Leave it to you SS to miss the point, see socialism is not ONLY a political term, socialism is not only about government..think of more of a collectivism approach than just how you are thinking regarding political and government only.
Christ lived a communal style life, sharing and giving and everyone working together to provide for all, kind of similar to how the Amish function where there is a common purpose and goal and shared resources. His life was not about government and politics but the principals he shared have implications in society.
Socialism in its political only definition for sure does not exactly equate because as you said Christ deferred government and did not want any involvement in the institution or process.
I have to wonder why it is that you always have to take a jab at the
person you are responding to in your reply ..It makes you look petty,but
I guess that's just who you are........nevertheless..
Your last post
beckons me to point out a few things I disagree with..In spite of
that.. I will make this my last post to this side topic.
Socialism
is about government and cannot be confused with collectivism..if you
were to have first said Christ was a collectivist and not a socialist
..this discussion would have ended a while back ..But you didn't you
claimed that He was a socialist.. Socialism has one meaning.. in
which the state has control of the means of production..while collectivism is a system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the people collectively.
As far as,Christ life style being similar to how the Amish function,, it wasn't .. He did not stay in an isolated area not connecting to the outside world like the Amish do ...He had a low budget traveling ministry that went to many places. . So,even though Jesus did not involve Himself in the politics of His day, He
did teach His disciples to respect governmental authorities....respect for your nation’s leader
is part of the responsibility of a true Christian,wouldn't you agree?
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Leave it to you SS to miss the point, see socialism is not ONLY a political term, socialism is not only about government..think of more of a collectivism approach than just how you are thinking regarding political and government only.
Christ lived a communal style life, sharing and giving and everyone working together to provide for all, kind of similar to how the Amish function where there is a common purpose and goal and shared resources. His life was not about government and politics but the principals he shared have implications in society.
Socialism in its political only definition for sure does not exactly equate because as you said Christ deferred government and did not want any involvement in the institution or process.
I have to wonder why it is that you always have to take a jab at the
person you are responding to in your reply ..It makes you look petty,but
I guess that's just who you are........nevertheless..
Your last post
beckons me to point out a few things I disagree with..In spite of
that.. I will make this my last post to this side topic.
Socialism
is about government and cannot be confused with collectivism..if you
were to have first said Christ was a collectivist and not a socialist
..this discussion would have ended a while back ..But you didn't you
claimed that He was a socialist.. Socialism has one meaning.. in
which the state has control of the means of production..while collectivism is a system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the people collectively.
As far as,Christ life style being similar to how the Amish function,, it wasn't .. He did not stay in an isolated area not connecting to the outside world like the Amish do ...He had a low budget traveling ministry that went to many places. . So,even though Jesus did not involve Himself in the politics of His day, He
did teach His disciples to respect governmental authorities....respect for your nation’s leader
is part of the responsibility of a true Christian,wouldn't you agree?
Other things you may not want to remind SS of wallstreetcappers. There is a great deal of difference between communism and socialism, and an even greater distance to Christian Socialism. That would be way over his head; probably over the heads of 99% of the “Christian” posters.
Jesus Christ was most certainly a socialist, and what will really pizz them off I will state now and let the dolts bash away.
The United States of America was founded as a Socialist Republic. Let them scream. I don’t care. None of them can even separate Communism from Socialism, or Christian Socialism anyway. Why bother to offer more? No good reason. Dolts were born to be dolts and are just fulfilling their destiny.
The only “Christians” you hear from will be those that are members of the over 33,000 different Protestant denominations that can agree on only one thing; the Catholic Church got in wrong. Beyond that all 33,000 think their little individual sect is the one that got it “right”.
be to you, wallstreetcappers
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
Other things you may not want to remind SS of wallstreetcappers. There is a great deal of difference between communism and socialism, and an even greater distance to Christian Socialism. That would be way over his head; probably over the heads of 99% of the “Christian” posters.
