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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 3:56 PM ET #101

    Interesting Buck, I'm still updating my database, but should have the ML data for the NBA shortly.
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    Interesting Buck, I'm still updating my database, but should have the ML data for the NBA shortly.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 3:59 PM ET #102

    Would you not use the LVSC opening lines?
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:01 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckfan02:

    Ok... well this is my final verdict
     
    From what I've read and seen, here is how the 3/6/13 system plays along with my twist. You bet any ROAD dog with the line OPENING at 3/6/13. With my research I have found that 2/5/12 lines also hit very well at the CLOSE. This is prolly due to vegas evening the money out on the 3/6/13 games people were betting to open. No buying hooks are anything special 3/6/13 at OPEN 2/5/12 at CLOSE.
     
    What do you think?



    That sounds pretty logical to me.  I guess the exceptions would be like todays new jersey game.  That opened at 4 and may close at 5. but was never anywhere near 6.  So should we discard this type of game u think??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckfan02:

    Ok... well this is my final verdict
     
    From what I've read and seen, here is how the 3/6/13 system plays along with my twist. You bet any ROAD dog with the line OPENING at 3/6/13. With my research I have found that 2/5/12 lines also hit very well at the CLOSE. This is prolly due to vegas evening the money out on the 3/6/13 games people were betting to open. No buying hooks are anything special 3/6/13 at OPEN 2/5/12 at CLOSE.
     
    What do you think?



    That sounds pretty logical to me.  I guess the exceptions would be like todays new jersey game.  That opened at 4 and may close at 5. but was never anywhere near 6.  So should we discard this type of game u think??
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:04 PM ET #104

    Ya I saw that, so were does ESPN come up with 3? Was covers.com around when the developer of this system started it? Where did he get his numbers? I like the idea of the system but not sure where to start with it... all I know is what I've researched and thats with the closing line from covers.com L3 months 27-12 69%  2/5/12 numbers. BOL everyone
     
    Thanks seaotter- let me know what you find, I'm really interested, not to mention dying to turn $10 bucks in $37,000!!!
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    Ya I saw that, so were does ESPN come up with 3? Was covers.com around when the developer of this system started it? Where did he get his numbers? I like the idea of the system but not sure where to start with it... all I know is what I've researched and thats with the closing line from covers.com L3 months 27-12 69%  2/5/12 numbers. BOL everyone
     
    Thanks seaotter- let me know what you find, I'm really interested, not to mention dying to turn $10 bucks in $37,000!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:10 PM ET #105

    papsmear- I couldnt tell ya... the numbers I came up with didnt say which direction the line moved, just the final. Its the NBA anything can happen on any night. So I dont know about discarding any game, if you want to stick to a system
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    papsmear- I couldnt tell ya... the numbers I came up with didnt say which direction the line moved, just the final. Its the NBA anything can happen on any night. So I dont know about discarding any game, if you want to stick to a system
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:10 PM ET #106

    I look at scoresandodds.com to see where the line opened
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    I look at scoresandodds.com to see where the line opened
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:11 PM ET #107

    The only pick in the NBA that fits this trend  today is the Wiz +3
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    The only pick in the NBA that fits this trend  today is the Wiz +3
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:12 PM ET #108

     Does Winthrop meet the +3 system?
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     Does Winthrop meet the +3 system?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:14 PM ET #109

    Lotsa lines:

    https://www.sbrlines.com/index.php?q=odds&l=nba&period=game&line=pointspread

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    Lotsa lines:

    https://www.sbrlines.com/index.php?q=odds&l=nba&period=game&line=pointspread

     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:19 PM ET #110

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

     Does Winthrop meet the +3 system?
    Not really because the line opened @ 3.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

     Does Winthrop meet the +3 system?
    Not really because the line opened @ 3.5
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:21 PM ET #111

    well if you know the system works with the closing lines, jsut use them.  Im thinking about playing the moneyline on these two. 


