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    Denver at New England (10/20/2008)

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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:16 PM ET #126

    Change of play for me on this. I forgot New England almost never lose two games in a row and Denver is traveling from the westcoast to play which equals a New England cover for me I am wagering big on New England tonight. GL to all on the game.  
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    Change of play for me on this. I forgot New England almost never lose two games in a row and Denver is traveling from the westcoast to play which equals a New England cover for me I am wagering big on New England tonight. GL to all on the game.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:20 PM ET #127

    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.
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    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:26 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by Coverpicker:

    Change of play for me on this. I forgot New England almost never lose two games in a row and Denver is traveling from the westcoast to play which equals a New England cover for me I am wagering big on New England tonight. GL to all on the game.  


    wow...that is some solid logic...even moreso it warrants a BIG wager
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coverpicker:

    Change of play for me on this. I forgot New England almost never lose two games in a row and Denver is traveling from the westcoast to play which equals a New England cover for me I am wagering big on New England tonight. GL to all on the game.  


    wow...that is some solid logic...even moreso it warrants a BIG wager
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:26 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-bob:

    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.


    FYI Denver is not at home my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-bob:

    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.


    FYI Denver is not at home my friend.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:28 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-bob:

    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.

    haha theres a winner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-bob:

    Denver +3.  Gotta take the home dawg on Nat'l TV.

    haha theres a winner!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:38 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by Big-vegas:

    • Belecheck is 2-9 vs Denver in his Career
    • New England is 2-9 ATS in their last 11 games

    Neother defense is playing very well but Denver definately has the better offense. I'm taking Denver and the points.

    Denver +3 

     

    It's funny how no one even made these points yet and there have been like 40 posts in this forum.......

     

    I'm still on DENVER and the OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big-vegas:

    • Belecheck is 2-9 vs Denver in his Career
    • New England is 2-9 ATS in their last 11 games

    Neother defense is playing very well but Denver definately has the better offense. I'm taking Denver and the points.

    Denver +3 

     

    It's funny how no one even made these points yet and there have been like 40 posts in this forum.......

     

    I'm still on DENVER and the OVER

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 4:38 PM ET #132

    broncos plus 7
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    broncos plus 7
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:08 PM ET #133

    im betting the under just dont see it going over 48.5 ...pats are going to keep the clock runnung because they dont want denver offence on field  .. i scared to bet either team it could go either way so under ..but i think its a coin flip .. scary bet
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    im betting the under just dont see it going over 48.5 ...pats are going to keep the clock runnung because they dont want denver offence on field  .. i scared to bet either team it could go either way so under ..but i think its a coin flip .. scary bet
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:10 PM ET #134

    also denver going to run the ball thats where they are stong so clock tit tit tit tit betting the under
     
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    also denver going to run the ball thats where they are stong so clock tit tit tit tit betting the under
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:23 PM ET #135

    besides the niners, the pats have not put up decent offensive numbers.  i know denvers defense is horrible, but i think the mnf over streak will come to an end tonight.
     
    under 48.5
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    besides the niners, the pats have not put up decent offensive numbers.  i know denvers defense is horrible, but i think the mnf over streak will come to an end tonight.
     
    under 48.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:29 PM ET #136

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Efelson76]

    Good analysis although I don't agree w/your side.  I do think you're on the $$ w/the UNDER. Once again, for all the over riders - where are all these points from the Pats coming from??? They've played worse teams than Denver (which has yet to gel on D but has talent) and haven't been able to score!!! Is Cassell suddenly going to morph into a great decision maker who makes tonight the 1st in which he doesn't turn the ball over? Is this suddenly the game where all the 2nd rate and injured backs for NE start ripping off chunks of yardage? Are the backers and 2ndary players suddenly going to find the fountain of youth? These are very valid points which not only apply to the O/U (but are most prevalent) but the side as well. 

    Just ask yourself these questions: What has New England done THIS YEAR to indicate anything different from what we have seen through the 1st 5 weeks?  What is going to happen to change the Pats fortunes 180 degrees? Is Vegas setting a trap or just setting a line which suckers those last stragglers who still think this is the NE dynasty of years past into taking the home team at a short price? 

    Receivers are only as good as their trigger man - see the Bengals or the Cardinals under Matt Leinart!! Last time I checked, Shanahan is a helluva coach so don't think he won't have a gameplan formulated to expose the multiple weaknesses by the Pats.

    So....... Denver +3, Denver ML, Under 48.5  GLTA   

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    I saw a lot of the same things about the Browns last week. "Where will the points from the Browns come from?" "Final score Giants 30 Browns 3." "We haven't seen any offense from the Browns this year, why would things change now?".

