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    POLITICAL SUICIDE PREDICTION OR GENIOUS

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    Crusher13
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2017 - 7:37 PM ET #1

    Trump uses his CONSTITUTIONAL authority and terminates Special Consul investigation by week's end...especially after his AG testifies on WH behalf Tuesday afternoon 6-13-2017..

    Theories Cova's Brotha's ???

    I'll share mine shortly....
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Trump uses his CONSTITUTIONAL authority and terminates Special Consul investigation by week's end...especially after his AG testifies on WH behalf Tuesday afternoon 6-13-2017..

    Theories Cova's Brotha's ???

    I'll share mine shortly....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2017 - 7:57 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Trump uses his CONSTITUTIONAL authority and terminates Special Consul investigation by week's end...especially after his AG testifies on WH behalf Tuesday afternoon 6-13-2017..

    Theories Cova's Brotha's ???

    I'll share mine shortly....

    Not sure ,still trying to find out what "Genious" is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Trump uses his CONSTITUTIONAL authority and terminates Special Consul investigation by week's end...especially after his AG testifies on WH behalf Tuesday afternoon 6-13-2017..

    Theories Cova's Brotha's ???

    I'll share mine shortly....

    Not sure ,still trying to find out what "Genious" is.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2017 - 8:19 PM ET #3

    DRAINING the SWAMP via one gigantic mass exodus  out the front door on their own "free volition" 
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    DRAINING the SWAMP via one gigantic mass exodus  out the front door on their own "free volition" 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 12:04 PM ET #4

    Deputy AG Rosenstein testifies this morning that DJT must have good cause to make him FIRE Special Consul Moelluer..if he doesn't... SESSIONS could unrecuse himself and TAKE CHARGE of DOJ FBI investigation and have the witchhunt completely dropped and in turn, watch all the REAL swamp creatures resign......

    .Political suicide or.just letting swamp drain itself??

    C'mon..how many of us haven't had a new prick boss we can't stand and hate so much, we just leave voluntarily....COMEY was just the start....
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    Deputy AG Rosenstein testifies this morning that DJT must have good cause to make him FIRE Special Consul Moelluer..if he doesn't... SESSIONS could unrecuse himself and TAKE CHARGE of DOJ FBI investigation and have the witchhunt completely dropped and in turn, watch all the REAL swamp creatures resign......

    .Political suicide or.just letting swamp drain itself??

    C'mon..how many of us haven't had a new prick boss we can't stand and hate so much, we just leave voluntarily....COMEY was just the start....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 4:11 PM ET #5

    If President Trump called me and asked "packers what should I do?" I'd tell him....Pardon General Flynn for crimes which may or may not have been committed. Also i'd say announce you're an illegal alien....Democrats wouldn't know whether to sh%t or wind their watch

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    If President Trump called me and asked "packers what should I do?" I'd tell him....Pardon General Flynn for crimes which may or may not have been committed. Also i'd say announce you're an illegal alien....Democrats wouldn't know whether to sh%t or wind their watch

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 4:28 PM ET #6

    So if Trump is so genious as you say tell me what does this drain the swamp mean and how exactly, with detail has he done any of such claims??

    If draining the swamp means replace Obama's crew with big biz execs and bankers I guess he has done a bang up job.

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    So if Trump is so genious as you say tell me what does this drain the swamp mean and how exactly, with detail has he done any of such claims??

    If draining the swamp means replace Obama's crew with big biz execs and bankers I guess he has done a bang up job.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 6:29 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So if Trump is so genious as you say tell me what does this drain the swamp mean and how exactly, with detail has he done any of such claims??

    If draining the swamp means replace Obama's crew with big biz execs and bankers I guess he has done a bang up job.


    My understanding of "drain the swamp" was that Trump would get rid of the politicians who were taking this country in a direction that republicans didn't approve of. 

    Replacing those politicians with business men is fine with me.
    Let's give them a few years and see what happens 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So if Trump is so genious as you say tell me what does this drain the swamp mean and how exactly, with detail has he done any of such claims??

    If draining the swamp means replace Obama's crew with big biz execs and bankers I guess he has done a bang up job.


    My understanding of "drain the swamp" was that Trump would get rid of the politicians who were taking this country in a direction that republicans didn't approve of. 

    Replacing those politicians with business men is fine with me.
    Let's give them a few years and see what happens 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 10:25 PM ET #8

    Hugh,

    So you are suggesting that Obama's cabinet was full of long term politicians and by Trump excusing them and putting in private sector heads of corporations and bankers that this is draining the swamp and making things better?

    Do you think voters understood that draining the swamp meant having billionaire heads of corps be his cabinet members? I don't recall him mentioning that he would do that at all during his campaign...but if you can find me some actual information to collaborate what you are suggesting that would be refreshing.
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    Hugh,

    So you are suggesting that Obama's cabinet was full of long term politicians and by Trump excusing them and putting in private sector heads of corporations and bankers that this is draining the swamp and making things better?

    Do you think voters understood that draining the swamp meant having billionaire heads of corps be his cabinet members? I don't recall him mentioning that he would do that at all during his campaign...but if you can find me some actual information to collaborate what you are suggesting that would be refreshing.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 11:16 PM ET #9

    Back when malaria was a problemin America  and Europe, draining swamps was an effective way to kill the mosquitoes that bred there and spread the disease.........

    President Donal Trump isn’t the first politician to employ this term..

    Newly elected Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA),pledged to “drain the swamp” on Capitol Hill after more than a decade of Republican rule. ...


    Career politicians have poisoned the way that business gets done in Washington...Trump’s cabinet appointees are overwhelmingly “outsiders” who have little to no experience in government.

    His private sector-dominated cabinet will bring a much-needed fresh new perspective that will help cut through the federal bureaucracy...

    The national bureaucracy in Wasgington DC has become a cesspool..think of it as a  political colon cleanse...
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    Back when malaria was a problemin America  and Europe, draining swamps was an effective way to kill the mosquitoes that bred there and spread the disease.........

