Where's the sources for your conspiracy theory that approx 20 people conspired to invade Iraq, convincing the U.S. Congress & world allies to join in solidarity? And to date no one has written a book (which everyone seems to have a tell all book) regarding your claims?
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Where's the sources for your conspiracy theory that approx 20 people conspired to invade Iraq, convincing the U.S. Congress & world allies to join in solidarity? And to date no one has written a book (which everyone seems to have a tell all book) regarding your claims?
Where's the sources for your conspiracy theory that approx 20 people conspired to invade Iraq, convincing the U.S. Congress & world allies to join in solidarity? And to date no one has written a book (which everyone seems to have a tell all book) regarding your claims?
Just saying something over and over and louder in different ways doesn't make it correct. If facts are truly presented then the intellectually honest person without an agenda will change their mind. You just don't completely make your case is all. A conspiracy or coverup is something that is factually exposed by folks admitting they did it or were in on it. Or proving with the facts that there is no viable alternative. There are many papers, books, and movies written about a lot of these conspiracy things; not many people take them seriously even though they sound very convincing. The intellectually honest and non-weakminded person will admit when they are wrong or what they say cannot be proven. You don't want to admit you may be wrong. I have no problem admitting I am wrong when presented with facts. Until then I will wait until the facts expose this conspiracy, then I will join in calling for war crimes, etc. Until then I will continue to believe that honest, sincere world leaders, provided with what they felt was true intel did the best they could to do the right thing for USA and the world in a very trying time.
Just ignorantly denying something over and over doesn’t make it false. No, you can’t change a naive mind. Psychological studies have proven this...
You just don't completely make your case is all. A conspiracy or coverup is something that is factually exposed by folks admitting they did it or were in on it. Or proving with the facts that there is no viable alternative.
Not only did I make my case... it was an out of the park grand slam.
There are many papers, books, and movies written about a lot of these conspiracy things; not many people take them seriously even though they sound very convincing. The intellectually honest and non-weakminded person will admit when they are wrong or what they say cannot be proven. You don't want to admit you may be wrong. I have no problem admitting I am wrong when presented with facts.
No, you don’t want to admit you are wrong because you have a severe case of denial...
You want facts…
A Cabinet Office briefing paper, July 21, 2002 said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal. This is 100 percent authentic.
The Office of Special Plans planned the war. This is a fact.
Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo exposes the truth. It shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spy-plane in UN colors to provoke Saddam to shoot it down and shows Bush and Blair making a secret deal to carry out the invasion regardless of whether or not WMDs were discovered by UN weapons inspectors. This is 100 percent authentic.
Until then I will wait until the facts expose this conspiracy, then I will join in calling for war crimes, etc. Until then I will continue to believe that honest, sincere world leaders, provided with what they felt was true intel did the best they could to do the right thing for USA and the world in a very trying time.
Cowboy Bush isn’t the first president to lie. History clearly shows that McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, and G.W. Bush all lied to the American people to go to war. This is a historical fact.
You fact deniers that lack reading comprehension are hilarious.
Just saying something over and over and louder in different ways doesn't make it correct. If facts are truly presented then the intellectually honest person without an agenda will change their mind. You just don't completely make your case is all. A conspiracy or coverup is something that is factually exposed by folks admitting they did it or were in on it. Or proving with the facts that there is no viable alternative. There are many papers, books, and movies written about a lot of these conspiracy things; not many people take them seriously even though they sound very convincing. The intellectually honest and non-weakminded person will admit when they are wrong or what they say cannot be proven. You don't want to admit you may be wrong. I have no problem admitting I am wrong when presented with facts. Until then I will wait until the facts expose this conspiracy, then I will join in calling for war crimes, etc. Until then I will continue to believe that honest, sincere world leaders, provided with what they felt was true intel did the best they could to do the right thing for USA and the world in a very trying time.
Just ignorantly denying something over and over doesn’t make it false. No, you can’t change a naive mind. Psychological studies have proven this...
You just don't completely make your case is all. A conspiracy or coverup is something that is factually exposed by folks admitting they did it or were in on it. Or proving with the facts that there is no viable alternative.
Not only did I make my case... it was an out of the park grand slam.
There are many papers, books, and movies written about a lot of these conspiracy things; not many people take them seriously even though they sound very convincing. The intellectually honest and non-weakminded person will admit when they are wrong or what they say cannot be proven. You don't want to admit you may be wrong. I have no problem admitting I am wrong when presented with facts.
No, you don’t want to admit you are wrong because you have a severe case of denial...
You want facts…
A Cabinet Office briefing paper, July 21, 2002 said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal. This is 100 percent authentic.
The Office of Special Plans planned the war. This is a fact.
Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo exposes the truth. It shows Bush floating the idea of painting a U-2 spy-plane in UN colors to provoke Saddam to shoot it down and shows Bush and Blair making a secret deal to carry out the invasion regardless of whether or not WMDs were discovered by UN weapons inspectors. This is 100 percent authentic.
