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    MLB Underdog Systems - Anyone want to track this for the season?

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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 7:32 AM ET #526

    The interresting part is that overall the selections in the last 4 days generated no profit at all.
    12 Won - 17 L on the ML
    10 Won - 19 L on the RRL
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    The interresting part is that overall the selections in the last 4 days generated no profit at all.
    12 Won - 17 L on the ML
    10 Won - 19 L on the RRL
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 7:33 AM ET #527

    Sorry was wrong... It generated profit, but being more selective will help in the long haul
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    Sorry was wrong... It generated profit, but being more selective will help in the long haul
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 10:22 AM ET #528

    Quote Originally Posted by orhane:

    The interresting part is that overall the selections in the last 4 days generated no profit at all.
    12 Won - 17 L on the ML
    10 Won - 19 L on the RRL
    to help you comprehend the correct tracking procedure, I must comment on your confused mis-understanding of stats, first of all 10-19 on the RRL is nothing but profit, do your math, the minumum payout on the RRL is aprx +265? with the addition of Houston, and Miami's 6 WINS your looking at per 2u wager 7.4u profit alone, dont't compare winning % your looking at units gained, and may I add your playing 'dogs' not favorites with inflated value of no advantage to MM technigue. the Sheet is set up to be selective, surely a capper is not required to play every game produced? It's what you do with the sheet, how you 'cut' the games, remember, the key is the final disposition of the handicap which produces the RRL (getting to the RRL has to go though the 'dog' which the Sheet produces daily, and consistently. I hope that this has been helpful in your tracking technique, and gives you a clear understanding that when wagering on MLB dog's MM over-powers winning % "always"   my best-
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    The interresting part is that overall the selections in the last 4 days generated no profit at all.
    12 Won - 17 L on the ML
    10 Won - 19 L on the RRL
    to help you comprehend the correct tracking procedure, I must comment on your confused mis-understanding of stats, first of all 10-19 on the RRL is nothing but profit, do your math, the minumum payout on the RRL is aprx +265? with the addition of Houston, and Miami's 6 WINS your looking at per 2u wager 7.4u profit alone, dont't compare winning % your looking at units gained, and may I add your playing 'dogs' not favorites with inflated value of no advantage to MM technigue. the Sheet is set up to be selective, surely a capper is not required to play every game produced? It's what you do with the sheet, how you 'cut' the games, remember, the key is the final disposition of the handicap which produces the RRL (getting to the RRL has to go though the 'dog' which the Sheet produces daily, and consistently. I hope that this has been helpful in your tracking technique, and gives you a clear understanding that when wagering on MLB dog's MM over-powers winning % "always"   my best-
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 10:57 AM ET #529

    Sorry, I used the wrong filter. Did not want to mislead anyone here :)
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 10:59 AM ET #530

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8enrf91n3v6xbyt/mlb%20underdogs.xlsx updated results
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 11:21 AM ET #531

    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    to help you comprehend the correct tracking procedure, I must comment on your confused mis-understanding of stats, first of all 10-19 on the RRL is nothing but profit, do your math, the minumum payout on the RRL is aprx +265? with the addition of Houston, and Miami's 6 WINS your looking at per 2u wager 7.4u profit alone, dont't compare winning % your looking at units gained, and may I add your playing 'dogs' not favorites with inflated value of no advantage to MM technigue. the Sheet is set up to be selective, surely a capper is not required to play every game produced? It's what you do with the sheet, how you 'cut' the games, remember, the key is the final disposition of the handicap which produces the RRL (getting to the RRL has to go though the 'dog' which the Sheet produces daily, and consistently. I hope that this has been helpful in your tracking technique, and gives you a clear understanding that when wagering on MLB dog's MM over-powers winning % "always"   my best-

    +1 

    Well said SN - I personally don't play every DOG on the sheet - I look at both DOG EFF and DOG EFF SCR, AND I use OTHER models to determine what i'll bet on.

