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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:07 PM ET #76

    We have a Bill of Rights in this country. If you think the 2nd amendment needs to be amended and “improved”, then you should support a candidate that campaigns to do so. When that candidate gets crushed, you’ll see what law abiding Americans want. 
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    We have a Bill of Rights in this country. If you think the 2nd amendment needs to be amended and “improved”, then you should support a candidate that campaigns to do so. When that candidate gets crushed, you’ll see what law abiding Americans want. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:19 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    We have a Bill of Rights in this country. If you think the 2nd amendment needs to be amended and “improved”, then you should support a candidate that campaigns to do so. When that candidate gets crushed, you’ll see what law abiding Americans want.

     

    Oh I know you and many other Americans are foolish puppets of the gun lobby and corps...its all or nothing for your kind. The purpose and need for certain weapons does not exist, and for sure does not outweigh the loss of life so that YOU can have ALL the GUNS that some manufacturer wants to make and then try and act like the 2A covers whatever the crap is created...


    Lunacy...pure selfish lunacy. 

     

    When that billionaire lush Trump pal comes out today and says that congress needs to consider change to the gun laws you know it has gotten pretty bad out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    We have a Bill of Rights in this country. If you think the 2nd amendment needs to be amended and “improved”, then you should support a candidate that campaigns to do so. When that candidate gets crushed, you’ll see what law abiding Americans want.

     

    Oh I know you and many other Americans are foolish puppets of the gun lobby and corps...its all or nothing for your kind. The purpose and need for certain weapons does not exist, and for sure does not outweigh the loss of life so that YOU can have ALL the GUNS that some manufacturer wants to make and then try and act like the 2A covers whatever the crap is created...


    Lunacy...pure selfish lunacy. 

     

    When that billionaire lush Trump pal comes out today and says that congress needs to consider change to the gun laws you know it has gotten pretty bad out there.

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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:22 PM ET #78

    This is a perfect example of why liberals always lose. A tragedy happens, they (every liberal rag in America) claim that Trump signed a bill making it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns. 

    They fail to mention the regulation was also opposed by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. When you look at the regulation, and you look at why Trump, Congress, disability groups, mental health groups and the ACLU were opposed to the regulation, it is very clear how out of touch Democrats are. 

    Democrats will continue to lose and they will continue to have no power in American politics.
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    This is a perfect example of why liberals always lose. A tragedy happens, they (every liberal rag in America) claim that Trump signed a bill making it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns. 

    They fail to mention the regulation was also opposed by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. When you look at the regulation, and you look at why Trump, Congress, disability groups, mental health groups and the ACLU were opposed to the regulation, it is very clear how out of touch Democrats are. 

    Democrats will continue to lose and they will continue to have no power in American politics.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:29 PM ET #79

    The people are not puppets for the NRA, the NRA are puppets for the people. The NRA has 5 million members and the members are great Americans. 

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    The people are not puppets for the NRA, the NRA are puppets for the people. The NRA has 5 million members and the members are great Americans. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:40 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The people are not puppets for the NRA, the NRA are puppets for the people. The NRA has 5 million members and the members are great Americans.

    The people are PUPPETS that follow the NRA, anyone that would selfishly look away from death and tragedy to hold onto guns they do not need are NOT great Americans. 

    Stop being selfish and come to your senses...these guns are not needed, they are not necessary for survival in this life and are killing millions of people. 

    Your fervor is horrendous, you look the other way and hide behind the 2A and refuse to acknowledge the need to modify a mistake...the 2A in its current "anything goes" form is wrong, it is not what the FF's intended. 

    Why do you deflect when something awful happens because of guns? Why do you selfishly clench when this issue keeps coming up, are you unable to see what is right in front of your face and killed innocent people today and many days before? What happens when someone you know and love is killed because some knucklehead has the ability to shoot 20-100-200-500 rounds because they CAN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The people are not puppets for the NRA, the NRA are puppets for the people. The NRA has 5 million members and the members are great Americans.

    The people are PUPPETS that follow the NRA, anyone that would selfishly look away from death and tragedy to hold onto guns they do not need are NOT great Americans. 

    Stop being selfish and come to your senses...these guns are not needed, they are not necessary for survival in this life and are killing millions of people. 

    Your fervor is horrendous, you look the other way and hide behind the 2A and refuse to acknowledge the need to modify a mistake...the 2A in its current "anything goes" form is wrong, it is not what the FF's intended. 

    Why do you deflect when something awful happens because of guns? Why do you selfishly clench when this issue keeps coming up, are you unable to see what is right in front of your face and killed innocent people today and many days before? What happens when someone you know and love is killed because some knucklehead has the ability to shoot 20-100-200-500 rounds because they CAN?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:47 PM ET #81

    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. 

