True, although in fairness to Joe Biden, he had another son, who - unlike trump's kids - volunteered to serve our country in uniform before going on to become an Attorney General:

"Beau Biden was awarded the Bronze Star Medal for his service in Iraq.

Army Chief of Staff Raymond Odierno delivered the eulogy at Biden's funeral and presented a posthumous Legion of Merit for his service in the Delaware National Guard, stating:

        "Beau Biden possessed the traits
    I have witnessed in only the greatest leaders."

Beau was also posthumously presented with the Delaware Conspicuous Service Cross, which is "awarded for heroism, meritorious service and outstanding achievement".

@spockgato

 LOL well is it not 100% accurate? I remember over the years watching Biden throw money down the toilet in running for POTUS and the guy just lacks that dynamic intelligent skill that others have, he comes off as a step or two below the better politicians and I do not recall him having an impact at all outside of being Obama's shadow. His kid is a druggie and is into hookers, that is not a lie. Trumps kids are entitled snobby elitists who were shipped off to boarding school and college while dad hit the airlines for action and tried to be cool on the Howard Stern show. I didnt say anything slanderous or shocking, and for sure my comments are completely non-partisan.

Way back in February Biden was 4th or 5th.  He then began gaining ground fast after SC.  Once he got the the lead after Super Tuesday he never relinquished it.

So, Sanders only had the lead after the first 3 states were held.

Sanders did not do a good job of winning the Clinton voters over; Biden did a much better job of winning those votes.  He won nearly all of those areas.  This is what ultimately did Sanders in.

He appealed greatly to a certain sect of folks but was too radical for the mainstream Democrats in key areas.

Sanders only won single digit amount of states and Biden had run him out of the election by April.

Now a better case can be made for some shenanigans against Clinton in the previous election with the Super delegates and such.

Sanders had his best chance against Clinton and that was his time.  As much as Clinton may have been a more qualified or better candidate— folks disliked her more than they did Biden.

This is generally the case with more radical candidates.  There is an initial upswelling of support and they even gather in some of the middle ground folks.  Then support tapers off and only the most ardent supporters are left.

You can see that with Perot and Sanders and even more very fringe candidates.

I contend you now have seen this with Trump.  He was along the same lines the first time around and generated interest from a lot of folks that were upset with normal politicians.

The next time, support had tapered off.

This time I think it has tapered off even more.

Now he is left with just his ardent base.  I do not see him getting any additional areas that he would need to beat Biden, or any other Democrat at this time.

I feel the Democratic Party leaders know this and that is exactly why they want to run against him.

Yeah but the older peeps in here who roll Democrat for life with the autographed Clinton Saxophone over their fireplace and the sweaty Obama basketball sock safely locked up in the vault are getting up there in years …….

and I’m not sure that their tickers can take the fiery flames that you are laying out here because for me , with what you said , you’re more of a heartbreaker than the young Elvis Presley was to his youthful female audience the day he tied the knot with Priscilla ….. ya heard me ?

take it easy on them fellas , they’re cantankerous and prone to emotional pain and I know it’s chomping away at them like a flesh eating disease knowing that they can’t make discussion when it goes contrary to what they believe in ……even if it’s with you 

Not speaking up can be a silent killer ya dig ?

I simply cannot understand why there is not a sense of urgency to run younger candidates.  
Whether you like him or not, Newsome should be running.  DeSantis should be running.  Etc., etc.

Get some of these guys out there and at least get the experience of running on a National stage.  

I understand the incumbent being the easiest path to choose.  But there should be viable candidates from both sides to choose from and not just old guys that cannot energize the folks — let alone unite them. 

@spockgato

It is not just that.  You are right, to a point. 

But this attitude is passed down to the younger generations.  Either the parents or schools influence them too much.  Then depending on the area they grow up in also, they tend to stick with the same no matter what.  There is a lack of critical thinking or interest by the younger folks.  

That is why some of the candidates fail to build on their initial base the next time around.  They have to keep convincing more and more folks that they have a plan — they fail to do so.  Then a new generation is of age to vote and the stagnant cycle continues. Etc. 

