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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 2:06 PM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by vixen321:

    Hi Rizz,
    I loved this quarter  system for the regular NBA system but it's crazy times during the playoffs!   I feel like the zig zag theory comes into play more  from one game to another during the series.  Playoffs are a different animal so I am going to look for situational opportunities that arise and try to be more selective.
    Last night was a typical game for Boston coming out strong in the first half and 1st Q and then losing steam to lose and not cover the game.  Bad sign for Boston! Also not unlike Cavs and LBron to turn it on when they have to.
    Your insight is awesome!!!!; I will still follow you.  GL !

    Pretty much doing the same vixen.  My logic and info I posted on the hawks last game at home is how they played today which got me an early win, but last game would have had to chase til the 3rd qtr which makes me nervous in some of these tight games.  Hopefully we all have a good season with the bases.  Once the season is done, I am going to update my database for this year.  I am sure there are angles we could use to play team totals, over/unders, etc also.  I just wish I could get all the qtr by qtr lines, so we could really hammer this stuff.  Really like what you guys are doing in nabil's thread and have been following closely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vixen321:

    Hi Rizz,
    I loved this quarter  system for the regular NBA system but it's crazy times during the playoffs!   I feel like the zig zag theory comes into play more  from one game to another during the series.  Playoffs are a different animal so I am going to look for situational opportunities that arise and try to be more selective.
    Last night was a typical game for Boston coming out strong in the first half and 1st Q and then losing steam to lose and not cover the game.  Bad sign for Boston! Also not unlike Cavs and LBron to turn it on when they have to.
    Your insight is awesome!!!!; I will still follow you.  GL !

    Pretty much doing the same vixen.  My logic and info I posted on the hawks last game at home is how they played today which got me an early win, but last game would have had to chase til the 3rd qtr which makes me nervous in some of these tight games.  Hopefully we all have a good season with the bases.  Once the season is done, I am going to update my database for this year.  I am sure there are angles we could use to play team totals, over/unders, etc also.  I just wish I could get all the qtr by qtr lines, so we could really hammer this stuff.  Really like what you guys are doing in nabil's thread and have been following closely!

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 2:32 PM ET #152

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Pretty much doing the same vixen.  My logic and info I posted on the hawks last game at home is how they played today which got me an early win, but last game would have had to chase til the 3rd qtr which makes me nervous in some of these tight games.  Hopefully we all have a good season with the bases.  Once the season is done, I am going to update my database for this year.  I am sure there are angles we could use to play team totals, over/unders, etc also.  I just wish I could get all the qtr by qtr lines, so we could really hammer this stuff.  Really like what you guys are doing in nabil's thread and have been following closely!


    Cool! Yes, Nabil's thread has some great info available for MLB.  It needs more filters because it's too many favorites and high chalk although they usually go with a runline in those cases. 
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    Pretty much doing the same vixen.  My logic and info I posted on the hawks last game at home is how they played today which got me an early win, but last game would have had to chase til the 3rd qtr which makes me nervous in some of these tight games.  Hopefully we all have a good season with the bases.  Once the season is done, I am going to update my database for this year.  I am sure there are angles we could use to play team totals, over/unders, etc also.  I just wish I could get all the qtr by qtr lines, so we could really hammer this stuff.  Really like what you guys are doing in nabil's thread and have been following closely!


    Cool! Yes, Nabil's thread has some great info available for MLB.  It needs more filters because it's too many favorites and high chalk although they usually go with a runline in those cases. 
     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 2:39 PM ET #153

    UTA at LAL

    UTAH road

    Cumulative:    37.9%     82.8%        89.7%        100%

    by qtr:            37.95     58.6%         44.8%        55.2%

    LAL home

    cumulative:     50%      70.6%         91.2%         100%

    by qtr:            50%      44.1%         64.7%          44.1%

    LAL have won 2 out of last 3 first qtrs.  Think the lakers come out with high intensity to take the first... will likely be a tight series.  Utah is a good second qtr team on the road, LAL good in 3rd.  Jazz have a low 1st qtr % but good 2nd qtr so if they get down likely fight back.  LAL have a good 1st but not so good first 2 cumulative so may be more likely to lay down for the first half if they get behind.