    In addition - I take a shot at RRL as SN mentioned when the RRL EFF is over .750 - OR when SN post his RRL plays of the day - LOL - then i just tail him 
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:

    to help you comprehend the correct tracking procedure, I must comment on your confused mis-understanding of stats, first of all 10-19 on the RRL is nothing but profit, do your math, the minumum payout on the RRL is aprx +265? with the addition of Houston, and Miami's 6 WINS your looking at per 2u wager 7.4u profit alone, dont't compare winning % your looking at units gained, and may I add your playing 'dogs' not favorites with inflated value of no advantage to MM technigue. the Sheet is set up to be selective, surely a capper is not required to play every game produced? It's what you do with the sheet, how you 'cut' the games, remember, the key is the final disposition of the handicap which produces the RRL (getting to the RRL has to go though the 'dog' which the Sheet produces daily, and consistently. I hope that this has been helpful in your tracking technique, and gives you a clear understanding that when wagering on MLB dog's MM over-powers winning % "always"   my best-

    +1 

    Well said SN - I personally don't play every DOG on the sheet - I look at both DOG EFF and DOG EFF SCR, AND I use OTHER models to determine what i'll bet on.

    In addition - I take a shot at RRL as SN mentioned when the RRL EFF is over .750 - OR when SN post his RRL plays of the day - LOL - then i just tail him 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 11:23 AM ET #532

    But good work Orhane - the whole goal of this thread is to figure out what filters MAY limit some of the selections to produce a better win %.
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    But good work Orhane - the whole goal of this thread is to figure out what filters MAY limit some of the selections to produce a better win %.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 11:47 AM ET #533

    Thank you for the kind words and help.
    Overall the System had a quick turnaround in the last 2 days:

    Only ML Picks: 19 W - 9 L - 15,17 Units Profit
    Only RRL Picks: 14 W - 14 L 14,56 Units Profit

    Since starting the track back on 26. April the System generated 94 Picks for DogEff Away Picks. 54 W - 42 L and 19,65 Units Profit

    For System Play RRL Home Picks: 97 Picks
    38 W - 59 L and 29,40 Units Profit.

    So overall 92 W - 101 L and 49,05 Profit
    So by being Conservative and using 2% of the starting bank as a unit to bet, you would have doubled up your bank in one and a half month. If that is not impressive, I don't know what is.


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    Thank you for the kind words and help.
    Overall the System had a quick turnaround in the last 2 days:

    Only ML Picks: 19 W - 9 L - 15,17 Units Profit
    Only RRL Picks: 14 W - 14 L 14,56 Units Profit

    Since starting the track back on 26. April the System generated 94 Picks for DogEff Away Picks. 54 W - 42 L and 19,65 Units Profit

    For System Play RRL Home Picks: 97 Picks
    38 W - 59 L and 29,40 Units Profit.

    So overall 92 W - 101 L and 49,05 Profit
    So by being Conservative and using 2% of the starting bank as a unit to bet, you would have doubled up your bank in one and a half month. If that is not impressive, I don't know what is.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 12:24 PM ET #534

    Orhane & SN
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    Orhane & SN
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 1:35 PM ET #535

    Quote Originally Posted by orhane:

    Thank you for the kind words and help.
    Overall the System had a quick turnaround in the last 2 days:

    Only ML Picks: 19 W - 9 L - 15,17 Units Profit
    Only RRL Picks: 14 W - 14 L 14,56 Units Profit

    Since starting the track back on 26. April the System generated 94 Picks for DogEff Away Picks. 54 W - 42 L and 19,65 Units Profit

    For System Play RRL Home Picks: 97 Picks
    38 W - 59 L and 29,40 Units Profit.

    So overall 92 W - 101 L and 49,05 Profit
    So by being Conservative and using 2% of the starting bank as a unit to bet, you would have doubled up your bank in one and a half month. If that is not impressive, I don't know what is.

    g tracking
    good stuff, vg tracking info, your contribution is appreciated, well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by orhane:

    Thank you for the kind words and help.
    Overall the System had a quick turnaround in the last 2 days:

    Only ML Picks: 19 W - 9 L - 15,17 Units Profit
    Only RRL Picks: 14 W - 14 L 14,56 Units Profit

    Since starting the track back on 26. April the System generated 94 Picks for DogEff Away Picks. 54 W - 42 L and 19,65 Units Profit

    For System Play RRL Home Picks: 97 Picks
    38 W - 59 L and 29,40 Units Profit.

