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    President Obama Is Handing a Strong Economy to His Successor

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    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 10:32 AM ET #1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/business/economy/jobs-report.html?_r=0

    Departing occupants of the White House rarely hand off an improving economy to a successor from the opposing party.

    When Barack Obama was waiting in the wings after the 2008 presidential election, for example, the economy was in a severe downward spiral: Employers reported cutting 533,000 jobs that November, the biggest monthly loss in a generation.

    But according to the government’s report on Friday, Donald J. Trump can expect to inherit an economy that has added private sector jobs for 80 months, put another 178,000 people on payrolls last month and pushed the unemployment rate down to 4.6 percent today from 4.9 percent the previous month. Wage growth, though slower, is still running ahead of inflation, and consumers are expressing the highest levels of confidence in nearly a decade.

    The Federal Reserve is confident enough about the economy’s underlying strength that it is now set to raise the benchmark interest rate when it meets later this month.


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    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/business/economy/jobs-report.html?_r=0

    Departing occupants of the White House rarely hand off an improving economy to a successor from the opposing party.

    When Barack Obama was waiting in the wings after the 2008 presidential election, for example, the economy was in a severe downward spiral: Employers reported cutting 533,000 jobs that November, the biggest monthly loss in a generation.

    But according to the government’s report on Friday, Donald J. Trump can expect to inherit an economy that has added private sector jobs for 80 months, put another 178,000 people on payrolls last month and pushed the unemployment rate down to 4.6 percent today from 4.9 percent the previous month. Wage growth, though slower, is still running ahead of inflation, and consumers are expressing the highest levels of confidence in nearly a decade.

    The Federal Reserve is confident enough about the economy’s underlying strength that it is now set to raise the benchmark interest rate when it meets later this month.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 10:35 AM ET #2

    The jobless rate for November, the lowest since August 2007, “is a testimony to how strong employment growth has been,” said Jim O’Sullivan, chief United States economist at High Frequency Economics.

    Jason Furman, now chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, remembers the transition eight years ago, when he was crammed into his office with a circle of key officials as the latest jobs numbers from the Labor Department landed.

    “It was an utterly terrifying time, the likes of which none of us had ever seen in our lifetimes,” Mr. Furman recalled. Fearing that “the economy was following the same trajectory that it did at the beginning of the Great Depression,” everyone was focused on how to “rapidly slow the bleeding and figure out how to get the economy growing again.”

    By contrast, Mr. Furman said, “the economy today is healthy and it’s improving.”

    For all the improvements, tens of millions of Americans understandably feel that the recovery has passed them by. Those without skills are relegated to low-paying positions without steady schedules, security and benefits. Breadwinners who once held well-compensated manufacturing jobs are angry about being forced to settle for lower-wage service jobs — or no jobs at all.

    Profound anxiety, particularly among the white working class, about the ability to reach or comfortably remain in the middle class is one of the factors that helped propel Mr. Trump to the White House.

    Pockets of weakness also surfaced in the latest jobs report, which showed that more people dropped out of the labor force last month than joined it. Manufacturing jobs declined further, and there are still plenty of part-time workers who would rather be full time. And while the official jobless rate for high school graduates fell to 4.9 percent, it is more than twice the rate for college graduates.

    “There is a bifurcation of the work force,” Jonas Prising, chairman and chief executive of the ManpowerGroup, one of the largest recruiters in the United States. People who are able to take advantage of advances in technology, globalization and other shifts that favor those with the right skills for the nation’s advanced services are thriving.

    For others, the prospects do not look good. “There used to be part of the work force that had well-paying jobs that were low or unskilled,” Mr. Prising said. “Those kinds of jobs are very difficult to find today.”

    The deal that Mr. Trump made with the heating and cooling company Carrier this week to keep 1,000 manufacturing jobs from moving to Mexico from Indiana is emblematic of the kind of actions he said he would take as president to help blue-collar workers.

    But there are limits to the power of persuasion.

    Betsey Stevenson, an economist at the University of Michigan and a former economic adviser to Mr. Obama, said that manufacturing, while still a driving force in the economy, employed fewer and fewer people. More than 80 percent of jobs are now in the service industry, Ms. Stevenson said, and Mr. Trump should be thinking more about how to match workers with those jobs.

    “The economy is in a great place, and his biggest challenge is continuing that,” she said.


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    The jobless rate for November, the lowest since August 2007, “is a testimony to how strong employment growth has been,” said Jim O’Sullivan, chief United States economist at High Frequency Economics.

    Jason Furman, now chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, remembers the transition eight years ago, when he was crammed into his office with a circle of key officials as the latest jobs numbers from the Labor Department landed.

    “It was an utterly terrifying time, the likes of which none of us had ever seen in our lifetimes,” Mr. Furman recalled. Fearing that “the economy was following the same trajectory that it did at the beginning of the Great Depression,” everyone was focused on how to “rapidly slow the bleeding and figure out how to get the economy growing again.”

