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    The Trump administration has frozen Obama’s quiet attempt to send $221 million to Palestine

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    zelo123
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 9:28 AM ET #1

    The State Department is reviewing a last-minute decision by former Secretary of State John Kerry to send $221 million dollars to the Palestinians late last week over the objections of congressional Republicans.

    The department said Tuesday it would look at the payment, one of the Obama administration's final acts in office, and might make adjustments to ensure it comports with the Trump administration's priorities.

    Kerry formally notified Congress that State would release the money Friday morning, just hours before President Donald Trump's inauguration.

    "I was tracking President Obama's 11th-hour moves on the Palestinians, and this issue never came up once ... Most analysts and observers didn't think Obama would or could do this," Dr. Jonathan Schanzer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies told Business Insider.

    Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, with the US Agency for International Development sending the Palestinians $355 million in 2015.

    But at least two GOP lawmakers Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee had placed holds on the funds as the Palestinian Authority had pursued "a unilateral tract towards statehood and they were not trying to work with Israel," said Schanzer. 

    Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after funds have been allocated. "Most analysts and observers didn’t think Obama would or could do this," said Schanzer.

    "The easiest way to sum it up is that Congress had been looking at various behaviors from Palestine — unilateral attempts at statehood, corruption, incitement of violence, and paying salaries to people in jail for terrorism — and that's why the hold has been there," said Schanzer. 

    Granger released a statement Tuesday saying, "I am deeply disappointed that President Obama defied congressional oversight and released $221 million to the Palestinian territories."

    She added: "I worked to make sure that no American taxpayer dollars would fund the Palestinian Authority unless very strict conditions were met. While none of these funds will go to the Palestinian Authority because of those conditions, they will go to programs in the Palestinian territories that were still under review by Congress. The Obama Administration's decision to release these funds was inappropriate."

    The Obama administration had for some time been pressing for the release of the money, which comes from the US Agency for International Development and is to be used to fund humanitarian aid in the West Bank and Gaza, to support political and security reforms and to help prepare for good governance and the rule of law in a future Palestinian state, according to the notification sent to Congress.

    Obama's unilateral attempt to send the money came as he closed his presidency with a critical eye toward Israel. In December, the UN Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Israel stop building settlements on Palestinian land. The US refused to vote on the resolution, effectively allowing it to pass.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-frozen-obamas-payment-to-palestine-2017-1

    When is it EVER appropriate to give tax payer funds to our enemies. This should not even be an issue. We have seniors, children, and vets living either on the streets or in sub standard housing, barely enough food and doing without medical help they need. $221 Million would help a lot of people here at home. Congress is supposed to help citizens of this country. I would bet my last dollar that congress will issue the check the minute the heat is off. It should never be allowed to happen. Let’s keep the heat on our reps to cancel the check.              

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    The State Department is reviewing a last-minute decision by former Secretary of State John Kerry to send $221 million dollars to the Palestinians late last week over the objections of congressional Republicans.

    The department said Tuesday it would look at the payment, one of the Obama administration's final acts in office, and might make adjustments to ensure it comports with the Trump administration's priorities.

    Kerry formally notified Congress that State would release the money Friday morning, just hours before President Donald Trump's inauguration.

    "I was tracking President Obama's 11th-hour moves on the Palestinians, and this issue never came up once ... Most analysts and observers didn't think Obama would or could do this," Dr. Jonathan Schanzer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies told Business Insider.

    Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, with the US Agency for International Development sending the Palestinians $355 million in 2015.

    But at least two GOP lawmakers Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee had placed holds on the funds as the Palestinian Authority had pursued "a unilateral tract towards statehood and they were not trying to work with Israel," said Schanzer. 

    Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after funds have been allocated. "Most analysts and observers didn’t think Obama would or could do this," said Schanzer.

    "The easiest way to sum it up is that Congress had been looking at various behaviors from Palestine — unilateral attempts at statehood, corruption, incitement of violence, and paying salaries to people in jail for terrorism — and that's why the hold has been there," said Schanzer. 

    Granger released a statement Tuesday saying, "I am deeply disappointed that President Obama defied congressional oversight and released $221 million to the Palestinian territories."

    She added: "I worked to make sure that no American taxpayer dollars would fund the Palestinian Authority unless very strict conditions were met. While none of these funds will go to the Palestinian Authority because of those conditions, they will go to programs in the Palestinian territories that were still under review by Congress. The Obama Administration's decision to release these funds was inappropriate."