    So overall 92 W - 101 L and 49,05 Profit
    So by being Conservative and using 2% of the starting bank as a unit to bet, you would have doubled up your bank in one and a half month. If that is not impressive, I don't know what is.

    g tracking
    good stuff, vg tracking info, your contribution is appreciated, well done!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 2:01 PM ET #536

    Quote Originally Posted by kclou:

    Degen,
    Where do you get your underdog effenicy data that is fed into the spreadsheet ? I've search hi and low, and cannot find the website that shows it. And if it your spreadsheet that's producing it, that's sellable. I find that information extremely interesting .
    Thanks in advance

    I use the formulas on the DOG EFFICIENCY TAB - the COVERS DATA tab has all the games (i.e if they W or L and by what margin and odds) - so I use a formula (i.e COUNTIFS - it basically does what it says) it COUNTS IF game = W, AND if ODDS >=100 AND....etc
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    Degen,
    Where do you get your underdog effenicy data that is fed into the spreadsheet ? I've search hi and low, and cannot find the website that shows it. And if it your spreadsheet that's producing it, that's sellable. I find that information extremely interesting .
    Thanks in advance

    I use the formulas on the DOG EFFICIENCY TAB - the COVERS DATA tab has all the games (i.e if they W or L and by what margin and odds) - so I use a formula (i.e COUNTIFS - it basically does what it says) it COUNTS IF game = W, AND if ODDS >=100 AND....etc
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 2:02 PM ET #537

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    S_N - Thanks so much for your reply and insight, much appreciated. I will correct the friend request. Apparently I also need to run away from Stations as quickly as possible. A quick closing of the account and head over to the Palms to open a Cantor account. I'll look at William Hill too.

    Degen - Considering what S_N had to say regarding tracking and lines, what do you think about changing the lines we use over to Pinnacle or 5dimes? I'm good with any of them, let's get away from Stations.


    DanRules - uploaded V12 - changed it to use PINNY odds - SAME LINK
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    S_N - Thanks so much for your reply and insight, much appreciated. I will correct the friend request. Apparently I also need to run away from Stations as quickly as possible. A quick closing of the account and head over to the Palms to open a Cantor account. I'll look at William Hill too.

    Degen - Considering what S_N had to say regarding tracking and lines, what do you think about changing the lines we use over to Pinnacle or 5dimes? I'm good with any of them, let's get away from Stations.


    DanRules - uploaded V12 - changed it to use PINNY odds - SAME LINK
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 2:37 PM ET #538

    In the few days since the Div Dog Switch on May 31st.
    Ver #10 & Ver #11 have had the same plays 3 times for 1-2 -(.84)u
    Ver #11 different plays than #10:  1-3 -(1.91)u
    Ver #10 different plays than #11:  5-1 +8.40u
    V#10 had Hou on all 3 games of their sweep, and Miami yesterday.  Taking those 4 games away V#10 is 1-1  +.12u

    Small sample.
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    In the few days since the Div Dog Switch on May 31st.
    Ver #10 & Ver #11 have had the same plays 3 times for 1-2 -(.84)u
    Ver #11 different plays than #10:  1-3 -(1.91)u
    Ver #10 different plays than #11:  5-1 +8.40u
    V#10 had Hou on all 3 games of their sweep, and Miami yesterday.  Taking those 4 games away V#10 is 1-1  +.12u

    Small sample.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2013 - 3:08 PM ET #539

    Monday 6/3 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 0-2, -4 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 26-26, +4.74 units

    Clev 102

    Oak 110

    Dog EFF

    YTD 52-42, +41.92 units

    All 2 units

    Clev 102

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    System Plays

    YTD 158-178, +16.88 units

    Clev 102

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    Hou 162

    Mia 165

    Colo 122

    AZ/STL Under 7.5 -110

     

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    Monday 6/3 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 0-2, -4 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 26-26, +4.74 units

