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    flwareagle
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2013 - 2:11 AM ET #1

    Cisco's 5 Run Loss Chase got me to thinking about doing something in reverse.  After back testing the last three seasons, here is what I have come up with.

    5 Run Win Chase

    Qualifiers:  Any team that has a .525 winning percentage or higher that LOSES a game by 5 or more runs will trigger a chase.  Skip 2 games (a 5 run loss in either skipped game restarts chase) then chase up to 4 games that the system team will win one game.  Lay Odds betting strategy is to win 1 unit using Martingale betting strategy.  Plus Money betting strategy is to bet 1 unit, then two units, three units, then four units until a chase loss is achieved.

    Start date:  Third Monday after start of season.

    Two different betting strategies:
    1.  Lay Odds:  Play ML on favorites, +1.5 RL on dogs
    2.  Plus Money:  Play -1.5 RL on favorites, ML on dogs

    Here are the results for the last three seasons:

    TOTAL

    Lay Odds:  278-4    +178 units
    Plus Money:  262-20    +140 units

    2012

    Lay Odds:  114-0    +114 units
    Plus Money:  109-5    +91.7 units

    2011

    Lay Odds:  88-2    +38 units
    Plus Money:  81-9    +15.3 units

    2010

    Lay Odds:  76-2    +26 units
    Plus Money:  72-6    +33.6 units

    Series Losses

    Lay Odds:  Approx 25 units
    Plus Money:  10 units
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    Cisco's 5 Run Loss Chase got me to thinking about doing something in reverse.  After back testing the last three seasons, here is what I have come up with.

    5 Run Win Chase

    Qualifiers:  Any team that has a .525 winning percentage or higher that LOSES a game by 5 or more runs will trigger a chase.  Skip 2 games (a 5 run loss in either skipped game restarts chase) then chase up to 4 games that the system team will win one game.  Lay Odds betting strategy is to win 1 unit using Martingale betting strategy.  Plus Money betting strategy is to bet 1 unit, then two units, three units, then four units until a chase loss is achieved.

    Start date:  Third Monday after start of season.

    Two different betting strategies:
    1.  Lay Odds:  Play ML on favorites, +1.5 RL on dogs
    2.  Plus Money:  Play -1.5 RL on favorites, ML on dogs

    Here are the results for the last three seasons:

    TOTAL

    Lay Odds:  278-4    +178 units
    Plus Money:  262-20    +140 units

    2012

    Lay Odds:  114-0    +114 units
    Plus Money:  109-5    +91.7 units

    2011

    Lay Odds:  88-2    +38 units
    Plus Money:  81-9    +15.3 units

    2010

    Lay Odds:  76-2    +26 units
    Plus Money:  72-6    +33.6 units

    Series Losses

    Lay Odds:  Approx 25 units
    Plus Money:  10 units
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2013 - 2:17 AM ET #2

    I should have also mentioned that the average Plus Money odds were +130.
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    I should have also mentioned that the average Plus Money odds were +130.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2013 - 12:48 PM ET #3

    Nice work! One question though. If a team has say a .530 winning % then has a 5 run loss, followed by the 2 skip games (both losses) and that brings them below .525 %, is it a play?
    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Nice work! One question though. If a team has say a .530 winning % then has a 5 run loss, followed by the 2 skip games (both losses) and that brings them below .525 %, is it a play?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2013 - 2:29 PM ET #4

    Will you be posting plays?
    All about the chase
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    Will you be posting plays?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2013 - 7:34 PM ET #5

    This looks awfully familiar to my work.
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    This looks awfully familiar to my work.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2013 - 12:40 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by flwareagle:

    Cisco's 5 Run Loss Chase got me to thinking about doing something in reverse.  After back testing the last three seasons, here is what I have come up with.

    5 Run Win Chase

    Qualifiers:  Any team that has a .525 winning percentage or higher that LOSES a game by 5 or more runs will trigger a chase.  Skip 2 games (a 5 run loss in either skipped game restarts chase) then chase up to 4 games that the system team will win one game.  Lay Odds betting strategy is to win 1 unit using Martingale betting strategy.  Plus Money betting strategy is to bet 1 unit, then two units, three units, then four units until a chase loss is achieved.

    Start date:  Third Monday after start of season.