    President Donal Trump isn’t the first politician to employ this term..

    Newly elected Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA),pledged to “drain the swamp” on Capitol Hill after more than a decade of Republican rule. ...


    Career politicians have poisoned the way that business gets done in Washington...Trump’s cabinet appointees are overwhelmingly “outsiders” who have little to no experience in government.

    His private sector-dominated cabinet will bring a much-needed fresh new perspective that will help cut through the federal bureaucracy...

    The national bureaucracy in Wasgington DC has become a cesspool..think of it as a  political colon cleanse...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 11:41 PM ET #10

    So SS are you suggesting that Obama's cabinet was filled with long term politicians and not with bankers and corporate outsiders?

    Can you show me where Trump said that draining the swamp meant to bring corporate leaders as cabinet members?

    One other thing...politicians are elected, how does hiring corporate outsiders influence politicians and how does that remove them from office? The only way to remove politicians is through election and not from cabinet positions being held by corporate execs.
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    So SS are you suggesting that Obama's cabinet was filled with long term politicians and not with bankers and corporate outsiders?

    Can you show me where Trump said that draining the swamp meant to bring corporate leaders as cabinet members?

    One other thing...politicians are elected, how does hiring corporate outsiders influence politicians and how does that remove them from office? The only way to remove politicians is through election and not from cabinet positions being held by corporate execs.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2017 - 1:58 AM ET #11

    Of course President Trump can't get rid of elected politicians ...

    But, he can and will drain the swamp of overtaxation, overregulation and oversize government...reducing the size of the federal government, and cutting regulations and make them as simple as possible is a form of draining the swamp..

    The more government does, the more incentive every special interest has to hire swamp creatures... And the larger and more complex government is, the more opportunity those creatures have to thrive ...

    President Trump has already changed the law placing a few more restrictions on lobbyists,...... banning White House or congressional officials from becoming lobbyists for five years...He wants a "lifetime ban" on top executive administration staff from lobbying "on behalf of foreign governments.. ......picture one of those lobbyist trying to influence one of President Trumps billionaires with a 100K donation....lol

    It's the lobby that feed the swamp creatures..

    President Trump also wants to stop foreign lobbyists from engaging in fundraising for American elections.  Stop lobbyist from feeding the alligators in the swamp and they will starve...

    The President Trump administration may not be able to drain the Washington cesspool swamp completely..but he can make the swamp less important....
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    Of course President Trump can't get rid of elected politicians ...

    But, he can and will drain the swamp of overtaxation, overregulation and oversize government...reducing the size of the federal government, and cutting regulations and make them as simple as possible is a form of draining the swamp..

    The more government does, the more incentive every special interest has to hire swamp creatures... And the larger and more complex government is, the more opportunity those creatures have to thrive ...

    President Trump has already changed the law placing a few more restrictions on lobbyists,...... banning White House or congressional officials from becoming lobbyists for five years...He wants a "lifetime ban" on top executive administration staff from lobbying "on behalf of foreign governments.. ......picture one of those lobbyist trying to influence one of President Trumps billionaires with a 100K donation....lol

    It's the lobby that feed the swamp creatures..

    President Trump also wants to stop foreign lobbyists from engaging in fundraising for American elections.  Stop lobbyist from feeding the alligators in the swamp and they will starve...

    The President Trump administration may not be able to drain the Washington cesspool swamp completely..but he can make the swamp less important....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2017 - 2:28 AM ET #12

    Excellent post SS and yes Wall, by now, I thoroughly understand your claims of billionaires being swamp things but SS destroys your argument. Those cabinet members are so wealthy like DJT..the power of money doesn't or hopefully, WON'T persuade or influence their decisions heading their respective departments. 

    They accepted those positions BECAUSE they want to SERVE the country they love and have prospered in. Notice as we get older and wiser, we (most of us) want to give back, educate, and generally, show some thankfulness by "doing what we can" for others..Believe it or not, that's what DJT is doing. He didn't need this job and all the "vitriolic hate" that accompanied it..like I'm sure BOH told him in that very first WH visit.."OMG, you don't know what you just got yourself into."

     DJT took on this challenge because he LOVES his country and he felt his private sector approach could turn this country around...especially  being financially responsible. Through just four short months, he has made tremendous progress stated by SS above. Imagine the benefits of tax reform and making a better healthcare plan(which I have a much better idea than currently being negotiated)..Talk about a swamp.infestation. Can't stand this Obamacare Lite being proposed  

    Yes, DJT is a delegator..but the best CEO's are the ones that hire SMARTER people than themselves to do jobs they are unwilling or don't want to do. Ask any business owner about that. It's called capitalism which has created the highest standard of living on this planet Earth. And he, like I, am proud to be an American everyday enjoying my freedom to type in a forum such as this.We are so blessed to be living in such a Great FREE nation.

    God Bless our President for having a spine (like Jeff Sessions today) and God Bless America..
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    Excellent post SS and yes Wall, by now, I thoroughly understand your claims of billionaires being swamp things but SS destroys your argument. Those cabinet members are so wealthy like DJT..the power of money doesn't or hopefully, WON'T persuade or influence their decisions heading their respective departments. 

    They accepted those positions BECAUSE they want to SERVE the country they love and have prospered in. Notice as we get older and wiser, we (most of us) want to give back, educate, and generally, show some thankfulness by "doing what we can" for others..Believe it or not, that's what DJT is doing. He didn't need this job and all the "vitriolic hate" that accompanied it..like I'm sure BOH told him in that very first WH visit.."OMG, you don't know what you just got yourself into."

