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    Pittsburgh at Baltimore (12/14/2008)

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    Mr_Covers
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 2:22 AM ET #1

    Away:  Pittsburgh [7-6 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [10-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    09/29/08 - BAL 20 vs. PIT 23

    Team Leaders:

    Pittsburgh:
    Passing: Ben Roethlisberger (2627)
    Rushing: Willie Parker (597)
    Receiving: Hines Ward (761)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (2410)
    Rushing: Le'Ron McClain (580)
    Receiving: Derrick Mason (871)

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    Away:  Pittsburgh [7-6 ATS]
    Home:  Baltimore [10-3 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:15 PM
    Stadium: M&T Bank Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
    09/29/08 - BAL 20 vs. PIT 23

    Team Leaders:

    Pittsburgh:
    Passing: Ben Roethlisberger (2627)
    Rushing: Willie Parker (597)
    Receiving: Hines Ward (761)

    Baltimore:
    Passing: Joe Flacco (2410)
    Rushing: Le'Ron McClain (580)
    Receiving: Derrick Mason (871)

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    ShadowWarrior
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 2:52 AM ET #2

    Ravens have a potent jumbo package.  if steelers can not stop their run game, it will be a long day for them.
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    Ravens have a potent jumbo package.  if steelers can not stop their run game, it will be a long day for them.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 2:59 PM ET #3

    Steelers D is allowing 73 yds per game on the ground this season.They will load the box and force Flacco to beat them through the air. If the ravens win this game it will definitely be with their defense. This will be a field position game and the team that blinks first will lose. I think Rothliesberger will be pressured  heavily and sacked 5+ times again.This should be a very hard hitting low scoring contest. I think the edge goes to Baltimore only because Pitts offensive line is so suspect. Under might be the best play here. Ravens by a fg 13-10.
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    Steelers D is allowing 73 yds per game on the ground this season.They will load the box and force Flacco to beat them through the air. If the ravens win this game it will definitely be with their defense. This will be a field position game and the team that blinks first will lose. I think Rothliesberger will be pressured  heavily and sacked 5+ times again.This should be a very hard hitting low scoring contest. I think the edge goes to Baltimore only because Pitts offensive line is so suspect. Under might be the best play here. Ravens by a fg 13-10.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 8:11 PM ET #4

    Like I said last week, I've been rolling with the Ravens (and the Falcons - but they let me down last week, oh well, can't win 'em all) all year long!!! Pitt got lucky against Dallas last week - lightning won't strike twice..... Go Ravens!!!!!
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    Like I said last week, I've been rolling with the Ravens (and the Falcons - but they let me down last week, oh well, can't win 'em all) all year long!!! Pitt got lucky against Dallas last week - lightning won't strike twice..... Go Ravens!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 10:07 PM ET #5

    The spread shows Steelers more class, but do they bounce from a hard  game last week going to Baltimore with the Ravens Defense pumped up.  i still think Steelers know how to beat the ravens in this game.  Both are winning with good defense so jpd110 makes a good point just go under 13-10 sounds good, whats the weather like, has to be cold.
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    The spread shows Steelers more class, but do they bounce from a hard  game last week going to Baltimore with the Ravens Defense pumped up.  i still think Steelers know how to beat the ravens in this game.  Both are winning with good defense so jpd110 makes a good point just go under 13-10 sounds good, whats the weather like, has to be cold.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 12:48 AM ET #6

    Under is the play. With these two defenses Under is the logical play, only busted in these types of games when one team totally doesn't show up (not gonna happen) or turnovers create quick scores. 

    Turnovers was the case last time between these 2. Steelers forced and fumble and recovered for a 7 yard score. Earlier a pick by Ngata (yes Ngata) gave the Ravens mid-field position for an easy FG.

    Take out those 2 and the game ends 13-17. The other FG came in over time.  Flacco has matured a lot and won't be stoopid with the ball. Steelers couldn't run it all last time, the Ravens got yards but only at about 3 yards a pop.
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    Under is the play. With these two defenses Under is the logical play, only busted in these types of games when one team totally doesn't show up (not gonna happen) or turnovers create quick scores. 

    Turnovers was the case last time between these 2. Steelers forced and fumble and recovered for a 7 yard score. Earlier a pick by Ngata (yes Ngata) gave the Ravens mid-field position for an easy FG.