    You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans. 

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    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. 

    You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 7:55 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. 

    You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans. 


    So it's an American child's right to go to school and become a target?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. 

    You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans. 


    So it's an American child's right to go to school and become a target?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:00 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The people are PUPPETS that follow the NRA, anyone that would selfishly look away from death and tragedy to hold onto guns they do not need are NOT great Americans. 

    Stop being selfish and come to your senses...these guns are not needed, they are not necessary for survival in this life and are killing millions of people. 

    Your fervor is horrendous, you look the other way and hide behind the 2A and refuse to acknowledge the need to modify a mistake...the 2A in its current "anything goes" form is wrong, it is not what the FF's intended. 

    Why do you deflect when something awful happens because of guns? Why do you selfishly clench when this issue keeps coming up, are you unable to see what is right in front of your face and killed innocent people today and many days before? What happens when someone you know and love is killed because some knucklehead has the ability to shoot 20-100-200-500 rounds because they CAN?

    Don't mean to reply to just your comments.  But you are about the only Liberal on here that I see any point in trying to discuss things with.  
    But do you ever look at some of the adjectives that you use?  I just don't see the point in name-calling or bashing people and their ideas or what they support.  You are not going to change their minds this way, or even have a decent discussion about an issue this way. 
    People are completely dug in on this issue.  So, what would you propose exactly?  It is the same as when the Liberals say the illegals are here and we can't send them all back now; you can also argue that there are heaps of guns out there and you can't get them all back now. 
    So, what would be a sensible solution going forward?  Nobody with a lick of sense thinks maniacs like this fellow should have access to guns.  But nobody has a grand solution that I have seen.  Some propose trained folks at school with guns --- but this can't be the answer.  I mean school shouldn't be a locked down place to go.  That is not possible at all schools. 
    Just interested if you, or anyone, has a sensible option.  Just going back and forth and bashing folks doesn't interest me. What's he point?  You can't change a person's mind that way.  
    At any rate --- proposals?  
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    The people are PUPPETS that follow the NRA, anyone that would selfishly look away from death and tragedy to hold onto guns they do not need are NOT great Americans. 

    Stop being selfish and come to your senses...these guns are not needed, they are not necessary for survival in this life and are killing millions of people. 

    Your fervor is horrendous, you look the other way and hide behind the 2A and refuse to acknowledge the need to modify a mistake...the 2A in its current "anything goes" form is wrong, it is not what the FF's intended. 

    Why do you deflect when something awful happens because of guns? Why do you selfishly clench when this issue keeps coming up, are you unable to see what is right in front of your face and killed innocent people today and many days before? What happens when someone you know and love is killed because some knucklehead has the ability to shoot 20-100-200-500 rounds because they CAN?

    Don't mean to reply to just your comments.  But you are about the only Liberal on here that I see any point in trying to discuss things with.  
    But do you ever look at some of the adjectives that you use?  I just don't see the point in name-calling or bashing people and their ideas or what they support.  You are not going to change their minds this way, or even have a decent discussion about an issue this way. 
    People are completely dug in on this issue.  So, what would you propose exactly?  It is the same as when the Liberals say the illegals are here and we can't send them all back now; you can also argue that there are heaps of guns out there and you can't get them all back now. 
    So, what would be a sensible solution going forward?  Nobody with a lick of sense thinks maniacs like this fellow should have access to guns.  But nobody has a grand solution that I have seen.  Some propose trained folks at school with guns --- but this can't be the answer.  I mean school shouldn't be a locked down place to go.  That is not possible at all schools. 
    Just interested if you, or anyone, has a sensible option.  Just going back and forth and bashing folks doesn't interest me. What's he point?  You can't change a person's mind that way.  
    At any rate --- proposals?  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:01 PM ET #84

    I would like to read your detailed description of what you would like to see happen. Go into detail about the embedment you would like to see to the 2A. 

    According to Gallup and Pew 42% of Americans live in a household with a gun. There are an estimated 350,000,000 guns in America. 

    Ok, let’s hear your plan. Let me see how you’re going to stop school shootings by amending the 2A. 

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    I would like to read your detailed description of what you would like to see happen. Go into detail about the embedment you would like to see to the 2A. 

    According to Gallup and Pew 42% of Americans live in a household with a gun. There are an estimated 350,000,000 guns in America. 

    Ok, let’s hear your plan. Let me see how you’re going to stop school shootings by amending the 2A. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:03 PM ET #85

    Can we get an edit button and less viruses or what? 

