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#1
If this occurs this is sad across the board. But was also as predictable as anything out there.
I hope this does inflict as much negative as bad as it seems it will.
who would suffer the most
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#5
Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-trump-supporters-20170312-story.html
If this occurs this is sad across the board. But was also as predictable as anything out there.
I hope this does inflict as much negative as bad as it seems it will.
yes this repeal will give democrats donot worry your pretty little activist head over... it is a work over generational progress.
however more immediate concerns.. for $$$$$...
sudan neeeds grain product, iowa would love to ship... nnecessary to move with hand truck or fork lift roughly a us ton stacked 50 lbs of 40 bags possiply some pulp to build the stock could be afforded to mesinites 8 foot pulp hard wood or soft wood needed so iowa can place ethenol grain bin to sudan food supply
ot a tree in iowa,not has many to donate.
but they need a garbage ton of wooden structures to place grain on so shipping equipment can address the 48 by 40 pallet
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#10
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Millions of Americans would lose health insurance coverage under GOP replacement of Obamacare according to Congress budget office and Brookings institution. Also it would cost federal government additional $600 billion over a decade according to Joint Committee on taxation.
Millions of Americans would lose health insurance coverage under GOP replacement of Obamacare according to Congress budget office and Brookings institution. Also it would cost federal government additional $600 billion over a decade according to Joint Committee on taxation.
I do not claim in anyway to even remotely understand all of the ramifications - either good or bad. but everything that I have heard and read from the media, to lay people, to doctors, to the recent official reports from the government agencies involved, to even the president of the AHA (American Hospital association president) - a guy who oversees 500 hospitals in the US. Is that this is an epic disaster waiting to happen.
It is telling when only the people who have vocally supported this are the ones (individuals and insurance company - i.e. anthem) and CEOS of major companies involved who stand to make an insane amount of profit from this.
shame on us. a real shame.
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#11
Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
And nature - once again your post has me confused. How does it relate???
And nature - once again your post has me confused. How does it relate???
ok you are obviously have an understanding to question?
so I'll set (in baseball terms after the zip of the fast ball i will then throw a curve,)
first is this a splinter or full triage moment,
how does this begin to address the entire scale of scale misery inflicted on many by a few.
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#12
Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
I do not claim in anyway to even remotely understand all of the ramifications - either good or bad. but everything that I have heard and read from the media, to lay people, to doctors, to the recent official reports from the government agencies involved, to even the president of the AHA (American Hospital association president) - a guy who oversees 500 hospitals in the US. Is that this is an epic disaster waiting to happen.
It is telling when only the people who have vocally supported this are the ones (individuals and insurance company - i.e. anthem) and CEOS of major companies involved who stand to make an insane amount of profit from this.
shame on us. a real shame.
Yeah but a lot of rich people get tax breaks so that makes it ok,
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#13
Remember creative writing class when you actual thought and pondered of the retionilioztion of this.....
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make a heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
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#14
Burk´ism
| n. | 1. | The practice of killing persons for the purpose of selling their bodies for dissection. @ word myth, Edmond Burke... disposition American War of Independence[edit]Burke expressed his support for the grievances of the American Colonies under the government of King George III and his appointed representatives. On 19 April 1774 Burke made a speech, "On American Taxation" (published in January 1775), on a motion to repeal the tea duty: |
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#16
You have claimed in previous posts to be an educator.
and you claim to worry in this thread of "suffering"
there is grain that can be shipped to pending Humanitarian crisis that usa has pledged but it needs to be bagged and loaded on pallets.
hence wood pallets are needed. they can be made for 2.30 in material one 5/4 decking rough sawn hardwood, at 12 feet in length for rails, and 6 40 inch pallets top and four on bottom,
a dasto cut of 1 inch in for nine inches from 6 inches from ends of 48 rails placed with 1 by 5 rough sawn timber for decking constructs the pallets that iowa needs for food for sudan project
you benevolent Pope Francis has asked for but as a hole in bucket yarns...
not many trees in Iowa, lots of campaign head quarter stake outs but not a tree available for the pallets necessary.....
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#18
The important thing to understand is the current system is unsustainable.
Personally, I'd like to see them take some time and get this right and phase whatever system in rather than rush and leave people out in the cold with no time to react. If they phase it in and make whatever changes with much advance notice that would be optimal.
A previous poster mis-characterized the effects I believe.
What difference does it make if the government loses $600 billion in tax revenue if they save 2 trillion in expenses?
Lets not forget that the current system is in a death spiral.
I think that Insurance companies being able to sell across state lines will be somewhat significant over time.