    Take out those 2 and the game ends 13-17. The other FG came in over time.  Flacco has matured a lot and won't be stoopid with the ball. Steelers couldn't run it all last time, the Ravens got yards but only at about 3 yards a pop.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 2:05 AM ET #7

    should be the best game of the week.....I will miss it to attend the raiders pats.....gl
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    should be the best game of the week.....I will miss it to attend the raiders pats.....gl
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 10:20 AM ET #8

    This game will be awesome!  The Ravens had the game earlier this year when they played in week 4 and definatly circled this one on the calendar for the rematch.  I think Flacco has been playing better as of late and it will show this weekend.  I don't know how many more games the Steelers will pull out of their asses this season so.......I'm taking the Ravens for a huge play!  The AFC North will change this weekend with the Ravens on top!
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    This game will be awesome!  The Ravens had the game earlier this year when they played in week 4 and definatly circled this one on the calendar for the rematch.  I think Flacco has been playing better as of late and it will show this weekend.  I don't know how many more games the Steelers will pull out of their asses this season so.......I'm taking the Ravens for a huge play!  The AFC North will change this weekend with the Ravens on top!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 10:32 AM ET #9

    This game should be very physical.  Leaning on the under here.  Lot of rushing and short passes.
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    This game should be very physical.  Leaning on the under here.  Lot of rushing and short passes.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 4:37 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by kmaster:

    This game will be awesome!  The Ravens had the game earlier this year when they played in week 4 and definatly circled this one on the calendar for the rematch.  I think Flacco has been playing better as of late and it will show this weekend.  I don't know how many more games the Steelers will pull out of their asses this season so.......I'm taking the Ravens for a huge play!  The AFC North will change this weekend with the Ravens on top!

    even if the ravens win the Steelers will be on top due to tie breakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmaster:

    This game will be awesome!  The Ravens had the game earlier this year when they played in week 4 and definatly circled this one on the calendar for the rematch.  I think Flacco has been playing better as of late and it will show this weekend.  I don't know how many more games the Steelers will pull out of their asses this season so.......I'm taking the Ravens for a huge play!  The AFC North will change this weekend with the Ravens on top!

    even if the ravens win the Steelers will be on top due to tie breakers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 5:12 PM ET #11

    The Ravens will be on top with a win this weekend!  How do you figure the Steelers will be on top even if they lose?  Please post accurate information!!!!!
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    The Ravens will be on top with a win this weekend!  How do you figure the Steelers will be on top even if they lose?  Please post accurate information!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 8:47 PM ET #12

    Another bit of info for everyone too.......The Steelers have not beat the Ravens in Baltimore since 2002!
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    Another bit of info for everyone too.......The Steelers have not beat the Ravens in Baltimore since 2002!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2008 - 9:47 PM ET #13

    pittsburgh cant belive ppl are saying baltimore. both good defences but steelers will be able to move ball better then baltimore invisable offence
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    pittsburgh cant belive ppl are saying baltimore. both good defences but steelers will be able to move ball better then baltimore invisable offence
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 2:50 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by irishkid:

    pittsburgh cant belive ppl are saying baltimore. both good defences but steelers will be able to move ball better then baltimore invisable offence


    Typical illiterate PIT fan.

    Baltimore hates PIT even more than the rest of world does. Bmore's O is solid. One of the top 5 rushes in the league and an air attack that gets better every week.

    Turnovers are the key and with Baltimore's D chipping away each play Ben's bound to toss a few.

    Ravens win by 3-7 pts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishkid:

    pittsburgh cant belive ppl are saying baltimore. both good defences but steelers will be able to move ball better then baltimore invisable offence


    Typical illiterate PIT fan.

    Baltimore hates PIT even more than the rest of world does. Bmore's O is solid. One of the top 5 rushes in the league and an air attack that gets better every week.

    Turnovers are the key and with Baltimore's D chipping away each play Ben's bound to toss a few.

    Ravens win by 3-7 pts.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 9:41 AM ET #15

    Sorry but not a pittsburgh fan, a football fan and i know enough to say Pittsburgh is gonna win this game straight up. ill send u a message after the game to say ''i told ya so''.
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    Sorry but not a pittsburgh fan, a football fan and i know enough to say Pittsburgh is gonna win this game straight up. ill send u a message after the game to say ''i told ya so''.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:47 AM ET #16

    Peat,

    Who has the better D? PIT...... Even if the offense is anything but horrible PIT will win...They lead the league in almost every catagory that counts on D...Total defense pit = #1 in the league...against the pass #1 in the league against the run #1 in the league...I think your illiterate "peat"

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    Peat,

    Who has the better D? PIT...... Even if the offense is anything but horrible PIT will win...They lead the league in almost every catagory that counts on D...Total defense pit = #1 in the league...against the pass #1 in the league against the run #1 in the league...I think your illiterate "peat"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 3:43 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    Ravens have a potent jumbo package.  if steelers can not stop their run game, it will be a long day for them.