Jesus Christ was most certainly a socialist, and what will really pizz them off I will state now and let the dolts bash away.
The United States of America was founded as a Socialist Republic. Let them scream. I don’t care. None of them can even separate Communism from Socialism, or Christian Socialism anyway. Why bother to offer more? No good reason. Dolts were born to be dolts and are just fulfilling their destiny.
The only “Christians” you hear from will be those that are members of the over 33,000 different Protestant denominations that can agree on only one thing; the Catholic Church got in wrong. Beyond that all 33,000 think their little individual sect is the one that got it “right”.
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Leave it to you SS to miss the point, see socialism is not ONLY a political term, socialism is not only about government..think of more of a collectivism approach than just how you are thinking regarding political and government only. Christ lived a communal style life, sharing and giving and everyone working together to provide for all, kind of similar to how the Amish function where there is a common purpose and goal and shared resources. His life was not about government and politics but the principals he shared have implications in society. Socialism in its political only definition for sure does not exactly equate because as you said Christ deferred government and did not want any involvement in the institution or process. I have to wonder why it is that you always have to take a jab at the person you are responding to in your reply ..It makes you look petty,but I guess that's just who you are........nevertheless..Your last post beckons me to point out a few things I disagree with..In spite of that.. I will make this my last post to this side topic. Socialism is about government and cannot be confused with collectivism..if you were to have first said Christ was a collectivist and not a socialist ..this discussion would have ended a while back ..But you didn't you claimed that He was a socialist.. Socialism has one meaning.. in which the state has control of the means of production..while collectivism is a system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the people collectively. As far as,Christ life style being similar to how the Amish function,, it wasn't .. He did not stay in an isolated area not connecting to the outside world like the Amish do ...He had a low budget traveling ministry that went to many places..So,even though Jesus did not involve Himself in the politics of His day, He did teach His disciples to respect governmental authorities....respect for your nation’s leader is part of the responsibility of a true Christian,wouldn't you agree?
Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE.
But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are.
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Leave it to you SS to miss the point, see socialism is not ONLY a political term, socialism is not only about government..think of more of a collectivism approach than just how you are thinking regarding political and government only. Christ lived a communal style life, sharing and giving and everyone working together to provide for all, kind of similar to how the Amish function where there is a common purpose and goal and shared resources. His life was not about government and politics but the principals he shared have implications in society. Socialism in its political only definition for sure does not exactly equate because as you said Christ deferred government and did not want any involvement in the institution or process. I have to wonder why it is that you always have to take a jab at the person you are responding to in your reply ..It makes you look petty,but I guess that's just who you are........nevertheless..Your last post beckons me to point out a few things I disagree with..In spite of that.. I will make this my last post to this side topic. Socialism is about government and cannot be confused with collectivism..if you were to have first said Christ was a collectivist and not a socialist ..this discussion would have ended a while back ..But you didn't you claimed that He was a socialist.. Socialism has one meaning.. in which the state has control of the means of production..while collectivism is a system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the people collectively. As far as,Christ life style being similar to how the Amish function,, it wasn't .. He did not stay in an isolated area not connecting to the outside world like the Amish do ...He had a low budget traveling ministry that went to many places..So,even though Jesus did not involve Himself in the politics of His day, He did teach His disciples to respect governmental authorities....respect for your nation’s leader is part of the responsibility of a true Christian,wouldn't you agree?
Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE.
But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are.
Other things you may not want to remind SS of wallstreetcappers. There is a great deal of difference between communism and socialism, and an even greater distance to Christian Socialism. That would be way over his head; probably over the heads of 99% of the “Christian” posters. Jesus Christ was most certainly a socialist, and what will really pizz them off I will state now and let the dolts bash away. The United States of America was founded as a Socialist Republic. Let them scream. I don’t care. None of them can even separate Communism from Socialism, or Christian Socialism anyway. Why bother to offer more? No good reason. Dolts were born to be dolts and are just fulfilling their destiny. The only “Christians” you hear from will be those that are members of the over 33,000 different Protestant denominations that can agree on only one thing; the Catholic Church got in wrong. Beyond that all 33,000 think their little individual sect is the one that got it “right”. be to you, wallstreetcappers
Well we know how a certain group of people will look for the word or two to harp on missing the point completely..and you are right regarding Christ and his approach, but that would mean there is nothing to nitpick and argue about...and what fun is that?
Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:
Other things you may not want to remind SS of wallstreetcappers. There is a great deal of difference between communism and socialism, and an even greater distance to Christian Socialism. That would be way over his head; probably over the heads of 99% of the “Christian” posters. Jesus Christ was most certainly a socialist, and what will really pizz them off I will state now and let the dolts bash away. The United States of America was founded as a Socialist Republic. Let them scream. I don’t care. None of them can even separate Communism from Socialism, or Christian Socialism anyway. Why bother to offer more? No good reason. Dolts were born to be dolts and are just fulfilling their destiny. The only “Christians” you hear from will be those that are members of the over 33,000 different Protestant denominations that can agree on only one thing; the Catholic Church got in wrong. Beyond that all 33,000 think their little individual sect is the one that got it “right”. be to you, wallstreetcappers
Well we know how a certain group of people will look for the word or two to harp on missing the point completely..and you are right regarding Christ and his approach, but that would mean there is nothing to nitpick and argue about...and what fun is that?
Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE.
But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are.
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"
You are the one that brought religion into the thread ..right off the bat in post #10have you forgotten ? "So are you Christian or not? "
Do not try and blame me..for something you started ,that won't fly.
You also brought Christs' Bible references mixing it in with a political discussion about a politician President Trump (post #12)
Now,,, you even top that off with a direct mixing of Christ and President Trump..(post #24) "He does not follow the teachings of Christ, he hurts others and thus is hurting Christianity. "
Maybe you should have quit while you though you were ahead..ah?
Oh! .. and yes there is one leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the one......Except no one goes to the Father except through me.~ Jesus Christ
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE.
But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are.
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"
You are the one that brought religion into the thread ..right off the bat in post #10have you forgotten ? "So are you Christian or not? "
Do not try and blame me..for something you started ,that won't fly.
You also brought Christs' Bible references mixing it in with a political discussion about a politician President Trump (post #12)
Now,,, you even top that off with a direct mixing of Christ and President Trump..(post #24) "He does not follow the teachings of Christ, he hurts others and thus is hurting Christianity. "
Maybe you should have quit while you though you were ahead..ah?
Oh! .. and yes there is one leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the one......Except no one goes to the Father except through me.~ Jesus Christ
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE. But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"You are the one that brought religion into the thread ..right off the bat in post #10 have you forgotten ?"So are you Christian or not? "Do not try and blame me..for something you started ,that won't fly. You also brought Christs' Bible references mixing it in with a political discussion about a politician President Trump (post #12)Now,,, you even top that off with a direct mixing of Christ and President Trump..(post #24) "He does not follow the teachings of Christ, he hurts others and thus is hurting Christianity. "Maybe you should have quit while you though you were ahead..ah?Oh! .. and yes there is one leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the one......Except no one goes to the Father except through me.~ Jesus Christ
You cant even keep up with the subject SS....you took what I said out of context AGAIN...but that happens so much I lose track of your ability to stay on topic.
I said when YOU made the "attempt" to classify my comment about Christ being a socialist as a political remark THEN I said how could you imply a discussion about Christ and politics? You are astute and as you said you have more Christianity in one pinky or whatever than I do in total...so someone with such high regard for your Christianity would NEVER mix Christ and politics because he did not do it himself. I had to oddly defend the word socialist when you tried to twist it into a political definition which for sure it is not exclusively...so the comment was for a person self described as a great ultra-conservative Christian to mix the topics seems peculiar...any ultra would know that Christ distanced himself from politics so my use of the term socialist had ZERO to do with politics....but you were attempting to nitpick and criticize and failed...again.
