So to you "value " is only monetary? I understand your immaturity now.
You singled out "solicit" but you failed to acknowledge the context, when you see the totality of the context in which the word solicit is used, you will see the words contribution or donation come after, if applied to legal precedent, the words contribution or donation apply to money or material objects that have cash value, so in order to be charged with soliciting, you must be exchanging something that is a material object that has cash value. Show me one single case law, just one case law, where a judge defines a thing of value is anything other than a material object?
The emails show no exchange of goods or services as terms for the meeting. The only side to commit actual crimes is liberals. A DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with the DNC, team Hillary, and the Ukrainian embassy, and met with Ukrainian government officials, Ukrainian Ambassador Valeriy Chaly and one of his aides, Oksara Shulyar at the Ukrainian Embassy and also met journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort to give to the DNC and Hillary team. Real treason!
Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
So to you "value " is only monetary? I understand your immaturity now.
You singled out "solicit" but you failed to acknowledge the context, when you see the totality of the context in which the word solicit is used, you will see the words contribution or donation come after, if applied to legal precedent, the words contribution or donation apply to money or material objects that have cash value, so in order to be charged with soliciting, you must be exchanging something that is a material object that has cash value. Show me one single case law, just one case law, where a judge defines a thing of value is anything other than a material object?
The emails show no exchange of goods or services as terms for the meeting. The only side to commit actual crimes is liberals. A DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with the DNC, team Hillary, and the Ukrainian embassy, and met with Ukrainian government officials, Ukrainian Ambassador Valeriy Chaly and one of his aides, Oksara Shulyar at the Ukrainian Embassy and also met journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort to give to the DNC and Hillary team. Real treason!
The only people taking this serious is the media, primarily CNN Leading absolutely nowhere except in their ratings
just another nitpickin' witch-hunt, orchestrated by the Democratic party, thinking somehow they're going to dis-mantle the Trump administation good luck, you'll need it!
The only people taking this serious is the media, primarily CNN Leading absolutely nowhere except in their ratings
just another nitpickin' witch-hunt, orchestrated by the Democratic party, thinking somehow they're going to dis-mantle the Trump administation good luck, you'll need it!
WOW, it's starting to look like there were more people at jr's meeting than daddy's inauguration .
It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
WOW, it's starting to look like there were more people at jr's meeting than daddy's inauguration .
It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
Money- blaming Lynch is a special type of propaganda
I dare you to find one thing in his post that wasn't factual. We both know you can't answer the question without quickly pivoting. Better yet you won't because you can't answer the question.
Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:
Money- blaming Lynch is a special type of propaganda
I dare you to find one thing in his post that wasn't factual. We both know you can't answer the question without quickly pivoting. Better yet you won't because you can't answer the question.
1) It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
2) She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
3) It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
4) You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
1) what is getting worse for "Liberals" ?
It's easy to go from pro-anyone to anti-anyone
what does that prove ?
Did Natalia Veselnitskaya ever meet with/ever email Hillary Clinton campaign staff to help Presidential Candidate Clinton win the Election ?
In the email introduction setting up her meeting with Donald Trump Jr, she was referred to as a “Russian government attorney” with sensitive information on Hillary Clinton.
2) Do you really know who Natalia Veselnitskaya is ?
I am struggling to understand your point.
Former NSC Special Assistant Michael McFaul’s 2014 HFAC Hearing was about the terms and conditions that Russia needs to meet in order for the United States to lift the sanctions against it.
See Testimony report here: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA00/20160614/105061/HHRG-114-FA00-Wstate-McFaulM-20160614.pdf
Veselnitskaya has a long history of fighting against the sanctions placed by the U.S. against Russia.
She represented Denis Katsyv, a Russian businessman accused of laundering a portion of the proceeds from a $230m tax fraud uncovered by the lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, who later died in jail and whose name was used in the sanctions act (Magnitsky Act)
3) Putin called the Magnitsky Act "outrageous" upon its signing by President Barack Obama in 2012, and created his own anti-Magnitsky blacklist of US citizens that included US Attorney Preet Bharara. Bharara, known as the Sheriff of Wall Street for his dogged pursuit of organized crime and money laundering in Manhattan, was fired by Trump earlier this year.
