Ukraine..What's the Next Step?

@wallstreetcappers

 Let me Quote you; has ZERO to do with the issue and as a citizen of this country nobody should be in favor of a separate country using your soil and allowing a disgusting toxic sour to be run through your country so some refinery in Texas can profit off the sludge and then ship it to China, 

Keystone helps China only, so last I checked why would the US help China get oil and why should we have EVER allowed Keystone? 

There is NO reason why US soil should be used for Canadian and Chinese sole benefit, 

According to Left leaning Politifact your statements are FALSE, MISINFORMATION.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/apr/16/kirsten-gillibrand/will-oil-keystone-xl-pipeline-stay-us/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/jake-laturner/keystone-wouldnt-simply-offset-oil-us-imports-russ/

That oil is not for China as you say. The proposed trans mountain pipeline would ship it straight to ships bound to China bypassing the US.

Alberta producing 3 million barrels a day, not gonna stop no more matter how much ( in your own words) stupid morons stamp their feet. A pipeline that transports about 25% directly to mid America benefits Mid- America. 

The cost benefits and safety benefits verses railcar make this a viable project.

You can IMAGINE all you want, the reality is oil is power and will continue to be for some time. Mom and Pop do not have the $$ to run out and buy electric cars. 

Then you have lithium mining pollution, and import it from foreign countries, etc. 

Yesterday, 31 GOP Senators voted against $13.6 billion for aid to Ukraine.

Yeah they support Ukraine on TV but when it comes to do something about the slaughter, they are gutless.

Blackburn, TN; Boozman, AR ; Braun IN; Burr, NC; Cassidy, LA; Cotton, AR; Cramer, ND; Crapo, ID; Cruz, TX; Daines, MT; Fischer, NE; Hagerty, TN; Hawley, MO; Hoeven, ND; Johnson, WI; Kennedy, LA; Lankford, OK; Lee, UT; Lummis, WY; Marshall, KS; Paul, KY; Risch, ID; Romney, UT; Rounds, SD; Rubio, FL; Sasse, NE; Scott, FL; Scott, SC; Sullivan, AK; Tillis, NC & Toomey, PA.

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I agree here! Michigan's Gov Whitmer sent a request to Washington DC to remove the, what is it, 18 cent tax on a gallon Fed tax. It's election year so she acts like she is trying. So the republican state legislature saw this political move and called her bluff by quickly pushing a bill to her desk to suspend the state 27 cent tax saying expected budget surplus can be used to replace the revenue. She is expected to veto the bill. Repub's can then point this out next fall. Totally political sparring. 

Rediculous. 

Slaughter????? 

There are 41.46 million Ukraines. About 2 million have fled the country. The UN reports about 549 civilians deaths. Wow, for a WAR one would think thousands, but no, less than 600.

Then I hear Blinken say courageous Ukraines came out and stood in roadways to block Russian convoys. WTF, it supposed to a war and the Russians stop for a crowd in the road???

What the hell kind of slaughter is this??? A very strange "war".

@UNIMAN

 Bodies are still to be found in the ruble. What is this ,,,,the 16th day?

Let's check back in a month

How about the Mig fighters, what the hell is wrong with Biden??

And how about the no-fly zone??

GET IN THERE, GET IN THERE!!!

GET IN

@UNIMAN

 Good Lord...

A “no-fly zone” doesn’t just magically occur by declaring it so. It requires a massive military presence and military enforcement. NATO, not Biden, hs to make that decision.

We need to find Putin & liquidate him.

Midnight, it's seemly you are dealing with a Russian propaganda in this forum. It's a slaughter in Ukraine, Putin's forces are killing civilians, bombing maternity and children hospital, hitting civilian infrastructure. Dude is bashing Biden for no-fly zone, Soviet era fighter jets not delivering to Ukraine, while Donald Trump says Putin's invasion upon Ukraine is genius and Putin is savvy.    

@Midnight1

Mass Grave in Mariupol, Ukraine

https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-bodies-buried-in-mass-grave-in-mariupol-12562562

@Europa

Typical leftist response, ya wanna throw in the race card too! Why not. "It's our way or your the enemy."

I am not really bashing Biden about the no fly zone, actually more bashing those in the GOP calling for it. And I'm criticizing those saying we need to get more involved. I say no we don't! Nothing but more death and destruction if we do. Biden can't end this because he took office slamming Putin. You don't do that no matter how much you think it. Maybe the Chinese can get a resolution.

Joy Reid from MSNBC said we are giving the Ukraines attention because their white and religious. More like because they interfered with the 2016 election attempting to undermine the Trump campaign and filled the Biden pockets. They are as corrupt as Russia.

As far as a slaughter, five times as many people have died of drug overdoses in this country last two weeks than the number of civilian deaths recorded in the Ukraine in two weeks. And that is using data BEFORE Biden let our southern border go to hell. Much worse now. 

And if Trump was a PUPPET of Putin, he would have handed Ukraine to Putin after what they did to him, he would have OK'd Norm Stream 2 and let Germany go to hell too for their ignorance, HE DID NOT, BIDEN DID.