You taking liberties to form a conclusion based on a word or two I said is fitting, you do that all the time...even in this reply you took those same erroneous liberties. If you want to quote and reference what I said then please use CONTEXT how I said it, not crafting a conclusion to TRY and fail at making a generalization.
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Oh my word...you live to nit pick the minute, it is pathetic. In THEORY the Amish live a collectivist style communal/group life, who the crap cares if they are not on the road prostlyting as Christ did...holy hell you are trying so hard. And you are wrong about the definition of socialism, you are looking ONLY at the political aspect and missing plenty. One thing is curious, being that you are so astute how would you think of mixing the discussion of Christ and politics anyway? Why would you associate my use of the words Christ and Socialist and think it has ANY kind of political importance? Christ was anti-politics, so you suggesting the definition was politcal means you miss the subject matter. The few times he discussed politics was to deflect it away and to separate his work and politics. I referenced collectivism because you obviously did not understand (and it shows) the reference of socialism and how it has relevance. Even in religion there are similarities to politics and that topic anyway...there is ONE leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the ONE. But ya know...I am sure you knew that anyway...being you are so astute as you are. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"You are the one that brought religion into the thread ..right off the bat in post #10 have you forgotten ?"So are you Christian or not? "Do not try and blame me..for something you started ,that won't fly. You also brought Christs' Bible references mixing it in with a political discussion about a politician President Trump (post #12)Now,,, you even top that off with a direct mixing of Christ and President Trump..(post #24) "He does not follow the teachings of Christ, he hurts others and thus is hurting Christianity. "Maybe you should have quit while you though you were ahead..ah?Oh! .. and yes there is one leader of the church, the father and all answer to him and work to further the one......Except no one goes to the Father except through me.~ Jesus Christ
You cant even keep up with the subject SS....you took what I said out of context AGAIN...but that happens so much I lose track of your ability to stay on topic.
I said when YOU made the "attempt" to classify my comment about Christ being a socialist as a political remark THEN I said how could you imply a discussion about Christ and politics? You are astute and as you said you have more Christianity in one pinky or whatever than I do in total...so someone with such high regard for your Christianity would NEVER mix Christ and politics because he did not do it himself. I had to oddly defend the word socialist when you tried to twist it into a political definition which for sure it is not exclusively...so the comment was for a person self described as a great ultra-conservative Christian to mix the topics seems peculiar...any ultra would know that Christ distanced himself from politics so my use of the term socialist had ZERO to do with politics....but you were attempting to nitpick and criticize and failed...again.
You taking liberties to form a conclusion based on a word or two I said is fitting, you do that all the time...even in this reply you took those same erroneous liberties. If you want to quote and reference what I said then please use CONTEXT how I said it, not crafting a conclusion to TRY and fail at making a generalization.
You cant even keep up with the subject SS....you took what I said out of context AGAIN...but that happens so much I lose track of your ability to stay on topic.
I said when YOU made the "attempt" to classify my comment about Christ being a socialist as a political remark THEN I said how could you imply a discussion about Christ and politics? You are astute and as you said you have more Christianity in one pinky or whatever than I do in total...so someone with such high regard for your Christianity would NEVER mix Christ and politics because he did not do it himself. I had to oddly defend the word socialist when you tried to twist it into a political definition which for sure it is not exclusively...so the comment was for a person self described as a great ultra-conservative Christian to mix the topics seems peculiar...any ultra would know that Christ distanced himself from politics so my use of the term socialist had ZERO to do with politics....but you were attempting to nitpick and criticize and failed...again.
You taking liberties to form a conclusion based on a word or two I said is fitting, you do that all the time...even in this reply you took those same erroneous liberties. If you want to quote and reference what I said then please use CONTEXT how I said it, not crafting a conclusion to TRY and fail at making a generalization.