Oh the $230 million Russian tax-fraud scheme, uncovered by Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky on behalf of investment advisory firm Hermitage Capital, was also settled for 6 millions dollars
In this affidavit filed in United States District Court Southern District of New York
Veselnitskaya complained about her difficulty in obtaining the ability to travel to the United States to assist in her clients defense. She was issued humanitarian parole in 2015 to come to New York for the case, but it was set to expire in 2016.
According to US Homeland Security, Veselnitskaya was allowed to enter the United States on multiple occasions between September 2015 and February 2016
so she could participate in a court case for a client. The request was done “in concurrence” with the U.S. attorney's office in New York City, which was enforcing a civil asset forfeiture case against Prevezon Holdings, a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, whom Veselnitskaya represented as a private attorney in their home country.
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
1) It keeps getting worse for liberals. It turns out Natalia Veselnitskaya is anti-Trump. There are photos on her Facebook timeline showing her to be anti-Trump. Her Facebook album has several photos with her at an anti-Trump march.
Not only does she have anti-Trump items on her Facebook page, she has several pro-Hillary Clinton items on her Facebook timeline.
2) She also was spotted sitting in the first row of a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, 5 days after the Trump Jr meeting.
3) It gets worse. Former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums, a radical left-wing extremist, works for Natalia Veselnitskaya.
4) You may ask how exactly did Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, get into the country? After she was denied a U.S. visa, then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch personally intervened and cleared the way for her to come to the United States.
It’s interesting that Natalia Veselnitskaya, supposedly a sinister agent of Putin, wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when Obama's administration and Loretta Lynch gave her a special exemption to come into the United States, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she was at a congressional hearing, sitting with Obama officials, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she hired democrat Ron Dellums, she wasn’t a sinister agent of Putin when she worked with democrat linked Fusion GPS, but she suddenly becomes a sinister agent of Putin when she meets with Trump Jr.
1) what is getting worse for "Liberals" ?
It's easy to go from pro-anyone to anti-anyone
what does that prove ?
Did Natalia Veselnitskaya ever meet with/ever email Hillary Clinton campaign staff to help Presidential Candidate Clinton win the Election ?
In the email introduction setting up her meeting with Donald Trump Jr, she was referred to as a “Russian government attorney” with sensitive information on Hillary Clinton.
2) Do you really know who Natalia Veselnitskaya is ?
I am struggling to understand your point.
Former NSC Special Assistant Michael McFaul’s 2014 HFAC Hearing was about the terms and conditions that Russia needs to meet in order for the United States to lift the sanctions against it.
See Testimony report here: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA00/20160614/105061/HHRG-114-FA00-Wstate-McFaulM-20160614.pdf
Veselnitskaya has a long history of fighting against the sanctions placed by the U.S. against Russia.
She represented Denis Katsyv, a Russian businessman accused of laundering a portion of the proceeds from a $230m tax fraud uncovered by the lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, who later died in jail and whose name was used in the sanctions act (Magnitsky Act)
3) Putin called the Magnitsky Act "outrageous" upon its signing by President Barack Obama in 2012, and created his own anti-Magnitsky blacklist of US citizens that included US Attorney Preet Bharara. Bharara, known as the Sheriff of Wall Street for his dogged pursuit of organized crime and money laundering in Manhattan, was fired by Trump earlier this year.
Oh the $230 million Russian tax-fraud scheme, uncovered by Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky on behalf of investment advisory firm Hermitage Capital, was also settled for 6 millions dollars
In this affidavit filed in United States District Court Southern District of New York
Veselnitskaya complained about her difficulty in obtaining the ability to travel to the United States to assist in her clients defense. She was issued humanitarian parole in 2015 to come to New York for the case, but it was set to expire in 2016.
According to US Homeland Security, Veselnitskaya was allowed to enter the United States on multiple occasions between September 2015 and February 2016
so she could participate in a court case for a client. The request was done “in concurrence” with the U.S. attorney's office in New York City, which was enforcing a civil asset forfeiture case against Prevezon Holdings, a company owned by Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, whom Veselnitskaya represented as a private attorney in their home country.
I dare you to find one thing in his post that wasn't factual. We both know you can't answer the question without quickly pivoting. Better yet you won't because you can't answer the question.
see Post # 112
Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:
I dare you to find one thing in his post that wasn't factual. We both know you can't answer the question without quickly pivoting. Better yet you won't because you can't answer the question.
