nice work
     
    =============================================================
    Week 1 
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1)
    Vikings(+9.5)
    Saints(PK)
    Patriots(+2.5)   -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(+3.08)
     
    Vikings(-3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.0) = W(+10.0)   
    Colts(-280)      -> Risk(5.6)@-280 / Win(2.00) = W(+2.00)
                                                          +++Total = (+15.08) +++
    =============================================================
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    Week 2
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+16)
    Vikings(+3.5)
    Saints(+12)
    Dolphins(+16)      -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(3.08)
    Steelers(-140)     -> Risk(7.0)@-140 / Win(5.0)  = L(-7.00)
    Ravens(+3.5)      -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.)  = W(+10.0)
    Dolphins(+3.5)    -> Risk(5.5)@-110 / Win(5.0)  = L(-5.50)
                                                            +++Total = (+0.58) +++
    =============================================================
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    Week 3
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1.5)
    Bills(+19.5)
    Dolphins(+19.5)
    Cardinals(+10.5)     -> Risk(13)@-130 / Win(10.2) = L(-13.0)
     
    Redskins(-250ML)  -> Risk(2.5)@-250 / Win(1.0) = L(-2.5)
    Vikings(-280ML)    -> Risk(2.8)@-250 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Ravens(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.8)@-780 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Rams(+7)             -> Risk(2.2)@-110 / Win(2.0) = L(-2.2)
    Cowboys(-380ML)  -> Risk(38.)@-110 / Win(10.) = L(+10.)
                                                             +++Total =  (-5.70) +++
    =============================================================
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    Week 4
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+14.5)
    Bengals(+7)
    Saints(+6.5)
    Cowboys(+10)        -> Risk(3.00)@-130 / Win(2.5) = W(+2.50)
     
    Colts(-550ML)         -> Risk(11.0)@-550 / Win(2.0) = W(+2.00)
    Cowboys(-140ML)   -> Risk(4.20)@-550 / Win(3.0) = L(-4.20)
    Steelers(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.50)@-250 / Win(3.0) = w(+3.00)
    Giants(-380ML)      -> Risk(11.4)@-550 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
    Ravens(+3)            -> Risk(4.40)@-110 / Win(4.0) = L(-4.40)
    Bengals(-5)           -> Risk(3.30)@-110 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
                                                                +++Total =  (+4.90) +++
    =============================================================
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                                                          ==== Overall = (+14.86) ====
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 6:14 AM ET #235

    Sorry... Please disregard previous post...
     
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    =============================================================
    Week 1 
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1)
    Vikings(+9.5)
    Saints(PK)
    Patriots(+2.5)   -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(+3.08)
    Vikings(-3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.0) = W(+10.0)   
    Colts(-280)      -> Risk(5.6)@-280 / Win(2.00) = W(+2.00)
                                          +++Total = (+15.08) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 2
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+16)
    Vikings(+3.5)
    Saints(+12)
    Dolphins(+16)    -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(3.08)
    Steelers(-140)     -> Risk(7.0)@-140 / Win(5.0)  = L(-7.00)
    Ravens(+3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.)  = W(+10.0)
    Dolphins(+3.5)    -> Risk(5.5)@-110 / Win(5.0)  = L(-5.50)
                                           +++Total = (+0.58) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 3
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1.5)
    Bills(+19.5)
    Dolphins(+19.5)
    Cardinals(+10.5)  -> Risk(13)@-130 / Win(10.2) = L(-13.0)
     