Well, WSC I'd agree with you ,but then we'd both be wrong..
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
You cant even keep up with the subject SS....you took what I said out of context AGAIN...but that happens so much I lose track of your ability to stay on topic.
I said when YOU made the "attempt" to classify my comment about Christ being a socialist as a political remark THEN I said how could you imply a discussion about Christ and politics? You are astute and as you said you have more Christianity in one pinky or whatever than I do in total...so someone with such high regard for your Christianity would NEVER mix Christ and politics because he did not do it himself. I had to oddly defend the word socialist when you tried to twist it into a political definition which for sure it is not exclusively...so the comment was for a person self described as a great ultra-conservative Christian to mix the topics seems peculiar...any ultra would know that Christ distanced himself from politics so my use of the term socialist had ZERO to do with politics....but you were attempting to nitpick and criticize and failed...again.
You taking liberties to form a conclusion based on a word or two I said is fitting, you do that all the time...even in this reply you took those same erroneous liberties. If you want to quote and reference what I said then please use CONTEXT how I said it, not crafting a conclusion to TRY and fail at making a generalization.
Well, WSC I'd agree with you ,but then we'd both be wrong..
btw...Christ was so much a socialist I find it funny how Christians act as if the NT didnt exist and what Christ did in action and taught in principal did not really happen.
If Bernie Sanders could've turned water into wine - he would've got my vote!!!!
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
btw...Christ was so much a socialist I find it funny how Christians act as if the NT didnt exist and what Christ did in action and taught in principal did not really happen.
If Bernie Sanders could've turned water into wine - he would've got my vote!!!!
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I intentionally left that out because it was overkill...Trump fails at treating those who abuse and use you with great respect and love your enemy. I considered it but the point was more than made. YET even fake ultra-Christians like you will give him a pass even though he pretty much breaks every rule of kindness Christ taught. I have more Christian in my little finger than you have in your whole holier-than-thou body....
Well Slim, if you counted humility as one of your Christian virtues, I think you can scratch it.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I intentionally left that out because it was overkill...Trump fails at treating those who abuse and use you with great respect and love your enemy. I considered it but the point was more than made. YET even fake ultra-Christians like you will give him a pass even though he pretty much breaks every rule of kindness Christ taught. I have more Christian in my little finger than you have in your whole holier-than-thou body....
Well Slim, if you counted humility as one of your Christian virtues, I think you can scratch it.
Hmmmmm, correct me if I am wrong, didn't all of these accusations happen before Trump's marriage to Melania? so reallistically, what did he do wrong? have an affair with a porn star? did he commit adultery? and so what? no laws where violated in his behalf..
JFK is still the King of WH womanizing while serving as the President of the U.S. Jacky slept, Johnny played; fortunately for him, their was no social media, or CNN at that time 1963...when journalis were told to 'back-off' they backed -off; or suffered the consequences, when dealing with the presidents personal life, regardless.
Hmmmmm, correct me if I am wrong, didn't all of these accusations happen before Trump's marriage to Melania? so reallistically, what did he do wrong? have an affair with a porn star? did he commit adultery? and so what? no laws where violated in his behalf..
JFK is still the King of WH womanizing while serving as the President of the U.S. Jacky slept, Johnny played; fortunately for him, their was no social media, or CNN at that time 1963...when journalis were told to 'back-off' they backed -off; or suffered the consequences, when dealing with the presidents personal life, regardless.
After her interview on 60 Minutes CBS should sanitize that friggin chair. The microphone, and the glass she drinks out of, should only be handled with gloves on.
After her interview on 60 Minutes CBS should sanitize that friggin chair. The microphone, and the glass she drinks out of, should only be handled with gloves on.
be to you, 
Stormy
Morally bankrupt, cowardly idiot fake Russian puppet president. 
The microphone, and the glass she drinks out of, should only be handled with gloves on.
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