     DJT took on this challenge because he LOVES his country and he felt his private sector approach could turn this country around...especially  being financially responsible. Through just four short months, he has made tremendous progress stated by SS above. Imagine the benefits of tax reform and making a better healthcare plan(which I have a much better idea than currently being negotiated)..Talk about a swamp.infestation. Can't stand this Obamacare Lite being proposed  

    Yes, DJT is a delegator..but the best CEO's are the ones that hire SMARTER people than themselves to do jobs they are unwilling or don't want to do. Ask any business owner about that. It's called capitalism which has created the highest standard of living on this planet Earth. And he, like I, am proud to be an American everyday enjoying my freedom to type in a forum such as this.We are so blessed to be living in such a Great FREE nation.

    God Bless our President for having a spine (like Jeff Sessions today) and God Bless America..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2017 - 2:30 PM ET #13

    TRUMP vs ROSENSTEIN...It's "ON" like Donkey Kong...

    SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE ACT II..

    All within the EXECUTIVE Powers of el Presidente' 


    CAN"T WAIT FOR THAT SWAMP "drying" up a bit...


    The "DONALD" ain't scared to do "anything"...REMEMBER this is the 2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY coming down the escalator at TRUMP TOWERS..
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    TRUMP vs ROSENSTEIN...It's "ON" like Donkey Kong...

    SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE ACT II..

    All within the EXECUTIVE Powers of el Presidente' 


    CAN"T WAIT FOR THAT SWAMP "drying" up a bit...


    The "DONALD" ain't scared to do "anything"...REMEMBER this is the 2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY coming down the escalator at TRUMP TOWERS..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2017 - 3:11 PM ET #14

    Interesting how perspectives of different people and parties vary.

    I've asked this swamp question to several repubs and also in the past yet like Trump the answers are generic and lacking. To me it seems that many of you guys like to blame the institution of government for all the ills in society and in the economy, that this mystery government is why this and that problem exist and why we cannot accomplish whatever the crap you all think is needing to be accomplished that the government is holding everyone back.

    That mentality is lacking common sense for many reasons...the biggest being if you cannot identify the persons behind the problem then you cannot fix a problem, and saying generic terms like democrat and liberal are lazy stupid generalizations because you lack the effort to actually find the answer or look for a solution. This mentality in General is what got the current horrific clown elected because most people are not interested in finding out why something isn't working, they want someone else to do that or they want to be led by their fat snout and be told what the problem is, and in general moronic terms.

    The government is not the problem, not at all. I've said this so many times yet none of you repubs ever get it. The government in its massive size and breadth exists because of the private sector and the cheating and abuse that happens to common citizens. The government is not fast enough or financially equipped to be the blame for the ills some of you suggest. When I look at a situation I think to  myself who has the most financial benefit to gain, who has access to information quickest, to capital quickest and who has the best resources to take advantage. When you can answer those questions you have your answers. It is that simple, it is not complicated. The government is not the quickest or most funded or greatest in resources. In the economic scheme if things the government is a tiny little slice in the pie and is very slow to react and make any change let alone with speed and accuracy.

    The swamp is not the government, the swamp IN the government is not the politician, the swamp in the government is lobbyists, dark money and campaign contributions because without money the politician does not have a job and thus they are in debt to the private sector, those with the most money and resources, 

    So spare me the swamp garbage, to me Trump and his cabinet are part of the swamp and they are making it worse not better. The only way to drain the governmental swamp is to end lobbyists and campaign contributions, to isolate the political process from those who have for profit motives and also have the greatest access to capital, resources and power.
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    Interesting how perspectives of different people and parties vary.

    I've asked this swamp question to several repubs and also in the past yet like Trump the answers are generic and lacking. To me it seems that many of you guys like to blame the institution of government for all the ills in society and in the economy, that this mystery government is why this and that problem exist and why we cannot accomplish whatever the crap you all think is needing to be accomplished that the government is holding everyone back.

    That mentality is lacking common sense for many reasons...the biggest being if you cannot identify the persons behind the problem then you cannot fix a problem, and saying generic terms like democrat and liberal are lazy stupid generalizations because you lack the effort to actually find the answer or look for a solution. This mentality in General is what got the current horrific clown elected because most people are not interested in finding out why something isn't working, they want someone else to do that or they want to be led by their fat snout and be told what the problem is, and in general moronic terms.

    The government is not the problem, not at all. I've said this so many times yet none of you repubs ever get it. The government in its massive size and breadth exists because of the private sector and the cheating and abuse that happens to common citizens. The government is not fast enough or financially equipped to be the blame for the ills some of you suggest. When I look at a situation I think to  myself who has the most financial benefit to gain, who has access to information quickest, to capital quickest and who has the best resources to take advantage. When you can answer those questions you have your answers. It is that simple, it is not complicated. The government is not the quickest or most funded or greatest in resources. In the economic scheme if things the government is a tiny little slice in the pie and is very slow to react and make any change let alone with speed and accuracy.

    The swamp is not the government, the swamp IN the government is not the politician, the swamp in the government is lobbyists, dark money and campaign contributions because without money the politician does not have a job and thus they are in debt to the private sector, those with the most money and resources, 

    So spare me the swamp garbage, to me Trump and his cabinet are part of the swamp and they are making it worse not better. The only way to drain the governmental swamp is to end lobbyists and campaign contributions, to isolate the political process from those who have for profit motives and also have the greatest access to capital, resources and power.
     
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    WALL, let me the first to CONGRATULATE you on one of the most  unbeeleevable POSTS EVER submitted here on Covers..


    You have truly taken your sheep skin off

    Please, Give ME and all my Cova's Brotha's TIME to digest your precious "typing and OPINES" from your Moderator PEAK 

    Personally, I feel you will regret many of those insuations ....but,,,,remember I ALWAYS enjoy being an AMERICAN and UNDERSTAND every citizens RIGHT to type their OWN feelings and PERCEPTIONS of REALITY I JUST TOTALLY DISAGREE...


    Sorry..but TRUE....,,,,

    Just watch how this weekend unfolds..

    I COULD be totally wrong..but like on SURVIVOR....Expect the UNEXPECTED...