    The Obama administration had for some time been pressing for the release of the money, which comes from the US Agency for International Development and is to be used to fund humanitarian aid in the West Bank and Gaza, to support political and security reforms and to help prepare for good governance and the rule of law in a future Palestinian state, according to the notification sent to Congress.

    Obama's unilateral attempt to send the money came as he closed his presidency with a critical eye toward Israel. In December, the UN Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Israel stop building settlements on Palestinian land. The US refused to vote on the resolution, effectively allowing it to pass.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-frozen-obamas-payment-to-palestine-2017-1

    When is it EVER appropriate to give tax payer funds to our enemies. This should not even be an issue. We have seniors, children, and vets living either on the streets or in sub standard housing, barely enough food and doing without medical help they need. $221 Million would help a lot of people here at home. Congress is supposed to help citizens of this country. I would bet my last dollar that congress will issue the check the minute the heat is off. It should never be allowed to happen. Let’s keep the heat on our reps to cancel the check.              

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 11:20 AM ET #2

    Thank God for Trump.
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    Thank God for Trump.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 9:08 PM ET #3

    you were right man . had to break down and accept it.


    copy paste and never respond...

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    you were right man . had to break down and accept it.


    copy paste and never respond...

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 9:44 PM ET #4

    So why do you say these people are our enemy?

    Are you also suggesting that Israel is our friends and we should not concern ourselves with the situation there and the abuses that Israel does to non-Israelis in the region?

    Its easy to throw out cut and paste headliners, but it is more rewarding finding out the WHY instead of just the relentless hating Obama throw-up you do every single day of your life.
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    So why do you say these people are our enemy?

    Are you also suggesting that Israel is our friends and we should not concern ourselves with the situation there and the abuses that Israel does to non-Israelis in the region?

    Its easy to throw out cut and paste headliners, but it is more rewarding finding out the WHY instead of just the relentless hating Obama throw-up you do every single day of your life.
     
    MoneySRH
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 12:07 AM ET #5

    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.

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    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.

     
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    Sorry but as usual you and zelo are missing the point.

    Israel is not our friend, they use us and we use them...when they want to get our help they will help us. When they want to do things we disagree with they will do so. That is not what we call a friendship.

    Palestine is not our enemy, it is like calling white people our enemies because some white people are morons and kill other people..there are groups inside ANY large generalized society (in this case Palestine) that act poorly, that does not make the general group as cut and paste guy and you are suggesting as our enemies.

    I actually think a "friend" who uses you and does things that go against a "friendship" when it is to their reasoning and benefit are no friend at all.

    Sorry but take off the blinders and wake up...both of you.
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    Sorry but as usual you and zelo are missing the point.

    Israel is not our friend, they use us and we use them...when they want to get our help they will help us. When they want to do things we disagree with they will do so. That is not what we call a friendship.

    Palestine is not our enemy, it is like calling white people our enemies because some white people are morons and kill other people..there are groups inside ANY large generalized society (in this case Palestine) that act poorly, that does not make the general group as cut and paste guy and you are suggesting as our enemies.

    I actually think a "friend" who uses you and does things that go against a "friendship" when it is to their reasoning and benefit are no friend at all.

    Sorry but take off the blinders and wake up...both of you.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 3:41 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.


    You don't sound bias at all, Refreshing to hear a very balanced opinion on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.


    You don't sound bias at all, Refreshing to hear a very balanced opinion on the subject.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 4:24 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.

    So if the sunni's want to destroy israel then why do we give the saudi's so much millitary aid since they are sunni's?Great way for "friends" to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Why are Palestinians the enemy? Are you serious? You’re asking why are Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous, pedophile prophet, are the enemy? Sunni Muslims did not want a non-Muslim state anywhere in the Middle East. The United States must stand beside them. That's what the United States stands for.

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - valor - perseverance - justice. The United States must stand with the J3wish state to fight against the
    Sunni Muslims, which wish the annihilation of Israel, in the name of their sick, disgusting, rapist, murderous - pedophile prophet.

    So if the sunni's want to destroy israel then why do we give the saudi's so much millitary aid since they are sunni's?Great way for "friends" to act.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 7:43 PM ET #9

    wallstreetcappers - Sorry but that makes no sense at all. Israel is obviously a friend of the US. An ally is a friendship that exists to unite for a common cause and purpose. Israel is an ally of the US. They have each other's back. That's what friends do. Friends can disagree. The idea that friends always have to agree is childish. Palestine is our enemy. In WW2 the enemy was Germany and Japan. Not some Germans. Not some Japanese. But the entire countries of Germany and Japan. Currently, the country of Palestine is an enemy of the US and Israel. This is the reality of the situation. I can't believe someone your age still has such a childlike view point.

