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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2014 - 10:18 AM ET #126

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I by and large like Ron Paul.  So, don't know where you got disrespect from.  I am simply saying there are various reasons for not getting involved, not saying all reasons are the same.  I am not even saying any are bad.  It is cool that you don't think we have obligation or desire to help, no problem with that either.

    Not clear what church and state have to do with this.

    As I asked WSC---you support no war/interventions except the 4?  Is that correct?  Or no?

     I honestly cannot admit at this point what Bush administration did was wrong.  Even if I didn't agree with it I cannot say that they did it with wrong information or wrong intentions.  Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun.

    Nothing wrong with being stubborn if you feel you are right---I see you for sure feel that way.

    On this one we can continue to disagree.  We can agree on Munn, Stossel, Paul and maybe Johnson.  Coming around on him. Don't wanna keep back and forth on this guys thread.  Will catch you in next one.  

    Yes, the other wars were wars of choice, not necessity. Military intervention is a LAST resort!

    Today, we live in a state of undeclared, endless war, power projection, by choice, disguised as necessity, in secret, to increase the license to act, to minimalize oversight and accountability, labeled war to engender fear and urgency, as well as, labeled something other than war for expediency and legal circumvention.

    You keep assuming that I’m saying the Bush administration went to war with evil intentions. That is not what I am saying. I’m saying the information the Bush administration used was fabricated to legally justify a war that the office of special plans believed was necessary for the future of the United States and the world.

    "Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun."

    The media dissected the Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq. The media exposed the Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo. The media exposed a secret Pentagon committee, (set up by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in October 2001), to win support for a war in Iraq. The media exposed a leaked cabinet office briefing paper that showed how Blair and Bush conspired the Iraq war and deliberated a defense strategy for a future inquiry on the Iraq war. The media exposed Bush’s 260 lies in lead up to Iraq war. The media exposed the list of people who were involved with the Office of Special Plans and uncovered the plans of the Office of Special Plans. The media exposed the Bush ties to the Baker Institute for Public Policy. The media exposed the Bush's ties to the Strategic Energy Policy Challenges For The 21st Century report. The media exposed the Project for the New American Century letter to Bush, Sept. 20, 2001 urging him to start a war against Saddam Hussein. The media exposed Saddam was switching from Dollars to Euros to weaken Washington. The media exposed the secret Bush cabinet meeting five months before September 11th declaring military intervention in Iraq is necessary to stabilize the oil market. I'm out of breath...

    What more can the media do? I think the media did a solid job getting the truth out to Americans. How many more smoking guns do you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I by and large like Ron Paul.  So, don't know where you got disrespect from.  I am simply saying there are various reasons for not getting involved, not saying all reasons are the same.  I am not even saying any are bad.  It is cool that you don't think we have obligation or desire to help, no problem with that either.

    Not clear what church and state have to do with this.

    As I asked WSC---you support no war/interventions except the 4?  Is that correct?  Or no?

     I honestly cannot admit at this point what Bush administration did was wrong.  Even if I didn't agree with it I cannot say that they did it with wrong information or wrong intentions.  Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun.

    Nothing wrong with being stubborn if you feel you are right---I see you for sure feel that way.

    On this one we can continue to disagree.  We can agree on Munn, Stossel, Paul and maybe Johnson.  Coming around on him. Don't wanna keep back and forth on this guys thread.  Will catch you in next one.  

    Yes, the other wars were wars of choice, not necessity. Military intervention is a LAST resort!

    Today, we live in a state of undeclared, endless war, power projection, by choice, disguised as necessity, in secret, to increase the license to act, to minimalize oversight and accountability, labeled war to engender fear and urgency, as well as, labeled something other than war for expediency and legal circumvention.

    You keep assuming that I’m saying the Bush administration went to war with evil intentions. That is not what I am saying. I’m saying the information the Bush administration used was fabricated to legally justify a war that the office of special plans believed was necessary for the future of the United States and the world.

    "Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun."

    The media dissected the Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq. The media exposed the Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo. The media exposed a secret Pentagon committee, (set up by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in October 2001), to win support for a war in Iraq. The media exposed a leaked cabinet office briefing paper that showed how Blair and Bush conspired the Iraq war and deliberated a defense strategy for a future inquiry on the Iraq war. The media exposed Bush’s 260 lies in lead up to Iraq war. The media exposed the list of people who were involved with the Office of Special Plans and uncovered the plans of the Office of Special Plans. The media exposed the Bush ties to the Baker Institute for Public Policy. The media exposed the Bush's ties to the Strategic Energy Policy Challenges For The 21st Century report. The media exposed the Project for the New American Century letter to Bush, Sept. 20, 2001 urging him to start a war against Saddam Hussein. The media exposed Saddam was switching from Dollars to Euros to weaken Washington. The media exposed the secret Bush cabinet meeting five months before September 11th declaring military intervention in Iraq is necessary to stabilize the oil market. I'm out of breath...