    new jersey +194
    washington +135
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    well if you know the system works with the closing lines, jsut use them.  Im thinking about playing the moneyline on these two. 


    new jersey +194
    washington +135
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:29 PM ET #112

    I hope this along with pucku can get the train rolling...fn Arizona shot me in the ass last night...
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    I hope this along with pucku can get the train rolling...fn Arizona shot me in the ass last night...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:31 PM ET #113

    WHODAMANN; just doing some research on the3 6 13 theory, have had un-believable success with it, and would like to get all the answers, and insight available,through an open forum set up for handicappers with experience, and un-limited knowledge. The 76% is my only concern, my career is in handicapping sporting match ups, this about money, and until this is resolved we'll keep discussing it thnk
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    WHODAMANN; just doing some research on the3 6 13 theory, have had un-believable success with it, and would like to get all the answers, and insight available,through an open forum set up for handicappers with experience, and un-limited knowledge. The 76% is my only concern, my career is in handicapping sporting match ups, this about money, and until this is resolved we'll keep discussing it thnk
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:38 PM ET #114

    michael- Ya that 'Zona game had trap written all over it... 82% or somthing like that of the money was on them, but the line moved from pk to +2... vegas wanted that 'Zona $$. I call that a huge signal in the other direction. Keep an eye out for those. It was the same line switch as the Michigan State loss to Penn State about a month ago. I banked on Washington last night and Penn State then. BOL tonight.
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    michael- Ya that 'Zona game had trap written all over it... 82% or somthing like that of the money was on them, but the line moved from pk to +2... vegas wanted that 'Zona $$. I call that a huge signal in the other direction. Keep an eye out for those. It was the same line switch as the Michigan State loss to Penn State about a month ago. I banked on Washington last night and Penn State then. BOL tonight.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:40 PM ET #115

    Guys KNICKS doesn't fit the system tonight because they are playing HOME! The only team that fits the category tonight is the WASHINGTON WIZARDS +3 at Cleveland. (ROAD DOGS +3/+6/+13)
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    Guys KNICKS doesn't fit the system tonight because they are playing HOME! The only team that fits the category tonight is the WASHINGTON WIZARDS +3 at Cleveland. (ROAD DOGS +3/+6/+13)
     
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    thank you neoJhim3
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    thank you neoJhim3
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 4:58 PM ET #117

    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
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    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
     
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    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
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    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
     
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    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
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    Thank You Stash for bringing up the system!
     
    And why other people asking about college? Didn't you just say this only works in NBA?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2008 - 5:06 PM ET #120

    Well, the numbers aren't very impressive for the moneylines.
     
    3/6/13 lines, looking at only moneyline wins on these numbers:  Entire NBA season:
     
    Total games       116
    Total ML wins       46
    Percentage          40%
     
    Total games w/ line at 3       34
    Total ML wins                      18
    Percentage                         53% 
     
    Total games w/ line at 6      77
    Total ML wins                     27
    Percentage                        35%
     
    Total games w/ line at 13    5
    Total ML wins                    1
    Percentage                       20 %
     
    Now, since ML's come with + money, and this is going to be crude, so hang on.
     
    Line of  +3 gives ML of +135
    Line of  +6 gives ML of +300
    Line of +13 gives ML of +650
    (ML dollars from scoresandodds.com lines)
     
    Hope all this stuff stays lined up.  LOL
     
    Now,  all games w/ +3 and betting the ML gives us
    (18*1.35) -(16*1)
         24.3   -   16  =  8.3 units
     
    all games w/ +6 and betting  the ML gives us:
    (27*3.0) - (50*1)
        81    -     50   = 31 units
     
    all games w/ +13 and betting the ML gives us:
     (1*6.5)  - (4*1)
         6.5  -    4    = 2.5 units
     
    8.3 + 31  + 2.5  = 41.8 unit profit for the entire NBA season when betting the moneyline on games where the spread is +3, +6, or +13.
     
