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mgusto555

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 7:42 AM ET #76

Alright boys Gusto is about to share another lock from his sports almanac. Look for this game to be all about the bears. Both teams need a win here to keep there playoff hopes alive. Kyle Orton has a big game tonight. Look for bears D to put ups some points too. This line should be around 7 1/2. The odds makers are giving us an early christmas gift with the bears -3 at home. Bears 27 Saints 17

danstyk

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 8:10 AM ET #77

Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

I'm going to wait till closer to game time in this one pending the weather but leaning on the under. Pierre Thomas came up big for the Saints running game last week I see the Saints using that to their advantage again in this one. Forte has been a beast all season for the Bears as well and should be utililized as well in this one.

I'm banking on both teams on utilizing their running game in bad weather so that's why I'm leaning on the under.

Good to see you back Big D, hope all is well. I am on the Bears tonight -3 for 2 units. I think they get it done at home. GL tonight.

Elvis1

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 8:14 AM ET #78

https://www.intellicast.com/Local/Hourly.aspx?location=USIL0225 I see alot of people are looking at the weather as a major factor in their play tonight, thought I would post a link so you could have accurate info if you want it.

Elvis1

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 8:21 AM ET #79

Here is a link if you could use a laugh today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5KiYp3dL1w&feature=related

putz56

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 9:03 AM ET #80

When you make the kind of money these guys you better be ready to play football,dont be fooled because the saints are a dome team.they will be ready to win this game because if they dont there OUT!! they will be up for what-ever the weather is.Final Score Saints 31--------Bears 20.Have a good day, Saints/over.

Elvis1

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 9:48 AM ET #81

12/30/07 in Chicago. NO 25 CHI 33 <line was Chi -1 total was 42>

<temp was 30> Brees went 35/60 320yds 3td's 2int

Orton went 12/27 190yds 2td's 1int

Saints had 28 1st downs, Bears had 13 1st downs Saints had the ball for 35:08 Bears 24:52 Brees had 2 fumbles Orton had 2 fumbles. When you look at the stats you would think that the Saints won the game but the final score was Bears 33 saints 25

1/21/07 in Chicago NO 14 CHI 39 <line was Chi-2.5 total was 42.5> Brees went 27/49 354 yds 2 td's 1 int Grossman 11/26 1 td 0 int Brees had 2 fumbles Saints had a total of 4 fumbles in this game. Saints had 15 1st downs Bears had 18 1st downs Saints held ball 24:45 Bears held ball 35:15 Final score Bears 39 NO 14

Most of the same players will be on the field tonight that played in these 2 games at Chicago. The key for the Saints is always Brees and in the past he was able to pass the ball well and pick up alot of yards in Chicago in the cold so that shouldn't hinder him tonight but he also fumbled the ball 2 times in each game. Orton was able to get a couple of tds their last meeting and he also fumbled the ball 2 times. I think the Saints will move the ball well tonight against the Bears but how many times will they convert is the question? I am going to take the home team as they have had success in the past against this team and I like having Hester on my side because he can score a td most anytime he touches the ball, I also like having Urlacher Briggs Harris and Tilman working to keep the Saints out of the end zone. Chicago -3 and lean to the over.

BreakaBookie

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 9:59 AM ET #82

I will be betting....

DA BEARS Moneyline....

3 is a little to much to give to Brees and Company.... but I am confident DA BEARS will take it at home....

leaning towards the OVER as well.... but with a slick ball you could see many dropped passes like the Giants-Eagles game.... so I'll be staying away from the total...

Saints draw play won't work against DA BEARS

dencol

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:01 AM ET #83

Quote Originally Posted by fax:

first this is a thursday game...so let's throw out everything we know about capping. road vs home record, weather,bears this...bears that...etc. if bears are lock why only 3 points? sounds like everyone and their grandmother will be taking the bears, except for insiders who know the saints play the NFC North really tough..no REALLY TOUGH lets look at a common opponent like the packers;

bears 3 packers 37
saints 51 packers 29

defence wins championships. this is not a championship game so saints are going to run up the scoreboard!

SAINTS 41 BEARS 19

gl

It is possible that this is the dumbest rational for handicapping I have ever seen...

dencol

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:02 AM ET #84

Quote Originally Posted by tcrotejr:

dencol, gonna have to find a new local after this!!!!!!!!!

Why is that junior??

dencol

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:03 AM ET #85

Quote Originally Posted by jeff-bob:

Weather will be a factor. The Bears are a cold weather team, but can you really put your bank roll on Kyle Orton?