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    UTA at LAL

    UTAH road

    Cumulative:    37.9%     82.8%        89.7%        100%

    by qtr:            37.95     58.6%         44.8%        55.2%

    LAL home

    cumulative:     50%      70.6%         91.2%         100%

    by qtr:            50%      44.1%         64.7%          44.1%

    LAL have won 2 out of last 3 first qtrs.  Think the lakers come out with high intensity to take the first... will likely be a tight series.  Utah is a good second qtr team on the road, LAL good in 3rd.  Jazz have a low 1st qtr % but good 2nd qtr so if they get down likely fight back.  LAL have a good 1st but not so good first 2 cumulative so may be more likely to lay down for the first half if they get behind.

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 4:07 PM ET #154

    1st qtr LAL -2.5
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 7:31 PM ET #155

    Question Rizz, What Do You Think About 1st Half/2nd Half Wagering Instead Of By Quarters?
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 7:38 PM ET #156

    Quote Originally Posted by jaybosstein:

    Question Rizz, What Do You Think About 1st Half/2nd Half Wagering Instead Of By Quarters?

    Honestly, haven't looked into it much but I am sure a similar analysis could be run to try to predict outcomes

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybosstein:

    Question Rizz, What Do You Think About 1st Half/2nd Half Wagering Instead Of By Quarters?

    Honestly, haven't looked into it much but I am sure a similar analysis could be run to try to predict outcomes

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 8:02 PM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Honestly, haven't looked into it much but I am sure a similar analysis could be run to try to predict outcomes

    Ok.  Well I Put In For The Lakers To Win By -1.5 On 2nd Half, And Jazz Ended Up Covering.  Now, I Crunch Numbers From Time to Time And What I Came Up With While Watching This Game Was This: 

    Jazz(Underdog) +7

    Lakers(Favorite) -7

    1st Half (Jazz +4) (Lakers -4), By Subtracting 7 By 50%, The Spread Should've Been -3.5, It Came Out To Be -4(Off By 0.5).  Lakers Win 53-45.  2nd Half (Jazz +1.5) (Lakers -1.5), By Subtracting -4 By 50% Again From 1st Half, The Spread Should've Came Out To -2(Off By 1.75).  Jazz Win 54-51.  Now I Read Somewhere That If The Favorite Is Covering By Halftime To Consider It A Play For The Next Half.  What Do U Think About This? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Honestly, haven't looked into it much but I am sure a similar analysis could be run to try to predict outcomes

    Ok.  Well I Put In For The Lakers To Win By -1.5 On 2nd Half, And Jazz Ended Up Covering.  Now, I Crunch Numbers From Time to Time And What I Came Up With While Watching This Game Was This: 

    Jazz(Underdog) +7

    Lakers(Favorite) -7

    1st Half (Jazz +4) (Lakers -4), By Subtracting 7 By 50%, The Spread Should've Been -3.5, It Came Out To Be -4(Off By 0.5).  Lakers Win 53-45.  2nd Half (Jazz +1.5) (Lakers -1.5), By Subtracting -4 By 50% Again From 1st Half, The Spread Should've Came Out To -2(Off By 1.75).  Jazz Win 54-51.  Now I Read Somewhere That If The Favorite Is Covering By Halftime To Consider It A Play For The Next Half.  What Do U Think About This? 