    By contrast, Mr. Furman said, “the economy today is healthy and it’s improving.”

    For all the improvements, tens of millions of Americans understandably feel that the recovery has passed them by. Those without skills are relegated to low-paying positions without steady schedules, security and benefits. Breadwinners who once held well-compensated manufacturing jobs are angry about being forced to settle for lower-wage service jobs — or no jobs at all.

    Profound anxiety, particularly among the white working class, about the ability to reach or comfortably remain in the middle class is one of the factors that helped propel Mr. Trump to the White House.

    Pockets of weakness also surfaced in the latest jobs report, which showed that more people dropped out of the labor force last month than joined it. Manufacturing jobs declined further, and there are still plenty of part-time workers who would rather be full time. And while the official jobless rate for high school graduates fell to 4.9 percent, it is more than twice the rate for college graduates.

    “There is a bifurcation of the work force,” Jonas Prising, chairman and chief executive of the ManpowerGroup, one of the largest recruiters in the United States. People who are able to take advantage of advances in technology, globalization and other shifts that favor those with the right skills for the nation’s advanced services are thriving.

    For others, the prospects do not look good. “There used to be part of the work force that had well-paying jobs that were low or unskilled,” Mr. Prising said. “Those kinds of jobs are very difficult to find today.”

    The deal that Mr. Trump made with the heating and cooling company Carrier this week to keep 1,000 manufacturing jobs from moving to Mexico from Indiana is emblematic of the kind of actions he said he would take as president to help blue-collar workers.

    But there are limits to the power of persuasion.

    Betsey Stevenson, an economist at the University of Michigan and a former economic adviser to Mr. Obama, said that manufacturing, while still a driving force in the economy, employed fewer and fewer people. More than 80 percent of jobs are now in the service industry, Ms. Stevenson said, and Mr. Trump should be thinking more about how to match workers with those jobs.

    “The economy is in a great place, and his biggest challenge is continuing that,” she said.


     
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    i watch bloomberg in the morning and obviously they talk a lot about the state of the economy and where they think it's heading and they have people who know on there.  not jerkoff partisans but major executives in big companies, hedge funds, etc.  anyway, the consensus seems to be the economy is doing well, certainly miles better than where it was, but it could also be doing better.  areas of employment could be better, the gdp could be a point or so better, etc.

    so, as far as trump goes, we seem to be at a point where things can get decidedly worse but there's also clear room for improvement.  i guess we'll see which way it goes. 
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    i watch bloomberg in the morning and obviously they talk a lot about the state of the economy and where they think it's heading and they have people who know on there.  not jerkoff partisans but major executives in big companies, hedge funds, etc.  anyway, the consensus seems to be the economy is doing well, certainly miles better than where it was, but it could also be doing better.  areas of employment could be better, the gdp could be a point or so better, etc.

    so, as far as trump goes, we seem to be at a point where things can get decidedly worse but there's also clear room for improvement.  i guess we'll see which way it goes. 
     
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    Some economists worry that the Federal Reserve is too focused on fears of future inflation and that it should hold off on any increase in rates until conditions have improved further. “There’s no reason to pre-emptively slow the economy down, given that we’re starting from less than full employment,” said Elise Gould, an economist at the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute in Washington. “Right now, the priority should be keeping the economy on track and moving it forward.”

    Such pleas are unlikely to win the day. At last month’s meeting of the Federal Reserve, members concluded that the case for an increase in the benchmark rate had been “strengthened,” and that they would be ready to move “so long as incoming data provided some further evidence of continued progress.”

    Many employers are having a harder time finding and retaining workers.

    “Recruiting is a tough issue right now in skilled and semiskilled industries,” said Robert A. Funk, chairman and chief executive of Express Employment Professionals, a staffing agency based in Oklahoma City. He mentioned a particular need for workers in accounting, information technology, call centers, warehousing and office and professional services.

    Mr. Funk said employers often complained about being unable to find employees with a strong work ethic who met the minimum requirements. “Drug screening is a real challenge in many parts of the country,” he said. “Only 30 percent can pass a drug screen in the state of Washington,” where marijuana is legal.

    At the same time, employers have been reluctant to raise wages to a level that might lure back sidelined workers. The result has been that the country has 5.5 million job openings, a near-record level, but still relatively anemic labor force participation rates.

    “The challenge out there now is finding workers and keeping the workers you have,” said Steve Rick, chief economist at CUNA Mutual Group. Those shortages, whatever the cause, are likely to push wages higher next year, he said.

    “People are feeling good not only about their current income but their future income,” Mr. Rick said.

    Whatever the economy’s current failings, Mark J. Rozell, a political scientist at George Mason University in Virginia, said it was nonetheless better than the ones most incoming presidents have faced in the last half-century.

