refresh my memory.... has there been any female successful world leader??? I can only call thatcher of England and they don't scare anyone
Golda Meir comes to mind rather quickly along with Thatcher. Both of them would qualify. But for sure men have held the leadership roles for so long --- and how many of them percentage-wise would qualify?
Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:
refresh my memory.... has there been any female successful world leader??? I can only call thatcher of England and they don't scare anyone
Golda Meir comes to mind rather quickly along with Thatcher. Both of them would qualify. But for sure men have held the leadership roles for so long --- and how many of them percentage-wise would qualify?
QUOTE Originally Posted by scooby-doos: refresh my memory.... has there been any female successful world leader??? I can only call thatcher of England and they don't scare anyone Golda Meir comes to mind rather quickly along with Thatcher. Both of them would qualify. But for sure men have held the leadership roles for so long --- and how many of them percentage-wise would qualify?
That name came to mind immediately. Thanx for remembering. you must be as old as I am, lol. The children probably don't know who we are talking about.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
QUOTE Originally Posted by scooby-doos: refresh my memory.... has there been any female successful world leader??? I can only call thatcher of England and they don't scare anyone Golda Meir comes to mind rather quickly along with Thatcher. Both of them would qualify. But for sure men have held the leadership roles for so long --- and how many of them percentage-wise would qualify?
That name came to mind immediately. Thanx for remembering. you must be as old as I am, lol. The children probably don't know who we are talking about.
RAiders I clarified what I meant by admirable - those that show basically that you’re a good person with a good set of morals
I even listed some examples for you
And you still couldn’t attribute any to him......
Nope none of the ones you chose, maybe. But plenty that experts called 'admirable traits' do. You can choose your definition of admirable. That is fine. But all leaders, be they good or bad folks, have some of the admirable traits. They wouldn't get so far along in life if they didn't. That's the point.
Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:
RAiders I clarified what I meant by admirable - those that show basically that you’re a good person with a good set of morals
I even listed some examples for you
And you still couldn’t attribute any to him......
Nope none of the ones you chose, maybe. But plenty that experts called 'admirable traits' do. You can choose your definition of admirable. That is fine. But all leaders, be they good or bad folks, have some of the admirable traits. They wouldn't get so far along in life if they didn't. That's the point.
Ok let’s lose the subjective word ‘admirable’ so you can stop diverting
In my opinion Trump has none of the qualities that define you as a fundamentally decent person
Humility
Kindness
Empathy
Generosity
Tact
Integrity
Honesty
Fairness
Graciousness
Etc
His actions, heck his tweets alone, have shown that his personality is quite the opposite of all of the above
If you disagree show me examples. And any comments about him being a businessman are irrelevant - he must be judged as a president not a businessman
That in itself means he is unfit to lead America, irrespective of anything else he achieves
Yes. Now you divert to your meaning of a 'good person'. So, obviously, I can't disagree with that --- it is your opinion. So, I am okay with that. I was simply disagreeing with you cherry-picking and saying he didn't have traits of a leader, which he obviously does. So, two entirely different issues. No biggie -- you can be right about which traits you prefer in a person.
Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:
Ok let’s lose the subjective word ‘admirable’ so you can stop diverting
In my opinion Trump has none of the qualities that define you as a fundamentally decent person
Humility
Kindness
Empathy
Generosity
Tact
Integrity
Honesty
Fairness
Graciousness
Etc
His actions, heck his tweets alone, have shown that his personality is quite the opposite of all of the above
If you disagree show me examples. And any comments about him being a businessman are irrelevant - he must be judged as a president not a businessman
That in itself means he is unfit to lead America, irrespective of anything else he achieves
Yes. Now you divert to your meaning of a 'good person'. So, obviously, I can't disagree with that --- it is your opinion. So, I am okay with that. I was simply disagreeing with you cherry-picking and saying he didn't have traits of a leader, which he obviously does. So, two entirely different issues. No biggie -- you can be right about which traits you prefer in a person.
