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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 3:35 AM ET #51

    Denver +3.5
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    Denver +3.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 3:54 AM ET #52

    Pat win this one by 10.  Brady has a break out game.
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    Pat win this one by 10.  Brady has a break out game.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 4:52 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by ewillie169:

    DEN will win, nobody takes them seriously, the public is pounding the PATs; Denver's head coach was the offensive Coord. for NE, Denver has the momentum, Vegas would love more bets on the PAts, while NE may be the better team i like the Broncos in this spot.


    sooo you're saying the Pats are the more talented team, and we all know that no team in the league prepares like Belichik and the Pats especially against McDaniels and the Broncos, so what kind of drugs are you smoking to say you like the Broncos in this spot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewillie169:

    DEN will win, nobody takes them seriously, the public is pounding the PATs; Denver's head coach was the offensive Coord. for NE, Denver has the momentum, Vegas would love more bets on the PAts, while NE may be the better team i like the Broncos in this spot.


    sooo you're saying the Pats are the more talented team, and we all know that no team in the league prepares like Belichik and the Pats especially against McDaniels and the Broncos, so what kind of drugs are you smoking to say you like the Broncos in this spot?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 10:44 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyserSoze23:

    .... NE D has been nothing short of impressive and the O is starting to click.


    Can I ask where you guys get your offense and defense rankings?  I usually look at CBSSports.com but the data I'm looking at, maybe I'm interpreting incorrectly? 

    There, I'm reading it to show the Pats as ranked 29th against the Pass, 28th against the Rush and 29th Total.  Is this incorrect?

    If that info is correct, that actually would be quite a bit short of impressive, don'tcha think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyserSoze23:

    .... NE D has been nothing short of impressive and the O is starting to click.


    Can I ask where you guys get your offense and defense rankings?  I usually look at CBSSports.com but the data I'm looking at, maybe I'm interpreting incorrectly? 

    There, I'm reading it to show the Pats as ranked 29th against the Pass, 28th against the Rush and 29th Total.  Is this incorrect?

    If that info is correct, that actually would be quite a bit short of impressive, don'tcha think?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 11:31 AM ET #55

    well i grabbed new england when it was -3... the line moved up cause vegas knows whatsuppp, they know brady is capable of taring apart denver 
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    well i grabbed new england when it was -3... the line moved up cause vegas knows whatsuppp, they know brady is capable of taring apart denver 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 11:32 AM ET #56

    oh and guys zoro picked washington against caroline and he picked st louis against the viks and picked denver against the pats looooooooool this guy wants to burn his money
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    oh and guys zoro picked washington against caroline and he picked st louis against the viks and picked denver against the pats looooooooool this guy wants to burn his money
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 11:33 AM ET #57

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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 1:45 PM ET #58

    At first I was thinking NE, then I realized Denver has played 2 good teams and 2 bad teams. Dallas isnt as bad as everyone makes them out to be and Cinci is returning to old form again but Denver would have lost at least one game by now if they were so bad.
     
    This game will definetely be won by coaching, and while many people believe that Belichick is the better coach, they are right. However, in this particular game Josh McDaniels knows all of the Pats offensive problems and he will look to exploit them with his unpenetrable defense. He also knows exactly what the offense likes to do and knows exactly what players are capable of what.
     
    The Pats have had problems against bad Denver teams from before, going 2-5 ATS the last 7 meetings. If they couldnt cover against those teams they will definetely have a lot of trouble with this much improved Broncos team.
     
    17-10 Broncos, Im playing Denver and the Under
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    At first I was thinking NE, then I realized Denver has played 2 good teams and 2 bad teams. Dallas isnt as bad as everyone makes them out to be and Cinci is returning to old form again but Denver would have lost at least one game by now if they were so bad.
     
    This game will definetely be won by coaching, and while many people believe that Belichick is the better coach, they are right. However, in this particular game Josh McDaniels knows all of the Pats offensive problems and he will look to exploit them with his unpenetrable defense. He also knows exactly what the offense likes to do and knows exactly what players are capable of what.
     
    The Pats have had problems against bad Denver teams from before, going 2-5 ATS the last 7 meetings. If they couldnt cover against those teams they will definetely have a lot of trouble with this much improved Broncos team.
     