    “Trump can be thankful that his predecessor is handing him a fairly strong situation,” Mr. Rozell said, “especially when compared to many past party transfers of power.”
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    Some economists worry that the Federal Reserve is too focused on fears of future inflation and that it should hold off on any increase in rates until conditions have improved further. “There’s no reason to pre-emptively slow the economy down, given that we’re starting from less than full employment,” said Elise Gould, an economist at the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute in Washington. “Right now, the priority should be keeping the economy on track and moving it forward.”

    Such pleas are unlikely to win the day. At last month’s meeting of the Federal Reserve, members concluded that the case for an increase in the benchmark rate had been “strengthened,” and that they would be ready to move “so long as incoming data provided some further evidence of continued progress.”

    Many employers are having a harder time finding and retaining workers.

    “Recruiting is a tough issue right now in skilled and semiskilled industries,” said Robert A. Funk, chairman and chief executive of Express Employment Professionals, a staffing agency based in Oklahoma City. He mentioned a particular need for workers in accounting, information technology, call centers, warehousing and office and professional services.

    Mr. Funk said employers often complained about being unable to find employees with a strong work ethic who met the minimum requirements. “Drug screening is a real challenge in many parts of the country,” he said. “Only 30 percent can pass a drug screen in the state of Washington,” where marijuana is legal.

    At the same time, employers have been reluctant to raise wages to a level that might lure back sidelined workers. The result has been that the country has 5.5 million job openings, a near-record level, but still relatively anemic labor force participation rates.

    “The challenge out there now is finding workers and keeping the workers you have,” said Steve Rick, chief economist at CUNA Mutual Group. Those shortages, whatever the cause, are likely to push wages higher next year, he said.

    “People are feeling good not only about their current income but their future income,” Mr. Rick said.

    Whatever the economy’s current failings, Mark J. Rozell, a political scientist at George Mason University in Virginia, said it was nonetheless better than the ones most incoming presidents have faced in the last half-century.

    “Trump can be thankful that his predecessor is handing him a fairly strong situation,” Mr. Rozell said, “especially when compared to many past party transfers of power.”
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 10:48 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i watch bloomberg in the morning and obviously they talk a lot about the state of the economy and where they think it's heading and they have people who know on there.  not jerkoff partisans but major executives in big companies, hedge funds, etc.  anyway, the consensus seems to be the economy is doing well, certainly miles better than where it was, but it could also be doing better.  areas of employment could be better, the gdp could be a point or so better, etc.


    so, as far as trump goes, we seem to be at a point where things can get decidedly worse but there's also clear room for improvement.  i guess we'll see which way it goes. 

    Great point CD

    The bar has been set . 4.7 % unemployment rate,  down from  7.8%

    Dow Jones Industrial Average
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    DOW Jones on 20-January-2009 
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    Obama  would have done much better IF Republicans were willing to work with him.

    Congress approval rating is at 14%.

    For years, President Obama has had to manage the wars his predecessor began — conflicts he didn't start and, in the case of Iraq, one he didn't originally support.

    President Bush cut taxes in 2001 and 2003. These tax cuts hit federal revenue, while federal spending growth continued apace. This combination ballooned the deficit in the early years of the Bush presidency.

    in 2007, the housing bubble burst, the financial crisis hit, and the economy plunged into recession. And then President Bush handed President Obama the worst recession in more than 70 years and left Obama to clean up the mess.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i watch bloomberg in the morning and obviously they talk a lot about the state of the economy and where they think it's heading and they have people who know on there.  not jerkoff partisans but major executives in big companies, hedge funds, etc.  anyway, the consensus seems to be the economy is doing well, certainly miles better than where it was, but it could also be doing better.  areas of employment could be better, the gdp could be a point or so better, etc.


    so, as far as trump goes, we seem to be at a point where things can get decidedly worse but there's also clear room for improvement.  i guess we'll see which way it goes. 

    Great point CD

    The bar has been set . 4.7 % unemployment rate,  down from  7.8%

    Dow Jones Industrial Average
    INDEXDJX: .DJI - Jan 6, 10:41 AM EST
    19,886.39

    DOW Jones on 20-January-2009 
    7,949.09, the lowest inaugural performance for the Dow since its creation


    Obama  would have done much better IF Republicans were willing to work with him.

    Congress approval rating is at 14%.

    For years, President Obama has had to manage the wars his predecessor began — conflicts he didn't start and, in the case of Iraq, one he didn't originally support.

    President Bush cut taxes in 2001 and 2003. These tax cuts hit federal revenue, while federal spending growth continued apace. This combination ballooned the deficit in the early years of the Bush presidency.

    in 2007, the housing bubble burst, the financial crisis hit, and the economy plunged into recession. And then President Bush handed President Obama the worst recession in more than 70 years and left Obama to clean up the mess.



