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Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 8:10 AM ET #1

Prepare to twist panties...

Twist...

Limited Airstrikes??? Really? Either destroy their offensive capability or leave it alone... Yes, Yes, Yes I know he does not want us to get into another war... But keeping them at bay is like keeping a growling dog that wants to bite you at bay with a stick. Someone will eventually be bitten.

Do I want a war so I loss more friends, shed more tears? NO... But I do not want this drug out. ISIS is in no hurry, they can just pull back a tiny bit and be the growling dog until their chance to lunge in and bite presents itself. If airstrikes is all we are allowed then we need to destroy every offensive capability they have and arm the Kurds.

I equate what he is doing to kicking the can down the road. I use to know a Major who was the master of wiggle room, never would clearly commit. This is just making sure wiggle room exists. I can hear it now, "The President took action", "The President did what he could to avoid a war", and he did this and he didn't do that all at the same time.

Pick a side. ISIS or Kurds...

And let me help out those with their panties in a twist... Yes, I a white, redneck Repulsican... And that is the reason I constantly attack the President... Has nothing to do with his decisions...

Obama Allows Limited Airstrikes on ISIS - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/obama-weighs-military-strikes-to-aid-trapped-iraqis-officials-say.html?_r=0

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 8:43 AM ET #2

Well if his military advisors said all out you would be complaining about that.

The mess we are in falls not on Obama, this is what happens when you take out a dictator and play the democracy game as we did before Obama.

Religious fighting and hate is MUCH stronger than even the bad things which happened under Saddam.

This shows that our past leadership is either clueless or ignored what was extremely obvious to me before going into Iraq last time..it is a horrible idea to put religious groups into power in the Middle East.

SuperHappyTime

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 9:04 AM ET #3

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

This shows that our past leadership is either clueless or ignored what was extremely obvious to me before going into Iraq last time..it is a horrible idea to put religious groups into power in the Middle East.

I'd like to hear how Mr. wallstreetcappers would advise President Obama to solve this problem then.

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 9:17 AM ET #4

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Well if his military advisors said all out you would be complaining about that.

The mess we are in falls not on Obama, this is what happens when you take out a dictator and play the democracy game as we did before Obama.

Religious fighting and hate is MUCH stronger than even the bad things which happened under Saddam.

Wrong, again... Sorry... But I actually have a much better idea of what I would complain about than you do... And if The President is advised to pull out and he does I would applaud his decision. I just want him off the fence. Dragging out this situation by half measures is not what I would classify as a solution.

And I do like the way we avoid the B word but did bring up past leadership as being the reason we are in this mess... Very slick...

You don't have to fear saying: "It is all Bush's fault!!! It is all Bush's fault!!".

don juan

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 9:52 AM ET #5

Randy.... It's thinking like yours that cause all the freaking trouble, with no clue as to how to handle it. Like Bush and Cheeney did.

Remember this, both the Bush wars were limited too. G.W. sent our sons into battle without a freaking clue how to end it. Because you cannot send 140,000 troops to do a job that would take a million men into two countries.

It's either draft a million men, you or sons included. Or air strikes and let the people handle it. As Clinton did in Serbia.

So think before you go flapping your lips. Obama is correct.

ClubDirt

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 9:58 AM ET #6

i don't understand the point of more airstrikes in iraq. what are we really going to accomplish with this?

zelo123

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 10:16 AM ET #7

Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Randy.... It's thinking like yours that cause all the freaking trouble, with no clue as to how to handle it. Like Bush and Cheeney did.

It's either draft a million men, you or sons included. Or air strikes and let the people handle it. As Clinton did in Serbia.

So think before you go flapping your lips. Obama is correct.

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Listen to what he say's

Let’s hope the rest of the blacks wake up and realize what train wreck this false POTUS is causing. Apparently Ophrah Winfrey is going to be the last to come out of her fog. She said that whites who hate Obama do so because of his skin color. So, then why are these same whites routing for Ben Carson, Allen West and Mia Love?

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 10:20 AM ET #8

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

i don't understand the point of more airstrikes in iraq. what are we really going to accomplish with this?

Drag out the situation... Create wiggle room so all the bases are covered and we can claim the high ground regardless of what happens...

bunny651

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 10:37 AM ET #9

Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Randy.... It's thinking like yours that cause all the freaking trouble, with no clue as to how to handle it. Like Bush and Cheeney did.

It's either draft a million men, you or sons included. Or air strikes and let the people handle it. As Clinton did in Serbia.

So think before you go flapping your lips. Obama is correct.

Bush is not a "get out of jail free" card for Obama.

Raiders22

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:01 AM ET #10

The issue is that you cannot constantly do this. If you do it now; you will have to do it next time. If you wipe this group out, another will pop up.

To paraphrase: it is better to have given democracy a chance and lost; than to have never given it a chance.

We take out SH and try to set up/ help them try democracy. It is not for them. Best to ease on outta this deal maybe. We tried.

kaponofor3

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:05 AM ET #11

"Pick a side. ISIS or Kurds..."

Umm.... we've pretty consistently been backers/supporters of the Kurds in the North, which is part of the reason why our relationship with Turkey has deteriorated a lot since the invasion (re: PKK).

Yazidis are not Kurds btw.

kaponofor3

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:06 AM ET #12

Also, we don't exactly need to arm the Kurds. The Peshmerga is a pretty respected fighting group in the region.