Until then I will wait until the facts expose this conspiracy, then I will join in calling for war crimes, etc. Until then I will continue to believe that honest, sincere world leaders, provided with what they felt was true intel did the best they could to do the right thing for USA and the world in a very trying time.
Cowboy Bush isn’t the first president to lie. History clearly shows that McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, and G.W. Bush all lied to the American people to go to war. This is a historical fact.
You fact deniers that lack reading comprehension are hilarious.
Just ignorantly denying something over and over doesn’t make it false. No, you can’t change a naive mind. Psychological studies have proven this...
I agree ---and you naive people are also easily swayed ![]()
Just ignorantly denying something over and over doesn’t make it false. No, you can’t change a naive mind. Psychological studies have proven this...
I agree ---and you naive people are also easily swayed ![]()
Not only did I make my case... it was an out of the park grand slam.
Um..actually...no...you didn't...that is the whole point ![]()
Not only did I make my case... it was an out of the park grand slam.
Um..actually...no...you didn't...that is the whole point ![]()
The Office of Special Plans planned the war. This is a fact.
And...isn't this by definition their job--they didn't decide to 'plan' the conspiracy or the circumstances to go to war. Not their decision---their job is to plan. ![]()
The Office of Special Plans planned the war. This is a fact.
And...isn't this by definition their job--they didn't decide to 'plan' the conspiracy or the circumstances to go to war. Not their decision---their job is to plan. ![]()
A Cabinet Office briefing paper, July 21, 2002 said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal. This is 100 percent authentic.
And...? What does this have to with the original reason for going? This is part of that dreaded 'exit strategy' plannning that all you Leftists complain about. Not the drummed up WMDs.
A Cabinet Office briefing paper, July 21, 2002 said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal. This is 100 percent authentic.
And...? What does this have to with the original reason for going? This is part of that dreaded 'exit strategy' plannning that all you Leftists complain about. Not the drummed up WMDs.
Cowboy Bush isn’t the first president to lie. History clearly shows that McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, and G.W. Bush all lied to the American people to go to war. This is a historical fact.
You fact deniers that lack reading comprehension are hilarious.
Yes---they will sometimes play fast and loose with truth to get their way. Maybe Lincoln and McKinley are best examples. Most say McKinley clearly knew Spain didn't blow up the Maine. Lincoln knew what e was doing was wrong, but justified it for the better good, etc But the people and congress also know and are okay with this. Certainly 9/11 played a part because people were afraid. But I do not know that they really lied just because they wanted to go to war exactly o be going to war. Maybe Wilson, but not Clinto or Bush I feel.
Cowboy Bush isn’t the first president to lie. History clearly shows that McKinley, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, and G.W. Bush all lied to the American people to go to war. This is a historical fact.
You fact deniers that lack reading comprehension are hilarious.
Yes---they will sometimes play fast and loose with truth to get their way. Maybe Lincoln and McKinley are best examples. Most say McKinley clearly knew Spain didn't blow up the Maine. Lincoln knew what e was doing was wrong, but justified it for the better good, etc But the people and congress also know and are okay with this. Certainly 9/11 played a part because people were afraid. But I do not know that they really lied just because they wanted to go to war exactly o be going to war. Maybe Wilson, but not Clinto or Bush I feel.
Examples (some even before Bush) of the fact deniers that lack reading comprehension:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Examples (some even before Bush) of the fact deniers that lack reading comprehension:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Judge Silberman's take on it:
“Bush lied, people died.” In certain quarters, the charge has by now achieved the status of a settled question. Judge Laurence Silberman intends to unsettle it.
“The notion that Bush lied about intelligence to get [us] into war,” Silberman says, “is an absurd and outrageous libel.”
Dignified and eloquent, Silberman, a senior judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, represents one of the leading figures on the federal bench. (In 2007, Silberman wrote the decision striking down the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns. Upholding him the following year, the Supreme Court produced the most important decision on the Second Amendment in some seven decades.) From 2004 to 2005 Silberman served with former Democratic Sen. Chuck Robb as co-chairman of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the U.S. Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.
In its official report, the Silberman-Robb Commission evaluated only American intelligence on Iraq, not what the administration did with it. But Judge Silberman saw more than enough to draw his own conclusions. During a recent interview with me, he spoke freely about his views for the first time. “As a federal judge I am very careful to stay out of politics,” Silberman says. “But [now that several years have passed] I am inclined to think that … [for] historical purposes I can give an opinion.”
Did the Bush administration distort or misconstrue intelligence to show that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction? No. The intelligence agencies did that by themselves.
The intelligence agencies, Silberman says, “clearly indicated that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. They made that clear to both President Clinton and President Bush. They made that clear in the national intelligence estimate of 2002.” How did the intelligence agencies get such a basic, vital question so thoroughly wrong? “A lot of fundamental and almost amateurish mistakes.”
Consider, for instance, the intelligence that Saddam had resumed his program to produce biological weapons.
“That claim came to American intelligence from several different entry points,” Silberman says. “[But] it turned out that it all came from a single source, one person who had made the claim to German intelligence. Nobody in American intelligence realized that what looked like three or four bits of corroborating evidence was really all the same phony thing.”