Much of the coverage that is currently offered is NOT the Cadillac type plans anyway.
So what if 20 million people choose to not be covered by plans that have a 5 thousand dollar deductible anyway? Those plans are almost worthless anyway and the media has fooled you into believing that they were better than they are.
Personally, I'd like to see them take some time and get this right and phase whatever system in rather than rush and leave people out in the cold with no time to react. If they phase it in and make whatever changes with much advance notice that would be optimal.
A previous poster mis-characterized the effects I believe.
What difference does it make if the government loses $600 billion in tax revenue if they save 2 trillion in expenses?
Lets not forget that the current system is in a death spiral.
I think that Insurance companies being able to sell across state lines will be somewhat significant over time.
Much of the coverage that is currently offered is NOT the Cadillac type plans anyway.
So what if 20 million people choose to not be covered by plans that have a 5 thousand dollar deductible anyway? Those plans are almost worthless anyway and the media has fooled you into believing that they were better than they are.
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#19
Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/the-gops-obamacare-replacement-is-a-disaster-for-some-of-its-most-loyal-voters/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.acf2ca56cba2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/the-gops-obamacare-replacement-is-a-disaster-for-some-of-its-most-loyal-voters/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.acf2ca56cba2
Heard from the CNN, Trump base in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee... gets hit hard from the repeal.
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#20
Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:
Rather sad that they had ample time to get this right yet still screw it up
Shouldn't be long before some Trumpanzees pipe in purporting this as fake news
Millions will get kicked out of health insurance by this GOP replacement plan, many of them will die. Those millions who lost their insurance will turn their backs on GOP forever, 2018 mid-term election might trounce GOP.
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#21
Amazing how so soon after the GOP released it's first phase of repeal/replace that so many 'experts' have already figured out that millions of people will die because of no health care, the national debt will increase ten fold, and large corporations will rake in billions of dollars.
Shouldn't it be pointed out that these are the same experts who claimed that Obamacare would not be a financial drain on the entire system?
I don't back this new plan simply because I don't understand all the yings and yangs of it. But I know enough to stay neutral on something that is far beyond my ability to comprehend, and not react to what the media wants me to think about it, or some non-partisan group who was previously dead wrong on Obamacare.
bigreds daddy
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#23
It looks like Republicans have decided that if they can reduce premiums by 10% over the next decade by 2026, having 24 million people lose insurance is worth it because coverage is now dictated to only those who really should be in the risk pool in the first place. I think it's funny because I saw seniors would have costs go up and they're the ones who have the hardest time affording it. Whatever. If that's what the idiots want to do, go for it.
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#24
Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
It looks like Republicans have decided that if they can reduce premiums by 10% over the next decade by 2026, having 24 million people lose insurance is worth it because coverage is now dictated to only those who really should be in the risk pool in the first place. I think it's funny because I saw seniors would have costs go up and they're the ones who have the hardest time affording it. Whatever. If that's what the idiots want to do, go for it.
It looks like Republicans have decided that if they can reduce premiums by 10% over the next decade by 2026, having 24 million people lose insurance is worth it because coverage is now dictated to only those who really should be in the risk pool in the first place. I think it's funny because I saw seniors would have costs go up and they're the ones who have the hardest time affording it. Whatever. If that's what the idiots want to do, go for it.
This is what happens when you have flawed analysis and blindly agree with everything the mainstream media wants to spoon feed you.
On the individual market there are currently roughly 9 million people that have coverage.
Another 6 million elected to pay the penalty rather than purchase coverage.
Yet another 14 million have filed for a hardship and get coverage without paying for coverage.
CBO was catastrophically wrong in its initial assessment of Obamacare in the first place so how can you blindly trust their figures no\w?
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#25
Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
It looks like Republicans have decided that if they can reduce premiums by 10% over the next decade by 2026, having 24 million people lose insurance is worth it because coverage is now dictated to only those who really should be in the risk pool in the first place. I think it's funny because I saw seniors would have costs go up and they're the ones who have the hardest time affording it. Whatever. If that's what the idiots want to do, go for it.
It looks like Republicans have decided that if they can reduce premiums by 10% over the next decade by 2026, having 24 million people lose insurance is worth it because coverage is now dictated to only those who really should be in the risk pool in the first place. I think it's funny because I saw seniors would have costs go up and they're the ones who have the hardest time affording it. Whatever. If that's what the idiots want to do, go for it.
Seniors and low income are the hardest hit group by this GOP replacement plan. Seniors have voted for Trump more than for Hillary on top of low income Trump base from the red States.
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