     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 10:51 AM ET #6

    Trump will bill US tax payers for the wall, then ..

    ask Mexico to pay up  
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    Trump will bill US tax payers for the wall, then ..

    ask Mexico to pay up  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 10:54 AM ET #7

    A record 75 straight months of job growth under Obama


    https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/december-jobs-report-2016/index.html
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    A record 75 straight months of job growth under Obama


    https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/december-jobs-report-2016/index.html
     
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    Posted: Jan. 6, 2017 - 2:18 PM ET #8

    25M people dropped from the Middle Class during his reign. 94M Americans out of the labor force. Yeah he's been awesome. He was so good he oversaw the loss of 1,000 democratic held positions at all level of government and the person he campaigned for lost in a landslide. Good bye 0
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    25M people dropped from the Middle Class during his reign. 94M Americans out of the labor force. Yeah he's been awesome. He was so good he oversaw the loss of 1,000 democratic held positions at all level of government and the person he campaigned for lost in a landslide. Good bye 0
     
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    here's an article that summarizes pretty well how obama did.  it's consistent with what i've been seeing on bloomberg:  good but not great.  heading in the right direction but we could be doing better. 


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-06/how-obama-s-economic-record-stacks-up



    also, obama should get some credit for the reduction of government jobs.  one day my work will be complete and this fallacy that republicans are small government conservatives will die a painful death since we know the polar opposite is true.  anyway, i don't see any reason why trump shouldn't continue this.

    https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2015/08/government-employment-in-context/?utm_source=series_page&utm_medium=related_content&utm_term=related_resources&utm_campaign=fredblog
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    here's an article that summarizes pretty well how obama did.  it's consistent with what i've been seeing on bloomberg:  good but not great.  heading in the right direction but we could be doing better. 


    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-06/how-obama-s-economic-record-stacks-up



    also, obama should get some credit for the reduction of government jobs.  one day my work will be complete and this fallacy that republicans are small government conservatives will die a painful death since we know the polar opposite is true.  anyway, i don't see any reason why trump shouldn't continue this.

    https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2015/08/government-employment-in-context/?utm_source=series_page&utm_medium=related_content&utm_term=related_resources&utm_campaign=fredblog
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    25M people dropped from the Middle Class during his reign. 94M Americans out of the labor force. Yeah he's been awesome. He was so good he oversaw the loss of 1,000 democratic held positions at all level of government and the person he campaigned for lost in a landslide. Good bye 0



    where do you get your data ?

    Care to tell us how Trump will be better ?

    the bar has been raised 

    Here is a list of Donald Trump campaign promises

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.da21d0d2bcfa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    25M people dropped from the Middle Class during his reign. 94M Americans out of the labor force. Yeah he's been awesome. He was so good he oversaw the loss of 1,000 democratic held positions at all level of government and the person he campaigned for lost in a landslide. Good bye 0



    where do you get your data ?

    Care to tell us how Trump will be better ?

    the bar has been raised 

    Here is a list of Donald Trump campaign promises

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.da21d0d2bcfa
     
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    I love posts like the OP has presented..  Often short sighed (what else do I expect from folks on the left).

    I have a (simple)  question for you ilsp... What has O'bama done to improve the economy in his 8 years . .. I know..    <Crickets>  


     Please refrain from using the Federal Reserve in your discussion, since they have contributed largely to the stock market gains, right ???   ..

    I know.. ... this is all tough stuff to comprehend , so feel free to reread the above at your leisure . lol.   ? ?


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    I love posts like the OP has presented..  Often short sighed (what else do I expect from folks on the left).

    I have a (simple)  question for you ilsp... What has O'bama done to improve the economy in his 8 years . .. I know..    <Crickets>  


     Please refrain from using the Federal Reserve in your discussion, since they have contributed largely to the stock market gains, right ???   ..

    I know.. ... this is all tough stuff to comprehend , so feel free to reread the above at your leisure . lol.   ? ?


     
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    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.


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    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.



    I didnt take you as being one of the classless bashers, but maybe I am wrong?

    Let us distinguish the economy from corporate profits..they are VERY different.

    The economy to me is not good..not at all good, people are not in good financial positions, savings rates are not so great, there is a massive chasm between those doing well and the majority going check to check with little to no retirement or future plans.

    Corporate profits are great, that to many business dummys means the economy is doing great, well corporate profits are great because of the federal reserve giving corporations YEARS of opportunity to load up on cheap debt to shore up their balance sheets. Corporations are not hiring, and for sure not hiring jobs that pay well and have a future. The job growth of our economy as most know are low paying, no savings garbage jobs. 

    Down here there is a pretty large tech base..many companies from Intel to Honeywell and others are here and these types of companies are not hiring, they are consolidating, offshoring and outsourcing. That is not a sign of a healthy economy to me, and if people cannot improve their futures with the jobs they have, what good is the job outside being homeless?

    I think the federal reserve and corporations are smashing the middle class to build up the elite and the wealthy...that to me is not the sign of a healthy economy.

    Obama, Trump, Bush, whomever they dont matter at all with regards to the economy...government is not in front of addressing issues, they cannot be, corporations own our politicians and most policy is made to protect our business interests and forward profits..so when you as a politician have a massive bar tab to lobbyists and corporations, how can you expect them to make any progress for the average citizen?