The intelligence community, in other words, proved incapable of a task that takes place dozens of times a day in every newsroom in America: double sourcing.
Bush lied? Hardly. The intelligence agencies screwed up.
Silberman, however, refuses simply to shift blame for the war from the administration to the intelligence agencies. Instead he rejects the idea that the invasion of Iraq represented a war of choice in the first place.
“Even people at the highest level of the Iraqi regime believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction,” Silberman explains. “Saddam was running a bluff. He was bluffing his own people, and he was bluffing Iran. It would have been impossible for any intelligence agency in the world … to have determined that Saddam had destroyed his weapons of mass destruction.”
Even if the intelligence agencies had performed flawlessly, they would therefore have found themselves advising the president of grave dangers. “A first-class [intelligence] opinion would have said, ‘We [the intelligence agencies] know Saddam once had weapons of mass destruction, we know that he proved capable of using them, and we have no evidence that he has destroyed them. Although we cannot prove that Saddam still has weapons of mass destruction, we think it highly likely that he has.’”
If the intelligence agencies had submitted just such a report–an accurate, considered assessment–what would have happened?
“The country,” says Silberman, “would probably have gone to war anyway.”
“When Germany seized the Rhineland in 1936, France and Britain failed to respond. I’m sure leaders in France and Britain thought, ‘Well, if we went to war now, we would be waging a war of choice.’ But was it really a war of choice? Of course not. By 1939 there was no choice.
“When the Bush administration went into Iraq, the timing may have been a matter of choice,” Silberman says. “But historians will probably conclude that the war itself was inevitable.”
The Bush administration no doubt made its mistakes, and the intelligence agencies undeniably committed one bungle after another. But after years of attempting to blame each other for the conflict, Americans should recognize that the war in Iraq was never ours to choose. A barbarian forced it upon us.
Judge Silberman's take on it:
“Bush lied, people died.” In certain quarters, the charge has by now achieved the status of a settled question. Judge Laurence Silberman intends to unsettle it.
“The notion that Bush lied about intelligence to get [us] into war,” Silberman says, “is an absurd and outrageous libel.”
Dignified and eloquent, Silberman, a senior judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, represents one of the leading figures on the federal bench. (In 2007, Silberman wrote the decision striking down the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns. Upholding him the following year, the Supreme Court produced the most important decision on the Second Amendment in some seven decades.) From 2004 to 2005 Silberman served with former Democratic Sen. Chuck Robb as co-chairman of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the U.S. Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.
In its official report, the Silberman-Robb Commission evaluated only American intelligence on Iraq, not what the administration did with it. But Judge Silberman saw more than enough to draw his own conclusions. During a recent interview with me, he spoke freely about his views for the first time. “As a federal judge I am very careful to stay out of politics,” Silberman says. “But [now that several years have passed] I am inclined to think that … [for] historical purposes I can give an opinion.”
Did the Bush administration distort or misconstrue intelligence to show that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction? No. The intelligence agencies did that by themselves.
The intelligence agencies, Silberman says, “clearly indicated that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. They made that clear to both President Clinton and President Bush. They made that clear in the national intelligence estimate of 2002.” How did the intelligence agencies get such a basic, vital question so thoroughly wrong? “A lot of fundamental and almost amateurish mistakes.”
Consider, for instance, the intelligence that Saddam had resumed his program to produce biological weapons.
“That claim came to American intelligence from several different entry points,” Silberman says. “[But] it turned out that it all came from a single source, one person who had made the claim to German intelligence. Nobody in American intelligence realized that what looked like three or four bits of corroborating evidence was really all the same phony thing.”
The intelligence community, in other words, proved incapable of a task that takes place dozens of times a day in every newsroom in America: double sourcing.
Bush lied? Hardly. The intelligence agencies screwed up.
Silberman, however, refuses simply to shift blame for the war from the administration to the intelligence agencies. Instead he rejects the idea that the invasion of Iraq represented a war of choice in the first place.
“Even people at the highest level of the Iraqi regime believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction,” Silberman explains. “Saddam was running a bluff. He was bluffing his own people, and he was bluffing Iran. It would have been impossible for any intelligence agency in the world … to have determined that Saddam had destroyed his weapons of mass destruction.”
Even if the intelligence agencies had performed flawlessly, they would therefore have found themselves advising the president of grave dangers. “A first-class [intelligence] opinion would have said, ‘We [the intelligence agencies] know Saddam once had weapons of mass destruction, we know that he proved capable of using them, and we have no evidence that he has destroyed them. Although we cannot prove that Saddam still has weapons of mass destruction, we think it highly likely that he has.’”
If the intelligence agencies had submitted just such a report–an accurate, considered assessment–what would have happened?
“The country,” says Silberman, “would probably have gone to war anyway.”
“When Germany seized the Rhineland in 1936, France and Britain failed to respond. I’m sure leaders in France and Britain thought, ‘Well, if we went to war now, we would be waging a war of choice.’ But was it really a war of choice? Of course not. By 1939 there was no choice.