    Redskins(-250ML)  -> Risk(2.5)@-250 / Win(1.0) = L(-2.5)
    Vikings(-280ML)   -> Risk(2.8)@-250 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Ravens(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.8)@-780 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Rams(+7)          -> Risk(2.2)@-110 / Win(2.0) = L(-2.2)
    Cowboys(-380ML)   -> Risk(38.)@-110 / Win(10.) = L(+10.)
                                     +++Total =  (-5.70) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 4
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+14.5)
    Bengals(+7)
    Saints(+6.5)
    Cowboys(+10)        -> Risk(3.00)@-130 / Win(2.5) = W(+2.50)
    Colts(-550ML)       -> Risk(11.0)@-550 / Win(2.0) = W(+2.00)
    Cowboys(-140ML)     -> Risk(4.20)@-550 / Win(3.0) = L(-4.20)
    Steelers(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.50)@-250 / Win(3.0) = w(+3.00)
    Giants(-380ML)      -> Risk(11.4)@-550 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
    Ravens(+3)          -> Risk(4.40)@-110 / Win(4.0) = L(-4.40)
    Bengals(-5)         -> Risk(3.30)@-110 / Win(3.0) = L(-3.30)
                                         +++Total =    (-1.40) +++
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                                     ==== Overall = (+8.56) ====
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    Week 1 
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1)
    Vikings(+9.5)
    Saints(PK)
    Patriots(+2.5)   -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(+3.08)
    Vikings(-3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.0) = W(+10.0)   
    Colts(-280)      -> Risk(5.6)@-280 / Win(2.00) = W(+2.00)
                                          +++Total = (+15.08) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 2
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+16)
    Vikings(+3.5)
    Saints(+12)
    Dolphins(+16)    -> Risk(4.0)@-130 / Win(3.08) = W(3.08)
    Steelers(-140)     -> Risk(7.0)@-140 / Win(5.0)  = L(-7.00)
    Ravens(+3.5)    -> Risk(11.)@-110 / Win(10.)  = W(+10.0)
    Dolphins(+3.5)    -> Risk(5.5)@-110 / Win(5.0)  = L(-5.50)
                                           +++Total = (+0.58) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 3
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+1.5)
    Bills(+19.5)
    Dolphins(+19.5)
    Cardinals(+10.5)  -> Risk(13)@-130 / Win(10.2) = L(-13.0)
     
    Redskins(-250ML)  -> Risk(2.5)@-250 / Win(1.0) = L(-2.5)
    Vikings(-280ML)   -> Risk(2.8)@-250 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Ravens(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.8)@-780 / Win(1.0) = W(+1.0)
    Rams(+7)          -> Risk(2.2)@-110 / Win(2.0) = L(-2.2)
    Cowboys(-380ML)   -> Risk(38.)@-110 / Win(10.) = L(+10.)
                                     +++Total =  (-5.70) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
    Week 4
    ---13Pt Teaser---
    Ravens(+14.5)
    Bengals(+7)
    Saints(+6.5)
    Cowboys(+10)        -> Risk(3.00)@-130 / Win(2.5) = W(+2.50)
    Colts(-550ML)       -> Risk(11.0)@-550 / Win(2.0) = W(+2.00)
    Cowboys(-140ML)     -> Risk(4.20)@-550 / Win(3.0) = L(-4.20)
    Steelers(-250ML)    -> Risk(7.50)@-250 / Win(3.0) = w(+3.00)
    Giants(-380ML)      -> Risk(11.4)@-550 / Win(3.0) = W(+3.00)
    Ravens(+3)          -> Risk(4.40)@-110 / Win(4.0) = L(-4.40)
    Bengals(-5)         -> Risk(3.30)@-110 / Win(3.0) = L(-3.30)
                                         +++Total =    (-1.40) +++
    =============================================================
    =============================================================
                                     ==== Overall = (+8.56) ====
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 8:08 AM ET #236

    Hey SN, when you listed Ravens as 'dramatic' play, did you bet them heavy? Thanks.

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    Hey SN, when you listed Ravens as 'dramatic' play, did you bet them heavy? Thanks.

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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 11:12 AM ET #237

    I believe the "dramatic" was in regards to the line movement. Typically, a line movement by a point or more so close to game time means a lot of "smart" money has just been put down on the Ravens. 
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    I believe the "dramatic" was in regards to the line movement. Typically, a line movement by a point or more so close to game time means a lot of "smart" money has just been put down on the Ravens. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 11:51 AM ET #238

    Quote Originally Posted by hoop121:

    I believe the "dramatic" was in regards to the line movement. Typically, a line movement by a point or more so close to game time means a lot of "smart" money has just been put down on the Ravens. 


    ohhh i see.  i thought he meant that it was a dramatic play for him, as he put much more $. 
    well i took a beating this week.

    it's okay it was MY misunderstanding, and thank you for the explanation
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoop121:

    I believe the "dramatic" was in regards to the line movement. Typically, a line movement by a point or more so close to game time means a lot of "smart" money has just been put down on the Ravens. 


    ohhh i see.  i thought he meant that it was a dramatic play for him, as he put much more $. 
    well i took a beating this week.

    it's okay it was MY misunderstanding, and thank you for the explanation
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 12:16 PM ET #239

    I have been following, I only put 1 unit per ml bet. I have been doing ok. I didnt follow on Balt. or Bengals yesterday. Keep up the good work. I like reading your information. Thanks!
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    I have been following, I only put 1 unit per ml bet. I have been doing ok. I didnt follow on Balt. or Bengals yesterday. Keep up the good work. I like reading your information. Thanks!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 12:52 PM ET #240

    NFL 09' strategic wagering Matchup_Performance version...
     