    Stop there run. No disrespect, but, The Steelers are much of a push over when it comes to the pass let alone the run. Flacco seemed to give the Steelers fits this year not the run. This game has playoff atmosphere all over it. It should be a blood bath.  S

     

    Steelers 17-13

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    Ravens have a potent jumbo package.  if steelers can not stop their run game, it will be a long day for them.

    Stop there run. No disrespect, but, The Steelers are much of a push over when it comes to the pass let alone the run. Flacco seemed to give the Steelers fits this year not the run. This game has playoff atmosphere all over it. It should be a blood bath.  S

     

    Steelers 17-13

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 3:46 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:

    Like I said last week, I've been rolling with the Ravens (and the Falcons - but they let me down last week, oh well, can't win 'em all) all year long!!! Pitt got lucky against Dallas last week - lightning won't strike twice..... Go Ravens!!!!!
    Lucky last week! If there wasn't luck then why do we bet. How about mistakes on the offense of side of the ball by Dallas. Oh that's right,Ray didn't get lucky at his trial either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:

    Like I said last week, I've been rolling with the Ravens (and the Falcons - but they let me down last week, oh well, can't win 'em all) all year long!!! Pitt got lucky against Dallas last week - lightning won't strike twice..... Go Ravens!!!!!
    Lucky last week! If there wasn't luck then why do we bet. How about mistakes on the offense of side of the ball by Dallas. Oh that's right,Ray didn't get lucky at his trial either.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 3:52 PM ET #19

    Peat,
    Can't disagree with the fact Ben WILL make mistakes. Turnovers are key to every Football game, not just Baltimores. Shouldn't you be questioning the fact your players are more concerned with one person(Ward) than the football game. Keep your head on or you just might get your jaw broke.
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    Peat,
    Can't disagree with the fact Ben WILL make mistakes. Turnovers are key to every Football game, not just Baltimores. Shouldn't you be questioning the fact your players are more concerned with one person(Ward) than the football game. Keep your head on or you just might get your jaw broke.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 5:24 PM ET #20

    The last time these 2 played was on Monday night football. and the Steelers were Stuffed in the 1st half....Balt was leading 13-3 at Steelers...I also may add that was one of the Under Games that hit on Monday Night football. I saw a Joe flacco that came out throwing agaisnt Pitt. They had a chance to run away with the Game but slowly let Pitt back in it and lost in OT by a FG. If Steeler wins they clinch a 1st round. Balt Wins they lead Indy and NE in the playoff WildCard Spot. Look for a Balt D to Come out and play similar to how Dallas D played agasinst the Steelers Except this time look for Flacco to manage the game and let his Running Game help him out with the play action. I know Redskins D had enough of that Running attack and you have to admit Wash D is still Good so to see them have success against a good D was a warm up for how they will play against The Steelers. I had Steelers last week against Dallas I felt I ws so Lucky to be on the right side, But the steelers luck runs out this week. There on the road. Willie lashing out how he wants the balll. Coach is upset on his action and I see mixture of bad blood with the O and this is something that should not be happenig this late in the year especially if Pitt is Winning.  If Ben gives up Turnovers Early Look for balt to play Lights Out D and run away with this one. GL to All. If thereis any Injury Updates,etc. Please Let me know.

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    The last time these 2 played was on Monday night football. and the Steelers were Stuffed in the 1st half....Balt was leading 13-3 at Steelers...I also may add that was one of the Under Games that hit on Monday Night football. I saw a Joe flacco that came out throwing agaisnt Pitt. They had a chance to run away with the Game but slowly let Pitt back in it and lost in OT by a FG. If Steeler wins they clinch a 1st round. Balt Wins they lead Indy and NE in the playoff WildCard Spot. Look for a Balt D to Come out and play similar to how Dallas D played agasinst the Steelers Except this time look for Flacco to manage the game and let his Running Game help him out with the play action. I know Redskins D had enough of that Running attack and you have to admit Wash D is still Good so to see them have success against a good D was a warm up for how they will play against The Steelers. I had Steelers last week against Dallas I felt I ws so Lucky to be on the right side, But the steelers luck runs out this week. There on the road. Willie lashing out how he wants the balll. Coach is upset on his action and I see mixture of bad blood with the O and this is something that should not be happenig this late in the year especially if Pitt is Winning.  If Ben gives up Turnovers Early Look for balt to play Lights Out D and run away with this one. GL to All. If thereis any Injury Updates,etc. Please Let me know.