“When the Bush administration went into Iraq, the timing may have been a matter of choice,” Silberman says. “But historians will probably conclude that the war itself was inevitable.”
The Bush administration no doubt made its mistakes, and the intelligence agencies undeniably committed one bungle after another. But after years of attempting to blame each other for the conflict, Americans should recognize that the war in Iraq was never ours to choose. A barbarian forced it upon us.
I understand he has an agenda but this from Garlock:
Garlock: ...Republican-held Congress declared war on Iraq under the misinformation from George W. Bush and person Cheney.
So President Bush lied to Congress in 2002 to get them to pass the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. That resolution contained 23 reasons to authorize force, many of them contained in theIRAQI BREACH OF INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS also in 1998.
Did President Bush go back in time to lie to the Congress in 1998 as well? Let's break down the 23 points and see where they are found.
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1. Iraq invaded Kuwait. -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
2. Iraq was to agree to a U.N cease fire -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
3. Iraq had a large stockpile of chemical weapons and a biological and nuclear weapsons program -- Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
4. Iraq thwarted weapons inspectors -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
5. Iraq was in breach of the internations obligations up to 1998 -- Specifically mentions the Iraqi Breach of International Obligations law. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
6. Iraq still in breach of international obligations, still has a chemical and biological capability, and still seeking nuclear capability after 1998.
7. Iraq violated U.N resolutions by suppressing it's civilian population and still has items stolen from Kuwait --- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
8, Iraq used WMD against other nations and its own people -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
9. Iraq tried to kill former President George H.W. Bush and fired on U.S. military -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
10. Iraq harbors Al Qaeda members.
11. Iraq harbors other terrorsts.
12. September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of terrorists gaining WMD.
13. Since Iraq has used WMD, there is a risk it may sell WMD to terrorists.
14. U.N Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorized the use of all necessary means to enforce prior U.N Resolutions including the development of WMD. Other U.N resolutions told Iraq to comply with weapons inspectors, stop suppressing its civilian population and thretening its neighbors. -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
15. Public Law 102-1 of 1991, Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution, was implemented because Iraq had failed to comply with the many UN Security Council Resolutions. - Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
16. Congress in December 1991, IRAQ AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 687 & 688, supports all necessary means to support UN Security Councel Resolutions.
17. Mention of Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
18. On Sep 12, 2001, President Bush committed us to work with the U.N. Security Council to meet the common challenge posed by Iraq, to work for all necessary resolutions and enforce current ones.
19. The U.S. is commited to prosecute the War on Terror. Iraq supports international terrorism, has developed WMD, and has violated UNSC resolutions. All UNSC resolutions must be enforced by all means necessary including the use of force.
20. Congress has taken steps to pursue the War on Terror including provision of authorities and funding to take necessary actions against international terrorist organizations including those nations or organizations who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations.
21. Congress will continue to take action against those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations.
22. The President has the authority under the Constituton to act against and protect the U.S from terrorists under Public Law 107-40, Authorization for Use of Military Force, on September 18,2001.
23. It is in the national security interest of the U.S to restore peace the the Persian Gulf region.
I understand he has an agenda but this from Garlock:
Garlock: ...Republican-held Congress declared war on Iraq under the misinformation from George W. Bush and person Cheney.
So President Bush lied to Congress in 2002 to get them to pass the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. That resolution contained 23 reasons to authorize force, many of them contained in theIRAQI BREACH OF INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS also in 1998.
Did President Bush go back in time to lie to the Congress in 1998 as well? Let's break down the 23 points and see where they are found.
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1. Iraq invaded Kuwait. -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
2. Iraq was to agree to a U.N cease fire -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
3. Iraq had a large stockpile of chemical weapons and a biological and nuclear weapsons program -- Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
4. Iraq thwarted weapons inspectors -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
5. Iraq was in breach of the internations obligations up to 1998 -- Specifically mentions the Iraqi Breach of International Obligations law. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
6. Iraq still in breach of international obligations, still has a chemical and biological capability, and still seeking nuclear capability after 1998.
7. Iraq violated U.N resolutions by suppressing it's civilian population and still has items stolen from Kuwait --- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
8, Iraq used WMD against other nations and its own people -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
9. Iraq tried to kill former President George H.W. Bush and fired on U.S. military -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
10. Iraq harbors Al Qaeda members.
11. Iraq harbors other terrorsts.
12. September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of terrorists gaining WMD.
13. Since Iraq has used WMD, there is a risk it may sell WMD to terrorists.
14. U.N Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorized the use of all necessary means to enforce prior U.N Resolutions including the development of WMD. Other U.N resolutions told Iraq to comply with weapons inspectors, stop suppressing its civilian population and thretening its neighbors. -- Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
15. Public Law 102-1 of 1991, Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution, was implemented because Iraq had failed to comply with the many UN Security Council Resolutions. - Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998. Also found in the Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
16. Congress in December 1991, IRAQ AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 687 & 688, supports all necessary means to support UN Security Councel Resolutions.
