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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:24 PM ET #1

    France has conceded
    - 21 pts to Japan
    - 19 pts to Canada
    - 37 pts to the ABs

    France IMO is a lazy side, so even if they put their best 15 on the paddock tonight, they'll do what's necessary to get their bonus pt win, and then bumble through til the 80th minute. Part of the reason I think they'll do this is because they won't fear Tonga (just like the reason I see Japan & Canada having scored many pts as they did is because they didn't fear them either). France doesn't have the pride of NZ or SAF to have it in mind not to concede tries for the sake of ending the game with 'a clean sheet'. On Tonga's side of things, they're playing to finish 3rd in the group, and any sort of bonus point will see them manage that. The route to that bonus pt is most obviously through scoring 4 tries.

    Which brings me to the bets I'm considering.

    (1) Tonga team total over 13.5 (@NZ TAB - Centrebet has 15.0 priced at a strange 1.01, obv. a mistake)
    (2) Tonga tries Over 1.5 (2.35 @NZ TAB)
    (3) Match Over 54.5 pts.

    Out of left field stat:
    In the first 10 games of the tourney, we had 4 losing teams score 20+ pts.
    In the last 23 games, we haven't had a single losing team score 20+ pts.

    In the games remaining:
    - Russia as losers won't score 20+ vs Aussie
    - Scotland as losers won't score 20+ vs England
    - Georgia as losers won't score 20+ vs Argentina
    - Canada as losers won't score 20+ vs the ABs
    - Fiji haven't shown enough to suggest as losers they'll score 20+ on the Welsh D (But I admit it's possible since Wales is playing for nothing)
    - Italy, in such a crucial match for Ireland, is extremely doubtful to score 20 pts as losers

    Since I find it hard to believe there won't be 1 losing team not to score 20+ pts in the final 30 matches of pool play, I think Tonga (given previous French defensive efforts) is the prime candidate to do so, hence their team total Over is very hard to ignore (obv. they could fail to get 20+ pts as a loser, and still easily go over that 13.5 mark). Hard to think they get 20+ pts with 1 try and a ton of penalties, so their team total tries going over 1.5 is also hard to ignore (Japan got 2 against the Frogs, and while Canada only got 1, they spent most of their good field position time kicking either drop goals or penalties, and Tonga won't give a fuck about either after the 1st 20 mins, one would imagine).

    I can tell you it's a glorious day on the Kapiti Coast today, and has been for the last 2-3 days, so there's no threat of bad weather that I'm aware of affecting scoring matters at the Cake-tin in Wellington for tonight's game.
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    France has conceded
    - 21 pts to Japan
    - 19 pts to Canada
    - 37 pts to the ABs

    France IMO is a lazy side, so even if they put their best 15 on the paddock tonight, they'll do what's necessary to get their bonus pt win, and then bumble through til the 80th minute. Part of the reason I think they'll do this is because they won't fear Tonga (just like the reason I see Japan & Canada having scored many pts as they did is because they didn't fear them either). France doesn't have the pride of NZ or SAF to have it in mind not to concede tries for the sake of ending the game with 'a clean sheet'. On Tonga's side of things, they're playing to finish 3rd in the group, and any sort of bonus point will see them manage that. The route to that bonus pt is most obviously through scoring 4 tries.

    Which brings me to the bets I'm considering.

    (1) Tonga team total over 13.5 (@NZ TAB - Centrebet has 15.0 priced at a strange 1.01, obv. a mistake)
    (2) Tonga tries Over 1.5 (2.35 @NZ TAB)
    (3) Match Over 54.5 pts.

    Out of left field stat:
    In the first 10 games of the tourney, we had 4 losing teams score 20+ pts.
    In the last 23 games, we haven't had a single losing team score 20+ pts.

    In the games remaining:
    - Russia as losers won't score 20+ vs Aussie
    - Scotland as losers won't score 20+ vs England
    - Georgia as losers won't score 20+ vs Argentina
    - Canada as losers won't score 20+ vs the ABs
    - Fiji haven't shown enough to suggest as losers they'll score 20+ on the Welsh D (But I admit it's possible since Wales is playing for nothing)
    - Italy, in such a crucial match for Ireland, is extremely doubtful to score 20 pts as losers

    Since I find it hard to believe there won't be 1 losing team not to score 20+ pts in the final 30 matches of pool play, I think Tonga (given previous French defensive efforts) is the prime candidate to do so, hence their team total Over is very hard to ignore (obv. they could fail to get 20+ pts as a loser, and still easily go over that 13.5 mark). Hard to think they get 20+ pts with 1 try and a ton of penalties, so their team total tries going over 1.5 is also hard to ignore (Japan got 2 against the Frogs, and while Canada only got 1, they spent most of their good field position time kicking either drop goals or penalties, and Tonga won't give a fuck about either after the 1st 20 mins, one would imagine).