    Trump is a massive joke..his choices for his team are absurd, even more absurd than he is. Talk about bold face lying to get elected...you think Obama was bad? Trump took NO time in bringing big business into his bed and how can anyone expect anything to improve when you hire CEOs and business executives over and over and over. 

    But hey...if you didnt know that Trump was a massive phony from his big fat mouth and his business history, well you are the bigger fool for thinking otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.



    I didnt take you as being one of the classless bashers, but maybe I am wrong?

    Let us distinguish the economy from corporate profits..they are VERY different.

    The economy to me is not good..not at all good, people are not in good financial positions, savings rates are not so great, there is a massive chasm between those doing well and the majority going check to check with little to no retirement or future plans.

    Corporate profits are great, that to many business dummys means the economy is doing great, well corporate profits are great because of the federal reserve giving corporations YEARS of opportunity to load up on cheap debt to shore up their balance sheets. Corporations are not hiring, and for sure not hiring jobs that pay well and have a future. The job growth of our economy as most know are low paying, no savings garbage jobs. 

    Down here there is a pretty large tech base..many companies from Intel to Honeywell and others are here and these types of companies are not hiring, they are consolidating, offshoring and outsourcing. That is not a sign of a healthy economy to me, and if people cannot improve their futures with the jobs they have, what good is the job outside being homeless?

    I think the federal reserve and corporations are smashing the middle class to build up the elite and the wealthy...that to me is not the sign of a healthy economy.

    Obama, Trump, Bush, whomever they dont matter at all with regards to the economy...government is not in front of addressing issues, they cannot be, corporations own our politicians and most policy is made to protect our business interests and forward profits..so when you as a politician have a massive bar tab to lobbyists and corporations, how can you expect them to make any progress for the average citizen?

    Trump is a massive joke..his choices for his team are absurd, even more absurd than he is. Talk about bold face lying to get elected...you think Obama was bad? Trump took NO time in bringing big business into his bed and how can anyone expect anything to improve when you hire CEOs and business executives over and over and over. 

    But hey...if you didnt know that Trump was a massive phony from his big fat mouth and his business history, well you are the bigger fool for thinking otherwise.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:




    where do you get your data ?

    Care to tell us how Trump will be better ?

    the bar has been raised 

    Here is a list of Donald Trump campaign promises

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.da21d0d2bcfa

    It took 5 seconds to find this...

    https://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/

    It lists many barometers of the last 8 years. Read it and 

    The bar has been raised?  You need help... Do you think Obama will declare war on Russia next week? I mean Grandma lost the election and it couldn't be because hardworking Americans saw right through her b.s. correct? It must've been the Russians...

    Special emphasis on flatlined wages and increase of food stamp use and it's shows no sign of decreasing. Go on again and tell me how great he was...

    Trump will do more for the American people in 3 months than 0 did in 8 years...

    My question to you if 0 was so great, how'd the Dems lose 1,000 spots during his administration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:




    where do you get your data ?

    Care to tell us how Trump will be better ?

    the bar has been raised 

    Here is a list of Donald Trump campaign promises

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.da21d0d2bcfa

    It took 5 seconds to find this...

    https://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/

    It lists many barometers of the last 8 years. Read it and 

    The bar has been raised?  You need help... Do you think Obama will declare war on Russia next week? I mean Grandma lost the election and it couldn't be because hardworking Americans saw right through her b.s. correct? It must've been the Russians...

    Special emphasis on flatlined wages and increase of food stamp use and it's shows no sign of decreasing. Go on again and tell me how great he was...

    Trump will do more for the American people in 3 months than 0 did in 8 years...

    My question to you if 0 was so great, how'd the Dems lose 1,000 spots during his administration?
     
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    No Sir, Wall...And  I appreciate your response in regards to this.   You are one of the few people on here I can have an honest debate about the future of the country. 

    I will say this first and foremost.  O'bama has been a destructive president that has cared for nothing more than his personal agenda of pushing back against law enforcement... 






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    No Sir, Wall...And  I appreciate your response in regards to this.   You are one of the few people on here I can have an honest debate about the future of the country. 

    I will say this first and foremost.  O'bama has been a destructive president that has cared for nothing more than his personal agenda of pushing back against law enforcement... 






     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    I love posts like the OP has presented..  Often short sighed (what else do I expect from folks on the left).

    I have a (simple)  question for you ilsp... What has O'bama done to improve the economy in his 8 years . .. I know..      


     Please refrain from using the Federal Reserve in your discussion, since they have contributed largely to the stock market gains, right ???   ..

    I know.. ... this is all tough stuff to comprehend , so feel free to reread the above at your leisure . lol.   ? ?



     You're a real piece of work 

     what did you post that is tough stuff to comprehend ? 