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:11 AM ET #13

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

The issue is that you cannot constantly do this. If you do it now; you will have to do it next time. If you wipe this group out, another will pop up.

To paraphrase: it is better to have given democracy a chance and lost; than to have never given it a chance.

We take out SH and try to set up/ help them try democracy. It is not for them. Best to ease on outta this deal maybe. We tried.

I completely disagree with this. Some people and situations are not suited for a democracy. I dont think it ever has or will stand a chance with the current religious groups in the same area.

It was not thought out, it was a massive mistake that will not improve. Look in the region, what country there with a similar religious division is surviving or thriving without a dictator?

Giving it a try was absurd, you cannot give it a try without a 20 year plan in place once you "give it a try".

It shows that we are full of ourselves to think our philosophy with regards to government would work there.

ClubDirt

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:19 AM ET #14

give democracy a chance = interfere with other people's problems with little to no chance of success in order to rack of a huge bill for taxpayers so government contractors can make a shitload of money.

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:35 AM ET #15

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

give democracy a chance = interfere with other people's problems with little to no chance of success in order to rack of a huge bill for taxpayers so government contractors can make a shitload of money.

This is reality..

Anyone with an understanding of history and religious fighting would know the LAST thing you want to do is take out someone who was muting the religious fighting and then put in a leader of the religious minority as head of the country.

It is so moronic that I wonder if anyone in charge has any intelligence.

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:37 AM ET #16

Quote Originally Posted by SuperHappyTime:

I'd like to hear how Mr. wallstreetcappers would advise President Obama to solve this problem then.

I would advise him that the previous administration just punched you a 20 year headache ticket and if you dont want things to get worse you have to plan on occupying the entire region for a decade PLUS..and be prepared to lose 5x more soldiers because trying to "nicely" keep the religious sects from killing each other is pretty much impossible.

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:40 AM ET #17

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

I completely disagree with this. Some people and situations are not suited for a democracy. I dont think it ever has or will stand a chance with the current religious groups in the same area.

It was not thought out, it was a massive mistake that will not improve. Look in the region, what country there with a similar religious division is surviving or thriving without a dictator?

Giving it a try was absurd, you cannot give it a try without a 20 year plan in place once you "give it a try".

It shows that we are full of ourselves to think our philosophy with regards to government would work there.

Absolutely!!! Especially the first and last paragraph...

I love the... Because we are America we are smarter than you... attitude... Especially when dealing with societies that are thousands of years older than ours...

kaponofor3

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:41 AM ET #18

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

I completely disagree with this. Some people and situations are not suited for a democracy. I dont think it ever has or will stand a chance with the current religious groups in the same area.

It was not thought out, it was a massive mistake that will not improve. Look in the region, what country there with a similar religious division is surviving or thriving without a dictator?

Giving it a try was absurd, you cannot give it a try without a 20 year plan in place once you "give it a try".

It shows that we are full of ourselves to think our philosophy with regards to government would work there.

Out of curiosity WSC, what do you see as the potential solution? Is it either "back one group to allow them to commit genocide (i.e. Hutu-Tutsi) against the other religious group" or just stay out, keep our noses clean, and watch atrocity after revenge killing after massacre pile up and cheer on the Saudi-Iranian proxy war from the sidelines?

I don't know if "non-intervention" is the solution.

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:41 AM ET #19

ClubDirt

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:43 AM ET #20

Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Out of curiosity WSC, what do you see as the potential solution? Is it either "back one group to allow them to commit genocide (i.e. Hutu-Tutsi) against the other religious group" or just stay out, keep our noses clean, and watch atrocity after revenge killing after massacre pile up and cheer on the Saudi-Iranian proxy war from the sidelines?

I don't know if "non-intervention" is the solution.

why does there have to be a solution?

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 11:45 AM ET #21

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

So, why go in at all or do anything???

wallstreetcappers

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 12:08 PM ET #22

Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:

So, why go in at all or do anything???

We caused this..

So you would rather invade, put in a religious leader as government head and just watch the massive death toll go up up up?

This was 100% our fault..how about we realize this and fix our mistakes?

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 12:10 PM ET #23

I dont think siding with a religious group helps stop anything..what it does is tick off the other side and probably other countries who have citizens who are of that belief.

I think about the only thing that works in certain areas is a non-religious iron fist that keeps ALL groups in check. I dont like that solution but sometimes doing what is best for all trumps what might be lost by a few.

There is no reasoning with religious zealots..they will fight until they die or the other side dies, that is the only end in their minds.

kaponofor3

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 12:23 PM ET #24

Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

why does there have to be a solution?

I mean I guess there doesn't? Doing nothing is always an option, but doing nothing in this situation will lead to a bucketload more deaths. Not sure if that is what we are looking for (unless someone is an overpopulation freak)

Randisist

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Posted: Aug. 8, 2014 - 12:29 PM ET #25

Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

I dont think siding with a religious group helps stop anything..what it does is tick off the other side and probably other countries who have citizens who are of that belief.

There is no reasoning with religious zealots..they will fight until they die or the other side dies, that is the only end in their minds.

I thought McCain was a war hawk until now... I so stand corrected...

Please do not take offense, but I really hope you never run for President. I fear we would see WWIII in my lifetime.

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