    I can tell you it's a glorious day on the Kapiti Coast today, and has been for the last 2-3 days, so there's no threat of bad weather that I'm aware of affecting scoring matters at the Cake-tin in Wellington for tonight's game.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:36 PM ET #2

    Spot on
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:37 PM ET #3

    Money flooding in on Tonga every which way......
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 10:47 PM ET #4

    I'd rather opt for Tonga team pts O13.5 than the +25/26.5 spread. Tonga could easily lose, say, 42-14/44-17.
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    I'd rather opt for Tonga team pts O13.5 than the +25/26.5 spread. Tonga could easily lose, say, 42-14/44-17.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #5

    I agree with what you said...France will do enough to get the bonus and move onto the next stage.

    Wish I had other options with my books but I am on Tonga +28.

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    I agree with what you said...France will do enough to get the bonus and move onto the next stage.

    Wish I had other options with my books but I am on Tonga +28.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:27 PM ET #6

    GL Seymour. If Tonga score the amount of pts I think they will (between 17-24), I think +28 will be hard pressed to lose (prob Push at worst).
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    GL Seymour. If Tonga score the amount of pts I think they will (between 17-24), I think +28 will be hard pressed to lose (prob Push at worst).
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 12:00 AM ET #7

    Russia have put 22 on Australia
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 12:12 AM ET #8

    Auatralia

     

    I think someone said the loser was due to score 20+.

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    I think someone said the loser was due to score 20+.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 12:48 AM ET #9

    Looks good BC, got a good number at 12.5
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:11 AM ET #10

    Took O13.5, didn't bother w/O1.5 tries. If they get the latter, they should get the former.

    BOL DP

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    Took O13.5, didn't bother w/O1.5 tries. If they get the latter, they should get the former.

    BOL DP

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:17 AM ET #11

    One thing that doesn't help this bet, is France taking forever to get their 4 tries. They'll be semi-serious to serious on D until that point arrives.
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    One thing that doesn't help this bet, is France taking forever to get their 4 tries. They'll be semi-serious to serious on D until that point arrives.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:31 AM ET #12

    Tonga TRY

    but its right out fucking wide

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    but its right out fucking wide

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:33 AM ET #13

    kick successful from out wide

    10 pts in 28 mins - 52 mins to score 4 more

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    kick successful from out wide

    10 pts in 28 mins - 52 mins to score 4 more

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:43 AM ET #14

    Tonga 13 pts

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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:58 AM ET #15

    Congrats on the great line and win. I'm a bit nervous now. It's not like France hasn't got the capacity to shut out Tonga for 40 mins, and they've certainly now got the motivation to put in one helluva defensive effort to save their cup dream
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    Congrats on the great line and win. I'm a bit nervous now. It's not like France hasn't got the capacity to shut out Tonga for 40 mins, and they've certainly now got the motivation to put in one helluva defensive effort to save their cup dream
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 1:59 AM ET #16

    Wanted to take Tonga to win at $5 but now it's at 3.30. Anyone still think there's good value in that? Line only at +8.5

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    Wanted to take Tonga to win at $5 but now it's at 3.30. Anyone still think there's good value in that? Line only at +8.5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:05 AM ET #17

    I'd rather take the 8.5. France misses the quarters is hard to bet at only +230.
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:14 AM ET #18

    Tonga just fucking turned down an easy 3 pts
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:15 AM ET #19

    Tonga just fucking turned down an easy 3 pts
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:15 AM ET #20

    and then they turn the ball over

    IDIOTS

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    and then they turn the ball over

    IDIOTS

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:16 AM ET #21

    I ended up taking the +8.5, head to head keeps dropping
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:18 AM ET #22

    Tonga is pathetic. What team on this planet trurns down 3 pts to take their lead back to 7 in a tight game?
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:20 AM ET #23

    I've seen more poor decisions from Tonga in the last 5 minutes, than there was in the previous 50
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:23 AM ET #24

    What are your thoughts on the Eng game BC? You think Scotland covers 12.5?
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2011 - 2:25 AM ET #25

    The moose is here. Another kick missed.
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