    Ok Stop overestimating yourself with your partisan drivel

    Let me explain to you what President Obama has done


    1) End of the 2008 financial crisis and recession he inherited from the Bush Administration

    In February 2009 111th Congress
    Senate Majority: Democratic
    House Majority: Democratic


    approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package, which cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. Six months later,  GDP growth turned positive

    Unlike President Bush's plan, TARP, which helped large corporations.  Obama's Stimulus Plan put money into the pockets of American families and small businesses.
    In just seven months, ARRA(American Recovery and Reinvestment Act ) pumped $241.9 billion into the economy, stirring growth to a robust 3.9 percent by early 2010. 

    The recession ended three months after the Act was passed. Economic growth immediately improved: from shrinking a horrifying 5.4% in Q1 2009 to growing 1.3% by Q3 2009. Instead of losing more than 500,000 jobs a month, the economy added 2.4 million private sector and 1.7 million government jobs in the first 18 months after ARRA was passed.

    2) Six months after Affordable Care Act, concerns over the program's cost helped Republicans win control of the House of Representatives in the mid-term elections.
    American people have been hit with more negative than positive messages about ACA.

    In 2015, the cost of health care services increased 0.5 percent. That's much less than typical price increases of 3.0 percent to 4.0 percent annually in the years before the ACA.

    https://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/research/eclett/2016/el1611.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    I love posts like the OP has presented..  Often short sighed (what else do I expect from folks on the left).

    I have a (simple)  question for you ilsp... What has O'bama done to improve the economy in his 8 years . .. I know..      


     Please refrain from using the Federal Reserve in your discussion, since they have contributed largely to the stock market gains, right ???   ..

    I know.. ... this is all tough stuff to comprehend , so feel free to reread the above at your leisure . lol.   ? ?



     You're a real piece of work 

     what did you post that is tough stuff to comprehend ? 

    Ok Stop overestimating yourself with your partisan drivel

    Let me explain to you what President Obama has done


    1) End of the 2008 financial crisis and recession he inherited from the Bush Administration

    In February 2009 111th Congress
    Senate Majority: Democratic
    House Majority: Democratic


    approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package, which cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. Six months later,  GDP growth turned positive

    Unlike President Bush's plan, TARP, which helped large corporations.  Obama's Stimulus Plan put money into the pockets of American families and small businesses.
    In just seven months, ARRA(American Recovery and Reinvestment Act ) pumped $241.9 billion into the economy, stirring growth to a robust 3.9 percent by early 2010. 

    The recession ended three months after the Act was passed. Economic growth immediately improved: from shrinking a horrifying 5.4% in Q1 2009 to growing 1.3% by Q3 2009. Instead of losing more than 500,000 jobs a month, the economy added 2.4 million private sector and 1.7 million government jobs in the first 18 months after ARRA was passed.

    2) Six months after Affordable Care Act, concerns over the program's cost helped Republicans win control of the House of Representatives in the mid-term elections.
    American people have been hit with more negative than positive messages about ACA.

    In 2015, the cost of health care services increased 0.5 percent. That's much less than typical price increases of 3.0 percent to 4.0 percent annually in the years before the ACA.

    https://www.dallasfed.org/assets/documents/research/eclett/2016/el1611.pdf


     
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    When President Obama signed the ACA on March 23, 2010, he said it would cost $940 billion over its first ten years (FY 2010 - FY 2019).


    The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office made that estimate in its analysis completed March 18, 2010. The CBO added up the costs of both of the laws that implemented Obamacare. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148) detailed the plan. The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (Public Law 111-152) created some offsetting revenues.

    A few days later the CBO lowered its cost projection to $938 billion based on a more detailed analysis. The estimate came from five cost areas that were not directly offset by revenues:

    Expanding Medicaid and CHIP - $434 billion.
    Tax credits to small businesses who provide insurance - $40 billion.
    Setting up the health insurance exchanges - $358 billion.
    Tax credits for those who can't afford insurance - $106 billion.

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/hr4872_0.pdf

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11379/amendreconprop.pdf


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    When President Obama signed the ACA on March 23, 2010, he said it would cost $940 billion over its first ten years (FY 2010 - FY 2019).


    The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office made that estimate in its analysis completed March 18, 2010. The CBO added up the costs of both of the laws that implemented Obamacare. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148) detailed the plan. The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (Public Law 111-152) created some offsetting revenues.

    A few days later the CBO lowered its cost projection to $938 billion based on a more detailed analysis. The estimate came from five cost areas that were not directly offset by revenues:

    Expanding Medicaid and CHIP - $434 billion.
    Tax credits to small businesses who provide insurance - $40 billion.
    Setting up the health insurance exchanges - $358 billion.
    Tax credits for those who can't afford insurance - $106 billion.