    Two different betting strategies:
    1.  Lay Odds:  Play ML on favorites, +1.5 RL on dogs
    2.  Plus Money:  Play -1.5 RL on favorites, ML on dogs

    Here are the results for the last three seasons:

    TOTAL

    Lay Odds:  278-4    +178 units
    Plus Money:  262-20    +140 units

    2012

    Lay Odds:  114-0    +114 units
    Plus Money:  109-5    +91.7 units

    2011

    Lay Odds:  88-2    +38 units
    Plus Money:  81-9    +15.3 units

    2010

    Lay Odds:  76-2    +26 units
    Plus Money:  72-6    +33.6 units

    Series Losses

    Lay Odds:  Approx 25 units
    Plus Money:  10 units

    Will you be posting throughout the season?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flwareagle:

    Cisco's 5 Run Loss Chase got me to thinking about doing something in reverse.  After back testing the last three seasons, here is what I have come up with.

    5 Run Win Chase

    Qualifiers:  Any team that has a .525 winning percentage or higher that LOSES a game by 5 or more runs will trigger a chase.  Skip 2 games (a 5 run loss in either skipped game restarts chase) then chase up to 4 games that the system team will win one game.  Lay Odds betting strategy is to win 1 unit using Martingale betting strategy.  Plus Money betting strategy is to bet 1 unit, then two units, three units, then four units until a chase loss is achieved.

    Start date:  Third Monday after start of season.

    Two different betting strategies:
    1.  Lay Odds:  Play ML on favorites, +1.5 RL on dogs
    2.  Plus Money:  Play -1.5 RL on favorites, ML on dogs

    Here are the results for the last three seasons:

    TOTAL

    Lay Odds:  278-4    +178 units
    Plus Money:  262-20    +140 units

    2012

    Lay Odds:  114-0    +114 units
    Plus Money:  109-5    +91.7 units

    2011

    Lay Odds:  88-2    +38 units
    Plus Money:  81-9    +15.3 units

    2010

    Lay Odds:  76-2    +26 units
    Plus Money:  72-6    +33.6 units

    Series Losses

    Lay Odds:  Approx 25 units
    Plus Money:  10 units

    Will you be posting throughout the season?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2013 - 1:57 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by jaime2309:

    Will you be posting plays?

    Hadn't thought about it, but I might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaime2309:

    Will you be posting plays?

    Hadn't thought about it, but I might.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2013 - 5:10 AM ET #8

    hi flwareagle,

    I did a MLB SDQL Query on your system and found different results although still seems to be a winning system.

    season = 2012 and ppppppo:runs - pppppp:runs >= 5 and ppppp:WP >= 52.5 and playoffs = 0 and p:L and pp:L and ppp:L

    I understand you consider the winning percentage right after the 5 run loss right?

    season 2012: total number of games 205

    game 1 109-96 average odds -117,3
    game 2 53-43 average odds -119,5
    game 3 27-16 average odds -106,9
    game 4 11-5 average odds -119,5

    average losses for a system loss 20,66 units

    However 2011 season looks ugly with 14 losses

    tell me if you think there is an error on the query or send me a message to check it further\

    regards
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    hi flwareagle,

    I did a MLB SDQL Query on your system and found different results although still seems to be a winning system.

    season = 2012 and ppppppo:runs - pppppp:runs >= 5 and ppppp:WP >= 52.5 and playoffs = 0 and p:L and pp:L and ppp:L

    I understand you consider the winning percentage right after the 5 run loss right?

    season 2012: total number of games 205

    game 1 109-96 average odds -117,3
    game 2 53-43 average odds -119,5
    game 3 27-16 average odds -106,9
    game 4 11-5 average odds -119,5

    average losses for a system loss 20,66 units

    However 2011 season looks ugly with 14 losses

    tell me if you think there is an error on the query or send me a message to check it further\

    regards
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2013 - 5:13 AM ET #9

    sorry, i mean series not games 205
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    sorry, i mean series not games 205
     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2013 - 2:41 PM ET #10

    Cisco's 5 run chase system is a winner...
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    Cisco's 5 run chase system is a winner...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2013 - 1:02 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958a:

    hi flwareagle,

    I did a MLB SDQL Query on your system and found different results although still seems to be a winning system.

    season = 2012 and ppppppo:runs - pppppp:runs >= 5 and ppppp:WP >= 52.5 and playoffs = 0 and p:L and pp:L and ppp:L