    Not bad, may try to manipulate this later to see where improvements can be made.  Now, remember, this is for the closing lines and not the opening lines.  My database only has closing lines.  I'm in the process of changing the DB to include more data for better flexibility.
     
    Someone check my math and logic please!!!
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    Well, the numbers aren't very impressive for the moneylines.
     
    3/6/13 lines, looking at only moneyline wins on these numbers:  Entire NBA season:
     
    Total games       116
    Total ML wins       46
    Percentage          40%
     
    Total games w/ line at 3       34
    Total ML wins                      18
    Percentage                         53% 
     
    Total games w/ line at 6      77
    Total ML wins                     27
    Percentage                        35%
     
    Total games w/ line at 13    5
    Total ML wins                    1
    Percentage                       20 %
     
    Now, since ML's come with + money, and this is going to be crude, so hang on.
     
    Line of  +3 gives ML of +135
    Line of  +6 gives ML of +300
    Line of +13 gives ML of +650
    (ML dollars from scoresandodds.com lines)
     
    Hope all this stuff stays lined up.  LOL
     
    Now,  all games w/ +3 and betting the ML gives us
    (18*1.35) -(16*1)
         24.3   -   16  =  8.3 units
     
    all games w/ +6 and betting  the ML gives us:
    (27*3.0) - (50*1)
        81    -     50   = 31 units
     
    all games w/ +13 and betting the ML gives us:
     (1*6.5)  - (4*1)
         6.5  -    4    = 2.5 units
     
    8.3 + 31  + 2.5  = 41.8 unit profit for the entire NBA season when betting the moneyline on games where the spread is +3, +6, or +13.
     
    Not bad, may try to manipulate this later to see where improvements can be made.  Now, remember, this is for the closing lines and not the opening lines.  My database only has closing lines.  I'm in the process of changing the DB to include more data for better flexibility.
     
    Someone check my math and logic please!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by seaotter:

    Well, the numbers aren't very impressive for the moneylines.
     
    3/6/13 lines, looking at only moneyline wins on these numbers:  Entire NBA season:
     
    Total games       116
    Total ML wins       46
    Percentage          40%
     
    Total games w/ line at 3       34
    Total ML wins                      18
    Percentage                         53% 
     
    Total games w/ line at 6      77
    Total ML wins                     27
    Percentage                        35%
     
    Total games w/ line at 13    5
    Total ML wins                    1
    Percentage                       20 %
     
    Now, since ML's come with + money, and this is going to be crude, so hang on.
     
    Line of  +3 gives ML of +135
    Line of  +6 gives ML of +300
    Line of +13 gives ML of +650
    (ML dollars from scoresandodds.com lines)
     
    Hope all this stuff stays lined up.  LOL
     
    Now,  all games w/ +3 and betting the ML gives us
    (18*1.35) -(16*1)
         24.3   -   16  =  8.3 units
     
    all games w/ +6 and betting  the ML gives us:
    (27*3.0) - (50*1)
        81    -     50   = 31 units
     
    all games w/ +13 and betting the ML gives us:
     (1*6.5)  - (4*1)
         6.5  -    4    = 2.5 units
     
    8.3 + 31  + 2.5  = 41.8 unit profit for the entire NBA season when betting the moneyline on games where the spread is +3, +6, or +13.
     
    Not bad, may try to manipulate this later to see where improvements can be made.  Now, remember, this is for the closing lines and not the opening lines.  My database only has closing lines.  I'm in the process of changing the DB to include more data for better flexibility.
     
    Someone check my math and logic please!!!



    That is some really nice profit.  Otter is that for only road dogs or for both home and road lines.  ???
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    Well, the numbers aren't very impressive for the moneylines.
     