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 9:35 PM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by jaybosstein:

    Ok.  Well I Put In For The Lakers To Win By -1.5 On 2nd Half, And Jazz Ended Up Covering.  Now, I Crunch Numbers From Time to Time And What I Came Up With While Watching This Game Was This: 

    Jazz(Underdog) +7

    Lakers(Favorite) -7

    1st Half (Jazz +4) (Lakers -4), By Subtracting 7 By 50%, The Spread Should've Been -3.5, It Came Out To Be -4(Off By 0.5).  Lakers Win 53-45.  2nd Half (Jazz +1.5) (Lakers -1.5), By Subtracting -4 By 50% Again From 1st Half, The Spread Should've Came Out To -2(Off By 1.75).  Jazz Win 54-51.  Now I Read Somewhere That If The Favorite Is Covering By Halftime To Consider It A Play For The Next Half.  What Do U Think About This? 

    Jay I have never heard that.  Not saying it isn't true but just that I have never read that before.  The only way to assess it would be to run an analysis on all the teams that won the 1st half and see the percentage that hits the second...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybosstein:

    Ok.  Well I Put In For The Lakers To Win By -1.5 On 2nd Half, And Jazz Ended Up Covering.  Now, I Crunch Numbers From Time to Time And What I Came Up With While Watching This Game Was This: 

    Jazz(Underdog) +7

    Lakers(Favorite) -7

    1st Half (Jazz +4) (Lakers -4), By Subtracting 7 By 50%, The Spread Should've Been -3.5, It Came Out To Be -4(Off By 0.5).  Lakers Win 53-45.  2nd Half (Jazz +1.5) (Lakers -1.5), By Subtracting -4 By 50% Again From 1st Half, The Spread Should've Came Out To -2(Off By 1.75).  Jazz Win 54-51.  Now I Read Somewhere That If The Favorite Is Covering By Halftime To Consider It A Play For The Next Half.  What Do U Think About This? 

    Jay I have never heard that.  Not saying it isn't true but just that I have never read that before.  The only way to assess it would be to run an analysis on all the teams that won the 1st half and see the percentage that hits the second...

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2010 - 10:09 PM ET #159

    Thanx, Now Just Going Back On My Papers Since The Playoffs Started, It Seems That Had The Spread Been Bumped Up To -2 The Lakers Would've Covered.
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    Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 7:17 PM ET #160

    Tonights game

    BOS at CLE

    BOS road

    cumulative:    40.6%      81.2%       93.8%          96.9%

    by qtr:           40.6%      62.5%        43.8%         37.55

     

    CLE home

    cumulative:     61.3%       80.6%       100%         100%

    by qtr:            61.3%       45.2%        54.8%        38.7%

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    Tonights game

    BOS at CLE

    BOS road

    cumulative:    40.6%      81.2%       93.8%          96.9%

    by qtr:           40.6%      62.5%        43.8%         37.55

     

    CLE home

    cumulative:     61.3%       80.6%       100%         100%

    by qtr:            61.3%       45.2%        54.8%        38.7%

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 7:18 PM ET #161

    going to try the cavs again 1st qtr -2
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    Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 9:47 PM ET #162

    damn you cavs!  Tried the first and missed.  thought I would jump in again in the 3rd and they are sucking ass again.
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    damn you cavs!  Tried the first and missed.  thought I would jump in again in the 3rd and they are sucking ass again.
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 10:36 PM ET #163

    Come on cavs! Just win the qtr!
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    Posted: May. 3, 2010 - 10:54 PM ET #164

     Lost 3U tonight on this shat game by cavs, should've followed my initial instincts and switched to celts in 2nd instead of sitting it out.  It is definitely not worth chasing in these games for the playoffs.
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     Lost 3U tonight on this shat game by cavs, should've followed my initial instincts and switched to celts in 2nd instead of sitting it out.  It is definitely not worth chasing in these games for the playoffs.
     