    What more can the media do? I think the media did a solid job getting the truth out to Americans. How many more smoking guns do you want?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2014 - 10:33 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Killer,

    What did you think would happen if we ousted Saddam? That Iraq would grasp hold of democracy and live happily ever after?

    What country in that region has a democracy with the religious differences that exist like this?

    I dont even care much about the UN resolutions, as they were not OUR direct issue...we INVADED Iraq, we did not assist the UN or do sanctions and pressure him out..we invaded. It was our decision and with the decision should have come the obvious observation that when a dictator is removed and you have two religious groups ready to pounce and wipe the other off the planet that you better have a plan in place to deal with this.

    The Bush argument is 100% legit, it was his call, his cabinet, his intel, his military leaders..the reasons we went in and all the analysis came from him..not from Obama.

    And yeah as I mentioned above, this probably will never get better as it stands and can only get worse unless another dictator is put in OR we go in and force the two groups to co-exist..but that cannot happen as we are not willing to cover the costs and suffer the loss of life that will come to our soldiers in doing so.

    no offense but you are way to liberal you keep stating bush this bush that, but it was Clinton that lowered our intelligence level to a new low.nice way to save the people money. that's why they hit us in bush's first year. they were aware the rep would build it back up.(just like when iran released the hostages the day regan got in)my friend is a fed and he was worried about his job, the cia was cut into nothing. maybe you should go back a little further?how is Obama care working for you? it screwed me!!!!!!!!I no longer can afford insurance, I will pay the penalty year after year while illegals and people who sit home waiting for the monthly check live the good life. Obama blows!!!!!!!!!! and every one talking about lies? the economy is not getting any better, unless it still hasn't trickled down to us low lifes that have to bust our arse to help the people who do NOTHING!!!great regime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Killer,

    What did you think would happen if we ousted Saddam? That Iraq would grasp hold of democracy and live happily ever after?

    What country in that region has a democracy with the religious differences that exist like this?

    I dont even care much about the UN resolutions, as they were not OUR direct issue...we INVADED Iraq, we did not assist the UN or do sanctions and pressure him out..we invaded. It was our decision and with the decision should have come the obvious observation that when a dictator is removed and you have two religious groups ready to pounce and wipe the other off the planet that you better have a plan in place to deal with this.

    The Bush argument is 100% legit, it was his call, his cabinet, his intel, his military leaders..the reasons we went in and all the analysis came from him..not from Obama.

    And yeah as I mentioned above, this probably will never get better as it stands and can only get worse unless another dictator is put in OR we go in and force the two groups to co-exist..but that cannot happen as we are not willing to cover the costs and suffer the loss of life that will come to our soldiers in doing so.

    no offense but you are way to liberal you keep stating bush this bush that, but it was Clinton that lowered our intelligence level to a new low.nice way to save the people money. that's why they hit us in bush's first year. they were aware the rep would build it back up.(just like when iran released the hostages the day regan got in)my friend is a fed and he was worried about his job, the cia was cut into nothing. maybe you should go back a little further?how is Obama care working for you? it screwed me!!!!!!!!I no longer can afford insurance, I will pay the penalty year after year while illegals and people who sit home waiting for the monthly check live the good life. Obama blows!!!!!!!!!! and every one talking about lies? the economy is not getting any better, unless it still hasn't trickled down to us low lifes that have to bust our arse to help the people who do NOTHING!!!great regime!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2014 - 11:02 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by potvin:

    no offense but you are way to liberal you keep stating bush this bush that, but it was Clinton that lowered our intelligence level to a new low.nice way to save the people money. that's why they hit us in bush's first year. they were aware the rep would build it back up.(just like when iran released the hostages the day regan got in)my friend is a fed and he was worried about his job, the cia was cut into nothing. maybe you should go back a little further?how is Obama care working for you? it screwed me!!!!!!!!I no longer can afford insurance, I will pay the penalty year after year while illegals and people who sit home waiting for the monthly check live the good life. Obama blows!!!!!!!!!! and every one talking about lies? the economy is not getting any better, unless it still hasn't trickled down to us low lifes that have to bust our arse to help the people who do NOTHING!!!great regime!