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/hr4872_0.pdf

    https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11379/amendreconprop.pdf


     
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    3) GM stocks

    on 13-May-2009, GM stock plunged to  $1 a share in trading
    GM  stock hasn't closed that low since April 19, 1933, according to split-adjusted calculations from the Center for Research in Security Prices.
    when Obama decided to bail out General Motors and Chrysler, and aid their financing subsidiaries and suppliers through loan guarantees in 2009 in the teeth of the economic meltdown that gripped world markets
    Republicans wanted to let GM and Chrysler fail and accused the government of 

    640,000 auto industry jobs created since then and the record sales by the industry in 2015,

    Besides the job recovery in the auto industry, GM and Chrysler have paid back their obligations to the U.S. Treasury. Both companies, plus Ford Motor F -0.08% Co., which did not go through bankruptcy, are thriving today–having restructured healthcare and pension obligations 

    Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a Michigan native-son whose father was president of American Motors Corp. in the 1950s before being elected governor of Michigan, famously wrote in The New York Times in 2008: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for…, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye.”

    General Motors Company
    TSE: GMM.U - Jan 6, 4:00 PM EST
    36.31USD



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    3) GM stocks

    on 13-May-2009, GM stock plunged to  $1 a share in trading
    GM  stock hasn't closed that low since April 19, 1933, according to split-adjusted calculations from the Center for Research in Security Prices.
    when Obama decided to bail out General Motors and Chrysler, and aid their financing subsidiaries and suppliers through loan guarantees in 2009 in the teeth of the economic meltdown that gripped world markets
    Republicans wanted to let GM and Chrysler fail and accused the government of 

    640,000 auto industry jobs created since then and the record sales by the industry in 2015,

    Besides the job recovery in the auto industry, GM and Chrysler have paid back their obligations to the U.S. Treasury. Both companies, plus Ford Motor F -0.08% Co., which did not go through bankruptcy, are thriving today–having restructured healthcare and pension obligations 

    Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a Michigan native-son whose father was president of American Motors Corp. in the 1950s before being elected governor of Michigan, famously wrote in The New York Times in 2008: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for…, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye.”

    General Motors Company
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    A president can't do much without congress' help.
    U.S. House of Representatives  has  been in Republican hands since 2010.
    what have they done ?
      Trying to repeal ACA (not Obamacare ) 60 times with no replacement 

     Benghazi hearings 

    Back in 2010, Republicans said if they took control of the House of Representatives they would start creating jobs.

    The party of NO

    No Leaders   <==== Twitter President Trump 

    No ideas  <==== How are they going to create thos ejobs.. 
    how are they going to replace Obamacare

    Trump wants congress to fund the wall, then he'll make Mexico pay for it  .

    Trump knows a lot about the hacking issue. He was supposed to let the American people know on Tuesday or Wednesday (3-January-2016, 4-January-2016).
    So far nothing even after he met with Intelligence chief

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    A president can't do much without congress' help.
    U.S. House of Representatives  has  been in Republican hands since 2010.
    what have they done ?
      Trying to repeal ACA (not Obamacare ) 60 times with no replacement 

     Benghazi hearings 

    Back in 2010, Republicans said if they took control of the House of Representatives they would start creating jobs.

    The party of NO

    No Leaders   <==== Twitter President Trump 

    No ideas  <==== How are they going to create thos ejobs.. 
    how are they going to replace Obamacare

    Trump wants congress to fund the wall, then he'll make Mexico pay for it  .

    Trump knows a lot about the hacking issue. He was supposed to let the American people know on Tuesday or Wednesday (3-January-2016, 4-January-2016).
    So far nothing even after he met with Intelligence chief

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    It took 5 seconds to find this...

    https://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/

    It lists many barometers of the last 8 years. Read it and 

    The bar has been raised?  You need help... Do you think Obama will declare war on Russia next week? I mean Grandma lost the election and it couldn't be because hardworking Americans saw right through her b.s. correct? It must've been the Russians...

    Special emphasis on flatlined wages and increase of food stamp use and it's shows no sign of decreasing. Go on again and tell me how great he was...

    Trump will do more for the American people in 3 months than 0 did in 8 years...

    My question to you if 0 was so great, how'd the Dems lose 1,000 spots during his administration?

    I know you're a fool but I never though it was that bad   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    It took 5 seconds to find this...

    https://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/

    It lists many barometers of the last 8 years. Read it and 

    The bar has been raised?  You need help... Do you think Obama will declare war on Russia next week? I mean Grandma lost the election and it couldn't be because hardworking Americans saw right through her b.s. correct? It must've been the Russians...

    Special emphasis on flatlined wages and increase of food stamp use and it's shows no sign of decreasing. Go on again and tell me how great he was...

    Trump will do more for the American people in 3 months than 0 did in 8 years...

    My question to you if 0 was so great, how'd the Dems lose 1,000 spots during his administration?

    I know you're a fool but I never though it was that bad   
     
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     Republicans have gained control of the US House of Representatives in 2010 due to redistricting and gerrymandering.


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     Republicans have gained control of the US House of Representatives in 2010 due to redistricting and gerrymandering.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

     Republicans have gained control of the US House of Representatives in 2010 due to redistricting and gerrymandering.



    It was due to Obamacare...