    Darkhorse - Because the Saudis own the Middle East and all the oil. The US uses the Saudis for oil, economic reasons, and military reasons. Sadly the US and western world are dependent on Saudi Arabia because they own and control the oil market. Oil makes the world go round. The US would've taken over Saudi Arabia by now if it was possible to do so without harming the US and the rest of the western world in the process.
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    wallstreetcappers - Sorry but that makes no sense at all. Israel is obviously a friend of the US. An ally is a friendship that exists to unite for a common cause and purpose. Israel is an ally of the US. They have each other's back. That's what friends do. Friends can disagree. The idea that friends always have to agree is childish. Palestine is our enemy. In WW2 the enemy was Germany and Japan. Not some Germans. Not some Japanese. But the entire countries of Germany and Japan. Currently, the country of Palestine is an enemy of the US and Israel. This is the reality of the situation. I can't believe someone your age still has such a childlike view point.

    Darkhorse - Because the Saudis own the Middle East and all the oil. The US uses the Saudis for oil, economic reasons, and military reasons. Sadly the US and western world are dependent on Saudi Arabia because they own and control the oil market. Oil makes the world go round. The US would've taken over Saudi Arabia by now if it was possible to do so without harming the US and the rest of the western world in the process.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 8:48 PM ET #10

    lets say we do send 231 million to the plo hamas or hezbolah whomever is governing the Palestinians. what are they going to do with this fortune.

    A help there people invest in infrastructure hospitals education feed the poor take care of the sick an elderly?

    B. purchase weapon system recruit suicide bombers buy missles.

    C leadership keeps the money that was not publically announced and leaves the area to fund the terror activities.

    if you believe A .... hmmm... there is hope but you are naïve.

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    lets say we do send 231 million to the plo hamas or hezbolah whomever is governing the Palestinians. what are they going to do with this fortune.

    A help there people invest in infrastructure hospitals education feed the poor take care of the sick an elderly?

    B. purchase weapon system recruit suicide bombers buy missles.

    C leadership keeps the money that was not publically announced and leaves the area to fund the terror activities.

    if you believe A .... hmmm... there is hope but you are naïve.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 10:04 PM ET #11

    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.
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    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 10:41 PM ET #12

    Mivtza Za'am Ha'el

    I do understand what has happened to the Arab people that once owned That land. Their land was taken by USA and given to the Hebrews after NAZI's were defeated in ww2 . They should have been compensated for this yes.

    The Palestinians buy rockets to launch missiles at Israel Israel buys tanks bombs planes to react to what is happening. NOW we supply them both for whose benefit but to continue the war .

    While we the people in the USA wish for peace or a win. Leaders of Military do not they only wish to continue the war it makes money.


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    Mivtza Za'am Ha'el

    I do understand what has happened to the Arab people that once owned That land. Their land was taken by USA and given to the Hebrews after NAZI's were defeated in ww2 . They should have been compensated for this yes.

    The Palestinians buy rockets to launch missiles at Israel Israel buys tanks bombs planes to react to what is happening. NOW we supply them both for whose benefit but to continue the war .

    While we the people in the USA wish for peace or a win. Leaders of Military do not they only wish to continue the war it makes money.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2017 - 11:09 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.

    like I said i have hope if you chose A.

    and you will have to google the term bing is useless as a search window....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.

    like I said i have hope if you chose A.

    and you will have to google the term bing is useless as a search window....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 12:06 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - 


    Purity huh?

    That pretty much sums you up. 

    What would your Mexican ex-wife think of that comment? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     

    Yes, Israel is our friend. Israel stands for the same values as the United States - purity - 


    Purity huh?

    That pretty much sums you up. 

    What would your Mexican ex-wife think of that comment? 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 2:36 AM ET #15

    guess you and money wish to debate

    this thread will be shredded of late

    like my time was when I talked of Chicago

    but who cares it was all a mistake.

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    guess you and money wish to debate

    this thread will be shredded of late

    like my time was when I talked of Chicago

    but who cares it was all a mistake.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 2:38 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Purity huh?

    That pretty much sums you up. 

    What would your Mexican ex-wife think of that comment? 

    so you wanna holla that moneys ex wife refused to swalla

    give it rest you see the best and if you cant stomach it

    just falla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Purity huh?

    That pretty much sums you up. 