I completely dig what you’re slingin’ in my direction big dog but I think you possibly may have misunderstood the message I was attempting to convey ……

because if wallstreet doesn’t take it easy with that hot fire that he’s spitting in here , certain members of this forum will be punching at their couches and heaving their Hungry Man dinners across the room with such force that it may decapitate their pet cat Skittles and that shit I just can’t have on my conscience …..

because there’s still a good chunk of change till we get to Sunday when I can get to church , where I can pray for forgiveness for being a part of something that took that demon feline’s 9th and final life giddy up ….

@spockgato

 I got that part also.  But could care less about that.  Haha!  
Was just addressing the rest of it. 

You’re a real stand up individual and if my future children garner some of your mannerisms or characteristics I wouldn’t be mad , but if they end up looking like you , well that means that maybe you slept with my future wife , that two timing piece of shit harlot  , and you can keep her cuz I hear Tijuana is lovely this time of year 

 may he rest in peace 

@wallstreetcappers

I appreciate your point of view and agree Biden is a 2nd row politician that was in the right place right time!  That said the crux of the investigation seems to be that family members of Joe Biden engaged in business while having the last name Biden. They seem to insinuate that Hunter Biden has no qualifications for business other than his dad’s name, when the reality is that he’s a Harvard Law Graduate that was employed in one of the nation’s most prestigious, high powered law firms.

And they imply that Hunter and his uncle promised that they could pull strings inside the government.

So what? There’s no solid evidence that they did so, and less than zero evidence that Joe Biden was aware they were making these promises.

The government of Great Britain had spent time and money on an investigation that resulted in the seizure of funds that belonged to the of Burisma, with the intent of returning them to the Ukrainian people.

The Ukrainian prosecutor investigating the case was in cahoots with the owner of Burisma, and deliberately botched the investigation from his end, which resulted in the money being returned to the owner of Burisma. This caused widespread international outrage, and many figures in Western politics, including Joe Biden, pushed for the corrupt prosecutor to be fired. Joe Biden did not hesitate to push for the ouster of this guy, even though he was a crony of his son’s business associate.

So any source that twists this completely around into an accusation that Joe performed an action that helped his son’s associate, when the opposite was true, is really suspect and it impinges on the credibility of anything else they say.

I don’t doubt that Hunter had large financial transactions that may have generated suspicious activity reports. It’s probably true that he paid prostitutes. But none of that has anything to do with Joe Biden. Unlike the three oldest Trump children, Hunter has lead a life independent from his father, and has never worked for his father in any professional or political capacity.

What’s next the Biden children made money from book deals? That’s the biggest So What? yet. Do you not know that’s sort of typical for the children of Presidents, including Ivanka Trump and Don Trump Jr?  “ As far I’m concerned Junior & Eric they were spawned and shipped to boarding school…Just like there father and it show’s “

But let face it kids with famous parents have advantages because of who their parents are. That’s not a scandal, that’s reality. I think if the investigation of Hunter is warranted, then the FBI needs to investigate the children of every private citizen that has benefited from their family’s name and connection. Was he supposed to change his name?I agree that Hunter is less than a model citizen, but there is absolutely no evidence that he was ever involved in his father’s professional or political life. When it’s produced the same concrete evidence like they have on Trump then charges should be filed!…JMHO 

 Friday, Aug 11,

  BREAKING NEWS ...

Attorney General Merrick Garland today announced he has appointed David Weiss to Special Counsel in Hunter Biden probe.

Reports are that Weiss had requested special counsel status following the failure of the previously agreed plea deal.

David Weiss, who is a republican appointee of trump, had been overseeing the case already.

He has stated adamantly that neither the DOJ nor the White House has interfered in any way with his investigation, despite unsubstantiated accusations to the contrary.

@fubah2

 Unexpected development, but they need to be thorough.  With a special counsel this means there will be an official "report" for the record issued by Weiss at the conclusion of his investigation.   But by the looks of it this expansion in powers could stretch things out for several more months.

Good simple article:

'Bidenomics' Has Been a Disaster

After 40 years of "trickle-down economics," President Joe Biden says, "Bidenomics is just another way of saying restoring the American Dream."

It's not often that a politician openly pledges to bring the country back to a time of crippling inflation, high energy prices and stifling interest rates. But this president is doing his best to keep that promise.