    Stream of thought there, tough to follow.

    I didnt say Bush was to blame for 9-11, I dont even know where you bring that into the discussion. 

    I said that Bush used national sentiment to forward his goal of invading Iraq. So what does that or Obamacare have to do with what I said again?

    Try to keep to the topic if you want to refute what I am allegedly saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by potvin:

    no offense but you are way to liberal you keep stating bush this bush that, but it was Clinton that lowered our intelligence level to a new low.nice way to save the people money. that's why they hit us in bush's first year. they were aware the rep would build it back up.(just like when iran released the hostages the day regan got in)my friend is a fed and he was worried about his job, the cia was cut into nothing. maybe you should go back a little further?how is Obama care working for you? it screwed me!!!!!!!!I no longer can afford insurance, I will pay the penalty year after year while illegals and people who sit home waiting for the monthly check live the good life. Obama blows!!!!!!!!!! and every one talking about lies? the economy is not getting any better, unless it still hasn't trickled down to us low lifes that have to bust our arse to help the people who do NOTHING!!!great regime!


    Stream of thought there, tough to follow.

    I didnt say Bush was to blame for 9-11, I dont even know where you bring that into the discussion. 

    I said that Bush used national sentiment to forward his goal of invading Iraq. So what does that or Obamacare have to do with what I said again?

    Try to keep to the topic if you want to refute what I am allegedly saying.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2014 - 8:37 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Stream of thought there, tough to follow.

    I didnt say Bush was to blame for 9-11, I dont even know where you bring that into the discussion. 

    I said that Bush used national sentiment to forward his goal of invading Iraq. So what does that or Obamacare have to do with what I said again?

    Try to keep to the topic if you want to refute what I am allegedly saying.

    my point is every administration has to bear with the last administrations moves. maybe a little off point? but get tired of this witch hunt.that day bush was in the classroom receiving the bad news was probably the worst day to be the president of the united states ever! what would you have done? what would anyone have done? I agree this will never get better, time to close the un(let someone else support it) and take care of our homeland!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Stream of thought there, tough to follow.

    I didnt say Bush was to blame for 9-11, I dont even know where you bring that into the discussion. 

    I said that Bush used national sentiment to forward his goal of invading Iraq. So what does that or Obamacare have to do with what I said again?

    Try to keep to the topic if you want to refute what I am allegedly saying.

    my point is every administration has to bear with the last administrations moves. maybe a little off point? but get tired of this witch hunt.that day bush was in the classroom receiving the bad news was probably the worst day to be the president of the united states ever! what would you have done? what would anyone have done? I agree this will never get better, time to close the un(let someone else support it) and take care of our homeland!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2014 - 1:53 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I like to think they are.  Teleconferencing, etc. nowadays it is very easy to stay in touch, etc.  I understand what you are saying and not totally disagreeing.  I just don't choose to have this as my beef with him is all. 


    Raiders---Is your opinion about this the same after the president acknowledged his administration has no plan to deal with the ISIS JV threat ? Would it have been worth asking the president during the press conference whether he had any plans to sit down and develop a plan to deal with the ISIS threat ? Not trying to be a jerk, but I think your point was that the administration was probably in touch via high-tech during vacationing to stay on top of the most compelling problems facing the world. My own opinion is that the facts suggest otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I like to think they are.  Teleconferencing, etc. nowadays it is very easy to stay in touch, etc.  I understand what you are saying and not totally disagreeing.  I just don't choose to have this as my beef with him is all. 


    Raiders---Is your opinion about this the same after the president acknowledged his administration has no plan to deal with the ISIS JV threat ? Would it have been worth asking the president during the press conference whether he had any plans to sit down and develop a plan to deal with the ISIS threat ? Not trying to be a jerk, but I think your point was that the administration was probably in touch via high-tech during vacationing to stay on top of the most compelling problems facing the world. My own opinion is that the facts suggest otherwise.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2014 - 2:14 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:


