Different Year, Same Story

Hustle,

 

That sucked.  I was thinking about your bet as the game was coming to an end.  Oh well the LAkers will probalby lose again tomorrow at Minny.  Remember I need them to land on 43 wins to hit the middle of my season totals bet.  I'm hoping they keep losing.

 

GLTU

 

Do you think G State is live tomorrow at Boston?  I think the oddsmakers have tipped their hands by setting a number of only 2.5 on Boston. 

 

Handy,

 

I disagree.  If it wasnt for Houston running out of gas in 2OT the team would be 0-4.  Without Lamar Odom in the starting lineup, this team is no better than the Charlotte Bobcats IMO.  They just cant get it done without Lamar. 

 

I will say this.  I am impressed with the play of Luke Walton and Kwame Brown this year.  Along with Andrew Bynum they have definitely stepped their game up and the Lakers have a bright future ahead of them.  Once they get more experience and better perimeter defenders, they will be a much better team.

Hustle,

 

This is a better team than last years Lakers.  I don't believe they can win many games without Odom because the defense is able to focus on Bryant and the rest of the Lakers aren't money players.  They have some good young raw talent but if Kobe has to defer this team is in trouble until Odom comes back.  We shall see.  I just hope they keep losing.

 

WCM,

 

Let me clear up my "strategy" because people seem to have it wrong.

 

I'm not blindy fading the LA Lakers or fading Kobe Bryant or anything else.

 

I'm playing against the Lakers in games I dont think they win without Lamar Odom in the starting lineup.  Any team losing their best player is going to struggle but no team in the NBA has proven to struggle more than the Lakers in the past 3 years.

 

When guys say Im fading the Lakers because I "hate Kobe Bryant" I laugh.  The fact is that he is a great scorer but he's not good enough to carry a team mainly because his style of play just wont work in the NBA.  The selfish gunner... Similar to Allen Iverson and you see his career W-L record is barely over .500 (The only difference is Iverson is better than Bryant)

 

The FADE train will ride right along and I hope guys have been playing against the Lakers on the ML.  I think the Lakers' best chance to get a victory is tomorrow at Minnesota.  I dont think they will be any of the Eastern Conference teams at this rate.

 

The only regret is that Odom didnt go out when the Lakers were playing at home (Although I wish injury on no player)  because we would be able to FADE the ML at + money instead of chalk like they will be the rest of the road trip (Except when they play the Bobcats) but it wont make much difference in the long run because they will not have a winning record without Odom in the lineup.

 

 

 

I'm not trying to put you on the spot but that statement is 100% false.

 

If you werent watching the game tonight, if it wasnt for Bryant's poor play, the Lakers would have won.

	L. Walton	42	3-7	1-3	2-2	0	4	7	3	1	1	2	9
V. Radmanovic	25	2-5	1-4	0-2	0	3	1	4	3	0	1	5
K. Brown	35	8-14	0-0	2-5	4	12	2	2	1	2	0	18
S. Parker	33	7-12	0-3	2-4	1	3	1	4	3	1	3	16
K. Bryant	38	6-19	0-5	7-8	0	3	4	4	0	1	6	19
A. Bynum	12	3-5	0-0	0-0	1	5	1	0	1	2	3	6
J. Farmar	15	0-3	0-1	0-0	0	2	1	2	0	0	1	0
M. Evans	21	2-4	0-1	1-1	0	1	1	0	0	0	1	5
S. Vujacic	9	2-3	1-2	0-0	0	1	0	0	1	0	1	5
B. Cook	6	3-4	0-0	0-0	0	1	0	0	0	2	1	6

 

The "rest of the squad"... You know the only group of guys in the world that other than me and their parents actually think have NBA level talent...

 

Went 20-38 FGA .526 22/36 team rebounds 11/17 team assists 8/10 team steals 13/19 team TOs (Bryant tied for the lead with 4 TOs and 6 PFs)

 

Like I tell people all the time, the triangle offense is actually a "jr high level" offense designed by long time NBA assistant Tex Winter. The triangle offense is set up for "lesser talented" players that may not be great individual scoreres to get high percentage shots in a motion style setting and individual scorers are not needed (although can enhance it greatly) for the offense to be effective.

 

Nothing is wrong with the Lakers' role players other than they arent very good defensively.  Other than that, everything takes care of itself.

 

 

AO,

 

I dont tolerate objectivity and people actually telling the truth about LA Lakers personnel in my threads.  Unless you want to LIE and keep the myth building going you arent welcome anymore

 

LA Lakers' running tally in games Lamar Odom doesnt start -

 

2004-2005: 3-15

2005-2006: 0-2

2006-2007: 1-3

 

 

Thats obvious when, due to only playing 3 minutes for LA in their game in Houston (0-2, 1 reb), Odom had absolutely nothing to do with LA pulling that game out, therefore meaning they are 2-3 SU this season without the services of Odom. But due to your desire to paint this team as useless without him, you do fudge and lie to try and represent their mark as looking as bad as possible sans that player (at 1-3 SU).

 

Any idiot can see through your lies. Or are you trying to convince anyone with a brain that the 3 mins Odom played against Houston in Houston won the game for the Lakers all by itself?