     
    MNF week 4 release
     
    VIKINGS -200 ML / 20units
     
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    NFL 09' strategic wagering Matchup_Performance version...
     
     
    MNF week 4 release
     
    VIKINGS -200 ML / 20units
     
     
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    MB11MB
                   thx, appreciate your post
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse21:

    Brady's former teammate, Rodney Harrison, about that brushing the passer call:

    "Horrible call. You can't make this call. And Tom Brady, if you're listening, take off the skirt and put on some slacks. Toughen up."






    Rodney Harrison made the correct call

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse21:

    Brady's former teammate, Rodney Harrison, about that brushing the passer call:

    "Horrible call. You can't make this call. And Tom Brady, if you're listening, take off the skirt and put on some slacks. Toughen up."






    Rodney Harrison made the correct call

    SN

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 1:09 PM ET #243

    In Brady's defense I don't think he was mad about being touched. I think he was upset because he thought the player was intentionally going after his knee and he wanted to be protected from that.

    The actual touch from the player didn't warrant the penalty.

    Funny call by Rodney Harrison though. I cracked up!
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    In Brady's defense I don't think he was mad about being touched. I think he was upset because he thought the player was intentionally going after his knee and he wanted to be protected from that.

    The actual touch from the player didn't warrant the penalty.

    Funny call by Rodney Harrison though. I cracked up!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 5:06 PM ET #244

    SN, glad you and the MP formula are both on the Vikings. GL, I'm on them heavy too. All the best.
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    SN, glad you and the MP formula are both on the Vikings. GL, I'm on them heavy too. All the best.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 5:13 PM ET #245

    Smart money does not come in at the last second to change a line. Public money does and usually that is bad money, smart money is often times buying back right before game time. SN, congrats on the NFL so far, you have a unique way of playing the NFL and it is interesting to say the least.
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    Smart money does not come in at the last second to change a line. Public money does and usually that is bad money, smart money is often times buying back right before game time. SN, congrats on the NFL so far, you have a unique way of playing the NFL and it is interesting to say the least.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 5:44 PM ET #246

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph444:

    Smart money does not come in at the last second to change a line. Public money does and usually that is bad money, smart money is often times buying back right before game time. SN, congrats on the NFL so far, you have a unique way of playing the NFL and it is interesting to say the least.

    Isn't that the same thing?

    If "smart" money bought the Pats early and then questioned it and "bought back" in your words on the Ravens then that would have made the line move in favor of the Ravens just as much as "Public" money. 

    So I guess I'm not understanding your point Ralph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph444:

    Smart money does not come in at the last second to change a line. Public money does and usually that is bad money, smart money is often times buying back right before game time. SN, congrats on the NFL so far, you have a unique way of playing the NFL and it is interesting to say the least.

    Isn't that the same thing?

    If "smart" money bought the Pats early and then questioned it and "bought back" in your words on the Ravens then that would have made the line move in favor of the Ravens just as much as "Public" money. 

    So I guess I'm not understanding your point Ralph?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 7:40 PM ET #247

    Speaking of "Public Money" everyone and their dog are on Brett Favre and the Vikings tonight. Also pounding the Over 46.5

    Expect the "Smart Money" to roll in on the Packers right before kick-off.
    Sometimes Game Film can be a little mis-leading if you aren't focusing on the right areas. I'm sure SN has not over-looked these areas, but I think the Packers keep this close and cover.

    I have Vikings 24  Packers 21  -  also keeping the Total just Under.

    This still means Minnesota wins tho, so cash tho tickets boys!!

    GL 
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    Speaking of "Public Money" everyone and their dog are on Brett Favre and the Vikings tonight. Also pounding the Over 46.5

    Expect the "Smart Money" to roll in on the Packers right before kick-off.
    Sometimes Game Film can be a little mis-leading if you aren't focusing on the right areas. I'm sure SN has not over-looked these areas, but I think the Packers keep this close and cover.

    I have Vikings 24  Packers 21  -  also keeping the Total just Under.

    This still means Minnesota wins tho, so cash tho tickets boys!!

    GL 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 8:40 PM ET #248

    Square or not, I doubt it will be close. 

    Prop: 2H > 1H pts
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    Square or not, I doubt it will be close. 

    Prop: 2H > 1H pts
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2009 - 10:43 PM ET #249

    so far Vik by 14 4min left - looking sharp out there
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    so far Vik by 14 4min left - looking sharp out there
     
     
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    ohhh and SN I would also like to thank you for the post
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