17. Mention of Iraq Liberation act of 1998.
18. On Sep 12, 2001, President Bush committed us to work with the U.N. Security Council to meet the common challenge posed by Iraq, to work for all necessary resolutions and enforce current ones.
19. The U.S. is commited to prosecute the War on Terror. Iraq supports international terrorism, has developed WMD, and has violated UNSC resolutions. All UNSC resolutions must be enforced by all means necessary including the use of force.
20. Congress has taken steps to pursue the War on Terror including provision of authorities and funding to take necessary actions against international terrorist organizations including those nations or organizations who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations.
21. Congress will continue to take action against those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations.
22. The President has the authority under the Constituton to act against and protect the U.S from terrorists under Public Law 107-40, Authorization for Use of Military Force, on September 18,2001.
23. It is in the national security interest of the U.S to restore peace the the Persian Gulf region.
All items in bold were mentioned in Laws PRIOR to President Bush.
Items 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 & 23 were not mentioned in the 1998 laws.
Items 12 and 13 only speak to risks not actual events, that leaves Items 6, 10, 11, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 & 23.
Items 17, 18, 20, & 22 list historical actions. That leaves 6, 10, 11, 19, 21, & 23.
Items 19, 21 and 23 speak to commitments and interests of the U.S. That leaves Items 6, 10 & 11.
Items 10 & 11 spoke to Iraq harboring terrorists. Abdul Rahman Yasin, involved in the 1993 bombing of the WTC, was harbored in Iraq. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi settled in Iraq in 2002, ABU MUSA'AB AL-ZARQAWI [AKAs: KHALAILAH, Ahmed Fadee Ii AL-KHALAYLAH, Ahmad Fadil Nazzali ABU AL-MU'TAZ], has ties to al-Qaida, Asbat al-Ansar and Hizballah.
That leaves Item 6, let's look at that ---
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations
So, where is the lie in there that Bush supplied to the Congress in 2002?
The Duelfer Report confirmed the findings of Item 6 ---
Read more: https://newsbusters.org/liberal-lies-president-bush-lied-congress-get-us-iraq-truth-he-did-not.html#ixzz3AIsme5Mc
All items in bold were mentioned in Laws PRIOR to President Bush.
Items 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 & 23 were not mentioned in the 1998 laws.
Items 12 and 13 only speak to risks not actual events, that leaves Items 6, 10, 11, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 & 23.
Items 17, 18, 20, & 22 list historical actions. That leaves 6, 10, 11, 19, 21, & 23.
Items 19, 21 and 23 speak to commitments and interests of the U.S. That leaves Items 6, 10 & 11.
Items 10 & 11 spoke to Iraq harboring terrorists. Abdul Rahman Yasin, involved in the 1993 bombing of the WTC, was harbored in Iraq. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi settled in Iraq in 2002, ABU MUSA'AB AL-ZARQAWI [AKAs: KHALAILAH, Ahmed Fadee Ii AL-KHALAYLAH, Ahmad Fadil Nazzali ABU AL-MU'TAZ], has ties to al-Qaida, Asbat al-Ansar and Hizballah.
That leaves Item 6, let's look at that ---
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations
So, where is the lie in there that Bush supplied to the Congress in 2002?
The Duelfer Report confirmed the findings of Item 6 ---
Read more: https://newsbusters.org/liberal-lies-president-bush-lied-congress-get-us-iraq-truth-he-did-not.html#ixzz3AIsme5Mc
"I agree ---and you naive people are also easily swayed."
My response to post #103… I’m the naive one? I’m clearly more informed on American history and politics than you are. You are obviously intellectually inferior to me. You’re the exact definition of an uninformed voter. You have seriously weak historical and political acumen. I noticed you blatantly ignored the Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo...
"Um..actually...no...you didn't...that is the whole point."
My response to post #104… It’s not my fault that you can’t comprehend what you are reading...
"And...isn't this by definition their job--they didn't decide to 'plan' the conspiracy or the circumstances to go to war. Not their decision---their job is to plan."
"And...? What does this have to with the original reason for going? This is part of that dreaded 'exit strategy' planning that all you Leftists complain about. Not the drummed up WMDs."
My response to post #105 and #106… LOL, Raiders, damn, you are seriously gullible and incredibly naive. The job of the Office of Special Plans was that of a defense team. It was to examine and recommend various excuses, justifications, and mitigating factors to excuse liability. Bush didn't lie, (Ahem), he bent the truth...
What does post #108 have to do with the debate?
My response to Post #109…The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) evaluated ONLY the American intelligence on Iraq, not what the Bush administration did with it.
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) did a really good job throwing the blame on intelligence agencies.
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) left out the second phase of the report and… conceded “that there is no doubt that intelligence analysts operated in an environment shaped by intense policymaker interest.”
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) believes that intelligence analysts are to blame (Ahem, scapegoats) and were pressured by the OSP to construct intelligence to fit their agenda without saying the words “manipulated or coerced.”