 Time to expose more basketball nimrods. ( I was actually getting lonely because the haters and bashers cant talk anymore )

 

 

 

Hustle,

 

The Lakers may have performed poorly last year without Odom but this team is better.  I have no idea what their record is going to be in all the games he misses but I can tell you that you and I were both pretty confident believing this Lakers team was going to lose a lot of games once they go out on the road.  They probably lose again tonight.  Not worth arguing your point about Odom anymore.  Either you will look good or bad depending on how this team perfoms over the next month or so.  I wouldn't spend anymore time trying to tell people that Odom is a better player than Bryant because you're NEVER going to win that argument regardless of how much information you think you may have to state your case.  I disagree with you but that doesn't mean I'm right. 

 

GLTU

 

Handy,

 

The argument is not if Lamar Odom is better than Kobe Bryant but the performance of the team without Lamar Odom in the lineup and its almost (only because of lack of 82 game sample) a FACT that the team is not good with Lamar Odom in the starting linuep.  The PROOF is right there in front of you. 

 

The only reason Im posting stats and not actual in game analysis (which I'd prefer) is because 90% of the people on this forum wouldnt understand because they dont understand basketball so Im posting stats which are more concrete and cant be disputed (which people are STILL trying to claim as insufficient)

 

I just wish the haters would be man enough to come in here and post a prediction on what they think the Lakers' record will be until Odom gets back.  I just hope clowns arent betting on them.  They are 1-3 or 3-1 ATS (depending on the number) without Odom so far this year and I dont see it improving anytime because they dont have any chemistry on offense and their defense is too bad to just shut teams down.

 

The sad part about it is that guys are actually CHASING on the Lakers' to win games...Sportsbook.com reports that the Lakers' ML is the public play AGAIN tonight.

 

 

 

But of course if they did do that, and subsequently lost every game, guess who then wouldnt disqualify those 2 second appearances as nullfying including all those losses.

 

 

Keep fooling yourself. The Lakers are just 1 win short without Odom over this season's 5 games as they were over the last 2 season's previous 19. And in case your retarded mind thinks I dont think the lakers suffer for being wihtout him, you can safely shut that post away before you foolish post it - of course they suffer for his loss, just as they suffered for Shaq's loss when he was absent while still playing for them. Team's suffer for losing good players, gee, what a fucking brain wave that fact is. But you'll soon be disappointed expecting LA to deliver their previous winning percentage sans Odom. The fact his loss coincides with their first decent spate of road games this season means their record without him will get worse before it improves, so your jumping the gun is going to be deceptively backed up in coming games.

 

My final word is, please keep selling points You have a lot to learn.

He's back for more abuse.  DING DING DING

 

Your pathetic point is mute. By your own reckoning, if Odom had got hurt on the tipoff of that Houston game, it wouldnt qulaify to be part of the record your keeping simply because he appeared in the starting lineup -, in fact, if the Lakers wheeled him out for just the tip off of every game they played, by your reckoning those games wouldnt qualify (such is the difference between 2 seconds & 3 mins at the start of a basketball game).

OK.... normally, I don't give a damn about this guy.... but he's obviously leading a few down the wrong path. First of all, why would you take advice from someone who boasts a 2-40 record (excluding his non-posted 500-0 record)? I mean you could teach your dog to piss on a sports page and he'd probably pick better.

 

Secondly, why take advice from someone whose only mission in life is to "expose" Kobe? He is obviously infatuated with him and can't go one post without mentioning his name. He's also using irrelevant stats from 2 seasons ago..... the facts he's with-holding is that Caron Butler (2nd leading scorer behind Kobe) was also out injured. That's 2 out of 3 top scorers out. Then they switched to the triangle offense late in the season, which confused many of the new players, especially Chucky Atkins who had been playing well under Rudy's system.

 

Anyone that caps based on hatred of one player while using irrelevant stats deserve to go broke.... and believe me, this guy is flat out broke.... unless he's been fading his last 40 picks.

 

But the rest of you guys should know better.

 

GL

 

Hustle,

 

I honestly believe you should shut up regarding this argument.  You can't win.  Plus no matter how much you might know or not know about the game of basketball it's very hard to apply it and win at handicapping.  If you want to believe that Lamar Odom not Kobe Bryant is the key to the Lakers success then so be it.  I don't have a problem.  I think you're dead wrong but that's just my opinion and I don't have a tunnel vision.  In my opinion the Lakers wouldn't win 30 games without Kobe Bryant and would be right there fighting for one of the top lottery picks in the draft.  Now we will never know unless Kobe gets injured and misses the rest of the season but if I were you I would shut up and let the results do the talking.  The sample is way too small for this year so why don't you let it play out and talk to us when Lamar comes back from injury.  You can't win this argument with closed minded people.  I'm not saying you can't be right but I have a hard time believing over the course of a season you would be.

 

No surprise with this one.  I figured the Lakers would win the game going against another softcore Western Conference squad.

 

Handy,

 

This isnt about handicapping.  This is about applied basketball knowledge  (which people around covers dont understand- especially dilbert, BetCrimes1984, etc) and that is why Im here to show guys the light (Just like I did in the playoffs last year)

 

You can believe what you want, you have the right to your opinion but like I say, the PROOF is what happens on the court and the team is not that bad (well defensively they are) but on offense the triangle takes care of itself.  The reason they are so bad without Odom (Now 5-20 SU) is because they lack playmakers.  Luke Walton would count but he doesnt have enough talent to be a full time facilitator of the triangle and that is why they miss Odom more than any team in the NBA misses a certain player.  Not that hard of a concept to grasp but when you talk to brainwashed fans with limited knowledge of the game, its hard to drive that concept into their heads.