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electoral college has spoken for those entertaining amending the constitution 
good luck 3/4 states have to agree and
 the small states 40 of them will not ratify the amendment,
 

...but the era amendment is very attainable. It has passed and needs like six states to ratify the amendment 
why dont the democrats focus their energy  strike that deal ......
 
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Thankfully no coup against Trump. Nice 'peaceful' transition of power conducted by the Dems. Have they asked for another recount in the so called Blue Wall states? Electors actually needed police protection in order to cast their vote. An interesting 4 years coming up beginning in January. Should be a blast. Political  correctness is out the window.
 
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Congratulations to President Trump 


Now the media can go back to bashing Trump, spreading lies, inflaming differences, and basically sucking 
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well at least the fourth estate will go back to 
 investigatory journalism 
and not the lap dog
of the white house spokesperson.
 
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Very sad & potentially dangerous political times for America in my opinion. Nothing to do with party vs party (I've voted repub before & would have at least looked at a guy like Kasich seriously)..much more just to do with Trump and who he is combined with his narcissism & lack of knowledge/understanding in foreign affairs. Along with his appointees & nominations for key positions. 

I'm a comparative oldster here agewise & the 1st election I remember well was when JFK won in '60. Was 7 & we didn't find out the results til the next morning in school. In all that time since, I cannot remember any final prez candidates (whether you disagreed with 'em on issues, etc &/or weren't going to vote for them, that didn't have a certain amt of experience/knowledge & that at least were of decent character, integrity & honesty as far as politicians go. I know & understand there are many reasons why Trump won, but unfortunately it doesn't make it any less troubling, embarrassing & disgraceful for the country.
 
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And this so-called odd alliance with Putin/Trump/Tillerson is probably just as bad as it seems imo. Tillerson was always going to be the nomination from the beginning.
 
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who is really afraid of Trump and Putin ?   


maybe China , just returned the stolen drone today , the Caliphate ,   and the religion of peace invaders into the west 


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THE MEDIA SHOULD BASH A HUGE fool THAT SPREADS LIES, INFLAMES DIFFERENCES AND BASICALLY SUCKS!

Along this same line of thinking, shouldn't the media bash HRC as well?

Are you familiar with wikileaks? 

I will point this out, because it appears that you have missed something here...
What you know about Trump is mostly via the MSM's spin on everything and anything having to do with the guy. This spin is meant to disparage anything he does, and distort anything he says, and those who tune into the spinsters gradually adhere to the manner of thinking that those manipulators want them to have.

FOXNews does the same thing, they also spin and distort in an effort to manipulate their viewers opinions.

There is no use in watching MSM, it is all BS.

Wikileaks, on the other hand, is fact based corruption in the corrupters own words. 
No spin, no distortion ... just a bunch of corrupt politicians emailing each other about how they plan on screwing someone. It started with Bernie, and it ended with the American people.

Stop watching the MSM and take a few hundred hours out of your life and read the wikileaks documents. 
MSM refuses to talk about it, because they are a large part of the corruption themselves. 
Wikileaks is the greatest example of political corruption this country has EVER seen, straight from the corrupters own mouths.

To quote Flava Flav ... "don't believe the hype" 




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Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:

THE MEDIA SHOULD BASH A HUGE fool THAT SPREADS LIES, INFLAMES DIFFERENCES AND BASICALLY SUCKS!
Along this same line of thinking, shouldn't the media bash HRC as well?Are you familiar with wikileaks? I will point this out, because it appears that you have missed something here...What you know about Trump is mostly via the MSM's spin on everything and anything having to do with the guy. This spin is meant to disparage anything he does, and distort anything he says, and those who tune into the spinsters gradually adhere to the manner of thinking that those manipulators want them to have.FOXNews does the same thing, they also spin and distort in an effort to manipulate their viewers opinions.There is no use in watching MSM, it is all BS.Wikileaks, on the other hand, is fact based corruption in the corrupters own words. No spin, no distortion ... just a bunch of corrupt politicians emailing each other about how they plan on screwing someone. It started with Bernie, and it ended with the American people.Stop watching the MSM and take a few hundred hours out of your life and read the wikileaks documents. MSM refuses to talk about it, because they are a large part of the corruption themselves. Wikileaks is the greatest example of political corruption this country has EVER seen, straight from the corrupters own mouths.To quote Flava Flav ... "don't believe the hype"

Beautiful well said man. They can not secure their servor sent these over open lines was tapped and exposed, some how in the twist of msm it's Russia's fault wiki leaks published the emails.
They published Russia's emails as well. In the who swindled the government's more email batches.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


Along this same line of thinking, shouldn't the media bash HRC as well?




Ummmm.....they did. 

But the problem with your Wikileaks analysis is Wikileaks does not act as its own investigative outlet, but more like a computer subject to input of information. Thus wikipeaks could very easily be manipulated with false documents or with documents pertaining to one side or position. 

With that being said, you have Nature1970's full support. Then again, Trump also found ways to have the full support of the less intelligent so it goes with a grain of salt. 
 