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    Can we get an edit button and less viruses or what? 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:03 PM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans.

     

    Then quit being selfish and think of more than YOU and YOUR GUNS....

    Be an American and support the overhaul of this mess. No liberals are screaming to take every and any gun (which is the battle cry for your NRA group) rather to get rid of the weapons that are not needed and are killing millions of people, innocent kids.

    So why do you deflect and hide when these awful high capacity guns kill people, guns that are not necessary and do a great level of harm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You must respect my rights as an American Wallstreet. You could always move to UK and get acid thrown on your face if you don’t like the rights we have as Americans.

     

    Then quit being selfish and think of more than YOU and YOUR GUNS....

    Be an American and support the overhaul of this mess. No liberals are screaming to take every and any gun (which is the battle cry for your NRA group) rather to get rid of the weapons that are not needed and are killing millions of people, innocent kids.

    So why do you deflect and hide when these awful high capacity guns kill people, guns that are not necessary and do a great level of harm?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:07 PM ET #87

    What weapons are not needed and kill millions of people. Please provide a link to back up your claim. 

    Thank you 
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    What weapons are not needed and kill millions of people. Please provide a link to back up your claim. 

    Thank you 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:14 PM ET #88

    The overwhelming majority of homicides with a firearm come from handguns. It’s something like 80% handgun, 20% all other firearms combined. Please keep that in mind when presenting your argument. 

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    The overwhelming majority of homicides with a firearm come from handguns. It’s something like 80% handgun, 20% all other firearms combined. Please keep that in mind when presenting your argument. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:21 PM ET #89

    Raiders,

    This country was built on compromise and understanding and thinking of what is best for all, not just you and yours.

     

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    Raiders,

    This country was built on compromise and understanding and thinking of what is best for all, not just you and yours.

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:23 PM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The overwhelming majority of homicides with a firearm come from handguns. It’s something like 80% handgun, 20% all other firearms combined. Please keep that in mind when presenting your argument.

    That is total...not the number per incident. Keep that in mind, I am referring to large numbers in single or small instances.

    I am sure you know my exact position, I stated it clearly and frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The overwhelming majority of homicides with a firearm come from handguns. It’s something like 80% handgun, 20% all other firearms combined. Please keep that in mind when presenting your argument.

    That is total...not the number per incident. Keep that in mind, I am referring to large numbers in single or small instances.

    I am sure you know my exact position, I stated it clearly and frequently.

     
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    Flying was never the same after 911... 

    Going to school needs to be changed as well. Schools need to look like juvenile detention centers. We all want them protected so the fencing with the razor wire, one or 2 ways to enter the grounds with guards stationed as far away from the school as possible will protect them. It's crazy to think that this will ever stop with the way it is now. It won't look pretty, but it'll make the maniacs go to the mall to kill people instead of shooting fish in a barrel like the current school setup is. Pull a fire alarm and the targets come running to you. Obviously every school doesn't have the property, but I believe most do. It's a horrible look but not as horrible as the hallways in that school yesterday.

    It'll have the same effect as what is currently done at the airport. How many airplane incidences have they had since they hardened the target? NONE

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    Flying was never the same after 911... 

    Going to school needs to be changed as well. Schools need to look like juvenile detention centers. We all want them protected so the fencing with the razor wire, one or 2 ways to enter the grounds with guards stationed as far away from the school as possible will protect them. It's crazy to think that this will ever stop with the way it is now. It won't look pretty, but it'll make the maniacs go to the mall to kill people instead of shooting fish in a barrel like the current school setup is. Pull a fire alarm and the targets come running to you. Obviously every school doesn't have the property, but I believe most do. It's a horrible look but not as horrible as the hallways in that school yesterday.

    It'll have the same effect as what is currently done at the airport. How many airplane incidences have they had since they hardened the target? NONE

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:32 PM ET #92

    So you’re ok with 5 or 6 kids being killed you just don’t like when 17 kids are killed? 

    Our country obviously has more of a handgun issue than anything else. Do you no care about people in the inner city? 

    Let’s hear your plan. 

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    So you’re ok with 5 or 6 kids being killed you just don’t like when 17 kids are killed? 

    Our country obviously has more of a handgun issue than anything else. Do you no care about people in the inner city? 

    Let’s hear your plan. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:33 PM ET #93

    Get rid of all the guns in America ....and it will not stop school massacres....


    The deadliest school related massacre in U.S. history....was a bombing..  
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    Get rid of all the guns in America ....and it will not stop school massacres....