Says the guy who has never said a nice word about Trump. What is one thing you like about your POTUS.
Why is this the only president in history that needs to hear "nice things" about himself? It's like he's a 5-year old. Does he need a juice box too? A nap? Does he have a little board where he gets gold stars for being a good pres? The office of POTUS should be respected and I feel President Trump doesn't get the respect that he deserves but as far as being liked? There's always gonna be some who don't like the president regardless of who holds the office.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:
Says the guy who has never said a nice word about Trump. What is one thing you like about your POTUS.
Why is this the only president in history that needs to hear "nice things" about himself? It's like he's a 5-year old. Does he need a juice box too? A nap? Does he have a little board where he gets gold stars for being a good pres? The office of POTUS should be respected and I feel President Trump doesn't get the respect that he deserves but as far as being liked? There's always gonna be some who don't like the president regardless of who holds the office.
And Wall is right. The whole "liberals are this" "conservatives are that" dialogue is ridiculous. There are intelligent people on both sides. There are complete idiots on both sides. There are discerning minds on both sides. There are complete sheep who believe anything their party, or media that is skewed towards their party, tells them. This site is full of hypocrites who will accuse one side of doing this or that then turn around and do the exact same thing yet on the other side of the political coin. "Your media is full of lies and you're stupid for believing in it." only to turn around and quote some alternative media source.
R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
And Wall is right. The whole "liberals are this" "conservatives are that" dialogue is ridiculous. There are intelligent people on both sides. There are complete idiots on both sides. There are discerning minds on both sides. There are complete sheep who believe anything their party, or media that is skewed towards their party, tells them. This site is full of hypocrites who will accuse one side of doing this or that then turn around and do the exact same thing yet on the other side of the political coin. "Your media is full of lies and you're stupid for believing in it." only to turn around and quote some alternative media source.
The thread title in itself :WHY ARE ALL YOU RIGHTIES SO QUIET ABOUT jrs. E-MAILS.
...and the popcorn eater only emoticon... in the first post set the tone of the discourse in this thread...that's the real tell..
You seriously want to compare the two posters in how they treat the "opponent"?
I find it pathetic that you always have time to chime in to be critical and like some of your party folks here, will blindly support anyone that shares your political view even if they are angry, bitter and unpleasant...much like Trump.
Money is one of the most angry, bitter, unpleasant posters in this forum. I dont mind someone disagreeing with me, no problem at all but the levels to which he despises others who do not share his viewpoint is just really pathetic.
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
The thread title in itself :WHY ARE ALL YOU RIGHTIES SO QUIET ABOUT jrs. E-MAILS.
...and the popcorn eater only emoticon... in the first post set the tone of the discourse in this thread...that's the real tell..
You seriously want to compare the two posters in how they treat the "opponent"?
I find it pathetic that you always have time to chime in to be critical and like some of your party folks here, will blindly support anyone that shares your political view even if they are angry, bitter and unpleasant...much like Trump.
Money is one of the most angry, bitter, unpleasant posters in this forum. I dont mind someone disagreeing with me, no problem at all but the levels to which he despises others who do not share his viewpoint is just really pathetic.
And Wall is right. The whole "liberals are this" "conservatives are that" dialogue is ridiculous. There are intelligent people on both sides. There are complete idiots on both sides. There are discerning minds on both sides. There are complete sheep who believe anything their party, or media that is skewed towards their party, tells them. This site is full of hypocrites who will accuse one side of doing this or that then turn around and do the exact same thing yet on the other side of the political coin. "Your media is full of lies and you're stupid for believing in it." only to turn around and quote some alternative media source.
Correct...that is exactly the point. I am thrilled to debate content and discuss differences in viewpoints but it really seems difficult for many here, if not most to do so in a way that is respectful and constructive. When many (if not most) blindly follow their party and dismiss awful disgusting people and behavior, I dont have respect for that at all. Ignoring a disgusting act or person to protect your political position is just as bad as the person or act in question...
Oh and deflecting is the weakest rebuttal in the history of politics, nothing like the "Obama was worse or Pelosi did this" fall back reply, that is the greatest.