    17-10 Broncos, Im playing Denver and the Under
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 2:27 PM ET #59

    detroit 6.. from your name we know that you like to lose lol new england will not lose another game at least tell they know they are in the playoffs
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    detroit 6.. from your name we know that you like to lose lol new england will not lose another game at least tell they know they are in the playoffs
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 5:17 PM ET #60

    I posted this last season before the superbowl.
     
     wish I knew the actual trend but here are some examples. 
    Shannahan over the Raiders.
    Zorn beating the Seahawks this year. 
    Camoron beating the Dolphins twice this year.
    Al Saunders beat the Redskins this year.
    Scot Linehan beat the Dolphins last year.
    Nolan lost to the Ravens but covered.
    Martz beat the Lions and the Rams twice this year.
    *Whisenhunt and Grim covering in the SB against Pit.
     
    Im tired of looking them up.  No trends are guarentees but this is a pretty good one.
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    I posted this last season before the superbowl.
     
     wish I knew the actual trend but here are some examples. 
    Shannahan over the Raiders.
    Zorn beating the Seahawks this year. 
    Camoron beating the Dolphins twice this year.
    Al Saunders beat the Redskins this year.
    Scot Linehan beat the Dolphins last year.
    Nolan lost to the Ravens but covered.
    Martz beat the Lions and the Rams twice this year.
    *Whisenhunt and Grim covering in the SB against Pit.
     
    Im tired of looking them up.  No trends are guarentees but this is a pretty good one.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 8:10 PM ET #61

    whats a pretty good one?!? jerrywrasse, you mean denver over new england or new england over denver??
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    whats a pretty good one?!? jerrywrasse, you mean denver over new england or new england over denver??
     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2009 - 8:16 PM ET #62

    NEW ENGLAND    27
    DENVER                  19

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    NEW ENGLAND    27
    DENVER                  19

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 12:57 AM ET #63

    not too much under love here huh?
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    not too much under love here huh?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 1:20 AM ET #64

    as i recall the last time these teams met it was in denver and brady was out for the season... guess what the score was 42-7 for new england lol this pick is too easy the champs are back.. so what if denver are not beaten.. they should have never made it with cinci. they got the luckiest touchdown in the world and cinci did not have time to recover
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    as i recall the last time these teams met it was in denver and brady was out for the season... guess what the score was 42-7 for new england lol this pick is too easy the champs are back.. so what if denver are not beaten.. they should have never made it with cinci. they got the luckiest touchdown in the world and cinci did not have time to recover
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 1:51 AM ET #65

    Is it snowing in Denver? Is the Game played outdoors?

    Please advise

    I am considering Under 41 and The Broncs on the ML
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    Is it snowing in Denver? Is the Game played outdoors?

    Please advise

    I am considering Under 41 and The Broncs on the ML
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 2:20 AM ET #66

    it is snowing.
     
     
    2 for sure games this week
    colts and pats.  take whatever the line is.  should be colts -4 pats -4
     
    oh yeah pats can play in snow too
     
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    it is snowing.
     
     
    2 for sure games this week
    colts and pats.  take whatever the line is.  should be colts -4 pats -4
     
    oh yeah pats can play in snow too
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 2:32 AM ET #67

    OK Thanks. I may lean on an Unders game. Denver D aint too bad and they smacked and sacked Romo like 5 times last week.

    Brady also been getting squashed - does this guy really think he has 15 seconds to throw the ball? LoL
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    OK Thanks. I may lean on an Unders game. Denver D aint too bad and they smacked and sacked Romo like 5 times last week.

    Brady also been getting squashed - does this guy really think he has 15 seconds to throw the ball? LoL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 3:01 AM ET #68

    I am all over NE here. Denver should not have beat the Cowboys or the Bengals. Dallas didn't exploit the middle of Denvers defense once last week this is a big advantage for Welker. Champ can cover but Moss is a different animal than Hurd from Dallas... I'll take the Pats, Good Luck
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    I am all over NE here. Denver should not have beat the Cowboys or the Bengals. Dallas didn't exploit the middle of Denvers defense once last week this is a big advantage for Welker. Champ can cover but Moss is a different animal than Hurd from Dallas... I'll take the Pats, Good Luck
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 3:20 AM ET #69

    Well I guess this is the game of the day, 3 pages of thread on this bad boy and looks like its me against the world -- CRUSH  +3 & UNDER 41  
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    Well I guess this is the game of the day, 3 pages of thread on this bad boy and looks like its me against the world -- CRUSH  +3 & UNDER 41  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 3:42 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by dude1618:

    not too much under love here huh?