    I've got news for you, a very proud New England team, removed from a great season and a superbowl will come out fired up tonight backed by their home crowd. The fact the road dogs are a public favorite make me want to bet New England even more.

    New England still has plenty of weapons and not to mention the best game-planning coach in the NFL. The Broncos have a horrible defense and a great offense and the Pats weakness in pass D plays greatly to the Bronco's strength. However, Scheffler might not play, and Royal is not 100%.

    I see no reason why this total will not go over, and the line movement plus the public money favoring the under make the over the best bet on the board.

    OVER 48 big

    Debating a 2 unit parlay with the over and New England, maybe just a small New England play straight up.

    The Broncos are probably the most overrated team in the NFL right now and it will show, and by the way, I am in no way a Pats fan.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Efelson76]

    Good analysis although I don't agree w/your side.  I do think you're on the $$ w/the UNDER. Once again, for all the over riders - where are all these points from the Pats coming from??? They've played worse teams than Denver (which has yet to gel on D but has talent) and haven't been able to score!!! Is Cassell suddenly going to morph into a great decision maker who makes tonight the 1st in which he doesn't turn the ball over? Is this suddenly the game where all the 2nd rate and injured backs for NE start ripping off chunks of yardage? Are the backers and 2ndary players suddenly going to find the fountain of youth? These are very valid points which not only apply to the O/U (but are most prevalent) but the side as well. 

    Just ask yourself these questions: What has New England done THIS YEAR to indicate anything different from what we have seen through the 1st 5 weeks?  What is going to happen to change the Pats fortunes 180 degrees? Is Vegas setting a trap or just setting a line which suckers those last stragglers who still think this is the NE dynasty of years past into taking the home team at a short price? 

    Receivers are only as good as their trigger man - see the Bengals or the Cardinals under Matt Leinart!! Last time I checked, Shanahan is a helluva coach so don't think he won't have a gameplan formulated to expose the multiple weaknesses by the Pats.

    So....... Denver +3, Denver ML, Under 48.5  GLTA   

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    I saw a lot of the same things about the Browns last week. "Where will the points from the Browns come from?" "Final score Giants 30 Browns 3." "We haven't seen any offense from the Browns this year, why would things change now?".

    I've got news for you, a very proud New England team, removed from a great season and a superbowl will come out fired up tonight backed by their home crowd. The fact the road dogs are a public favorite make me want to bet New England even more.

    New England still has plenty of weapons and not to mention the best game-planning coach in the NFL. The Broncos have a horrible defense and a great offense and the Pats weakness in pass D plays greatly to the Bronco's strength. However, Scheffler might not play, and Royal is not 100%.

    I see no reason why this total will not go over, and the line movement plus the public money favoring the under make the over the best bet on the board.

    OVER 48 big

    Debating a 2 unit parlay with the over and New England, maybe just a small New England play straight up.

    The Broncos are probably the most overrated team in the NFL right now and it will show, and by the way, I am in no way a Pats fan.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:33 PM ET #137

    Pats by 17
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    Pats by 17
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:37 PM ET #138

    Quote Originally Posted by DtotheP:

    Just my opinion but Cassel needs a little more than a bye week to fix his problems.
     

    Money FIX all the problems in Professional Sports..

    That's why they are professionals, they get paid to play "or not".

    NE -3

    OV 48

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    Quote Originally Posted by DtotheP:

    Just my opinion but Cassel needs a little more than a bye week to fix his problems.
     

    Money FIX all the problems in Professional Sports..

    That's why they are professionals, they get paid to play "or not".

    NE -3

    OV 48

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:48 PM ET #139

    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

    they havn't played yet..... but Cutler's style is very similiar to Jake the Snake's.... who has ripped up the PATS D in the past.... they both roll out of the pocket.....
     
    Mr. Shanahan seemed to think Cutler was better than Plummer last year....
     
    but it was the also the Denver running game that always had success against the pats


    You MUST be crazy.  Cutler is a pocket passer.  Plummer was a mobil QB.. Cutler has a rocket for an arm.  Plummer, not so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

    they havn't played yet..... but Cutler's style is very similiar to Jake the Snake's.... who has ripped up the PATS D in the past.... they both roll out of the pocket.....
     