    3/6/13 lines, looking at only moneyline wins on these numbers:  Entire NBA season:
     
    Total games       116
    Total ML wins       46
    Percentage          40%
     
    Total games w/ line at 3       34
    Total ML wins                      18
    Percentage                         53% 
     
    Total games w/ line at 6      77
    Total ML wins                     27
    Percentage                        35%
     
    Total games w/ line at 13    5
    Total ML wins                    1
    Percentage                       20 %
     
    Now, since ML's come with + money, and this is going to be crude, so hang on.
     
    Line of  +3 gives ML of +135
    Line of  +6 gives ML of +300
    Line of +13 gives ML of +650
    (ML dollars from scoresandodds.com lines)
     
    Hope all this stuff stays lined up.  LOL
     
    Now,  all games w/ +3 and betting the ML gives us
    (18*1.35) -(16*1)
         24.3   -   16  =  8.3 units
     
    all games w/ +6 and betting  the ML gives us:
    (27*3.0) - (50*1)
        81    -     50   = 31 units
     
    all games w/ +13 and betting the ML gives us:
     (1*6.5)  - (4*1)
         6.5  -    4    = 2.5 units
     
    8.3 + 31  + 2.5  = 41.8 unit profit for the entire NBA season when betting the moneyline on games where the spread is +3, +6, or +13.
     
    Not bad, may try to manipulate this later to see where improvements can be made.  Now, remember, this is for the closing lines and not the opening lines.  My database only has closing lines.  I'm in the process of changing the DB to include more data for better flexibility.
     
    Someone check my math and logic please!!!



    That is some really nice profit.  Otter is that for only road dogs or for both home and road lines.  ???
     
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    good work guys.  keep it up will be checking u guys out later
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    good work guys.  keep it up will be checking u guys out later
     
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    If i'm reading this correctly, the plays are based on the opening lines, correct? If this is so, a heads up, the Spurs have opened as a 6 point home fav. vs. the Hornets on saturday. The Hornets +6 would then be a play.
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    If i'm reading this correctly, the plays are based on the opening lines, correct? If this is so, a heads up, the Spurs have opened as a 6 point home fav. vs. the Hornets on saturday. The Hornets +6 would then be a play.
     
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    All games, home or away wher line is 3, 6, or 13.
     
    Mentioned this earlier in thread, so be aware of this for tomorrow.  Not saying it would hit again, but you never know.  This was in CBB.
     
    Wasn't going to mention this, but..... Last weekend in CBB there were 4 teams with +13 opening lines and huge ML's of 400+.  Well, as luck would have it, not only did all four teams cover the 13 point spread, but they all won OUTRIGHT(Ok St, Richmond, NC-Wilm, & Auburn) getting the 13 points.  Well, I used a ML calculator to calculate a four team ML parlay with the 400+ odds.  Here's the sick part.  On a $10 bet, $10.00 mind you, the payout for the parlay was $37,000 and change.  Yeah, THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND  and change.  Now, I know that it may never hit again, but if the oppurtunity comes up again, I'll waste $10 on that chance anyday!!!!
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    All games, home or away wher line is 3, 6, or 13.
     
    Mentioned this earlier in thread, so be aware of this for tomorrow.  Not saying it would hit again, but you never know.  This was in CBB.
     
    Wasn't going to mention this, but..... Last weekend in CBB there were 4 teams with +13 opening lines and huge ML's of 400+.  Well, as luck would have it, not only did all four teams cover the 13 point spread, but they all won OUTRIGHT(Ok St, Richmond, NC-Wilm, & Auburn) getting the 13 points.  Well, I used a ML calculator to calculate a four team ML parlay with the 400+ odds.  Here's the sick part.  On a $10 bet, $10.00 mind you, the payout for the parlay was $37,000 and change.  Yeah, THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND  and change.  Now, I know that it may never hit again, but if the oppurtunity comes up again, I'll waste $10 on that chance anyday!!!!
     
     
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    SEAOTTER.  great data, excellent information, you formulate your % accurately, that was one impressive piece, thnk
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    SEAOTTER.  great data, excellent information, you formulate your % accurately, that was one impressive piece, thnk
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