    We are in TOTALLY unchartered "waters" dealing with the "DONALD"....Just sit back and ENJOY the ride as he dismantles EVERYTHING the OBAMA admin did.....Including any and EVERY FELONIOUS ACT
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    WALL, let me the first to CONGRATULATE you on one of the most  unbeeleevable POSTS EVER submitted here on Covers..


    You have truly taken your sheep skin off

    Please, Give ME and all my Cova's Brotha's TIME to digest your precious "typing and OPINES" from your Moderator PEAK 

    Personally, I feel you will regret many of those insuations ....but,,,,remember I ALWAYS enjoy being an AMERICAN and UNDERSTAND every citizens RIGHT to type their OWN feelings and PERCEPTIONS of REALITY I JUST TOTALLY DISAGREE...


    Sorry..but TRUE....,,,,

    Just watch how this weekend unfolds..

    I COULD be totally wrong..but like on SURVIVOR....Expect the UNEXPECTED...

    We are in TOTALLY unchartered "waters" dealing with the "DONALD"....Just sit back and ENJOY the ride as he dismantles EVERYTHING the OBAMA admin did.....Including any and EVERY FELONIOUS ACT
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     
    I've asked this swamp question to several repubs and also in the past yet like Trump the answers are generic and lacking. 

    That mentality is lacking common sense for many reasons...the biggest being if you cannot identify the persons behind the problem then you cannot fix a problem, and saying generic terms like democrat and liberal are lazy stupid generalizations because you lack the effort to actually find the answer or look for a solution. 

    The government is not the problem, not at all. I've said this so many times yet none of you repubs ever get it. 

    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 


    bigreds daddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     
    I've asked this swamp question to several repubs and also in the past yet like Trump the answers are generic and lacking. 

    That mentality is lacking common sense for many reasons...the biggest being if you cannot identify the persons behind the problem then you cannot fix a problem, and saying generic terms like democrat and liberal are lazy stupid generalizations because you lack the effort to actually find the answer or look for a solution. 

    The government is not the problem, not at all. I've said this so many times yet none of you repubs ever get it. 

    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 


     
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    @wallstreet, two types of lobbyists, one works with individuals that wish to work for their desires, that the two sides agree that this is what is needed. the other forces individuals to do as they wish them to do by leveraging money, or secrets and extort them to do what they wish. Of the two one has a freewill proposition other is by forced acceptance.

    beginning and end of the "swamp" is the "evil" lobbying firms.

    most things can be determined to conclude these two different stylistic approach to the human condition. Trump has in the past used both, it is rare that one can use both sides to move agenda one or the other is primarily displayed and hence the dictator vs the freemen, the absolute vs the collective will.

    the swamp is filled leverage brokers of secrets these are materialized by gaining hidden information on the misconduct humans do being humans and not perfected creatures. this guilt or fear of being exposed by tapes in lude positions in hotel rooms or strip clubs then force individuals to succumb and vote for political survival . 
    ex what happens in vegas conventions may not necessarily stay in vegas but can be utilized to move forward legislation. however , when the secret is cashed if an individual doesnt do as told then it is rendered useless hence scripture the "Truth "will set you free.

    but as political gain leverage by popularity during an election fear of exposure is a great motivator to a career politician.
    then there is money lobbyist bring to the table to sponsor or defeat a candidate this can be utilized in ads political action campaigns slander etc. for the broadcast "news" has no requirement under free speech to be truthful. under free speech one is entitled to exaggerate take out of context and generally shape public opinion, propaganda yes but it legal, may not be moral but accepted .

    but the swamp is information as well as financial leveraging lobbying firms. the way it is.


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    @wallstreet, two types of lobbyists, one works with individuals that wish to work for their desires, that the two sides agree that this is what is needed. the other forces individuals to do as they wish them to do by leveraging money, or secrets and extort them to do what they wish. Of the two one has a freewill proposition other is by forced acceptance.

    beginning and end of the "swamp" is the "evil" lobbying firms.

    most things can be determined to conclude these two different stylistic approach to the human condition. Trump has in the past used both, it is rare that one can use both sides to move agenda one or the other is primarily displayed and hence the dictator vs the freemen, the absolute vs the collective will.

    the swamp is filled leverage brokers of secrets these are materialized by gaining hidden information on the misconduct humans do being humans and not perfected creatures. this guilt or fear of being exposed by tapes in lude positions in hotel rooms or strip clubs then force individuals to succumb and vote for political survival . 
    ex what happens in vegas conventions may not necessarily stay in vegas but can be utilized to move forward legislation. however , when the secret is cashed if an individual doesnt do as told then it is rendered useless hence scripture the "Truth "will set you free.

    but as political gain leverage by popularity during an election fear of exposure is a great motivator to a career politician.
    then there is money lobbyist bring to the table to sponsor or defeat a candidate this can be utilized in ads political action campaigns slander etc. for the broadcast "news" has no requirement under free speech to be truthful. under free speech one is entitled to exaggerate take out of context and generally shape public opinion, propaganda yes but it legal, may not be moral but accepted .

    but the swamp is information as well as financial leveraging lobbying firms. the way it is.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 



    As usual you miss crucial parts of what I said, but for sure it is intentional...you do not hide your tendencies of trying to fight with me very well do you?

    I referenced on this site, I did not say friends or co-workers or family members only members here. So my comment about repubs is yes indeed what I meant. The repubs here and the antagonizer which is you are the only parties involved so instead of the usual nitpicking and trying to find some angle to find fault, why don't you instead debate the concept...did you answer the swamp question? I do not recall you doing so with any detail, so feel free to do so or keep your off topic attacks to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 



    As usual you miss crucial parts of what I said, but for sure it is intentional...you do not hide your tendencies of trying to fight with me very well do you?