Unsurprisingly, "Bidenomics" is failing to gain traction among voters. This has caused consternation in the media. One thing to remember, though, is that "Bidenomics" isn't really a thing. Unlike, say, "Reaganomics," which helped bring about the largest expansion of the middle class in world history, the president does not subscribe to any coherent or tangible set of economic theories or principles. The White House defines its economic policy as being "rooted in the recognition that the best way to grow the economy is from the middle out and the bottom up," which is just platitudinous gibberish.

"Bidenomics" encompass anything and everything that's convenient for Democrats. And in this moment, it's convenient for them to take credit for merely letting people go back to work. Biden, who once claimed that the Democrats $3.5 trillion Build Back Better plan cost "zero dollars," isn't exactly a math whiz. But when he says stuff like "13.4 million jobs have been added to our economy" under his watch, more than "any other president in a full 4-year term," anyone with even a passing familiarity with the events of the years preceding 2023 knows it's a lie of omission.

The notion that presidents "create" jobs is itself a fantasy. In this case, though, Biden supported efforts to shutter private businesses during the pandemic, basically closing the entire economy, not only while running for president but after winning office. When Florida, and other states, attempted to ease some restrictions, Biden told them to "get out of the way" so that people could "do the right thing." The pressure exerted on states to "do the right thing" was immense.

All of which is to say that the president and his allies had far more to do with destroying jobs than creating them. We don't need to relitigate the efficacy of COVID policy here, but approximately 10 million of the jobs that Biden now brags about overseeing are just people coming back to the workforce after state-compelled lockdowns.

Then again, if "Bidenomics" had meant doing absolutely nothing, it would have been the president's greatest political accomplishment. But that would have meant allowing a crisis to go to waste. Instead, what "Bidenomics" did help create was the biggest four-year inflationary spike under any president in 40 years.

By the time the American Rescue Plan was passed, there was already too much money chasing too few goods. Tons of people warned about the consequences of dumping more money into the economy. Even when inflation began inching up, Biden dismissed it -- "no serious economist" is "suggesting there's unchecked inflation on the way," he said. Democrats, of course, wanted to cram through a $5 trillion progressive agenda spending bill. So, when inflation became a big, nontransitory political problem, the Biden administration began arguing that more spending would help ease inflation.

Again, the vital thing to remember about "Bidenomics" is that it makes absolutely zero sense.

Only after inflation became a political issue did the Democrats rename Build Back Better the Inflation Reduction Act. It still contained all the historic spending, corporate welfare, price-fixing, and tax hikes, but, more importantly, it also still had absolutely nothing to do with mitigating inflation.

None of this is to even mention the hundreds of billions "Bidenomics" "invested" -- the enduring euphemism for spending money we don't have -- in social engineering projects that would force us to abandon modernity in the name of "climate justice." This brand of spending was based on a (misguided) moral prerogative, not any kind of prudent economic decision making, to say the least.

A writer in the New Yorker recently asked, "Why Isn't Joe Biden Getting More Credit for a Big Drop in Inflation?" Probably because there is no "Bidenomics" policy that has helped lower inflation. Quite the opposite. We're still trying to recover from the president's economic policy. It's the Fed that was compelled to hike interest rates at a level not seen in 30 years to inhibit economic growth partly due to government-induced inflation. It, not Biden, brought down inflation.

Presidents who oversee strong economies, often benefitting from the luck of history or existing policies, will see fewer jobs "created" during their terms because space for growth is limited. Biden was given more economic headroom than any president in history -- and blew it. That's the real legacy of "Bidenomics."

[Quote: Originally Posted by fubah2]

Unemployment down to 3.5% again!

   During the past 16 months,
       the jobless rate has hovered between 3.5% and 3.7%
           — incredible levels not seen in more than 50 years!    

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president biden !!!      

Sept and Oct 2019 say hello   Jan 2020 say hello and Feb 202 say good bye 

Like the man said: Then again, if "Bidenomics" had meant doing absolutely nothing, it would have been the president's greatest political accomplishment.

and

But when he says stuff like "13.4 million jobs have been added to our economy" under his watch, more than "any other president in a full 4-year term," anyone with even a passing familiarity with the events of the years preceding 2023 knows it's a lie of omission.

So, finally getting back to earlier levels and trends pre-Biden   

So, despite Biden and Democrats the folks are going back to work.