    What would your Mexican ex-wife think of that comment? 

    so you wanna holla that moneys ex wife refused to swalla

    give it rest you see the best and if you cant stomach it

    just falla.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 2:51 AM ET #17

    spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts 
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    spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 2:56 AM ET #18

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan] spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts  [/Quote


    he can definitely make rhyme with some friggen million dollar words I will have to step up the GAME to be at his league

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan] spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts  [/Quote


    he can definitely make rhyme with some friggen million dollar words I will have to step up the GAME to be at his league

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 4:14 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.
    Yes - You have a clear child like point of view. What rules does Israel break? Do you mean defend itself and the people of Israel against Muslim invasion, oppression, and conquest?

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was? If not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than 3,000 years old today. The Arabs are not native to Palestine - they are aboriginal to Arabia. It is the J3ws who are the aboriginal tribe. J3wish people have maintained ties to their homeland for more than 3,700 years. The US did the right thing by helping form the rebirth of Israel.

    Who cares what Palestinians want? They are not a moral, civilized people. The Israelis share American values, share democratic politics, share a culture committed to morality, peace, freedom, prosperity, justice, and a devotion to building a better world. They are an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization. Obama is pro-terrorist. All you have to do is study his words, his worldview, his book, his politics, his father, his friends, and his associations.

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Childlike point of view?

    I dont trust Israel at all, no I do not. I do not think they are our friends, I think they use us when they can and try to take advantage of us when they need but they break many rules that we as a country and as a military do not...and do so quite regularly. 

    I do not think you can generalize Palestine as you have, I do not agree with your conclusion. I do know that if what happened to them happened to us I am very sure we would be quite angry about it.

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was, and to be told by a third party that Israel was given prime land in an area you feel is yours would make ANYONE upset..and that is what happened. The UN gave them something that the Palestines did not agree to and were not given any consideration at all.

    Looking at a headline like this and drawing a conclusion is very lazy, we dont know any detail at all so how can anyone know what this meant and why?

    Of course it is easier to listen to some media hack and think Obama is pro-terrorist, but of course that is wrong and if you believe the headline you should be ashamed of yourself.
    Yes - You have a clear child like point of view. What rules does Israel break? Do you mean defend itself and the people of Israel against Muslim invasion, oppression, and conquest?

    Palestinians were in the region before Israel was? If not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than 3,000 years old today. The Arabs are not native to Palestine - they are aboriginal to Arabia. It is the J3ws who are the aboriginal tribe. J3wish people have maintained ties to their homeland for more than 3,700 years. The US did the right thing by helping form the rebirth of Israel.

    Who cares what Palestinians want? They are not a moral, civilized people. The Israelis share American values, share democratic politics, share a culture committed to morality, peace, freedom, prosperity, justice, and a devotion to building a better world. They are an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization. Obama is pro-terrorist. All you have to do is study his words, his worldview, his book, his politics, his father, his friends, and his associations.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 10:39 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     

    Who cares what Palestinians want? They are not a moral, civilized people. 


    You were born a few decades too late because it was this type of broad brush mentality that allowed and led to lynchings. 

    ISIS, whose members are by choice, fit into your postulation. As a general people, the Palestinians (same with the Israelis), just want peace. 

    Unfortunately, the people of both are often defined by the more aggressive leaders compared to those who worked for peace (compare Abbas who became the first leader to recognize Israel and attended Shimon Peres' funeral with Prime Minister with Mohammed Dahlen who has advocated for war with Israel and the aforementioned Peres who advocated for two States with Sharon who refused to recognize the Palestinian's right to sovereignty). 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     

    Who cares what Palestinians want? They are not a moral, civilized people. 


    You were born a few decades too late because it was this type of broad brush mentality that allowed and led to lynchings. 

    ISIS, whose members are by choice, fit into your postulation. As a general people, the Palestinians (same with the Israelis), just want peace. 

    Unfortunately, the people of both are often defined by the more aggressive leaders compared to those who worked for peace (compare Abbas who became the first leader to recognize Israel and attended Shimon Peres' funeral with Prime Minister with Mohammed Dahlen who has advocated for war with Israel and the aforementioned Peres who advocated for two States with Sharon who refused to recognize the Palestinian's right to sovereignty). 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    You were born a few decades too late because it was this type of broad brush mentality that allowed and led to lynchings. 

    Liberals, whose members are by choice, fit into your postulation. As a general people, the Conservatives (same with the Independents), just want peace. 

    Unfortunately, the people of both are often defined by the more aggressive leaders compared to those who worked for peace 

    bigreds daddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    You were born a few decades too late because it was this type of broad brush mentality that allowed and led to lynchings. 