    I referenced on this site, I did not say friends or co-workers or family members only members here. So my comment about repubs is yes indeed what I meant. The repubs here and the antagonizer which is you are the only parties involved so instead of the usual nitpicking and trying to find some angle to find fault, why don't you instead debate the concept...did you answer the swamp question? I do not recall you doing so with any detail, so feel free to do so or keep your off topic attacks to yourself.
     
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    The narrative I'm supposed to believe is Trump is a bastion of morality and has strong ethics/beliefs dating back to when he was young?  Apparently that's what Republicans are trying to push even though this guy did everything his entire life for himself and his family, did little charity work (I still want people to watch the clip of him volunteering in Louisana during the campaign to help out.  He looked like he had never done it in his entire life), and constantly threatened contractors with litigation in order to forces small parties to settle for less than the agreed amount, which is why people weren't particularly fond of Trump in New York. 

    The reason I was a Bernie fan wasn't even necessarily the policies, but rather the fact I knew he didn't flip-flop on virtually any of his positions over 3 decades and Trump changed his mind practically daily, meaning he had no real conviction and passion for anything, quite frankly.  Wallstreetcappers is right.  There will end up being some people prosecuted in the future for crimes committed and some of those people will be associated with Trump, one way or another.  It just may take a long time for it to happen but I'm pretty sure I won't wake up in the future to find out Trump has gotten rid of corruption.  That sounds ridiculous.
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    The narrative I'm supposed to believe is Trump is a bastion of morality and has strong ethics/beliefs dating back to when he was young?  Apparently that's what Republicans are trying to push even though this guy did everything his entire life for himself and his family, did little charity work (I still want people to watch the clip of him volunteering in Louisana during the campaign to help out.  He looked like he had never done it in his entire life), and constantly threatened contractors with litigation in order to forces small parties to settle for less than the agreed amount, which is why people weren't particularly fond of Trump in New York. 

    The reason I was a Bernie fan wasn't even necessarily the policies, but rather the fact I knew he didn't flip-flop on virtually any of his positions over 3 decades and Trump changed his mind practically daily, meaning he had no real conviction and passion for anything, quite frankly.  Wallstreetcappers is right.  There will end up being some people prosecuted in the future for crimes committed and some of those people will be associated with Trump, one way or another.  It just may take a long time for it to happen but I'm pretty sure I won't wake up in the future to find out Trump has gotten rid of corruption.  That sounds ridiculous.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2017 - 9:25 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 



    Hugh_Jorgan you are wasting your breath.. The government can never be too big for the people on the left....hence it can never be the problem.. ..it needs to be bigger so it can control and solve all our problems ...

    "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."   ~Thomas Jefferson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    You obviously have yourself convinced that the issue you just outlined is a "repub" problem, and that the dems have it all figured out.
    At least that exactly what you just wrote in a  round about way.

    Whatever makes you feel superior, just run with it 



    Hugh_Jorgan you are wasting your breath.. The government can never be too big for the people on the left....hence it can never be the problem.. ..it needs to be bigger so it can control and solve all our problems ...

    "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."   ~Thomas Jefferson
     
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    My SWAMP definition...WASHINGTON, D.C. 

    It is a gigantic cesspool full of the most vile, slimy,corrupt sleezeballs ever assembled in a so called "district" that leech off our "leviathon" sized Federal government which mainly consists of career politicians and career bureaucrats who will do everything possible to maintain their power and financial benefits.

    D.C. is the most important city in the world. Over 4 trillion dollars flows through it annually. Leeches and cockroaches abound everywhere within it. Look at all the lies and backstabbing that resounds within and outside of it. This is EXACTLY what DJT loathes(like MOST Americans) and has been describing all along. It smells really bad, it's vicious, hate filled, and one would question why would anyone want to go there in the first place, except for some WHO REALLY LOVE their country. 

    Go reread my post #14. I typed it 5 hours BEFORE some nutjob "went hunting to KILL a FEW REPUBLICANS" 

    As for TRUMPS cabinet...they couldn't be farther away from being a SWAMP things (except for maybe Perry and Cho, Mitch's wife and Priebus who WILL be fired soon)) They are very, very SUCCESSFUL(albeit wealthy) folks from PRIVATE sector who know how to run organizations. Even the military guys have done GREAT jobs so far... It's not easy succeeding in the private sector.. Lots of sucking up to those who make decisions.Personally, I can't AND won't do it anymore..Not in my DNA..

    TRUMP ain't one..he's just a NY real estate guy(helped greatly by Daddy) who hit it big with The Apprentice and has a very HOT wife..he definitely ain't the sharpest crayon in the box..He has plenty of weakness BUT he is a very solid LEADER..Look what he built the TRUMP organization into... Hell,  BOH couldn't even run a candy store, he was always too busy organizing his instigators using his Saul Alinsky tactics...Remember ACORN..what a fraud group that was and waste of TAX $$

    SWAMP things= COMEY, McCONNELL, PELOSI, LEAHY, McCAIN(he might be the worst).MUELLER.the list goes on.. any of these folks who LEECH and SURVIVE on this massive Federal government. they'll do anything to stay in power.....and when they are threatened by an outsider like TRUMP...they want to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to stop him. He is a very threat to their existence..that's why.WE NEED term limits ASAP!!!.

    SS posted somewhere what DJT has made folks working with him not being allowed to be lobbyists for 5 years after leaving. GREAT MOVE to drain that part of SWAMP.

    We need a smaller, more limited government that operates efficiently with fiscal restraint..without all these overlapping programs.Each SECY is doing that within their own departments by streamlining what they can BUT they are constantly running into THE DEEP STATE. Bcrats that can't take change and have been getting FAT and LAZY in their cozy govt jobs(Leeches)....Many will be having to "Go look for some NEW cheese soon." 

    It's all changing by the day..look at what Zeiche did today..drained some swamp creatures in his dept...This is JUST the BEGINNING...Can't wait till Sessions(not a big fan of him either) can hire some help and get DOJ squared away. hopefully Cris Wray ain't a swamp thing but wouldn't be surprised if he was..