If the intelligence agencies had submitted just such a report–an accurate, considered assessment–what would have happened? “The country,” says Silberman, “would probably have gone to war anyway.”
My response to Post #110 and #111… I’m using the leaked government documents, the senate report, and former government officials and former CIA officers and you use
"I also feel to blatantly lie to go to war and get people killed is wrong. Again, if it came out that was the case I would be very disheartened. Maybe I just do not want to believe that things like this can/do happen so I am holding out as long as possible on this one."
My response to post #112… Well, every president has lied to go to war. That is a fact. Everything has come out but you choose to ignore it. It’s a denial disorder. People with denial disorder are afraid of the truth... so living in denial is much easier to live with...
"I agree ---and you naive people are also easily swayed."
My response to post #103… I’m the naive one? I’m clearly more informed on American history and politics than you are. You are obviously intellectually inferior to me. You’re the exact definition of an uninformed voter. You have seriously weak historical and political acumen. I noticed you blatantly ignored the Bush-Blair 2003 Iraq memo...
"Um..actually...no...you didn't...that is the whole point."
My response to post #104… It’s not my fault that you can’t comprehend what you are reading...
"And...isn't this by definition their job--they didn't decide to 'plan' the conspiracy or the circumstances to go to war. Not their decision---their job is to plan."
"And...? What does this have to with the original reason for going? This is part of that dreaded 'exit strategy' planning that all you Leftists complain about. Not the drummed up WMDs."
My response to post #105 and #106… LOL, Raiders, damn, you are seriously gullible and incredibly naive. The job of the Office of Special Plans was that of a defense team. It was to examine and recommend various excuses, justifications, and mitigating factors to excuse liability. Bush didn't lie, (Ahem), he bent the truth...
What does post #108 have to do with the debate?
My response to Post #109…The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) evaluated ONLY the American intelligence on Iraq, not what the Bush administration did with it.
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) did a really good job throwing the blame on intelligence agencies.
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) left out the second phase of the report and… conceded “that there is no doubt that intelligence analysts operated in an environment shaped by intense policymaker interest.”
The Silberman-Robb Commission (Bush defense team) believes that intelligence analysts are to blame (Ahem, scapegoats) and were pressured by the OSP to construct intelligence to fit their agenda without saying the words “manipulated or coerced.”
If the intelligence agencies had submitted just such a report–an accurate, considered assessment–what would have happened? “The country,” says Silberman, “would probably have gone to war anyway.”
My response to Post #110 and #111… I’m using the leaked government documents, the senate report, and former government officials and former CIA officers and you use
"I also feel to blatantly lie to go to war and get people killed is wrong. Again, if it came out that was the case I would be very disheartened. Maybe I just do not want to believe that things like this can/do happen so I am holding out as long as possible on this one."
My response to post #112… Well, every president has lied to go to war. That is a fact. Everything has come out but you choose to ignore it. It’s a denial disorder. People with denial disorder are afraid of the truth... so living in denial is much easier to live with...
I understand someone feeling this way WSC. Just easy to make that argument even in WWI or Vietnam etc. I am not even saying you are wrong. But if you follow that logical to its conclusion at what point do you step in, being the world's super power? If a country is direct threat to an ally? If they take over another country? If they take over 20 other countries? When they finally attack us?
I understand someone feeling this way WSC. Just easy to make that argument even in WWI or Vietnam etc. I am not even saying you are wrong. But if you follow that logical to its conclusion at what point do you step in, being the world's super power? If a country is direct threat to an ally? If they take over another country? If they take over 20 other countries? When they finally attack us?
You make it sound like the memo came out years before the war. All the intel and SH swerving inspections and all was in by then. So bush and Blair had meeting to game plan...that's what you do.
What is the difference if it was a year or two months before the war? It shows the sick mindset of the masterminds.
You mean the intelligence that showed that Saddam was a threat to Iran and not the United States and wasn’t capable of launching world domination.
Not true, I believe in fighting for the greater good. I believe in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WW1, and WW2. These wars made this country the greatest country on earth and make me proud to be an American
The US and UK knew the only reason why Saddam was defying inspections was to keep Iran at bay and Saddam feared Iran would find out Iraq’s vulnerable spots. It had absolutely nothing to do with being a threat to the US or world domination.
Game planning to make an illegal war… legal, is inexcusable. The Silberman-Robb Commission found that the Bush administration intimidated anyone from playing devil’s advocate. Instead of intelligence agencies putting question marks in the reports… they put exclamation points! (To sell the war for the OSP)
Preparing for an investigation into a possible inquiry on an illegal war by examining various excuses, justifications, and mitigating factors to excuse liability by strategically scapegoating the blame on intelligence agencies is deviously shameful. These are not the characteristics of a once noble world power.
Almost all the world’s intelligence agencies all thought that Saddam was seriously weakened and inept after the gulf war and that he had lost the ability to produce WMDs. It was just about basic survival for Saddam in the end. The UN inspectors all said that they had found absolutely nothing to threaten US or its allies and that they just needed more time.