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Ummmm.....they did. 

But the problem with your Wikileaks analysis is Wikileaks does not act as its own investigative outlet, but more like a computer subject to input of information. Thus wikipeaks could very easily be manipulated with false documents or with documents pertaining to one side or position. 

With that being said, you have Nature1970's full support. Then again, Trump also found ways to have the full support of the less intelligent so it goes with a grain of salt. 

so why manning convicted of treason and in Leavenworth ?

 
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Ummmm.....they did. 

But the problem with your Wikileaks analysis is Wikileaks does not act as its own investigative outlet, but more like a computer subject to input of information. Thus wikipeaks could very easily be manipulated with false documents or with documents pertaining to one side or position. 

With that being said, you have Nature1970's full support. Then again, Trump also found ways to have the full support of the less intelligent so it goes with a grain of salt. 

Ah, the old lightbulb trick, eh? 
I missed that thing 

What you say regarding wikileaks is true, and the released emailed could have been false, manipulated and or distorted.
Thus, I will ask you this, and please try to answer this direct question with a direct answer ... do you believe that the emails which wikileaks released were either false, or manipulated? 

My opinion is that the emails were released exactly as they were found/hacked.
I believe that if there were falsehoods within the emails, that those who had authored them would have loudly pointed that out. 
That wasn't the case.

Please share your honest opinion on this.
Were the emails changed? 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

Ummmm.....they did. 


Regarding the MSM bashing HRC ...
With the exception of FOXNews, HRC was pretty much given a free pass.
At least that was my perception in viewing it 
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


Ah, the old lightbulb trick, eh? 
I missed that thing 

What you say regarding wikileaks is true, and the released emailed could have been false, manipulated and or distorted.
Thus, I will ask you this, and please try to answer this direct question with a direct answer ... do you believe that the emails which wikileaks released were either false, or manipulated? 

My opinion is that the emails were released exactly as they were found/hacked.
I believe that if there were falsehoods within the emails, that those who had authored them would have loudly pointed that out. 
That wasn't the case.

Please share your honest opinion on this.
Were the emails changed? 

I used to send lightning bolts until Vader threw me down an elevator shaft. 

My answer is I don't know. Do I think some emails were taken verbatim? Absolutely. It is pretty common knowledge that the Dem internal network worked against Bernie. 

Do I think some could be manipulated? Absolutely. I'll use the Primary Colors example where Gov. Stanton (Bill Clinton) had a phone call manipulated and played for the media. That's a true story. Book talks about it a little bit more (related to the Gennifer Flowers story). 

As for your other post, yes HRC was crucified in all the media (even MostSlatedNewtworkforBarrackandClinton).  I'll use simple math as my reasoning. Look at her polling negatives which far exceeded Faux News 'viewage.' 
 
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so why manning convicted of treason and in Leavenworth ?


For turning over classified information. Please show me where the information he provided is the source of the leaks we are discussing. 

Or else, according to your theory, if one source gives true information to a reporter, all other sources' information would also be considered 'fact' as well. 
 
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I used to send lightning bolts until Vader threw me down an elevator shaft. 

My answer is I don't know. Do I think some emails were taken verbatim? Absolutely. It is pretty common knowledge that the Dem internal network worked against Bernie. 

Do I think some could be manipulated? Absolutely. I'll use the Primary Colors example where Gov. Stanton (Bill Clinton) had a phone call manipulated and played for the media. That's a true story. Book talks about it a little bit more (related to the Gennifer Flowers story). 

As for your other post, yes HRC was crucified in all the media (even MostSlatedNewtworkforBarrackandClinton).  I'll use simple math as my reasoning. Look at her polling negatives which far exceeded Faux News 'viewage.' 

Regarding the emails being manipulated, I don't agree with you, although you did come up with a pretty good example in your counterpoint. If nothing else, there is some room for a little doubt.

I use my own ear-test to determine the media's handling of HRC.
Admittedly, due to my disdain of her I was listening with a biased ear, so maybe it was my own perception that they were not tough enough on her. I certainly would not use the word "crucified," but again I will acknowledge your point about the polling has some merit.

FOXNews ... now they crucified her 
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Q, I believe we are in full agreement regarding the media.
This is why I do not solely watch any one news outlet.
I watch a little FOXNews, MSNBC, CNN, and various other news programming.

Although, I would be remiss if I didn't add in that many people who lean to the left view FOXNews as being a completely biased conservative propaganda machine, yet they fail to see that MSNBC (and others) are the exact same, just from the opposite view point.

To me, it is ALL bulls!t 

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Q, while I'm here ...

I fully understand what you were saying in your post, but I do not believe that "redundant" would be the appropriate word for which to make your point.

No big deal 
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For turning over classified information. Please show me where the information he provided is the source of the leaks we are discussing. 

Or else, according to your theory, if one source gives true information to a reporter, all other sources' information would also be considered 'fact' as well. 

manning was a traitor unlike myself,

 for I don't work for the Federal Government.