    So much more to come...DJT has boundless energy despite hating this health care fiasco. WE WILL end up with a form of single payer for those who can't afford private insurance. I'm a realist. I am open minded. Tax reform will boost economy..I'm sure DJT is smart enough to do IMMIGRATION next year BEFORE the midterms 

    Let's all just get along and give DJT a chance...for 4 1/2 months with  the ENTIRE MSM beating him down non-stop, he still is STANDING TALL...Having Melania around (and his kid) now will only help his surroundings..Stay tuned..there is NEVER a dull moment when draining the SWAMP 
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    My SWAMP definition...WASHINGTON, D.C. 

    It is a gigantic cesspool full of the most vile, slimy,corrupt sleezeballs ever assembled in a so called "district" that leech off our "leviathon" sized Federal government which mainly consists of career politicians and career bureaucrats who will do everything possible to maintain their power and financial benefits.

    D.C. is the most important city in the world. Over 4 trillion dollars flows through it annually. Leeches and cockroaches abound everywhere within it. Look at all the lies and backstabbing that resounds within and outside of it. This is EXACTLY what DJT loathes(like MOST Americans) and has been describing all along. It smells really bad, it's vicious, hate filled, and one would question why would anyone want to go there in the first place, except for some WHO REALLY LOVE their country. 

    Go reread my post #14. I typed it 5 hours BEFORE some nutjob "went hunting to KILL a FEW REPUBLICANS" 

    As for TRUMPS cabinet...they couldn't be farther away from being a SWAMP things (except for maybe Perry and Cho, Mitch's wife and Priebus who WILL be fired soon)) They are very, very SUCCESSFUL(albeit wealthy) folks from PRIVATE sector who know how to run organizations. Even the military guys have done GREAT jobs so far... It's not easy succeeding in the private sector.. Lots of sucking up to those who make decisions.Personally, I can't AND won't do it anymore..Not in my DNA..

    TRUMP ain't one..he's just a NY real estate guy(helped greatly by Daddy) who hit it big with The Apprentice and has a very HOT wife..he definitely ain't the sharpest crayon in the box..He has plenty of weakness BUT he is a very solid LEADER..Look what he built the TRUMP organization into... Hell,  BOH couldn't even run a candy store, he was always too busy organizing his instigators using his Saul Alinsky tactics...Remember ACORN..what a fraud group that was and waste of TAX $$

    SWAMP things= COMEY, McCONNELL, PELOSI, LEAHY, McCAIN(he might be the worst).MUELLER.the list goes on.. any of these folks who LEECH and SURVIVE on this massive Federal government. they'll do anything to stay in power.....and when they are threatened by an outsider like TRUMP...they want to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to stop him. He is a very threat to their existence..that's why.WE NEED term limits ASAP!!!.

    SS posted somewhere what DJT has made folks working with him not being allowed to be lobbyists for 5 years after leaving. GREAT MOVE to drain that part of SWAMP.

    We need a smaller, more limited government that operates efficiently with fiscal restraint..without all these overlapping programs.Each SECY is doing that within their own departments by streamlining what they can BUT they are constantly running into THE DEEP STATE. Bcrats that can't take change and have been getting FAT and LAZY in their cozy govt jobs(Leeches)....Many will be having to "Go look for some NEW cheese soon." 

    It's all changing by the day..look at what Zeiche did today..drained some swamp creatures in his dept...This is JUST the BEGINNING...Can't wait till Sessions(not a big fan of him either) can hire some help and get DOJ squared away. hopefully Cris Wray ain't a swamp thing but wouldn't be surprised if he was..

    So much more to come...DJT has boundless energy despite hating this health care fiasco. WE WILL end up with a form of single payer for those who can't afford private insurance. I'm a realist. I am open minded. Tax reform will boost economy..I'm sure DJT is smart enough to do IMMIGRATION next year BEFORE the midterms 

    Let's all just get along and give DJT a chance...for 4 1/2 months with  the ENTIRE MSM beating him down non-stop, he still is STANDING TALL...Having Melania around (and his kid) now will only help his surroundings..Stay tuned..there is NEVER a dull moment when draining the SWAMP 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    My SWAMP definition...WASHINGTON, D.C. 

    It is a gigantic cesspool full of the most vile, slimy,corrupt sleezeballs ever assembled in a so called "district" that leech off our "leviathon" sized Federal government which mainly consists of career politicians and career bureaucrats who will do everything possible to maintain their power and financial benefits.

    D.C. is the most important city in the world. Over 4 trillion dollars flows through it annually. Leeches and cockroaches abound everywhere within it. Look at all the lies and backstabbing that resounds within and outside of it. This is EXACTLY what DJT loathes(like MOST Americans) and has been describing all along. It smells really bad, it's vicious, hate filled, and one would question why would anyone want to go there in the first place, except for some WHO REALLY LOVE their country. 

    Go reread my post #14. I typed it 5 hours BEFORE some nutjob "went hunting to KILL a FEW REPUBLICANS" 

    As for TRUMPS cabinet...they couldn't be farther away from being a SWAMP things (except for maybe Perry and Cho, Mitch's wife and Priebus who WILL be fired soon)) They are very, very SUCCESSFUL(albeit wealthy) folks from PRIVATE sector who know how to run organizations. Even the military guys have done GREAT jobs so far... It's not easy succeeding in the private sector.. Lots of sucking up to those who make decisions.Personally, I can't AND won't do it anymore..Not in my DNA..