    Raiders---Is your opinion about this the same after the president acknowledged his administration has no plan to deal with the ISIS JV threat ? Would it have been worth asking the president during the press conference whether he had any plans to sit down and develop a plan to deal with the ISIS threat ? Not trying to be a jerk, but I think your point was that the administration was probably in touch via high-tech during vacationing to stay on top of the most compelling problems facing the world. My own opinion is that the facts suggest otherwise.
    Fair enough. Don't think you are being a jerk at all. But my opinion is the same. I feel he was/could be in touch very easily. You are simply assuming had he been in White House he would have made another decision; he would not have. Just because someone is in touch (no matter the method) does not exclude the fact that they can be a total and complete incompetent buffoon!
    I have no beef with Presidents taking vacation or doing stress relief activities.  I choose to have my issues with them on policies and decisions they make us all. 
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    Raiders---Is your opinion about this the same after the president acknowledged his administration has no plan to deal with the ISIS JV threat ? Would it have been worth asking the president during the press conference whether he had any plans to sit down and develop a plan to deal with the ISIS threat ? Not trying to be a jerk, but I think your point was that the administration was probably in touch via high-tech during vacationing to stay on top of the most compelling problems facing the world. My own opinion is that the facts suggest otherwise.
    Fair enough. Don't think you are being a jerk at all. But my opinion is the same. I feel he was/could be in touch very easily. You are simply assuming had he been in White House he would have made another decision; he would not have. Just because someone is in touch (no matter the method) does not exclude the fact that they can be a total and complete incompetent buffoon!
    I have no beef with Presidents taking vacation or doing stress relief activities.  I choose to have my issues with them on policies and decisions they make us all. 
     
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    I meant the 'decisions they make is all.'
    Yes, I think BHO was hoping to get out of that area and make his core happy and all. Then if something happened he hoped it would happen after he was out of office or he could still blame GWB. But it looks like that plan has backfired. Just as being dismissive toward Romney when he pointed out Russia being a threat. This guys lack of experience in dealing with simple matters is showing. So it is not surprising that the deep and complex things are throwing him for a loop. 
    Sometimes it might be best to let him stay on vacation and take his phone from him so he cannot stay in touch. 
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    I meant the 'decisions they make is all.'
    Yes, I think BHO was hoping to get out of that area and make his core happy and all. Then if something happened he hoped it would happen after he was out of office or he could still blame GWB. But it looks like that plan has backfired. Just as being dismissive toward Romney when he pointed out Russia being a threat. This guys lack of experience in dealing with simple matters is showing. So it is not surprising that the deep and complex things are throwing him for a loop. 
    Sometimes it might be best to let him stay on vacation and take his phone from him so he cannot stay in touch. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I meant the 'decisions they make is all.'
    Yes, I think BHO was hoping to get out of that area and make his core happy and all. Then if something happened he hoped it would happen after he was out of office or he could still blame GWB. But it looks like that plan has backfired. Just as being dismissive toward Romney when he pointed out Russia being a threat. This guys lack of experience in dealing with simple matters is showing. So it is not surprising that the deep and complex things are throwing him for a loop. 
    Sometimes it might be best to let him stay on vacation and take his phone from him so he cannot stay in touch. 

    Thanks for the reply. I don't care about his vacations either, but I think he is disconnected from the job. When his enablers like the Washington Post call his inaction " alarming " and " disturbing ", we all need to worry ( WP Editorial--8-29-2014 ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I meant the 'decisions they make is all.'
    Yes, I think BHO was hoping to get out of that area and make his core happy and all. Then if something happened he hoped it would happen after he was out of office or he could still blame GWB. But it looks like that plan has backfired. Just as being dismissive toward Romney when he pointed out Russia being a threat. This guys lack of experience in dealing with simple matters is showing. So it is not surprising that the deep and complex things are throwing him for a loop. 
    Sometimes it might be best to let him stay on vacation and take his phone from him so he cannot stay in touch. 

    Thanks for the reply. I don't care about his vacations either, but I think he is disconnected from the job. When his enablers like the Washington Post call his inaction " alarming " and " disturbing ", we all need to worry ( WP Editorial--8-29-2014 ).
     
     
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    For those who asked ...Where is the DIRECT threat to the US as a country or our citizens?

    A senior Homeland Security official Francis Taylor, under secretary for intelligence and analysis at DHS ...confirmed to Congress on today.. that militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS) are planning to enter the United States via the porous southern border.

    Other U.S. officials have warned ahead of President Obama’s speech this evening that ISIL is growing in strength and seeking the capability to attack America DIRECTLY......
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    For those who asked ...Where is the DIRECT threat to the US as a country or our citizens?

    A senior Homeland Security official Francis Taylor, under secretary for intelligence and analysis at DHS ...confirmed to Congress on today.. that militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS) are planning to enter the United States via the porous southern border.

    Other U.S. officials have warned ahead of President Obama’s speech this evening that ISIL is growing in strength and seeking the capability to attack America DIRECTLY......
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