I believe the Obama administration influenced the corrupt Ukraine government.   Biden threatened the DA for investigating his son.  Innocent people are dieing,  truth be told... we are not getting the full truth.  Putin is wrong, just saying there is more then whsts being told.  All media should be accountable, all politicians accountable.   The end result is a divided nation.

Yes  I have seen those. So who is in the graves? Ukraine soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians?? Probably a little of each. 

War is sad, should have never happened. Found this when I searched Iraq War civilian casualties;

• No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion. However, we know that over 182,000 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the US, its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through November 2018.

For me, best to resolve conflict not escalate.

There's no way the actual number this that low. We have butchered that country, and much of the middle east, with our drone campaigns.

I saw a number in a reddit post, and this could have been an exaggeration but it was from an Iraqi, but it was something akin to 750,000.

We need to stop acting like the righteous protectors in the world. We are no better than Russia. And when the chickens come home to roost, nobody will have sympathy for us.

The International Criminal Court has opened an investigation of Russians committing war crime in Ukraine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/investigations-underway-into-potential-war-crimes-committed-by-russia-in-ukraine/

There is also a dire waring from the White House that Russia may use chemical or biological weapon against Ukrainians. 

@StumpTownStu

 I grabbed that number off a quick internet search so yeah could be much higher. 

Nice post!

Now ask yourself why? I see an unarmed elderly couple confront three Russian soldiers who broke through their gate. The Russians never killed them, instead they got bitched out.

Again, crowds of people preventing the Russians from driving through. Did the Russians run them over, gun them down? No, but now they will unleash chemical weapons. Does that make sense???

This what I see; The Russians have invaded. They want to take control, no doubt. Is it wrong, hell yeah. Do they want to kill civilians? Now here is where it gets questionable. We get bombarded by hospitals, mosques, elderly homes being shelled by the Russians. Horrific scenes of destruction. Then we get this death toll of less than 600 civilians. Ukraine reports 1300 troops dead. For an all out war in a country of 41 million that sure as hell isn't much. Totally contradicts the media reports, especially Fox News I might add. 

So for me......Just Doesn't Look Right. 

Our US intel agencies warned Putin wasn't just doing military exercises but that he amassing troops to invade Donbas region.

They were right.

Our US intel agencies warned Putin would use a false flag operation to justify his invasion.

They were right.

Our US intel agencies warned Putin wasn't going to stop at Donbas but invade all of Ukraine.

They were right.

Note they are NOT saying Putin **WILL** use those weapons, just that he **MAY**....and obviously this is a serious and pertinent headsup possibility from a madman former KGB officer thaat wants a Soviet Union again.

Obviously they are right that he **MAY**.

Let's hope he doesn't actually do it.

Jailed Russian leader Alexei Navalny has urged anti-war against Ukraine protest this weekend. Putin will get heat from his own people, perhaps not significant at this point but it might accelerate as time passes. 

@fubah2

Yes, chemical weapons were used against Syrian people from Putin and Al-Assad not long ago. There is no doubt about that.   

It has been SO much more than that. In the spring of 2020 NATO warned Russia of 150,000 troops massing at the border. Russia pulled back the troops and Biden met with Putin in June. Satisfied he had Biden's attention, Putin kept his troops back. 

November 2021; Vladimir Putin has a message for the U.S. and its allies: Moscow won’t tolerate creeping expansion by their armed forces into Ukraine.

In Moscow, senior officials and others close to the leadership say the Kremlin aims to make clear that any further western steps to provide weapons or expand military facilities in Ukraine would cross Russia’s red line. 

Putin accused NATO last month of threatening Russia with a military expansion into Ukraine. On Saturday, the Russian leader said the U.S. and NATO are waging a pressure campaign against him with naval drills in the Black Sea and support for drone strikes in the Ukraine conflict zone. 

“It seems that we are simply not allowed to relax,” Putin said in an interview on state television. “Well, let them know that we are not relaxing.” 

Later last month, Ukraine used a drone made by NATO member Turkey for the first time to attack a Russian-backed separatist howitzer in response to a strike that killed one soldier and wounded another one.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-masses-troops-to-tell-nato-to-stay-out-of-ukraine/ar-AAQDr8I

So this shit has been going on since spring. This  "madman"  made it clear time and time again what Russia wouldn't tolerate. Apparently he was ignored. Now people die because of it. 

Not taking sides here but it is clear there was a problem and IT DID NOT GET SOLVED. HERE WE ARE.

I should add that those same US intel agencies also reported that the Russians interered in both federal elections to help trump.  This was doubted, mocked, laughed at, and criticized by the trump cult, of course, but later PROVEN to be factual and **CONFIRMED** by our own bipartisan Senate committee last year.

Yes.   This is likely to be very significant in weeks to come.   Good point, Europa!

The same report shows the Russians attacked several Republicans, funny you never mention that, and they found absolutely no collusion between Trump and Russia. Fact is the Russians really F'd up helping Trump. They would have been better off with Hillary.

Now if only we could investigate American Main Stream Media for colluding to determine a presidential election, it would pale in comparison to Russia and Ukraines efforts. 

@Europa

 Yes,  they *may* well do so again here if they feel they are not winning as fast as they want.