The war was about the survival of the United States as the world’s super power. The US made the chess move to keep oil in US dollars (Saddam wanted to trade Iraqi oil in Euros)
Good stuff as usual, WSC
You make it sound like the memo came out years before the war. All the intel and SH swerving inspections and all was in by then. So bush and Blair had meeting to game plan...that's what you do.
What is the difference if it was a year or two months before the war? It shows the sick mindset of the masterminds.
You mean the intelligence that showed that Saddam was a threat to Iran and not the United States and wasn’t capable of launching world domination.
Not true, I believe in fighting for the greater good. I believe in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WW1, and WW2. These wars made this country the greatest country on earth and make me proud to be an American
The US and UK knew the only reason why Saddam was defying inspections was to keep Iran at bay and Saddam feared Iran would find out Iraq’s vulnerable spots. It had absolutely nothing to do with being a threat to the US or world domination.
Game planning to make an illegal war… legal, is inexcusable. The Silberman-Robb Commission found that the Bush administration intimidated anyone from playing devil’s advocate. Instead of intelligence agencies putting question marks in the reports… they put exclamation points! (To sell the war for the OSP)
Preparing for an investigation into a possible inquiry on an illegal war by examining various excuses, justifications, and mitigating factors to excuse liability by strategically scapegoating the blame on intelligence agencies is deviously shameful. These are not the characteristics of a once noble world power.
Almost all the world’s intelligence agencies all thought that Saddam was seriously weakened and inept after the gulf war and that he had lost the ability to produce WMDs. It was just about basic survival for Saddam in the end. The UN inspectors all said that they had found absolutely nothing to threaten US or its allies and that they just needed more time.
The war was about the survival of the United States as the world’s super power. The US made the chess move to keep oil in US dollars (Saddam wanted to trade Iraqi oil in Euros)
Good stuff as usual, WSC
Again I am okay with you guys not wanting to ever get involved in the world's affairs. Just be clear about that aspect of it. Certainly there were folks at the time who were not for each of those wars. I respect that. I just feel we are so blessed in this country that we have a certain obligation in the world, since we have been the superpower and have the ability to help. We would do better in this aspect instead of just trying to let everyone in here in the world that needs help. It also would make it better for us long term. 9-11 just was the comparison I used because it is the closest one people know in time and relate to it is all. All that said, I also get that we cannot be the global police. And yes the reasons and results would or could have been very dynamic. That is my point also. Glad we agree on that. Yes, I agree Iran also has been mishandled more than it would have been if Bush had been in office. Yes china and Russia are tertiary benefits. Hopefully, all of this is considered, and decided it would be more effective to go this route than to face them head on. That is a good point as well. I understand when you have a change in administrations you will have a change in gameplan along the way. Certainly this played a part in how it unraveled. I get all of that, and agree with it.
Just be a man and admit what the Bush administration is guilty of was wrong. The damning evidence is overwhelming. Relativity is a theory that is considered fact. The overwhelming data supports my Iraq war theory. That makes my position a fact.
Comparing the other wars to the Iraq war is ludicrous. The United States was forced into WW1 because of the Zimmermann Telegram. The United States was attacked by Japan to get into WW2. Iraq was a political ploy.
Please stop comparing all the pacifists, anarchists, syndicalists, fascists and marxists of WW1 and WW2 with common sense anti-Iraq war people like myself. You can disrespect Ron Paul all you want but the man adheres to most of the principals that this country was founded upon.
Also, stop with this obligation nonsense. That sounds good and all, it really does, but the United States was founded on isolationism.
This country was also founded on separation of church and state.
Read Common Sense and the Age of Reason both written by Thomas Paine. These are two facts, which right-wing fact deniers, deny. All that right-wing BS you’ve been indoctrinated with has skewed your judgment.
History clearly shows that Thomas Paine, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson were all non-interventionist. No, American revolution, there is no United States of America. “Without Thomas Paine, there is no American Revolution.” -John Adams
Again I am okay with you guys not wanting to ever get involved in the world's affairs. Just be clear about that aspect of it. Certainly there were folks at the time who were not for each of those wars. I respect that. I just feel we are so blessed in this country that we have a certain obligation in the world, since we have been the superpower and have the ability to help. We would do better in this aspect instead of just trying to let everyone in here in the world that needs help. It also would make it better for us long term. 9-11 just was the comparison I used because it is the closest one people know in time and relate to it is all. All that said, I also get that we cannot be the global police. And yes the reasons and results would or could have been very dynamic. That is my point also. Glad we agree on that. Yes, I agree Iran also has been mishandled more than it would have been if Bush had been in office. Yes china and Russia are tertiary benefits. Hopefully, all of this is considered, and decided it would be more effective to go this route than to face them head on. That is a good point as well. I understand when you have a change in administrations you will have a change in gameplan along the way. Certainly this played a part in how it unraveled. I get all of that, and agree with it.
Just be a man and admit what the Bush administration is guilty of was wrong. The damning evidence is overwhelming. Relativity is a theory that is considered fact. The overwhelming data supports my Iraq war theory. That makes my position a fact.