Absolutely not.....but you dont have to as the AINTS have no one that will tackle FORTE

Roshan1952

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:08 AM ET #86

PICK: New Orleans Saints
Your pick will be graded at: 3 Belmont
EXPERT: Matt Fargo
TITLE: *9* #1 Thursday Play in 2008 11-1 Run
REASON FOR PICK: ***9* NFL Thursday Night GOY 11-1 RunPeople will be jumping on the home team here simply because of they cold weather factor. A dome team playing in December has no chance or at least that is the myth that is gong through the heads of the public. I beg to differ however. New Orleans has played in Chicago the last two seasons in January and December and despite losing both times, it actually outplayed the Bears in both games. With this game equally important for both sides, I see a similar effort from the Saints only this time it results in a win. Two years ago, the Saints traveled to Chicago for the NFC Championship and were taken out 39-14. New Orleans actually outgained the Bears 375-340 but was hurt by three fumbles and an interception. Last season, the Saints outgained Chicago 413-275 but came up short on the scoreboard by eight points as turnovers and special teams did New Orleans in yet again. Lack of production in the cold weather is obviously not an issue and the Bears defense is really having some problems. Chicago is allowing 234.2 ypg through the air this season which is 28th in the NFL and it has not helped matters that the secondary has been dinged up all season long. Cornerback Nathan Vasher is on the IR and his loss is the Saints gain. New Orleans is averaging 310.2 ypg passing which is the best in the NFL while its 8.14 ypa is good for 2nd best in the league. Not playing on the carpet matters none as the Saints are averaging 307 ypg on a grass field while Chicago is allowing a whopping 275.2 ypg passing at home. We all know the Saints defense has been having problems this season but they are allowing just over 20 more ypg than the Bears and are actually fewer total yards on the road than what the Bears are allowing at home. Chicago is averaging 308 ypg on offense which is close to 100 ypg fewer than what New Orleans is averaging. The overall offense for Chicago is 24th in the NFL and it has been outgained in six of its last eight games and is -17.4 ypg on the year and -50.2 ypg at home in yardage differential. It is no secret that the Bears will be running the ball to keep the New Orleans offense off the field but the Saints have been decent against the run, allowing 112.8 ypg on the year which is a respectable 20th. Chicago has no passing game of late as it is averaging a mere 156 ypg over the last three games. The weather is going to be cold as expected but nothing out of the ordinary for December. There is no snow in the forecast while winds will be down to about 10-11 mph so there should be no effect on the Saints offense. 9* New Orleans Saints**

MERRY XMAS TO YOU ALL.

PICK: New Orleans Saints
Your pick will be graded at: 3 Belmont
EXPERT: Matt Fargo
TITLE: *9* #1 Thursday Play in 2008 11-1 Run
REASON FOR PICK: ***9* NFL Thursday Night GOY 11-1 RunPeople will be jumping on the home team here simply because of they cold weather factor. A dome team playing in December has no chance or at least that is the myth that is gong through the heads of the public. I beg to differ however. New Orleans has played in Chicago the last two seasons in January and December and despite losing both times, it actually outplayed the Bears in both games. With this game equally important for both sides, I see a similar effort from the Saints only this time it results in a win. Two years ago, the Saints traveled to Chicago for the NFC Championship and were taken out 39-14. New Orleans actually outgained the Bears 375-340 but was hurt by three fumbles and an interception. Last season, the Saints outgained Chicago 413-275 but came up short on the scoreboard by eight points as turnovers and special teams did New Orleans in yet again. Lack of production in the cold weather is obviously not an issue and the Bears defense is really having some problems. Chicago is allowing 234.2 ypg through the air this season which is 28th in the NFL and it has not helped matters that the secondary has been dinged up all season long. Cornerback Nathan Vasher is on the IR and his loss is the Saints gain. New Orleans is averaging 310.2 ypg passing which is the best in the NFL while its 8.14 ypa is good for 2nd best in the league. Not playing on the carpet matters none as the Saints are averaging 307 ypg on a grass field while Chicago is allowing a whopping 275.2 ypg passing at home. We all know the Saints defense has been having problems this season but they are allowing just over 20 more ypg than the Bears and are actually fewer total yards on the road than what the Bears are allowing at home. Chicago is averaging 308 ypg on offense which is close to 100 ypg fewer than what New Orleans is averaging. The overall offense for Chicago is 24th in the NFL and it has been outgained in six of its last eight games and is -17.4 ypg on the year and -50.2 ypg at home in yardage differential. It is no secret that the Bears will be running the ball to keep the New Orleans offense off the field but the Saints have been decent against the run, allowing 112.8 ypg on the year which is a respectable 20th. Chicago has no passing game of late as it is averaging a mere 156 ypg over the last three games. The weather is going to be cold as expected but nothing out of the ordinary for December. There is no snow in the forecast while winds will be down to about 10-11 mph so there should be no effect on the Saints offense. 9* New Orleans Saints**

MERRY XMAS TO YOU ALL.

krazyazian

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:33 AM ET #87

its true that the weather in chi-town is going to be cold, but in all honesty the saints are a well rounded better team. everybody is on chi cuz they had a good game agaisnt who? the jags?? lol. if i ride with a team its the sanits or if my mind gets cloudy i'll play the over......