    TRUMP ain't one..he's just a NY real estate guy(helped greatly by Daddy) who hit it big with The Apprentice and has a very HOT wife..he definitely ain't the sharpest crayon in the box..He has plenty of weakness BUT he is a very solid LEADER..Look what he built the TRUMP organization into... Hell,  BOH couldn't even run a candy store, he was always too busy organizing his instigators using his Saul Alinsky tactics...Remember ACORN..what a fraud group that was and waste of TAX $$

    SWAMP things= COMEY, McCONNELL, PELOSI, LEAHY, McCAIN(he might be the worst).MUELLER.the list goes on.. any of these folks who LEECH and SURVIVE on this massive Federal government. they'll do anything to stay in power.....and when they are threatened by an outsider like TRUMP...they want to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to stop him. He is a very threat to their existence..that's why.WE NEED term limits ASAP!!!.

    SS posted somewhere what DJT has made folks working with him not being allowed to be lobbyists for 5 years after leaving. GREAT MOVE to drain that part of SWAMP.

    We need a smaller, more limited government that operates efficiently with fiscal restraint..without all these overlapping programs.Each SECY is doing that within their own departments by streamlining what they can BUT they are constantly running into THE DEEP STATE. Bcrats that can't take change and have been getting FAT and LAZY in their cozy govt jobs(Leeches)....Many will be having to "Go look for some NEW cheese soon." 

    It's all changing by the day..look at what Zeiche did today..drained some swamp creatures in his dept...This is JUST the BEGINNING...Can't wait till Sessions(not a big fan of him either) can hire some help and get DOJ squared away. hopefully Cris Wray ain't a swamp thing but wouldn't be surprised if he was..

    So much more to come...DJT has boundless energy despite hating this health care fiasco. WE WILL end up with a form of single payer for those who can't afford private insurance. I'm a realist. I am open minded. Tax reform will boost economy..I'm sure DJT is smart enough to do IMMIGRATION next year BEFORE the midterms 

    Let's all just get along and give DJT a chance...for 4 1/2 months with  the ENTIRE MSM beating him down non-stop, he still is STANDING TALL...Having Melania around (and his kid) now will only help his surroundings..Stay tuned..there is NEVER a dull moment when draining the SWAMP 

    Should have BUMPED 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    My SWAMP definition...WASHINGTON, D.C. 

    It is a gigantic cesspool full of the most vile, slimy,corrupt sleezeballs ever assembled in a so called "district" that leech off our "leviathon" sized Federal government which mainly consists of career politicians and career bureaucrats who will do everything possible to maintain their power and financial benefits.

    D.C. is the most important city in the world. Over 4 trillion dollars flows through it annually. Leeches and cockroaches abound everywhere within it. Look at all the lies and backstabbing that resounds within and outside of it. This is EXACTLY what DJT loathes(like MOST Americans) and has been describing all along. It smells really bad, it's vicious, hate filled, and one would question why would anyone want to go there in the first place, except for some WHO REALLY LOVE their country. 

    Go reread my post #14. I typed it 5 hours BEFORE some nutjob "went hunting to KILL a FEW REPUBLICANS" 

    As for TRUMPS cabinet...they couldn't be farther away from being a SWAMP things (except for maybe Perry and Cho, Mitch's wife and Priebus who WILL be fired soon)) They are very, very SUCCESSFUL(albeit wealthy) folks from PRIVATE sector who know how to run organizations. Even the military guys have done GREAT jobs so far... It's not easy succeeding in the private sector.. Lots of sucking up to those who make decisions.Personally, I can't AND won't do it anymore..Not in my DNA..

    TRUMP ain't one..he's just a NY real estate guy(helped greatly by Daddy) who hit it big with The Apprentice and has a very HOT wife..he definitely ain't the sharpest crayon in the box..He has plenty of weakness BUT he is a very solid LEADER..Look what he built the TRUMP organization into... Hell,  BOH couldn't even run a candy store, he was always too busy organizing his instigators using his Saul Alinsky tactics...Remember ACORN..what a fraud group that was and waste of TAX $$

    SWAMP things= COMEY, McCONNELL, PELOSI, LEAHY, McCAIN(he might be the worst).MUELLER.the list goes on.. any of these folks who LEECH and SURVIVE on this massive Federal government. they'll do anything to stay in power.....and when they are threatened by an outsider like TRUMP...they want to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to stop him. He is a very threat to their existence..that's why.WE NEED term limits ASAP!!!.

    SS posted somewhere what DJT has made folks working with him not being allowed to be lobbyists for 5 years after leaving. GREAT MOVE to drain that part of SWAMP.

    We need a smaller, more limited government that operates efficiently with fiscal restraint..without all these overlapping programs.Each SECY is doing that within their own departments by streamlining what they can BUT they are constantly running into THE DEEP STATE. Bcrats that can't take change and have been getting FAT and LAZY in their cozy govt jobs(Leeches)....Many will be having to "Go look for some NEW cheese soon." 

    It's all changing by the day..look at what Zeiche did today..drained some swamp creatures in his dept...This is JUST the BEGINNING...Can't wait till Sessions(not a big fan of him either) can hire some help and get DOJ squared away. hopefully Cris Wray ain't a swamp thing but wouldn't be surprised if he was..

    So much more to come...DJT has boundless energy despite hating this health care fiasco. WE WILL end up with a form of single payer for those who can't afford private insurance. I'm a realist. I am open minded. Tax reform will boost economy..I'm sure DJT is smart enough to do IMMIGRATION next year BEFORE the midterms 

    Let's all just get along and give DJT a chance...for 4 1/2 months with  the ENTIRE MSM beating him down non-stop, he still is STANDING TALL...Having Melania around (and his kid) now will only help his surroundings..Stay tuned..there is NEVER a dull moment when draining the SWAMP 

    Should have BUMPED 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    As usual you miss crucial parts of what I said, but for sure it is intentional...you do not hide your tendencies of trying to fight with me very well do you?

    I referenced on this site, I did not say friends or co-workers or family members only members here. So my comment about repubs is yes indeed what I meant. The repubs here and the antagonizer which is you are the only parties involved so instead of the usual nitpicking and trying to find some angle to find fault, why don't you instead debate the concept...did you answer the swamp question? I do not recall you doing so with any detail, so feel free to do so or keep your off topic attacks to yourself.