Comparing the other wars to the Iraq war is ludicrous. The United States was forced into WW1 because of the Zimmermann Telegram. The United States was attacked by Japan to get into WW2. Iraq was a political ploy.
Please stop comparing all the pacifists, anarchists, syndicalists, fascists and marxists of WW1 and WW2 with common sense anti-Iraq war people like myself. You can disrespect Ron Paul all you want but the man adheres to most of the principals that this country was founded upon.
Also, stop with this obligation nonsense. That sounds good and all, it really does, but the United States was founded on isolationism.
This country was also founded on separation of church and state.
Read Common Sense and the Age of Reason both written by Thomas Paine. These are two facts, which right-wing fact deniers, deny. All that right-wing BS you’ve been indoctrinated with has skewed your judgment.
History clearly shows that Thomas Paine, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson were all non-interventionist. No, American revolution, there is no United States of America. “Without Thomas Paine, there is no American Revolution.” -John Adams
Damn, you are one stubborn S.O.B.
Just be a man and admit what the Bush administration is guilty of was wrong. The damning evidence is overwhelming. Relativity is a theory that is considered fact. The overwhelming data supports my Iraq war theory. That makes my position a fact.
Comparing the other wars to the Iraq war is ludicrous. The United States was forced into WW1 because of the Zimmermann Telegram. The United States was attacked by Japan to get into WW2. Iraq was a political ploy.
Please stop comparing all the pacifists, anarchists, syndicalists, fascists and marxists of WW1 and WW2 with common sense anti-Iraq war people like myself. You can disrespect Ron Paul all you want but the man adheres to most of the principals that this country was founded upon.
Also, stop with this obligation nonsense. That sounds good and all, it really does, but the United States was founded on isolationism.
This country was also founded on separation of church and state.
Read Common Sense and the Age of Reason both written by Thomas Paine. These are two facts, which right-wing fact deniers, deny. All that right-wing BS you’ve been indoctrinated with has skewed your judgment.
History clearly shows that Thomas Paine, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson were all non-interventionist. No, American revolution, there is no United States of America. “Without Thomas Paine, there is no American Revolution.” -John Adams
Huh?
Damn, you are one stubborn S.O.B.
Just be a man and admit what the Bush administration is guilty of was wrong. The damning evidence is overwhelming. Relativity is a theory that is considered fact. The overwhelming data supports my Iraq war theory. That makes my position a fact.
Comparing the other wars to the Iraq war is ludicrous. The United States was forced into WW1 because of the Zimmermann Telegram. The United States was attacked by Japan to get into WW2. Iraq was a political ploy.
Please stop comparing all the pacifists, anarchists, syndicalists, fascists and marxists of WW1 and WW2 with common sense anti-Iraq war people like myself. You can disrespect Ron Paul all you want but the man adheres to most of the principals that this country was founded upon.
Also, stop with this obligation nonsense. That sounds good and all, it really does, but the United States was founded on isolationism.
This country was also founded on separation of church and state.
Read Common Sense and the Age of Reason both written by Thomas Paine. These are two facts, which right-wing fact deniers, deny. All that right-wing BS you’ve been indoctrinated with has skewed your judgment.
History clearly shows that Thomas Paine, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson were all non-interventionist. No, American revolution, there is no United States of America. “Without Thomas Paine, there is no American Revolution.” -John Adams
Huh?
I by and large like Ron Paul. So, don't know where you got disrespect from. I am simply saying there are various reasons for not getting involved, not saying all reasons are the same. I am not even saying any are bad. It is cool that you don't think we have obligation or desire to help, no problem with that either.
Not clear what church and state have to do with this.
As I asked WSC---you support no war/interventions except the 4? Is that correct? Or no?
I honestly cannot admit at this point what Bush administration did was wrong. Even if I didn't agree with it I cannot say that they did it with wrong information or wrong intentions. Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun.
Nothing wrong with being stubborn if you feel you are right---I see you for sure feel that way. ![]()
On this one we can continue to disagree. We can agree on Munn, Stossel, Paul and maybe Johnson. Coming around on him. Don't wanna keep back and forth on this guys thread. Will catch you in next one.
I by and large like Ron Paul. So, don't know where you got disrespect from. I am simply saying there are various reasons for not getting involved, not saying all reasons are the same. I am not even saying any are bad. It is cool that you don't think we have obligation or desire to help, no problem with that either.
Not clear what church and state have to do with this.
As I asked WSC---you support no war/interventions except the 4? Is that correct? Or no?
I honestly cannot admit at this point what Bush administration did was wrong. Even if I didn't agree with it I cannot say that they did it with wrong information or wrong intentions. Again, imagine the reporter that could get that smoking gun.
Nothing wrong with being stubborn if you feel you are right---I see you for sure feel that way. ![]()
On this one we can continue to disagree. We can agree on Munn, Stossel, Paul and maybe Johnson. Coming around on him. Don't wanna keep back and forth on this guys thread. Will catch you in next one.
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