He/She Did Her work ( I guess is pc now she nolonger a women in a mans body)

turned over sensitive emails that were correspondence of diplomatic nature of

the state department,

Saudi Arabia Isaeli and yes Hillary was in there.

which promoted the us government to deem WikiLeaks off limits to us citizens and such as the reaction to forbidden fruit

made WikiLeaks famous For most citizens of our planet

Do not believe the us government anyway.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


For turning over classified information. Please show me where the information he provided is the source of the leaks we are discussing. 

Or else, according to your theory, if one source gives true information to a reporter, all other sources' information would also be considered 'fact' as well. 


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-live-online-answers

inside is a link that will take you to wiki leaks dj go knock your self out.

in mean time professor I did send a link to Prices replacement maybe you could shine some light on why this isn't a great alternative to Obama care.

 
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WHAT I KNOW OF TRUMP IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND NOT WHAT HE SAYS/TWEETS.  YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPIN FACTS, JUST RECOGNIZE & UNDERSTAND THEM. 

TRUMP HAS SPENT HIS LIFETIME  SCREWING,
LYING, CHEATING, SCAMMING, DEFRAUDING, TAX EVADING, BULLYING, HATING, GROPING, SLANDERING, HIS NASTINESS JUST GOES ON AND ON.

FAUX NEWS IS A TOTAL FARCE OF MISINFORMATION FROM THE RIGHT, YOU WOULD RECEIVE MORE USEFUL INFO FROM THE WHITE SNOW ON A CABLE CHANNEL YOU DON'T GET

It is laughable to me that some continue to label FOXNews with negative names as you just did, yet they tune into MSNBC while clueless that they are also nothing more than a propaganda machine.
CNN is only a tiny bit better.

As for your comments about Trump, let me address just one of them for now.
During the debates HRC kept harping on the fact that Trump made many millions, yet didn't pay a penny in federal tax. You, and the MSM listened and then started this campaign that Trump was a tax evader. I find it hard to believe that you, or the MSM don't understand that Trump took advantage of the tax laws that HRC and her cronies voted in. Trump paid nothing in federal tax ... and it was HRC's fault!!!

Also during the debates, HRC took a much ballyhooed shot at Trump when she ridiculed him for using steel from China to build his new hotel. This jab drew laughter from the crowd as HRC smiled smugly. The MSM ran with this sound bite, using it as part of their argument as to why HRC won that debate.

Why didn't the MSM (or Trump in response to the comment) point out that Trump, as a business man, made a good financial decision. The reason he used steel from China is because that steel is much cheaper than US steel as a result of the sh!tty trade deals that HRC and her cronies voted in. Trump using foreign steel is HRC's fault!!!

I'm not a fan of Trump, and he gives everyone enough fodder for which to disparage him. But many of the attacks on him, like the ones I just referenced, are simply false.

Did I hit the 7800 character limit with this post? 
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bbc America

 or if you can get it through a very large old school satellite bbc about as unbiased news as it gets

abc cbs nbc msnbc cnn is very spin left. fox is slanted right to make media "fair and balanced. but all networks run a similar version of the same story at the same time. same commercial breaks same commercials.

cspan cspan  2 and cspan 3  is fact based

 but very dry watching esteemed members of congress debate.

and think tanks spokesmen give oral arguments of policies and impact of policies.

pbs is about as neutral a broad cast as one can find in the states

 but is provided for by very liberal philanthropic groups so it inherits a liberal slant be it subconsciously.

Aljazeera America is unbiased left / right wise but very pro Muslim and Muslim doctrine

 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

manning was a traitor unlike myself,

 for I don't work for the Federal Government.

He/She Did Her work ( I guess is pc now she nolonger a women in a mans body)

turned over sensitive emails that were correspondence of diplomatic nature of

the state department,

Saudi Arabia Isaeli and yes Hillary was in there.

which promoted the us government to deem WikiLeaks off limits to us citizens and such as the reaction to forbidden fruit

made WikiLeaks famous For most citizens of our planet

Do not believe the us government anyway.


You missed my point, I'll simplify. 

Wikileaks reports information provided to it. It has no fact check mechanism. If someone provides it documents, it discloses them. 

Manning worked for the government and disclosed classified documents. That is a crime. 

But Manning has been in prison so other documents have subsequently been provided to Wikileaks by other sources. We have no means of verifying whether the information provided by these sources is accurate or even real. 

You believe that it is because you believe anything Faux News tells you. That's fine. It doesn't mean its true. It only means that you want it to be true. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-live-online-answers

inside is a link that will take you to wiki leaks dj go knock your self out.

in mean time professor I did send a link to Prices replacement maybe you could shine some light on why this isn't a great alternative to Obama care.


I've said that time and time again, ObamaCare is a fault-driven solution to a disaster of a system. The Republican answer of cross state competition is a joke and actually, the Republicans themselves said it in 1994 in their response to HRC's plan. 

The Republicans have no solution. Quite frankly, the Dems solution really wasn't one either. 
 
 
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You were right dj I was wrong.peace_5

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