    The deadliest school related massacre in U.S. history....was a bombing..  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 8:39 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So you’re ok with 5 or 6 kids being killed you just don’t like when 17 kids are killed? Our country obviously has more of a handgun issue than anything else. Do you no care about people in the inner city? Let’s hear your plan.

    The difference between you and me and maybe most is what my personal thoughts are and what I would prefer is not what I would propose. I dont see the need for a majority of guns, a high high majority. That is my personal view, but that is not how I would suggest for others and the majority. You are clenching your guns because you think of you and yours....not what is best and makes most sense for society and more people. 

    I'd say there needs to be a limit, a hard line limit on capacity and also better security for kids, much much tougher restrictions on how to acquire and more diligence in removing unregistered, illegal guns. 

    You might want to try thinking outside your own selfish interests, there are millions of people out there and what is best for most might not be what is ultimate for you personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So you’re ok with 5 or 6 kids being killed you just don’t like when 17 kids are killed? Our country obviously has more of a handgun issue than anything else. Do you no care about people in the inner city? Let’s hear your plan.

    The difference between you and me and maybe most is what my personal thoughts are and what I would prefer is not what I would propose. I dont see the need for a majority of guns, a high high majority. That is my personal view, but that is not how I would suggest for others and the majority. You are clenching your guns because you think of you and yours....not what is best and makes most sense for society and more people. 

    I'd say there needs to be a limit, a hard line limit on capacity and also better security for kids, much much tougher restrictions on how to acquire and more diligence in removing unregistered, illegal guns. 

    You might want to try thinking outside your own selfish interests, there are millions of people out there and what is best for most might not be what is ultimate for you personally.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Get rid of all the guns in America ....and it will not stop school massacres....


    The deadliest school related massacre in U.S. history....was a bombing..  
    Yes, one bombing.  But there wouldn't be anymore shootings. Maybe some bombings.  Not sure how many kids gonna put that kind of effort into it.  But hard to argue against not having guns handy.  
    No idea what the answer is.  But to say if guns magically disappeared, it wouldn't way slow it down is disingenuous.  
    I get your point. But have to be honest in the discussion, I think, to actually come up with a solution. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Get rid of all the guns in America ....and it will not stop school massacres....


    The deadliest school related massacre in U.S. history....was a bombing..  
    Yes, one bombing.  But there wouldn't be anymore shootings. Maybe some bombings.  Not sure how many kids gonna put that kind of effort into it.  But hard to argue against not having guns handy.  
    No idea what the answer is.  But to say if guns magically disappeared, it wouldn't way slow it down is disingenuous.  
    I get your point. But have to be honest in the discussion, I think, to actually come up with a solution. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Yes, one bombing.  But there wouldn't be anymore shootings. Maybe some bombings.  Not sure how many kids gonna put that kind of effort into it.  But hard to argue against not having guns handy.  
    No idea what the answer is.  But to say if guns magically disappeared, it wouldn't way slow it down is disingenuous.  
    I get your point. But have to be honest in the discussion, I think, to actually come up with a solution. 


    You can make bombs from the stuff found under kitchen sink....bombs can be made by mixing chemicals that are used in common household items, including hydrogen peroxide and paint thinner, and can be easily found at drug stores or hardware stores.

    Guns ,,knifes ,,bombs the method of mass murder does nothing to advance the understanding of why these kinds of events happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Yes, one bombing.  But there wouldn't be anymore shootings. Maybe some bombings.  Not sure how many kids gonna put that kind of effort into it.  But hard to argue against not having guns handy.  
    No idea what the answer is.  But to say if guns magically disappeared, it wouldn't way slow it down is disingenuous.  
    I get your point. But have to be honest in the discussion, I think, to actually come up with a solution. 


    You can make bombs from the stuff found under kitchen sink....bombs can be made by mixing chemicals that are used in common household items, including hydrogen peroxide and paint thinner, and can be easily found at drug stores or hardware stores.

    Guns ,,knifes ,,bombs the method of mass murder does nothing to advance the understanding of why these kinds of events happen.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 9:09 PM ET #97

    So the plan is a capacity on limit and better security? What restrictions? 

    If cops put more effort into getting illegal guns off the streets, liberals will cry racism and BLM will start looting again. 
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    So the plan is a capacity on limit and better security? What restrictions? 

    If cops put more effort into getting illegal guns off the streets, liberals will cry racism and BLM will start looting again. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You can make bombs from the stuff found under kitchen sink....bombs can be made by mixing chemicals that are used in common household items, including hydrogen peroxide and paint thinner, and can be easily found at drug stores or hardware stores.

    Guns ,,knifes ,,bombs the method of mass murder does nothing to advance the understanding of why these kinds of events happen.