    Thanks for not answering the question "how'd they lose 1,000 seats" if Obama was so great by calling me the fool... I know facts are tough to dispute, lefties can't make an argument so they drop an insult and go on their way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

     Republicans have gained control of the US House of Representatives in 2010 due to redistricting and gerrymandering.



    It was due to Obamacare...

    Thanks for not answering the question "how'd they lose 1,000 seats" if Obama was so great by calling me the fool... I know facts are tough to dispute, lefties can't make an argument so they drop an insult and go on their way...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    It was due to Obamacare...

    Thanks for not answering the question "how'd they lose 1,000 seats" if Obama was so great by calling me the fool... I know facts are tough to dispute, lefties can't make an argument so they drop an insult and go on their way...

    It's not a referendum on Obama

    Republicans have been sowing the seeds of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to win elections.

    Gerrymandering is the practice of dividing election districts to give special advantages to one group and usually to give one political party an electoral majority in a large number of districts while concentrating the opposition’s voting strength in the fewest districts possible. This is done by manipulating the geographic boundaries of electoral districts to create partisan, incumbent-protected districts.

    in 2012 congressional elections, Democrats  won a majority of the House vote—roughly 51%—while falling a full 17 seats short of a majority

    There is a discrepancy between the winner by votes and the winner by seats. that does not make sense 

    Congress has an approval rating of 14%
    Obama 47%

    Fox News Poll: Positive ratings for President Obama as he exits

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/15/fox-news-poll-positive-ratings-for-president-obama-as-exits.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    It was due to Obamacare...

    Thanks for not answering the question "how'd they lose 1,000 seats" if Obama was so great by calling me the fool... I know facts are tough to dispute, lefties can't make an argument so they drop an insult and go on their way...

    It's not a referendum on Obama

    Republicans have been sowing the seeds of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to win elections.

    Gerrymandering is the practice of dividing election districts to give special advantages to one group and usually to give one political party an electoral majority in a large number of districts while concentrating the opposition’s voting strength in the fewest districts possible. This is done by manipulating the geographic boundaries of electoral districts to create partisan, incumbent-protected districts.

    in 2012 congressional elections, Democrats  won a majority of the House vote—roughly 51%—while falling a full 17 seats short of a majority

    There is a discrepancy between the winner by votes and the winner by seats. that does not make sense 

    Congress has an approval rating of 14%
    Obama 47%

    Fox News Poll: Positive ratings for President Obama as he exits

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/15/fox-news-poll-positive-ratings-for-president-obama-as-exits.html



     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 10:02 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.


    Before you call me stupid or silly, you need to read your own post

    I am not sure If you suffer from amnesia due to an excessive dosage of the Trump KOOLAID or drug  


    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=102349099

    post#5

    You stated :

    <QUOTE>

    The markets see what's in front of them, and that's a Republican President , with both party control in Congress, too. 

    Onerous regulation (Dodd Frank, etc.) will help unshackle certain industries, not limited to Financial & Oil/Gas companies.

    You see, when the government gets the hell out of the way of the Economy (as opposed to being an impediment), good things can happen (and we can only hope will).  

    The market is already pricing in this euphoria.

    <UNQUOTE>


    When Obama took over on 20-January-2009 
     Dow Jones 7,949.09

    because of Trump the market is going higher 

    Did you know that the market was down on elections night because it appears that Trump was going to win

    Trump is not even in charge yet and you're already giving him credit  

     who is the dimwit ?



    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    The onus is now on dimwits like   ilsp2003.


    Before you call me stupid or silly, you need to read your own post

    I am not sure If you suffer from amnesia due to an excessive dosage of the Trump KOOLAID or drug  


    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=102349099

    post#5

    You stated :

    <QUOTE>

    The markets see what's in front of them, and that's a Republican President , with both party control in Congress, too. 

    Onerous regulation (Dodd Frank, etc.) will help unshackle certain industries, not limited to Financial & Oil/Gas companies.

    You see, when the government gets the hell out of the way of the Economy (as opposed to being an impediment), good things can happen (and we can only hope will).  

    The market is already pricing in this euphoria.

    <UNQUOTE>


    When Obama took over on 20-January-2009 
     Dow Jones 7,949.09

    because of Trump the market is going higher 

    Did you know that the market was down on elections night because it appears that Trump was going to win

    Trump is not even in charge yet and you're already giving him credit  

     who is the dimwit ?



     
     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jan. 7, 2017 - 10:08 AM ET #25

    After waves of selling on Tuesday night, stock market futures were halted early Wednesday morning after plunging 5%, as Trump was on the cusp of an unlikely victory over Hillary Clinton. Just after midnight, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 827 points. The S&P 500 was down 107 points. The technology heavy Nasdaq 100 had fallen 241 points.
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    After waves of selling on Tuesday night, stock market futures were halted early Wednesday morning after plunging 5%, as Trump was on the cusp of an unlikely victory over Hillary Clinton. Just after midnight, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 827 points. The S&P 500 was down 107 points. The technology heavy Nasdaq 100 had fallen 241 points.
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