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    Backtested for the 2007-8 season today.  Playing on all home teams to win at least one quarter (using one third the opening line as a guesstimate for the quarter lines)

    1200/1230 = 97.6%

    Spread in losses:

    +5 and higher = 3

    0 - +4.5 = 7

    -0.5 - -5 = 7

    -5.5 + = 13

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    Backtested for the 2007-8 season today.  Playing on all home teams to win at least one quarter (using one third the opening line as a guesstimate for the quarter lines)

    1200/1230 = 97.6%

    Spread in losses:

    +5 and higher = 3

    0 - +4.5 = 7

    -0.5 - -5 = 7

    -5.5 + = 13

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2010 - 7:26 AM ET #167

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Tonights game

    BOS at CLE

    BOS road

    cumulative:    40.6%      81.2%       93.8%          96.9%

    by qtr:           40.6%      62.5%        43.8%         37.55

     

    CLE home

    cumulative:     61.3%       80.6%       100%         100%

    by qtr:            61.3%       45.2%        54.8%        38.7%


    therizz, duuude. Please tell me where do you get this percents. What is it ''cumulative'', ''by qtr''?
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    Tonights game

    BOS at CLE

    BOS road

    cumulative:    40.6%      81.2%       93.8%          96.9%

    by qtr:           40.6%      62.5%        43.8%         37.55

     

    CLE home

    cumulative:     61.3%       80.6%       100%         100%

    by qtr:            61.3%       45.2%        54.8%        38.7%


    therizz, duuude. Please tell me where do you get this percents. What is it ''cumulative'', ''by qtr''?
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2010 - 1:25 PM ET #168

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizl-Shizl:


    therizz, duuude. Please tell me where do you get this percents. What is it ''cumulative'', ''by qtr''?

    These were stats I came up with during the regular season.  Cumulative means that team wins at least one quarter by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter.  The by qtr stats are just the percentage of the time that team wins each individual quarter.  Remember these are regular season stats.  We hope to hammer this next year during the regular season but have backed off for the playoffs...

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    therizz, duuude. Please tell me where do you get this percents. What is it ''cumulative'', ''by qtr''?

    These were stats I came up with during the regular season.  Cumulative means that team wins at least one quarter by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter.  The by qtr stats are just the percentage of the time that team wins each individual quarter.  Remember these are regular season stats.  We hope to hammer this next year during the regular season but have backed off for the playoffs...

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2010 - 4:39 PM ET #169

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    These were stats I came up with during the regular season.  Cumulative means that team wins at least one quarter by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter.  The by qtr stats are just the percentage of the time that team wins each individual quarter.  Remember these are regular season stats.  We hope to hammer this next year during the regular season but have backed off for the playoffs...


    fuck, i'm stupid or what? I got it with "by qtr", but still can't understand "cumulative"..can you show example please? 
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    These were stats I came up with during the regular season.  Cumulative means that team wins at least one quarter by the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter.  The by qtr stats are just the percentage of the time that team wins each individual quarter.  Remember these are regular season stats.  We hope to hammer this next year during the regular season but have backed off for the playoffs...


    fuck, i'm stupid or what? I got it with "by qtr", but still can't understand "cumulative"..can you show example please? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizl-Shizl:


    fuck, i'm stupid or what? I got it with "by qtr", but still can't understand "cumulative"..can you show example please? 

    Lets take the cavs in the example you posted.   At home this season at the time I stopped tracking these stats the cavs won the 1st quarter in their games 61.3% of the time, 45% won the 2nd quarter, 54.8% of the time they won the 3rd qtr.

     

    For the cumulative #'s, we are talking about the chance to win one quarter if we were chasing them, so they win the 1st qtr 61.3%, they win the first or second qtr 80.6% of the time, or they win at least 1 in the first 3 qtrs in 100% of their games.... once again these stats are outdated at this time but that is what they mean.

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    fuck, i'm stupid or what? I got it with "by qtr", but still can't understand "cumulative"..can you show example please? 

    Lets take the cavs in the example you posted.   At home this season at the time I stopped tracking these stats the cavs won the 1st quarter in their games 61.3% of the time, 45% won the 2nd quarter, 54.8% of the time they won the 3rd qtr.