    Mr. Shanahan seemed to think Cutler was better than Plummer last year....
     
    but it was the also the Denver running game that always had success against the pats


    You MUST be crazy.  Cutler is a pocket passer.  Plummer was a mobil QB.. Cutler has a rocket for an arm.  Plummer, not so much.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:50 PM ET #140

    ive never seen so much mis-informed information in my life..one guy said The spread is prob denver +3 due to the loss to KC last week..they actually lost last week against JAX.. The phrase
     " HOME DOGS"  shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread because Denver is not home. And I understand the logic of traveling but DENVER is NOT on the WEST COAST, its only about a 3 hour flight compared to a 6 hour flight (its the same travel time as when they flew into Oakland week 1 and handled them easily 41-14)...that said here is a brief analysis of the game
     
    Denver is averaging 27 points a game
    Patriots averaging 17
     
    Pats let up 38 points against the 10th ranked offense(in ypg) Miami in Foxboro
    Pats let up 21 points to SAN FRAN(23 ranked offense (YPG)
    Pats let up 30 points to San Diego( 15th ranked off in ypg)
    Denver is the 2nd ranked offense in the leauge ypg and 6th in scoring. Pats defense has not seen an offense as good as Denver all year..
     
    On the other hand Denver has only kept 2 teams under 24 points( oakland in week 1..and Tampa Bay in week 5)
     
    i would say over is a good bet but if you are able to  i would  bet on Denver team Total over 23
     
    also dont let the 21 points a game allowed on defense for the patriots to sway this decision. they let up 10 points the first 2 games of the season to the chiefs who have the 29th ranked offense and to the jets who in week 2 were still just getting to know their new QB Brett Farve...since those 2 games against horrible offenses they have allowed 29.7 points a game to less than mediocre offenses (with the exception of san diego)
     
    the play is DENVER team total over 23
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    ive never seen so much mis-informed information in my life..one guy said The spread is prob denver +3 due to the loss to KC last week..they actually lost last week against JAX.. The phrase
     " HOME DOGS"  shouldnt even be mentioned in this thread because Denver is not home. And I understand the logic of traveling but DENVER is NOT on the WEST COAST, its only about a 3 hour flight compared to a 6 hour flight (its the same travel time as when they flew into Oakland week 1 and handled them easily 41-14)...that said here is a brief analysis of the game
     
    Denver is averaging 27 points a game
    Patriots averaging 17
     
    Pats let up 38 points against the 10th ranked offense(in ypg) Miami in Foxboro
    Pats let up 21 points to SAN FRAN(23 ranked offense (YPG)
    Pats let up 30 points to San Diego( 15th ranked off in ypg)
    Denver is the 2nd ranked offense in the leauge ypg and 6th in scoring. Pats defense has not seen an offense as good as Denver all year..
     
    On the other hand Denver has only kept 2 teams under 24 points( oakland in week 1..and Tampa Bay in week 5)
     
    i would say over is a good bet but if you are able to  i would  bet on Denver team Total over 23
     
    also dont let the 21 points a game allowed on defense for the patriots to sway this decision. they let up 10 points the first 2 games of the season to the chiefs who have the 29th ranked offense and to the jets who in week 2 were still just getting to know their new QB Brett Farve...since those 2 games against horrible offenses they have allowed 29.7 points a game to less than mediocre offenses (with the exception of san diego)
     
    the play is DENVER team total over 23
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:52 PM ET #141

    Thanks i am going DEN ML/under...

    Holla
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    Thanks i am going DEN ML/under...

    Holla
     
    bowlinguy12
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:53 PM ET #142

    OK PEOPLE I WA UP BIG YESTERDAY AFTER THE EARLY GAMES  BUT THE 4 O'CLOCKS AND THE LATE GAME KILLED ME, SO NOW IM DOWN.

    I NEED A GOOD PICK TONIGHT AND I DONT HAVE A CLUE?!?!?
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    OK PEOPLE I WA UP BIG YESTERDAY AFTER THE EARLY GAMES  BUT THE 4 O'CLOCKS AND THE LATE GAME KILLED ME, SO NOW IM DOWN.

    I NEED A GOOD PICK TONIGHT AND I DONT HAVE A CLUE?!?!?
     
    wasabitobiko
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:54 PM ET #143

    Quote Originally Posted by mkan20:

    besides the niners, the pats have not put up decent offensive numbers.  i know denvers defense is horrible, but i think the mnf over streak will come to an end tonight.
     
    under 48.5


    S.F and Denver's defenses are almost identical

    Opp. Points/Game 28.0 28 25.7 25
    Opp. Total Yds/Game 339.4 23 393.0 30
    Takeaways 18 1 11 11
    Opp. Total 1st Downs 141 31 121 19
    Opp. 3rd Down Efficiency 40.6% 30 42.1% 18
    Opp. 4th Down Efficiency 71.4% 28 60.0% 20
    Opp. Total TDs 18 28 16 22
    Opp. Scoring Efficiency 44.4% 32 40.3% 25
    Opp. 3 and Out Drives 15 21 13 26
    Opp. Penalties 53 2 38 18
    Opp. Penalty Yds 445 2 327 11
    Avg Total Def. Rank 20.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkan20:

    besides the niners, the pats have not put up decent offensive numbers.  i know denvers defense is horrible, but i think the mnf over streak will come to an end tonight.
     