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
And Wall is right. The whole "liberals are this" "conservatives are that" dialogue is ridiculous. There are intelligent people on both sides. There are complete idiots on both sides. There are discerning minds on both sides. There are complete sheep who believe anything their party, or media that is skewed towards their party, tells them. This site is full of hypocrites who will accuse one side of doing this or that then turn around and do the exact same thing yet on the other side of the political coin. "Your media is full of lies and you're stupid for believing in it." only to turn around and quote some alternative media source.
Correct...that is exactly the point. I am thrilled to debate content and discuss differences in viewpoints but it really seems difficult for many here, if not most to do so in a way that is respectful and constructive. When many (if not most) blindly follow their party and dismiss awful disgusting people and behavior, I dont have respect for that at all. Ignoring a disgusting act or person to protect your political position is just as bad as the person or act in question...
Oh and deflecting is the weakest rebuttal in the history of politics, nothing like the "Obama was worse or Pelosi did this" fall back reply, that is the greatest.
Wallstreetcappers - You are the covers safe space police. I’m not going
to get into an argument with you. For me to do so would be forum poster
suicide. I would love to engage in debate man to man at a covers
gathering in Las Vegas sometime.
ilsp2003 - 1.
Did Natalia Veselnitskaya ever meet with/ever email Hillary Clinton
campaign staff to help Presidential Candidate Clinton win the Election?
No. Why would she? She works with and for pro-Hillary democrats. No
need for her to meet when she already has ties to democrats.
“Russian government attorney” Everything
in Russia is state controlled. In other words, no one can do his or her
own thing because the Russian government is in control of everything.
Every attorney in Russia technically works for the government.
2. Do you really know who Natalia Veselnitskaya is?
Yes. She is an anti-trump, pro-Clinton,
Russian-activist-lobbyist-lawyer, that lobbies against the Magnitsky
Act, who hires democrats, who works with fusion GPS democrats, who was
spotted at a congressional hearing sitting with Obama officials, and who
was given a special waiver by Obama’s justice department and Loretta
Lynch.
3. Number is a bunch of pointless gibberish.
Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
see Post # 112
Wallstreetcappers - You are the covers safe space police. I’m not going
to get into an argument with you. For me to do so would be forum poster
suicide. I would love to engage in debate man to man at a covers
gathering in Las Vegas sometime.
ilsp2003 - 1.
Did Natalia Veselnitskaya ever meet with/ever email Hillary Clinton
campaign staff to help Presidential Candidate Clinton win the Election?
No. Why would she? She works with and for pro-Hillary democrats. No
need for her to meet when she already has ties to democrats.
“Russian government attorney” Everything
in Russia is state controlled. In other words, no one can do his or her
own thing because the Russian government is in control of everything.
Every attorney in Russia technically works for the government.
2. Do you really know who Natalia Veselnitskaya is?
Yes. She is an anti-trump, pro-Clinton,
Russian-activist-lobbyist-lawyer, that lobbies against the Magnitsky
Act, who hires democrats, who works with fusion GPS democrats, who was
spotted at a congressional hearing sitting with Obama officials, and who
was given a special waiver by Obama’s justice department and Loretta
Lynch.
I do not enjoy debating with angry, rude partisan people on either side.
You are not interested in debate at all, you seem to completely lack the ability to discuss a differing viewpoint without degrading to personal attacks and childish behavior.
If you call safe police someone who wants all to respect and act in an adult fashion then yeah I am the safe police.
It is unfortunate though, for all the people and all the threads, real debate rarely happens here...most people are incapable of discussing a difference of opinion with respect and class.
Tough guy loud mouth "Lets meet in Vegas" or "Committing forum suicide" comments are just in line with your lack of class in how you interact with others.
Money,
I do not enjoy debating with angry, rude partisan people on either side.
You are not interested in debate at all, you seem to completely lack the ability to discuss a differing viewpoint without degrading to personal attacks and childish behavior.
If you call safe police someone who wants all to respect and act in an adult fashion then yeah I am the safe police.
It is unfortunate though, for all the people and all the threads, real debate rarely happens here...most people are incapable of discussing a difference of opinion with respect and class.
Tough guy loud mouth "Lets meet in Vegas" or "Committing forum suicide" comments are just in line with your lack of class in how you interact with others.
Liberals are a special kind of stupid, right? To blame Trump when it was democrats in charge
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