    I absolutely understand that.  But guns are readily available.  I'm just not agreeing that the mass murders stay the same if kids can't get guns. I really feel they would go down.  Not that many kids going to make bombs to do this.  Where is the history of that?  
    The issue is the guns are not going away.  So now what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You can make bombs from the stuff found under kitchen sink....bombs can be made by mixing chemicals that are used in common household items, including hydrogen peroxide and paint thinner, and can be easily found at drug stores or hardware stores.

    Guns ,,knifes ,,bombs the method of mass murder does nothing to advance the understanding of why these kinds of events happen.

    I absolutely understand that.  But guns are readily available.  I'm just not agreeing that the mass murders stay the same if kids can't get guns. I really feel they would go down.  Not that many kids going to make bombs to do this.  Where is the history of that?  
    The issue is the guns are not going away.  So now what?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2018 - 9:44 PM ET #99

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I absolutely understand that.  But guns are readily available.  I'm just not agreeing that the mass murders stay the same if kids can't get guns. I really feel they would go down.  Not that many kids going to make bombs to do this.  Where is the history of that?  
    The issue is the guns are not going away.  So now what?


    To say, that because guns are handy is a reason for these school massacres is naive ...3 in 10 American adults say they currently own a gun....(that would put it around 100 million people) ...these guns are handy to them and yet we don't hear about law abiding citizens with guns committing these types of killings ...when guns are very handy to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I absolutely understand that.  But guns are readily available.  I'm just not agreeing that the mass murders stay the same if kids can't get guns. I really feel they would go down.  Not that many kids going to make bombs to do this.  Where is the history of that?  
    The issue is the guns are not going away.  So now what?


    To say, that because guns are handy is a reason for these school massacres is naive ...3 in 10 American adults say they currently own a gun....(that would put it around 100 million people) ...these guns are handy to them and yet we don't hear about law abiding citizens with guns committing these types of killings ...when guns are very handy to them.
     
     
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    All true. But as one poster said you want to make it more difficult. But sure there are other things you need to look at.  Like why are these maniacs doing this.  I get that the 24 hour news makes it seem like the mass shooters are way up.  They are not way up. They are flatish for last 30+ years.  But the poster brings up a couple of good points.  Not all I agree with. But still...
     To every person saying that us banning guns would just lead them to try to utilize some other means to harm others, that's precisely the point. It doesn't make it impossible for anyone to hurt others, it just makes it more difficult. The other defense I always hear is "why pass laws that will only hurt law abiding citizens?" By that logic we might as well never pass any laws because, hey, some people aren't going to follow them. Conservatives are using the same tactics on guns that the tobacco industry used for decades, say whatever you can to deflect blame onto others, to claim we don't have all the facts, to pose straw man all-or-nothing arguments like the one I just mentioned. It's all BS intended to prevent us from doing anything of substance to stop these problems. I get why the NRA wants that. They're a trade industry group. They want to sell as many guns as possible the same way that the milk people want to sell as much milk as possible. I have no idea why so many other people are so rigid and inflexible on this though. If you're a responsible, law abiding citizen you have nothing to fear, and in fact, you put yourself at greater risk of extreme measures like guns being banned altogether when you oppose reasonable steps towards gun control like universal background checks, gun registration, etc.
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    All true. But as one poster said you want to make it more difficult. But sure there are other things you need to look at.  Like why are these maniacs doing this.  I get that the 24 hour news makes it seem like the mass shooters are way up.  They are not way up. They are flatish for last 30+ years.  But the poster brings up a couple of good points.  Not all I agree with. But still...
     To every person saying that us banning guns would just lead them to try to utilize some other means to harm others, that's precisely the point. It doesn't make it impossible for anyone to hurt others, it just makes it more difficult. The other defense I always hear is "why pass laws that will only hurt law abiding citizens?" By that logic we might as well never pass any laws because, hey, some people aren't going to follow them. Conservatives are using the same tactics on guns that the tobacco industry used for decades, say whatever you can to deflect blame onto others, to claim we don't have all the facts, to pose straw man all-or-nothing arguments like the one I just mentioned. It's all BS intended to prevent us from doing anything of substance to stop these problems. I get why the NRA wants that. They're a trade industry group. They want to sell as many guns as possible the same way that the milk people want to sell as much milk as possible. I have no idea why so many other people are so rigid and inflexible on this though. If you're a responsible, law abiding citizen you have nothing to fear, and in fact, you put yourself at greater risk of extreme measures like guns being banned altogether when you oppose reasonable steps towards gun control like universal background checks, gun registration, etc.
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