    Clev 102

    Oak 110

    Dog EFF

    YTD 52-42, +41.92 units

    All 2 units

    Clev 102

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    System Plays

    YTD 158-178, +16.88 units

    Clev 102

    Pitt 109

    Oak 110

    Hou 162

    Mia 165

    Colo 122

    AZ/STL Under 7.5 -110

     

     
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    Monday 6/3 results

    Sagarin plays

    1-1, +.2 units

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Dog EFF Score

    1-1, +.1 units

    YTD 27-27, +4.84 units

    Clev 102 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Dog EFF

    1-2, -1.8 units

    YTD 53-44, +40.12 units

    All 2 units

    Clev 102 Loss

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    System Plays

    2-5, -2.35 units

    YTD 160-183 +14.53

    Clev 102 Loss

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Hou 162 WIN

    Mia 165 Loss

    Colo 122 Loss

    AZ/STL Under 7.5 -110 Loss

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    Monday 6/3 results

    Sagarin plays

    1-1, +.2 units

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Dog EFF Score

    1-1, +.1 units

    YTD 27-27, +4.84 units

    Clev 102 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Dog EFF

    1-2, -1.8 units

    YTD 53-44, +40.12 units

    All 2 units

    Clev 102 Loss

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    System Plays

    2-5, -2.35 units

    YTD 160-183 +14.53

    Clev 102 Loss

    Pitt 109 Loss

    Oak 110 WIN

    Hou 162 WIN

    Mia 165 Loss

    Colo 122 Loss

    AZ/STL Under 7.5 -110 Loss

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2013 - 7:07 AM ET #541

    tracking data:

    The Houston Astros have 'hit' 6 dogs in a row, 3 have been on the RRL, all on the road, they also took down (on the road) in succession> Detroit +538 RRL, Pittsburgh +420 RRL, KC +365 RRL, previously... the Astros lead MLB in dividends gained (ROI) both as dog play & RRL play; and may I emphasise, all posted, through out this thread. it's all right in front of you; pick 'em their available daily, and consistently..YTD

    DogEFF/ROI +40.1u (2u per-play)

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    tracking data:

    The Houston Astros have 'hit' 6 dogs in a row, 3 have been on the RRL, all on the road, they also took down (on the road) in succession> Detroit +538 RRL, Pittsburgh +420 RRL, KC +365 RRL, previously... the Astros lead MLB in dividends gained (ROI) both as dog play & RRL play; and may I emphasise, all posted, through out this thread. it's all right in front of you; pick 'em their available daily, and consistently..YTD

    DogEFF/ROI +40.1u (2u per-play)

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2013 - 12:01 PM ET #542

    FAVs went 7-2 yesterday - you know what that means - DOGS are coming 
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    FAVs went 7-2 yesterday - you know what that means - DOGS are coming 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2013 - 5:02 PM ET #543

    Tuesday 6/4 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    No plays

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 27-27, +4.84 units

    Minn 120

    Dog EFF

    YTD 53-44, +40.12 units

    All 2 units

    Cle 130

    Tex 129

    Minn 120

    AZ 139

     

    System Plays

    YTD 160-183 +14.53

    Cle 130

    Tex 129

    Minn 120

    AZ 139

    Hou 163

    Mia 146

    Mets 167

    SD 123

    Tor 109

    TB/Det Under 8 -115

    ChiSox/Sea Under 6 -115

     

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    Tuesday 6/4 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    No plays

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 27-27, +4.84 units

    Minn 120

    Dog EFF

    YTD 53-44, +40.12 units

    All 2 units

    Cle 130

    Tex 129

    Minn 120

    AZ 139

     

    System Plays

    YTD 160-183 +14.53

    Cle 130

    Tex 129

    Minn 120

    AZ 139

    Hou 163

    Mia 146

    Mets 167

    SD 123

    Tor 109

    TB/Det Under 8 -115

    ChiSox/Sea Under 6 -115

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2013 - 5:42 PM ET #544

    why i can't see HOU on spreadsheet?
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    why i can't see HOU on spreadsheet?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2013 - 6:20 PM ET #545

    Quote Originally Posted by RommiRommi:

    why i can't see HOU on spreadsheet?