"kyle orton sux ballz!!!"

prostuntman

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 10:38 AM ET #88

Quote Originally Posted by Roshan1952:

PICK: New Orleans Saints
Your pick will be graded at: 3 Belmont
EXPERT: Matt Fargo
TITLE: *9* #1 Thursday Play in 2008 11-1 Run
REASON FOR PICK: ***9* NFL Thursday Night GOY 11-1 RunPeople will be jumping on the home team here simply because of they cold weather factor. A dome team playing in December has no chance or at least that is the myth that is gong through the heads of the public. I beg to differ however. New Orleans has played in Chicago the last two seasons in January and December and despite losing both times, it actually outplayed the Bears in both games. With this game equally important for both sides, I see a similar effort from the Saints only this time it results in a win. Two years ago, the Saints traveled to Chicago for the NFC Championship and were taken out 39-14. New Orleans actually outgained the Bears 375-340 but was hurt by three fumbles and an interception. Last season, the Saints outgained Chicago 413-275 but came up short on the scoreboard by eight points as turnovers and special teams did New Orleans in yet again. Lack of production in the cold weather is obviously not an issue and the Bears defense is really having some problems. Chicago is allowing 234.2 ypg through the air this season which is 28th in the NFL and it has not helped matters that the secondary has been dinged up all season long. Cornerback Nathan Vasher is on the IR and his loss is the Saints gain. New Orleans is averaging 310.2 ypg passing which is the best in the NFL while its 8.14 ypa is good for 2nd best in the league. Not playing on the carpet matters none as the Saints are averaging 307 ypg on a grass field while Chicago is allowing a whopping 275.2 ypg passing at home. We all know the Saints defense has been having problems this season but they are allowing just over 20 more ypg than the Bears and are actually fewer total yards on the road than what the Bears are allowing at home. Chicago is averaging 308 ypg on offense which is close to 100 ypg fewer than what New Orleans is averaging. The overall offense for Chicago is 24th in the NFL and it has been outgained in six of its last eight games and is -17.4 ypg on the year and -50.2 ypg at home in yardage differential. It is no secret that the Bears will be running the ball to keep the New Orleans offense off the field but the Saints have been decent against the run, allowing 112.8 ypg on the year which is a respectable 20th. Chicago has no passing game of late as it is averaging a mere 156 ypg over the last three games. The weather is going to be cold as expected but nothing out of the ordinary for December. There is no snow in the forecast while winds will be down to about 10-11 mph so there should be no effect on the Saints offense. 9* New Orleans Saints**

MERRY XMAS TO YOU ALL.

this means absolutely nothing to me. did you actually pay to read this? unsure of who i'm taking, but because of the covers "expert" has the saints, i'm leaning bears at the moment.

Quote Originally Posted by Roshan1952:

PICK: New Orleans Saints
Your pick will be graded at: 3 Belmont
EXPERT: Matt Fargo
TITLE: *9* #1 Thursday Play in 2008 11-1 Run
REASON FOR PICK: ***9* NFL Thursday Night GOY 11-1 RunPeople will be jumping on the home team here simply because of they cold weather factor. A dome team playing in December has no chance or at least that is the myth that is gong through the heads of the public. I beg to differ however. New Orleans has played in Chicago the last two seasons in January and December and despite losing both times, it actually outplayed the Bears in both games. With this game equally important for both sides, I see a similar effort from the Saints only this time it results in a win. Two years ago, the Saints traveled to Chicago for the NFC Championship and were taken out 39-14. New Orleans actually outgained the Bears 375-340 but was hurt by three fumbles and an interception. Last season, the Saints outgained Chicago 413-275 but came up short on the scoreboard by eight points as turnovers and special teams did New Orleans in yet again. Lack of production in the cold weather is obviously not an issue and the Bears defense is really having some problems. Chicago is allowing 234.2 ypg through the air this season which is 28th in the NFL and it has not helped matters that the secondary has been dinged up all season long. Cornerback Nathan Vasher is on the IR and his loss is the Saints gain. New Orleans is averaging 310.2 ypg passing which is the best in the NFL while its 8.14 ypa is good for 2nd best in the league. Not playing on the carpet matters none as the Saints are averaging 307 ypg on a grass field while Chicago is allowing a whopping 275.2 ypg passing at home. We all know the Saints defense has been having problems this season but they are allowing just over 20 more ypg than the Bears and are actually fewer total yards on the road than what the Bears are allowing at home. Chicago is averaging 308 ypg on offense which is close to 100 ypg fewer than what New Orleans is averaging. The overall offense for Chicago is 24th in the NFL and it has been outgained in six of its last eight games and is -17.4 ypg on the year and -50.2 ypg at home in yardage differential. It is no secret that the Bears will be running the ball to keep the New Orleans offense off the field but the Saints have been decent against the run, allowing 112.8 ypg on the year which is a respectable 20th. Chicago has no passing game of late as it is averaging a mere 156 ypg over the last three games. The weather is going to be cold as expected but nothing out of the ordinary for December. There is no snow in the forecast while winds will be down to about 10-11 mph so there should be no effect on the Saints offense. 9* New Orleans Saints**