    You're a little salty, aren't you?

    You call out repubs for a certain behavior, yet fail to recognize that the dems exhibit that exact same behavior, and more often than not, more so. 

    As the proud, card carrying liberal that you are, you are blind to your own bias. 

    I am not arguing with you, nor attacking you. I am pointing out that which exists.

    Lastly, your suggesting that I'm "off topic" because I did not answer your "Swamp" question in detail is somewhat absurd considering the title of this thread is "political suicide prediction or genius", and has nothing to do with any swamp.

    PS; I do not disagree with your view of republicans behavior on this site ... I vehemently disagree with your assertion that it is only the republicans. 
    In this regard, what I claimed is not a matter of opinion, it is fact 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    As usual you miss crucial parts of what I said, but for sure it is intentional...you do not hide your tendencies of trying to fight with me very well do you?

    I referenced on this site, I did not say friends or co-workers or family members only members here. So my comment about repubs is yes indeed what I meant. The repubs here and the antagonizer which is you are the only parties involved so instead of the usual nitpicking and trying to find some angle to find fault, why don't you instead debate the concept...did you answer the swamp question? I do not recall you doing so with any detail, so feel free to do so or keep your off topic attacks to yourself.

    You're a little salty, aren't you?

    You call out repubs for a certain behavior, yet fail to recognize that the dems exhibit that exact same behavior, and more often than not, more so. 

    As the proud, card carrying liberal that you are, you are blind to your own bias. 

    I am not arguing with you, nor attacking you. I am pointing out that which exists.

    Lastly, your suggesting that I'm "off topic" because I did not answer your "Swamp" question in detail is somewhat absurd considering the title of this thread is "political suicide prediction or genius", and has nothing to do with any swamp.

    PS; I do not disagree with your view of republicans behavior on this site ... I vehemently disagree with your assertion that it is only the republicans. 
    In this regard, what I claimed is not a matter of opinion, it is fact 

     
     
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    You are trying to make a point which is irrelevant to your complaint, it is as if you are lacking reading comprehension again because you rarely if ever reply to me specifically unless it is to be combative..that is a fact.

    My comments are about repubs, yeah that is correct and only on this site as I said. What you are missing is those in question are those who fit the profile I suggested in my replies. There are not non-repubs involved in this because they are not making the CLAIMS that the group I replied to are. 

    Show me where one of the dem/liberal guys are suggesting that Trump's crew are not part of this swamp issue, where those same libs are suggesting that the swamp is ONLY politicians...go ahead since you are now two times making the same comments which are irrelevant to my point. If you are seriously trying to debate content then show me where that is and then show me where it is multiple times. I think you are going after a tangent to try and attack as you do and have done for a very long time.

    Notice I do not hunt after you in the same way you do with me, I let you have your closet liberal attacks on content, but if you start getting personal or go to far I step in. I already know why you do as you do, but I am not going to tolerate it.

    My entire point which was not addressed is that the swamp as he defines is a farce...at least one guy actually came out and said it was politicians, but that is ridiculous and illogical. 

    Politicians are not capable of causing the damage that so many here are claiming, our political process is very time consuming, very lacking in resources and for sure our legal and political process is reactionary, laws and bills and regulations come in reaction to an offense being taken...yet the real swamp group has since moved on and is exploiting in other ways which may or may not be caught, which may or may not be prosecuted which may or may not be fined.

    The damage to our economy, our population and our prosperity comes from abuses in the private sector, the private sector in size and scale is MULTIPLES of the government, the speed in which greed moves eclipses any government action hundreds of times over. No politician can stop the abusers, there is no possible way we can expect our government to catch up to the real time exploitation that happens every single minute of the day.

    My contention is the only way to improve the political process is to make a wall between corporations and politicians, let the politician serve the individual, not the corporation. Remove contributions, lobbyists, dark money and any financial incentive and enticement that lures politicians to make decisions which are detrimental to the common citizen.
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    You are trying to make a point which is irrelevant to your complaint, it is as if you are lacking reading comprehension again because you rarely if ever reply to me specifically unless it is to be combative..that is a fact.

    My comments are about repubs, yeah that is correct and only on this site as I said. What you are missing is those in question are those who fit the profile I suggested in my replies. There are not non-repubs involved in this because they are not making the CLAIMS that the group I replied to are. 

    Show me where one of the dem/liberal guys are suggesting that Trump's crew are not part of this swamp issue, where those same libs are suggesting that the swamp is ONLY politicians...go ahead since you are now two times making the same comments which are irrelevant to my point. If you are seriously trying to debate content then show me where that is and then show me where it is multiple times. I think you are going after a tangent to try and attack as you do and have done for a very long time.

    Notice I do not hunt after you in the same way you do with me, I let you have your closet liberal attacks on content, but if you start getting personal or go to far I step in. I already know why you do as you do, but I am not going to tolerate it.

    My entire point which was not addressed is that the swamp as he defines is a farce...at least one guy actually came out and said it was politicians, but that is ridiculous and illogical. 

    Politicians are not capable of causing the damage that so many here are claiming, our political process is very time consuming, very lacking in resources and for sure our legal and political process is reactionary, laws and bills and regulations come in reaction to an offense being taken...yet the real swamp group has since moved on and is exploiting in other ways which may or may not be caught, which may or may not be prosecuted which may or may not be fined.

    The damage to our economy, our population and our prosperity comes from abuses in the private sector, the private sector in size and scale is MULTIPLES of the government, the speed in which greed moves eclipses any government action hundreds of times over. No politician can stop the abusers, there is no possible way we can expect our government to catch up to the real time exploitation that happens every single minute of the day.

    My contention is the only way to improve the political process is to make a wall between corporations and politicians, let the politician serve the individual, not the corporation. Remove contributions, lobbyists, dark money and any financial incentive and enticement that lures politicians to make decisions which are detrimental to the common citizen.
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