I never said that he didn’t have traits of a leader as he clearly does, almost by definition as he is POTUS
But he can never be someone who leads your country to a good place because at a personal level he has, as measured by the above characteristics, not a shred of decency in him
So irrespective of economic success or otherwise, America is doomed to a short term future at least that is divided, divisive, ignorant, intolerant, isolationist and encouraging of these traits in its people
I never said that he didn’t have traits of a leader as he clearly does, almost by definition as he is POTUS
But he can never be someone who leads your country to a good place because at a personal level he has, as measured by the above characteristics, not a shred of decency in him
So irrespective of economic success or otherwise, America is doomed to a short term future at least that is divided, divisive, ignorant, intolerant, isolationist and encouraging of these traits in its people
Ok let’s lose the subjective word ‘admirable’ so you can stop diverting
In my opinion Trump has none of the qualities that define you as a fundamentally decent person
Humility
Kindness
Empathy
Generosity
Tact
Integrity
Honesty
Fairness
Graciousness
Etc
His actions, heck his tweets alone, have shown that his personality is quite the opposite of all of the above
If you disagree show me examples. And any comments about him being a businessman are irrelevant - he must be judged as a president not a businessman
That in itself means he is unfit to lead America, irrespective of anything else he achieves
Great analysis. Several professionals (psychologists/psychiatrists/university professors) have diagnosed Trump as a "narcissistic sociopath." He is also a serial sexual predator, so it came as no surprise when he enthusiastically endorsed Roy Moore, his vile kindred spirit.
Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:
Ok let’s lose the subjective word ‘admirable’ so you can stop diverting
In my opinion Trump has none of the qualities that define you as a fundamentally decent person
Humility
Kindness
Empathy
Generosity
Tact
Integrity
Honesty
Fairness
Graciousness
Etc
His actions, heck his tweets alone, have shown that his personality is quite the opposite of all of the above
If you disagree show me examples. And any comments about him being a businessman are irrelevant - he must be judged as a president not a businessman
That in itself means he is unfit to lead America, irrespective of anything else he achieves
Great analysis. Several professionals (psychologists/psychiatrists/university professors) have diagnosed Trump as a "narcissistic sociopath." He is also a serial sexual predator, so it came as no surprise when he enthusiastically endorsed Roy Moore, his vile kindred spirit.
By “enthusiastically” do mean endorsed Big Luther?
Yes, that was first, when Luther looked like a winner. Trump doesn't like to be associated with losers.
He's all about winning and never backing down or seeking any sort of conciliation. Combined with a vicious temper and an undying lust for vengeance, those are dangerous traits for anybody wielding a great amount of political and military power.
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By “enthusiastically” do mean endorsed Big Luther?
Yes, that was first, when Luther looked like a winner. Trump doesn't like to be associated with losers.
He's all about winning and never backing down or seeking any sort of conciliation. Combined with a vicious temper and an undying lust for vengeance, those are dangerous traits for anybody wielding a great amount of political and military power.
Yes, that was first, when Luther looked like a winner. Trump doesn't like to be associated with losers.
He's all about winning and never backing down or seeking any sort of conciliation. Combined with a vicious temper and an undying lust for vengeance, those are dangerous traits for anybody wielding a great amount of political and military power.
That is actually a pretty accurate profile of hrc, is it not? I hadnt heard of trumps vicious temper, hers is legendary.
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Yes, that was first, when Luther looked like a winner. Trump doesn't like to be associated with losers.
He's all about winning and never backing down or seeking any sort of conciliation. Combined with a vicious temper and an undying lust for vengeance, those are dangerous traits for anybody wielding a great amount of political and military power.
That is actually a pretty accurate profile of hrc, is it not? I hadnt heard of trumps vicious temper, hers is legendary.
Hockey, Hillary is not in office. Trump is. To defend him by claiming that his opponent from last year is in your view equally lacking is no defence at all
Hockey, Hillary is not in office. Trump is. To defend him by claiming that his opponent from last year is in your view equally lacking is no defence at all
You are a riot. Its your list. Your list to determine if a person is righteous, you produced this list after admitting you would vote for hillary. Now if you admit you would vote for hillary but not trump because he doesnt pass your "test of righteousness", by logical extension you must feel hillary possess most of these righteous characteristics, or she would not have received your support correct?