    They should be under the Low Scoring Dog system

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    Quote Originally Posted by RommiRommi:

    why i can't see HOU on spreadsheet?

    They should be under the Low Scoring Dog system

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2013 - 1:38 AM ET #546

    Tuesday 6/4 results

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    No plays

    Dog EFF Score

    1-0, +1.2 units

    YTD 28-27, +6.04 units

    Minn 120 WIN

    Dog EFF

    2-2, +1.18 units

    YTD 55-46, +41.30 units

    All 2 units

    Cle 130 Loss

    Tex 129 Loss

    Minn 120 WIN

    AZ 139 WIN

    System Plays

    2-9, -6.71 units

    YTD 162-192 +7.82

    Cle 130 Loss

    Tex 129 Loss

    Minn 120 WIN

    AZ 139 WIN

    Hou 163 Loss

    Mia 146 Loss

    Mets 167 Loss

    SD 123 Loss

    Tor 109 Loss

    TB/Det Under 8 -115 Loss

    ChiSox/Sea Under 6 -115 Loss

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    Tuesday 6/4 results

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    No plays

    Dog EFF Score

    1-0, +1.2 units

    YTD 28-27, +6.04 units

    Minn 120 WIN

    Dog EFF

    2-2, +1.18 units

    YTD 55-46, +41.30 units

    All 2 units

    Cle 130 Loss

    Tex 129 Loss

    Minn 120 WIN

    AZ 139 WIN

    System Plays

    2-9, -6.71 units

    YTD 162-192 +7.82

    Cle 130 Loss

    Tex 129 Loss

    Minn 120 WIN

    AZ 139 WIN

    Hou 163 Loss

    Mia 146 Loss

    Mets 167 Loss

    SD 123 Loss

    Tor 109 Loss

    TB/Det Under 8 -115 Loss

    ChiSox/Sea Under 6 -115 Loss

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2013 - 2:51 AM ET #547

    Buckeye - Would it be possible for you to post the plays on Thursday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Buckeye - Would it be possible for you to post the plays on Thursday?
    Sure, no problem.  Since there's 2 afternoon games and I have to work, I'll run it at 630 am, and then again when I get home after at 4pm....EST
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Buckeye - Would it be possible for you to post the plays on Thursday?
    Sure, no problem.  Since there's 2 afternoon games and I have to work, I'll run it at 630 am, and then again when I get home after at 4pm....EST
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeKaptn:

    Sure, no problem.  Since there's 2 afternoon games and I have to work, I'll run it at 630 am, and then again when I get home after at 4pm....EST

    Thanks, I have to hit the road by 5am and will be driving for about 8 hours. If you can do the RPI too that would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeKaptn:

    Sure, no problem.  Since there's 2 afternoon games and I have to work, I'll run it at 630 am, and then again when I get home after at 4pm....EST

    Thanks, I have to hit the road by 5am and will be driving for about 8 hours. If you can do the RPI too that would be great.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2013 - 11:25 AM ET #550

    Wecnesday 6/5 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 125

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 28-27, +6.04 units

    Minn 135

    Dog EFF

    YTD 55-46, +41.30 units

    All 2 units

    Minn 135

    AZ 126

     

    System Plays

    YTD 162-192 +7.82

    Minn 135

    AZ 126

    Hou 147

    Mia 183

    Tor 105

    Mets 130

    SD 199

    ChiSox/Sea Under 7 -115

    TB/Det Under 8 -105

     

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    Wecnesday 6/5 plays

    Sagarin plays

    YTD 1-3, -3.8 units

    All 2 Units

    Pitt 125

    Dog EFF Score

    YTD 28-27, +6.04 units

    Minn 135

    Dog EFF

    YTD 55-46, +41.30 units

    All 2 units

    Minn 135

    AZ 126

     

    System Plays

    YTD 162-192 +7.82

    Minn 135

    AZ 126

    Hou 147

    Mia 183

    Tor 105

    Mets 130

    SD 199

    ChiSox/Sea Under 7 -115

    TB/Det Under 8 -105

     

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