trump's economy failing; worse than Obama's last 3

Oh I do!  Will be putting up more public surveys soon too.  They show EXACTLY what rank and file Americans think.  ANd its not good for adolf.

Huh ???

I'm a reader.  If you post I will read the links.....but I can recognize partisan BS when I see it.  If any of your links are partisan BS they are immediately dismissed solely on that basis.

Agreed. I have not heard anyone say it is a strong economy right now (or the past 3+ months)

I am forced to call BS on that and request uptodate links supporting that contention.

Quicker than *some* thought maybe....but certainly not QUICK in any case.

Places are shutting down AGAIN  in numerous cities!  We are going backward, not forward.

Last I heard was 22 states had either paused or rolled back their re-opening .

It *is* slowing back down....as the trump-virus spreads and hospitalizations increase it will get even worse.

...and PROVED to have the worst National Debt in recorded history.....which like houselhold debt, doesn't hurt immediately but the hurt is sure and it WILL come to Americans.

Non-sequitor. Biden isn't in power. 

And according to the polls representing the wishes of Americans, the economy is not the only thing that matters to them. It may not even be the most important.  And Biden is whupping trump in virtually EVERY subject asked by pollsters except the economy - where they are close, with trump given a slight edge.

I don’t have an issue with multiple topics.  I really don’t.  That’s why I only addressed the other fellows claims on the economy. 

The topic here is the economy under Trump vs Obama. 

It is very hard to empirically prove that the economy was not roaring under Trump.  Very hard to disprove it — with facts.  

The other stuff can be, and has been in other threads, addressed — no issues there. 

Ny contention is still the economic issue. 

First, I am not a Dem.  I have been a proud Independent and Moderate all my life. Voted FOR each of the prseiding US presidents since Carter....I refused to vote in 2016 because I did not like either candidate.  If I was a Dem I would have voted Hillary.  I did not. And HALF my values are conservative.

The rest of the world has suffered indeed.  But WE - with all our might and ability - really should have suffered among the very least -- given good sound federal government leadership. We didn't get it.

And the largely responsible part is being kind.  The Columbia University research team were fairly precise.  As much as and even very close to 83% of all the death - and by LOGICAL extension - the suffering, costs, spreading of infection, and economic collapse all stems from ALLOWING this virus to take vigorous hold in America....which trump is responsible for. The safety of our citizens. Job #1.  He failed.  Bigly.

In this day and age, any contagion that breaks out virtually anywhere in the world - but particularly in large population centers - is eventually going to infect nearly every country. HOW THEY RESPOND TO THAT IS THE QUESTION.  THAT is where the responsibility lies in regards to keeping casualties LOW.

Falsely claiming trump is not largely responsible the AMerican covid death counts (and subsequent economic fallout)  is exactly like blaming the foxes & coyotes for the deaths of half the chickens in the hen house - when it was farmer TRUMP who closed only the front door to the coop, leaving the back door and both side doors WIDE OPEN!!!

You set your argument up on a false premise.  

I think most rational folks don’t blame Trump for them losing their job. 

The rest has been addressed ad nauseam in the other threads.   

Suffice it to say, as I mentioned there Gruden’s name is down as winning a Super Bowl in Tampa. Sure he did it largely with Dungy’s guys, etc.  But Gruden won it.  Next guy gets credit for actually getting them over the hump. 

Trump’s name will forever be attached to the best unemployment numbers and a better economy. 

He did what Obama couldn’t — or wouldn’t — do by removing roadblocks and encouraging jobs to stay here, etc.  

You simply cannot swerve that.  You can NOT like it, you can give SOME credit elsewhere.  BUT you CANNOT remove Trump from it.

That is my point.  

See the above about all of this being addressed elsewhere.  Nothing to do with economy to reply to here. 

Not just football. 

I was very much looking forward to NBA postseason this year! 

Ok. Fair enough. I can't disprove it per se but only because it depends entirely on interpretation and definitions.

I have already pointed out IN THIS THREAD -- with facts -- how Obama's last 3 years are better than trump's last 3 years. I have seen nobody point to facts and links to them that give a persuasive argument to the contrary.

It may well be that BOTH had roaring good economies, but as I made my case, Obama's numbers appear to be even better than trump's numbers. Bottom line.  That does not suggest trump's economy was weak -- just that Obama's was slightly better -- the point of my thread.

You are more than welcome to go to that thread and make your points.  Obviously, you did not get mine — and it was simple. 

Masks are NOT a panacea.  They are not hurting. But the evidence simply doesn’t support the mania.  

Not sure using that sort of name adds much to your argument.  You make it very well without stooping to that. 

Latest show Republicans  — off top of my head — 72% very much trust Trump on economy.  46% of Democrats very much trust Biden.  

Yes. And ‘bad’ is still relative and dynamic at this time.  

But summarize how ‘Trump’s is largely to blame’?

Yes. Will be gone by then for sure.  

Yes.  Left and Media were never happy when things were better in the economy — that is fact. 

Good deal. If you cannot find them.  I can grab a couple of them for you later. 

Usually I am accused of posting too many links and data.

With my background one has to always substantiate with evidence.  

But just search on any good business site or forum and they discuss it in detail.  

Certainly with this new panic all bets may be off. 

But for sure a lot of the guys I deal with day in and day out were not looking for anything near a Vee.  Most were ‘projecting’ years.  

I get back to the lab in a bit. I will try to post a couple of links on this.  

Some of the contention is that the USA people were doing all they could despite the Congress and Obama reins. Trump then removed some of the roadblocks and gave the economy a surge.  

The counter — and a work with a couple of advocates of this — is that it was too much too fast.  And when a recession came it would be hard and fast and a very long recovery. Etc.  Both views have merits.