Your list, your comparison. Sorta tru ish?
You are a riot. Its your list. Your list to determine if a person is righteous, you produced this list after admitting you would vote for hillary. Now if you admit you would vote for hillary but not trump because he doesnt pass your "test of righteousness", by logical extension you must feel hillary possess most of these righteous characteristics, or she would not have received your support correct?
I believe Hillary was a poor candidate with a lot of questions about her integrity. You have my sympathy in having to choose between them
But these doubts about Hillary pale in comparison to the character of the man in office
And even his supporters know he has no decency, because their only defence of him, you included, is to point to deficiencies of others. Nothing about his own positives because none exist
Not much of a defence is it?
WAS that supposed to be a logical deduction?
Let’s try again
I believe Hillary was a poor candidate with a lot of questions about her integrity. You have my sympathy in having to choose between them
But these doubts about Hillary pale in comparison to the character of the man in office
And even his supporters know he has no decency, because their only defence of him, you included, is to point to deficiencies of others. Nothing about his own positives because none exist
HockeyTeeth you asked if I would have voted for Hillary over Trump
Yes I would
She had many flaws and is likely guilty of most of the sins that are so prevalent in politics these days (last fifty years plus!)
But she, like most politicians, also has some ideals hidden in there somewhere, ideals which would limit her nefarious activities somewhat
Trump not only does deals like all politicians, he had no ideals as a base. He did not enter office with a dream that he’s had to dilute. He had no dream for his party or his country
Point me to a single example in his personal business or political life where he has shown any qualities to be admired. A single one please?
He exists to please himself and not his country. Nothing more
I dare you or anyone to show me otherwise
This is the only part I was replying to. Not disagreeing with you on the bad ones. But you simply cannot ignore the good ones. It is disingenuous.
Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:
HockeyTeeth you asked if I would have voted for Hillary over Trump
Yes I would
She had many flaws and is likely guilty of most of the sins that are so prevalent in politics these days (last fifty years plus!)
But she, like most politicians, also has some ideals hidden in there somewhere, ideals which would limit her nefarious activities somewhat
Trump not only does deals like all politicians, he had no ideals as a base. He did not enter office with a dream that he’s had to dilute. He had no dream for his party or his country
Point me to a single example in his personal business or political life where he has shown any qualities to be admired. A single one please?
He exists to please himself and not his country. Nothing more
I dare you or anyone to show me otherwise
This is the only part I was replying to. Not disagreeing with you on the bad ones. But you simply cannot ignore the good ones. It is disingenuous.
I believe Hillary was a poor candidate with a lot of questions about her integrity. You have my sympathy in having to choose between them
But these doubts about Hillary pale in comparison to the character of the man in office
And even his supporters know he has no decency, because their only defence of him, you included, is to point to deficiencies of others. Nothing about his own positives because none exist
Not much of a defence is it?
Its not a defense. You ignored my original answer, you asked any trump supporter to give one admirable quality. I gave you one. You didnt reply to the actual post just brought up a list of qualities you feel make a person decent. Anyways im not really responsive to "trump shaming". We will just agree to disagree.
Who do you like in the n eng pit gm?
Quote Originally Posted by Ramanujan:
WAS that supposed to be a logical deduction?
Let’s try again
I believe Hillary was a poor candidate with a lot of questions about her integrity. You have my sympathy in having to choose between them
But these doubts about Hillary pale in comparison to the character of the man in office
And even his supporters know he has no decency, because their only defence of him, you included, is to point to deficiencies of others. Nothing about his own positives because none exist
Not much of a defence is it?
Its not a defense. You ignored my original answer, you asked any trump supporter to give one admirable quality. I gave you one. You didnt reply to the actual post just brought up a list of qualities you feel make a person decent. Anyways im not really responsive to "trump shaming". We will just agree to disagree.