    I am feeling under.  Both coaches know the others play book in a sense, so the Ds on both sides should be able to hold the other offense in check. Denver has a pretty decent pass D so NE isn't going to start throwing unless their run game is shut down or they are behind by a TD or more (unlikely).  NE LBs don't look all that great so Moreno should be able to gain some yards to eat clock.  Den isn't going to try to win this game with Ortons arm unless they have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude1618:

    not too much under love here huh?


    I am feeling under.  Both coaches know the others play book in a sense, so the Ds on both sides should be able to hold the other offense in check. Denver has a pretty decent pass D so NE isn't going to start throwing unless their run game is shut down or they are behind by a TD or more (unlikely).  NE LBs don't look all that great so Moreno should be able to gain some yards to eat clock.  Den isn't going to try to win this game with Ortons arm unless they have to.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 4:12 AM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by king1234:

    it is snowing.
     
     
    2 for sure games this week
    colts and pats.  take whatever the line is.  should be colts -4 pats -4
     
    oh yeah pats can play in snow too
     

    ok, lets not try to give out false information. it was snowing friday night but stop saturday morning and will stay cold but no snow throughout sunday mostlike. i know b/c i lived here. lets be honest, no one expect denver to be undefeated til now. its funny that every week i hear people say that denver is going to lose, they beaten no body, they are a fake, etc. after they win the game, people bashed how bad their opponent played but not how good the denver is as a team. all in all, denver exceeded my expectation this year but i think N.E will be too much for them. NE -3 would be my pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king1234:

    it is snowing.
     
     
    2 for sure games this week
    colts and pats.  take whatever the line is.  should be colts -4 pats -4
     
    oh yeah pats can play in snow too
     

    ok, lets not try to give out false information. it was snowing friday night but stop saturday morning and will stay cold but no snow throughout sunday mostlike. i know b/c i lived here. lets be honest, no one expect denver to be undefeated til now. its funny that every week i hear people say that denver is going to lose, they beaten no body, they are a fake, etc. after they win the game, people bashed how bad their opponent played but not how good the denver is as a team. all in all, denver exceeded my expectation this year but i think N.E will be too much for them. NE -3 would be my pick.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 5:10 AM ET #72

    Other than Dallas the Broncos haven't really played any good teams, the Pats will win and cover,something like Pats 27 Den 20
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    Other than Dallas the Broncos haven't really played any good teams, the Pats will win and cover,something like Pats 27 Den 20
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 6:15 AM ET #73

    BIG PLAY FACTOR should prove to be difference in this one.
    Brady has it ,Orton does'nt ...Simple as that.
    Fact is,Denver has'nt faced a big play qualiber QB this year.
    Romo ,like past games,gave it away on a silver platter.
    However if Denver's D can copy Giants SB blueprint,
    turning Brady into a rag doll,which Denver should be capable of doing,this game should go down the wire in dramatic fashion. 
     

    PATRIOTS 16  BRONCOS 12


                                             
                                       BOLA

     NFL ( Spread-Totals) : 7 - 9 

     MLB ( ML-Totals) : 7 - 1





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    BIG PLAY FACTOR should prove to be difference in this one.
    Brady has it ,Orton does'nt ...Simple as that.
    Fact is,Denver has'nt faced a big play qualiber QB this year.
    Romo ,like past games,gave it away on a silver platter.
    However if Denver's D can copy Giants SB blueprint,
    turning Brady into a rag doll,which Denver should be capable of doing,this game should go down the wire in dramatic fashion. 
     