    I understand you consider the winning percentage right after the 5 run loss right?

    season 2012: total number of games 205

    game 1 109-96 average odds -117,3
    game 2 53-43 average odds -119,5
    game 3 27-16 average odds -106,9
    game 4 11-5 average odds -119,5

    average losses for a system loss 20,66 units

    However 2011 season looks ugly with 14 losses

    tell me if you think there is an error on the query or send me a message to check it further\

    regards

     

    Did you skip 2 games after the 5 run loss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958a:

    hi flwareagle,

    I did a MLB SDQL Query on your system and found different results although still seems to be a winning system.

    season = 2012 and ppppppo:runs - pppppp:runs >= 5 and ppppp:WP >= 52.5 and playoffs = 0 and p:L and pp:L and ppp:L

    I understand you consider the winning percentage right after the 5 run loss right?

    season 2012: total number of games 205

    game 1 109-96 average odds -117,3
    game 2 53-43 average odds -119,5
    game 3 27-16 average odds -106,9
    game 4 11-5 average odds -119,5

    average losses for a system loss 20,66 units

    However 2011 season looks ugly with 14 losses

    tell me if you think there is an error on the query or send me a message to check it further\

    regards

     

    Did you skip 2 games after the 5 run loss?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2013 - 5:25 AM ET #12

    bruin95,

    I went only as deep as three losses, not four.  I rerun the query for four losses and here are the results

    https://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?sdql=season+%3D+2011+and+pppppppo%3Aruns+-+ppppppp%3Aruns+%3E%3D+5+and+pppppp%3AWP+%3E%3D+52.5+and+playoffs+%3D+0+and+p%3AL+and+pp%3AL+and+ppp%3AL+and+pppp%3AL&submit=S+D+Q+L+!

    you can play around with season=2011 to get results for every season.
    Last year (2012) was good with one system loss

    One loss on Det Apri 19 the chase start with a 10-3 loss to TEXAS etc

    for 2011 after 4 game chase on moneyline we have 8 losses (the worst year along with 2006 for 10 losses).

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    bruin95,

    I went only as deep as three losses, not four.  I rerun the query for four losses and here are the results

    https://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?sdql=season+%3D+2011+and+pppppppo%3Aruns+-+ppppppp%3Aruns+%3E%3D+5+and+pppppp%3AWP+%3E%3D+52.5+and+playoffs+%3D+0+and+p%3AL+and+pp%3AL+and+ppp%3AL+and+pppp%3AL&submit=S+D+Q+L+!

    you can play around with season=2011 to get results for every season.
    Last year (2012) was good with one system loss

    One loss on Det Apri 19 the chase start with a 10-3 loss to TEXAS etc

    for 2011 after 4 game chase on moneyline we have 8 losses (the worst year along with 2006 for 10 losses).

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2013 - 4:53 PM ET #14

    I wish I was smart enough to do these database searches.  I go to those sites, look at the examples, and still can't grasp how to do it.  It's all gibberish to me.  Makes my head spin.
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    I wish I was smart enough to do these database searches.  I go to those sites, look at the examples, and still can't grasp how to do it.  It's all gibberish to me.  Makes my head spin.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2013 - 7:21 PM ET #15

    hey eagle how id the system doing so far this season?
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    hey eagle how id the system doing so far this season?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2013 - 8:44 PM ET #16

    Ill have to check my stats when I get home, but the last I checked, it was 44-0 or 45-0.  I am only betting the lay odds way.
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    Ill have to check my stats when I get home, but the last I checked, it was 44-0 or 45-0.  I am only betting the lay odds way.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:15 AM ET #17

    I just checked and it is now 50-0 after Thursday's games with one open chase (Cleveland is a B bet tomorrow).
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    I just checked and it is now 50-0 after Thursday's games with one open chase (Cleveland is a B bet tomorrow).
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 1:10 AM ET #18

    Thanks for the info. do you have a list of plays? I have started making my own, just want to make sure our plays match up.
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    Thanks for the info. do you have a list of plays? I have started making my own, just want to make sure our plays match up.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 7:26 PM ET #19

    Do you mean a list of past plays or daily plays?
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    Do you mean a list of past plays or daily plays?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 8:56 PM ET #20

    I am going to make a like of all plays this season. like cisco does with his main street page.
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    I am going to make a like of all plays this season. like cisco does with his main street page.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 11:29 AM ET #21