     

    For the cumulative #'s, we are talking about the chance to win one quarter if we were chasing them, so they win the 1st qtr 61.3%, they win the first or second qtr 80.6% of the time, or they win at least 1 in the first 3 qtrs in 100% of their games.... once again these stats are outdated at this time but that is what they mean.

     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2010 - 6:55 AM ET #171

    Quote Originally Posted by therizz:

    Lets take the cavs in the example you posted.   At home this season at the time I stopped tracking these stats the cavs won the 1st quarter in their games 61.3% of the time, 45% won the 2nd quarter, 54.8% of the time they won the 3rd qtr.

     

    For the cumulative #'s, we are talking about the chance to win one quarter if we were chasing them, so they win the 1st qtr 61.3%, they win the first or second qtr 80.6% of the time, or they win at least 1 in the first 3 qtrs in 100% of their games.... once again these stats are outdated at this time but that is what they mean.


    Fufff I got it, thnx man  So we need "cumulative" for play on-line bets ?
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    Lets take the cavs in the example you posted.   At home this season at the time I stopped tracking these stats the cavs won the 1st quarter in their games 61.3% of the time, 45% won the 2nd quarter, 54.8% of the time they won the 3rd qtr.

     

    For the cumulative #'s, we are talking about the chance to win one quarter if we were chasing them, so they win the 1st qtr 61.3%, they win the first or second qtr 80.6% of the time, or they win at least 1 in the first 3 qtrs in 100% of their games.... once again these stats are outdated at this time but that is what they mean.


    Fufff I got it, thnx man  So we need "cumulative" for play on-line bets ?
     
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    it's all because of my the English
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    it's all because of my the English
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizl-Shizl:

    it's all because of my the English

    No worries grizl.  We generally would play on the team with the higher cumulative numbers for the first 2 or 3 quarters and bet until they win a quarter.  For example bet 10 on 1st qtr, 20 on 2nd, 40 on 3rd until we get a win.  Our goal is to leave each game with 10 (or whatever amount you hope to win) in your pocket.  Should be pretty easy to follow once we start making the plays next season.

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    it's all because of my the English

    No worries grizl.  We generally would play on the team with the higher cumulative numbers for the first 2 or 3 quarters and bet until they win a quarter.  For example bet 10 on 1st qtr, 20 on 2nd, 40 on 3rd until we get a win.  Our goal is to leave each game with 10 (or whatever amount you hope to win) in your pocket.  Should be pretty easy to follow once we start making the plays next season.

     
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    I really like this Rizz..

    As someone who hates investing in the NBA, but loves to systematically take advantage of Live-Wagering options, this really intrigues me and I will be looking forward to implementing this next season at some point.

    Great Work.

    Cheers 
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    I really like this Rizz..

    As someone who hates investing in the NBA, but loves to systematically take advantage of Live-Wagering options, this really intrigues me and I will be looking forward to implementing this next season at some point.

    Great Work.

    Cheers 
     
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2010 - 8:36 PM ET #175

    Quote Originally Posted by kreatture:

    I really like this Rizz..

    As someone who hates investing in the NBA, but loves to systematically take advantage of Live-Wagering options, this really intrigues me and I will be looking forward to implementing this next season at some point.

    Great Work.

    Cheers 

    I was excited for the start of baseball, after the last 3 weeks or so I am ready to go back to regular season nba!  Hopefully we can all work together to really capitalize on this next season

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    I really like this Rizz..

    As someone who hates investing in the NBA, but loves to systematically take advantage of Live-Wagering options, this really intrigues me and I will be looking forward to implementing this next season at some point.

    Great Work.

    Cheers 

    I was excited for the start of baseball, after the last 3 weeks or so I am ready to go back to regular season nba!  Hopefully we can all work together to really capitalize on this next season

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