    under 48.5


    S.F and Denver's defenses are almost identical

    Opp. Points/Game 28.0 28 25.7 25
    Opp. Total Yds/Game 339.4 23 393.0 30
    Takeaways 18 1 11 11
    Opp. Total 1st Downs 141 31 121 19
    Opp. 3rd Down Efficiency 40.6% 30 42.1% 18
    Opp. 4th Down Efficiency 71.4% 28 60.0% 20
    Opp. Total TDs 18 28 16 22
    Opp. Scoring Efficiency 44.4% 32 40.3% 25
    Opp. 3 and Out Drives 15 21 13 26
    Opp. Penalties 53 2 38 18
    Opp. Penalty Yds 445 2 327 11
    Avg Total Def. Rank 20.5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:54 PM ET #144

    Well, if you stick around long enough you live to see it all, including this big fat trap set by the oddsmakers. Just read the board....ALL Denver, ha ha. Denver is 1-4-1 ATS away, this game is being played in New England last I looked.
     
    I'll take NE-3 all day long. Going to be a lot of money lost on this one tonight.............
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    Well, if you stick around long enough you live to see it all, including this big fat trap set by the oddsmakers. Just read the board....ALL Denver, ha ha. Denver is 1-4-1 ATS away, this game is being played in New England last I looked.
     
    I'll take NE-3 all day long. Going to be a lot of money lost on this one tonight.............
     
    Mickster21
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #145

    Taking the over  and  a small play on NE. GL to all  
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    Taking the over  and  a small play on NE. GL to all  
     
    king_of_diamond
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #146

    i liked denver all day (and the under), but i think i'm changing my pick to the pats.  the public is on denver pretty heavily, but yet the line is not budging.  vegas seems to be begging people to take the broncos and i've been burned too many times by that.  i'm going to roll with the pats -3.  i also like the under and think that 48.5 is too high.  possible teaser with denver +9 and under 54.5 and hope to hit them all.  GL
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    i liked denver all day (and the under), but i think i'm changing my pick to the pats.  the public is on denver pretty heavily, but yet the line is not budging.  vegas seems to be begging people to take the broncos and i've been burned too many times by that.  i'm going to roll with the pats -3.  i also like the under and think that 48.5 is too high.  possible teaser with denver +9 and under 54.5 and hope to hit them all.  GL
     
    wasabitobiko
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #147

    Well that got all fcuked up..

    Linky

    From Covers: NFL Defense Sorted By Yards Per Game

      Team Yards Rush Y/R Pass QB Sack 3rd% Poss. Pts.

    23 San Francisco 339.4 122.4 3.88 217.0 77.10 13 40.6 32:12 28.0

    30 Denver 394.7 137.5 5.06 257.2 104.58 10 42.1 31:07 25.7

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    Well that got all fcuked up..

    Linky

    From Covers: NFL Defense Sorted By Yards Per Game

      Team Yards Rush Y/R Pass QB Sack 3rd% Poss. Pts.

    23 San Francisco 339.4 122.4 3.88 217.0 77.10 13 40.6 32:12 28.0

    30 Denver 394.7 137.5 5.06 257.2 104.58 10 42.1 31:07 25.7

     
    bowlinguy12
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #148

    I REALLY NEED A PICK!!!??

    ANYONE???
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    I REALLY NEED A PICK!!!??

    ANYONE???
     
    wasabitobiko
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 6:01 PM ET #149

    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Well, if you stick around long enough you live to see it all, including this big fat trap set by the oddsmakers. Just read the board....ALL Denver, ha ha. Denver is 1-4-1 ATS away, this game is being played in New England last I looked.
     
    I'll take NE-3 all day long. Going to be a lot of money lost on this one tonight.............



    B I N G O
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlielo55:

    Well, if you stick around long enough you live to see it all, including this big fat trap set by the oddsmakers. Just read the board....ALL Denver, ha ha. Denver is 1-4-1 ATS away, this game is being played in New England last I looked.
     
    I'll take NE-3 all day long. Going to be a lot of money lost on this one tonight.............



    B I N G O
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2008 - 6:02 PM ET #150

    New England -3
    Under 49
     
     Good luck everyone
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    New England -3
    Under 49
     
     Good luck everyone
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