MERRY XMAS TO YOU ALL.

this means absolutely nothing to me. did you actually pay to read this? unsure of who i'm taking, but because of the covers "expert" has the saints, i'm leaning bears at the moment.

goinggone

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:03 AM ET #89

Simple, can Bears stop Brees?

Answer: No

NO +3

tcrotejr

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:10 AM ET #90

dencol, already hammered my local for a bunch in bball,going LARGE tonight. he might not like me anymore!

fax

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:23 AM ET #91

HONEST TRUTH TIME

MYTH #1 - bears have a huge home field advantage.

Reality - bears only 3-3 ATS at home, including wins against detroit and jacksonville. wow that's home domination.

MYTH #2 - chicago's cold weather will beat the saints.

Reality - by game time it will be 28 degrees with 6 mph winds and no precipitation, that's barely cold enough to freeze an ice cube. brrrrrrrr hahaha!

bigdaddyhpd

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:29 AM ET #92

Quote Originally Posted by danstyk:

Good to see you back Big D, hope all is well. I am on the Bears tonight -3 for 2 units. I think they get it done at home. GL tonight.

Good to be back bro.

I'm still waiting for the weather on this one. I'm more concerned about the the wind more than the cold. I remember around this time of the year there are really bad swirling winds in that stadium that caused a lot of missed easy field goals and passes that were way off their target to revert teams to a more conservative game.

Good luck today my friend

gotcash

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:29 AM ET #93

brees- bush-saints+3 lets get some

dencol

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:41 AM ET #94

Quote Originally Posted by fax:

HONEST TRUTH TIME

Once again I hate to dispute your facts,,,but I am pretty sure Soldier field has a significant home field edge and the Saints do not travel well....They do not appear to be a good cold weather team and in fact are not in the playoff hunt. I do see a lot of alligator arms on those Brees passes.....Oh its too cold....
I am not in love with the BEARS that much as they have an over rated D. But they should have ball control tonight with Forte and keep those SAINTS recievers on the bench near the heater most of the night..

GL

UNDER GAME
UNDER 1/2
BEARS -3

slyspy700

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 12:13 PM ET #95

Ya gotta love the Bears of recent past games. They are buzzing and have all to play for in winning the Division. Big Advantage at home and I can see the Saints shot down and buried at Soldier Field.

Saints are poor on the road and Brees does not ever get fucked by anyone for the intercepts he gives. All ppl go on is his passes. Well if he was a gambler, he would be a 55-45 prospect anyway. Saints always do it tough and enjoy a shootout (like vs Packers and Chargers - 2 very average teams).

Bears wont give them a shootout - it will be about percentages and Bears will play this game better and will be looking to pick Brees and his hail marys off.

I'm betting Bears MONEY LINE: 3 Units
And Bears own Saints so the SCORE UNDER 45: half unit

faron1919

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 12:25 PM ET #96

i cant trust the bears,theyre too wishywashy,at least we all know brees will be throwing........my local line is bears-2.5 but if saints win by a field goal im fucked,i think im gonna lay off and get the easy college basketball money

dencol

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 12:31 PM ET #97

Quote Originally Posted by faron1919:

Faron ...give me some easy college bb money ...I am o fer the last 2 days..

Indynewbie

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Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 12:37 PM ET #98

Do you people forget that Brees played for four years at Purdue? Tell me he doesn't know how to throw in cold weather because he now plays in New Orleans. Give me a break! It isn't that cold. You guys act like it will be in the single digits!