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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 6:22 PM ET #21

    Whats with all the incorrect info people are posting lately?  I've said it once and I'll say it again......If Baltimore wins then they will be leading the NFC North.  Also LTE23, the last time these two teams met on MNF the final score was 23-20 which went over the 36.5 total!  I wish people would actually look into things before making random posts with bogus information!
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    Whats with all the incorrect info people are posting lately?  I've said it once and I'll say it again......If Baltimore wins then they will be leading the NFC North.  Also LTE23, the last time these two teams met on MNF the final score was 23-20 which went over the 36.5 total!  I wish people would actually look into things before making random posts with bogus information!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 9:42 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by juiced4prison:

    Lucky last week! If there wasn't luck then why do we bet. How about mistakes on the offense of side of the ball by Dallas. Oh that's right,Ray didn't get lucky at his trial either.


    Let's not rewrite history here - Pitt was getting soundly beaten for 3.5 quarters last week by a much weaker defense than the Ravens have. And at home no less. If stupid Romo didn't try to keep forcing things to his "roommate" Witten, I bet you the line would be like Ravens -5.5 or maybe 6 this week.

    .....and Ray Who by the way? Ray Lewis?? Don't you want a guy who was up for murder charges playing ILB on your defense?!?! - HA!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by juiced4prison:

    Lucky last week! If there wasn't luck then why do we bet. How about mistakes on the offense of side of the ball by Dallas. Oh that's right,Ray didn't get lucky at his trial either.


    Let's not rewrite history here - Pitt was getting soundly beaten for 3.5 quarters last week by a much weaker defense than the Ravens have. And at home no less. If stupid Romo didn't try to keep forcing things to his "roommate" Witten, I bet you the line would be like Ravens -5.5 or maybe 6 this week.

    .....and Ray Who by the way? Ray Lewis?? Don't you want a guy who was up for murder charges playing ILB on your defense?!?! - HA!!!


     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:38 PM ET #23

    I'll go out on a limb and say Balt has the better D. I got them in fantasy as my defense and they lead all defenses in fantasy points and they helped me a lot out this year and i hope they can do it again and help me get into the championship.
     
    But in reality, this will be a good game. I can see Balt winning by 10-14 points. Pitt has been getting lucky lately.
     
    Oh and i also think Reed is better than Troy. Reed, just like Troy, is always near the ball. When Reed gets the ball its going to the house all the time. He is Amazing.
     
    I gotta go Balt at home.
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    I'll go out on a limb and say Balt has the better D. I got them in fantasy as my defense and they lead all defenses in fantasy points and they helped me a lot out this year and i hope they can do it again and help me get into the championship.
     
    But in reality, this will be a good game. I can see Balt winning by 10-14 points. Pitt has been getting lucky lately.
     
    Oh and i also think Reed is better than Troy. Reed, just like Troy, is always near the ball. When Reed gets the ball its going to the house all the time. He is Amazing.
     
    I gotta go Balt at home.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:48 PM ET #24

    It's all good fellas. Smack talking is half the fun!

    PIT is a very good team.

    But if a week 4 rookie can give them trouble, that SAME rookie with 11 weeks more experience AT HOME (with Baltimore's 12th man) has a hell of a shot.

    Run is irrelevant (even though Ravens is 5th in the league vs PIT's 23rd) because both teams D is too damn good.

    Gonna a be a good game and hope Ben gets a ton of mouthfuls of dirt on the way to the L column.
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    It's all good fellas. Smack talking is half the fun!

    PIT is a very good team.

    But if a week 4 rookie can give them trouble, that SAME rookie with 11 weeks more experience AT HOME (with Baltimore's 12th man) has a hell of a shot.

    Run is irrelevant (even though Ravens is 5th in the league vs PIT's 23rd) because both teams D is too damn good.

    Gonna a be a good game and hope Ben gets a ton of mouthfuls of dirt on the way to the L column.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2008 - 2:27 AM ET #25

    [Quote: Originally Posted by kmaster]
    The Ravens will be on top with a win this weekend!  How do you figure the Steelers will be on top even if they lose?  Please post accurate information!!!!!
     
     
    That is correct with a baltimore win they would be on top of the division since each team will be 1 and 1 in head to head play, so the next tie procedure would be division record and baltimore will be 5-1 and pittsburgh would be 4-1 which would give baltimore the edge.   Which is from what i understand about the tie breaking system
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by kmaster]
    The Ravens will be on top with a win this weekend!  How do you figure the Steelers will be on top even if they lose?  Please post accurate information!!!!!
     
     
    That is correct with a baltimore win they would be on top of the division since each team will be 1 and 1 in head to head play, so the next tie procedure would be division record and baltimore will be 5-1 and pittsburgh would be 4-1 which would give baltimore the edge.   Which is from what i understand about the tie breaking system
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