    PATRIOTS 16  BRONCOS 12


                                             
                                       BOLA

     NFL ( Spread-Totals) : 7 - 9 

     MLB ( ML-Totals) : 7 - 1





     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2009 - 6:45 AM ET #74

    Towing the same line Mon-E, however see more points on the board...Rag dolls are searching for their prickly bunny..However one must not forget the debacle caused by their now  new-model player Marsh-all and nor must one forgett the many muppets that carrier pigeoned those thoughts across to us all.. good times are for JJ...Let`s see how fragile these scenarios can be.....BOL Hermano....
    PATS-3

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    Towing the same line Mon-E, however see more points on the board...Rag dolls are searching for their prickly bunny..However one must not forget the debacle caused by their now  new-model player Marsh-all and nor must one forgett the many muppets that carrier pigeoned those thoughts across to us all.. good times are for JJ...Let`s see how fragile these scenarios can be.....BOL Hermano....
    PATS-3

     
     
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    New England Patriots @ Denver Broncos

    Is no news that for me QB Tom Brady will be one day in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as one of the best Quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. He his improving is game week after week and therefore, I expect him to play better than in his last game against the Ravens. New England (3-1) has one of the best offenses in the league, playing much better than expect in this season start and with the return of WR Wes Welker,  Brady will have again more quality options to pass the ball. If in the early season, the biggest issue with these Patriots was their defense and how they would behave against their opponents' offenses, now we can say that is thanks to their D that the Pats have already 3 wins under their belt. It is a young defensive unit, and they are improving their game week after week.

    Denver (4-0) hasn't lost a game yet on this season and the reason for that is their great defense. The Broncos D is playing very well, causing a lot of pressure on the opponents' quarterbacks and they are getting a lot of sacks too, 15 already. Their QB Kyle Orton has been doing a nice season so far, but frankly I think he still has a long road ahead to become a good quarterback. Orton has 5 TD and 0 INTS, but he can be very thankful to his great quality WRs, which are doing excellent catches despite the bad throws delivered by Orton, with several low balls like I saw in his last game against the Dallas Cowboys. If it weren't his WRs getting all those balls with outstanding catches and we would see incomplete after incomplete passes.

    New England is playing much better now, specially on the Offense and with the return of Wes Welker, the Patriots will have a broad range of tools to keep the Broncos D busy, and when Brady has that kind of options at his disposal, he plays much better, and this is for me the main factor for a fourth winner of the Pats this season, the first for the small favorite on the road, delivering the Broncos their first loss, and consequently both teams will finish the Week 5 with a 4-1 record. Take the Patriots to win by 1 or more touchdowns.


    Pick : New England Patriots -3 -110/1,91 5Dimes
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    New England Patriots @ Denver Broncos

    Is no news that for me QB Tom Brady will be one day in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as one of the best Quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. He his improving is game week after week and therefore, I expect him to play better than in his last game against the Ravens. New England (3-1) has one of the best offenses in the league, playing much better than expect in this season start and with the return of WR Wes Welker,  Brady will have again more quality options to pass the ball. If in the early season, the biggest issue with these Patriots was their defense and how they would behave against their opponents' offenses, now we can say that is thanks to their D that the Pats have already 3 wins under their belt. It is a young defensive unit, and they are improving their game week after week.

    Denver (4-0) hasn't lost a game yet on this season and the reason for that is their great defense. The Broncos D is playing very well, causing a lot of pressure on the opponents' quarterbacks and they are getting a lot of sacks too, 15 already. Their QB Kyle Orton has been doing a nice season so far, but frankly I think he still has a long road ahead to become a good quarterback. Orton has 5 TD and 0 INTS, but he can be very thankful to his great quality WRs, which are doing excellent catches despite the bad throws delivered by Orton, with several low balls like I saw in his last game against the Dallas Cowboys. If it weren't his WRs getting all those balls with outstanding catches and we would see incomplete after incomplete passes.

    New England is playing much better now, specially on the Offense and with the return of Wes Welker, the Patriots will have a broad range of tools to keep the Broncos D busy, and when Brady has that kind of options at his disposal, he plays much better, and this is for me the main factor for a fourth winner of the Pats this season, the first for the small favorite on the road, delivering the Broncos their first loss, and consequently both teams will finish the Week 5 with a 4-1 record. Take the Patriots to win by 1 or more touchdowns.


    Pick : New England Patriots -3 -110/1,91 5Dimes
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