    Liberals, whose members are by choice, fit into your postulation. As a general people, the Conservatives (same with the Independents), just want peace. 

    Unfortunately, the people of both are often defined by the more aggressive leaders compared to those who worked for peace 

     
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    I think you need to read more than pro-Israel propaganda because clearly you are brainwashed as to what is going on in that area.

    It is also obvious you are relying heavily on the Bible for your reference to who was first and who deserves what...and that is unfortunate.

    What you did not address and cannot is that the UN gave prime area to Israel and did not consult or consider anyone but Israel in that decision...and I wonder why that was and is now?

    How would you like it if the UN decided to take your city away and give it to some third party when you and the citizens have lived there for several hundred years and give you NOTHING for it?

    Israel is not just defending themselves, they provoke and use questionable tactics to forward their cause and goals. Notice the word defend and forward...defending means you are not making active, aggressive decisions, forwarding is the opposite. 

    One more thing, that region is not, was not and never will be Israels outside their belief system..most other people IN THAT AREA do not agree with the decision and as you know in the past the choice of action is to kill everyone who is not of their heritage at any cost to take what they feel is theirs.


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    I think you need to read more than pro-Israel propaganda because clearly you are brainwashed as to what is going on in that area.

    It is also obvious you are relying heavily on the Bible for your reference to who was first and who deserves what...and that is unfortunate.

    What you did not address and cannot is that the UN gave prime area to Israel and did not consult or consider anyone but Israel in that decision...and I wonder why that was and is now?

    How would you like it if the UN decided to take your city away and give it to some third party when you and the citizens have lived there for several hundred years and give you NOTHING for it?

    Israel is not just defending themselves, they provoke and use questionable tactics to forward their cause and goals. Notice the word defend and forward...defending means you are not making active, aggressive decisions, forwarding is the opposite. 

    One more thing, that region is not, was not and never will be Israels outside their belief system..most other people IN THAT AREA do not agree with the decision and as you know in the past the choice of action is to kill everyone who is not of their heritage at any cost to take what they feel is theirs.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I think you need to read more than pro-Israel propaganda because clearly you are brainwashed as to what is going on in that area.

    It is also obvious you are relying heavily on the Bible for your reference to who was first and who deserves what...and that is unfortunate.

    What you did not address and cannot is that the UN gave prime area to Israel and did not consult or consider anyone but Israel in that decision...and I wonder why that was and is now?

    How would you like it if the UN decided to take your city away and give it to some third party when you and the citizens have lived there for several hundred years and give you NOTHING for it?

    Israel is not just defending themselves, they provoke and use questionable tactics to forward their cause and goals. Notice the word defend and forward...defending means you are not making active, aggressive decisions, forwarding is the opposite. 

    One more thing, that region is not, was not and never will be Israels outside their belief system..most other people IN THAT AREA do not agree with the decision and as you know in the past the choice of action is to kill everyone who is not of their heritage at any cost to take what they feel is theirs.



    While you and I differ somewhat on Israel, the other piece to this is the almighty .

    Jerusalem and Bethlehem bring in incredible amounts of cash due to tourism. Losing that land is akin to losing billions of dollars per year. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I think you need to read more than pro-Israel propaganda because clearly you are brainwashed as to what is going on in that area.

    It is also obvious you are relying heavily on the Bible for your reference to who was first and who deserves what...and that is unfortunate.

    What you did not address and cannot is that the UN gave prime area to Israel and did not consult or consider anyone but Israel in that decision...and I wonder why that was and is now?

    How would you like it if the UN decided to take your city away and give it to some third party when you and the citizens have lived there for several hundred years and give you NOTHING for it?

    Israel is not just defending themselves, they provoke and use questionable tactics to forward their cause and goals. Notice the word defend and forward...defending means you are not making active, aggressive decisions, forwarding is the opposite. 

    One more thing, that region is not, was not and never will be Israels outside their belief system..most other people IN THAT AREA do not agree with the decision and as you know in the past the choice of action is to kill everyone who is not of their heritage at any cost to take what they feel is theirs.



    While you and I differ somewhat on Israel, the other piece to this is the almighty .

    Jerusalem and Bethlehem bring in incredible amounts of cash due to tourism. Losing that land is akin to losing billions of dollars per year. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2017 - 1:07 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts 

    As would Dr. Seuss. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    spockgato will be disappointed in your efforts 

    As would Dr. Seuss. 
     
     
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    That's pretty funny 
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    That's pretty funny 
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