    Here are the season results so far (51-0, 1 open):

    4-22.  WAS-A
    4-22.  STL-A
    4-23.  ATL-A
    4-24.  OAK-A
    4-24.  DET-B
    4-26.  BOS-A
    4-26.  COL-A
    4-28.  CIN-A
    4-28.  OAK-A
    4-29.  PIT-C
    5-1.   ATL-D
    5-1.   STL-A
    5-2.   TEX-B
    5-3.   NYY-B
    5-4.   KC-A
    5-4.   COL-A
    5-4.   BAL-A
    5-6.   BOS-A
    5-9.   COL-D
    5-10.  TEX-A
    5-10.  BOS-A
    5-12.  CIN-A
    5-13.  KC-A
    5-14.  ATL-C
    5-14.  WAS-C
    5-16.  BOS-A
    5-17.  COL-A
    5-17.  ARI-A
    5-17.  CLE-A
    5-18.  NYY-A
    5-18.  SF-C
    5-22.  DET-A
    5-22.  SF-C
    5-24.  TEX-A
    5-26.  BAL-B
    5-26.  BOS-A
    5-27.  SF-D
    5-27.  CLE-C
    5-29.  NYY-C
    5-30.  ATL-A
    5-31.  BAL-A
    5-31.  CLE-B
    6-1.   NYY-C
    6-1.   CIN-A
    6-3.   ARI-B
    6-3.   PIT-B
    6-4.   NYY-A
    6-5.   BAL-B
    6-5.   CLE-(pending C bet)
    6-6.   MIN-A
    6-7.   TB-A
    6-7.   ARI-A

    Today's Plays

    6-8.  CLE-C bet
    6-8.  TEX-A bet


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    Here are the season results so far (51-0, 1 open):

    4-22.  WAS-A
    4-22.  STL-A
    4-23.  ATL-A
    4-24.  OAK-A
    4-24.  DET-B
    4-26.  BOS-A
    4-26.  COL-A
    4-28.  CIN-A
    4-28.  OAK-A
    4-29.  PIT-C
    5-1.   ATL-D
    5-1.   STL-A
    5-2.   TEX-B
    5-3.   NYY-B
    5-4.   KC-A
    5-4.   COL-A
    5-4.   BAL-A
    5-6.   BOS-A
    5-9.   COL-D
    5-10.  TEX-A
    5-10.  BOS-A
    5-12.  CIN-A
    5-13.  KC-A
    5-14.  ATL-C
    5-14.  WAS-C
    5-16.  BOS-A
    5-17.  COL-A
    5-17.  ARI-A
    5-17.  CLE-A
    5-18.  NYY-A
    5-18.  SF-C
    5-22.  DET-A
    5-22.  SF-C
    5-24.  TEX-A
    5-26.  BAL-B
    5-26.  BOS-A
    5-27.  SF-D
    5-27.  CLE-C
    5-29.  NYY-C
    5-30.  ATL-A
    5-31.  BAL-A
    5-31.  CLE-B
    6-1.   NYY-C
    6-1.   CIN-A
    6-3.   ARI-B
    6-3.   PIT-B
    6-4.   NYY-A
    6-5.   BAL-B
    6-5.   CLE-(pending C bet)
    6-6.   MIN-A
    6-7.   TB-A
    6-7.   ARI-A

    Today's Plays

    6-8.  CLE-C bet
    6-8.  TEX-A bet


     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 11:50 AM ET #22

    Correction to 6-6 above:  MIN is a 5 Run Loss Chase....that bet was KC to beat MIN, which they did.

    CORRECTED RECORD ABOVE:  50-0, 1 open chase

    I will check to make sure there aren't any others.
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    Correction to 6-6 above:  MIN is a 5 Run Loss Chase....that bet was KC to beat MIN, which they did.

    CORRECTED RECORD ABOVE:  50-0, 1 open chase

    I will check to make sure there aren't any others.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 11:51 AM ET #23

    The dates above are the date of the A bet.
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    The dates above are the date of the A bet.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 11:54 AM ET #24

    VERY NICE RECORD
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2013 - 2:38 AM ET #25

    eagle that is perfect. thank you for the info on the plays. i'll adjust mine accordingly.
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    eagle that is perfect. thank you for the info on the plays. i'll adjust mine accordingly.
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