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    PENNSYLVANIA

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    Relax_Dude
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2016 - 6:21 PM ET #1

    Romney 2.7 million
    Obama 2.9 million

    Basically a 5-9% advantage. 

    According to recent polls, Hillary is not as comfortable as Obama was n Pennsylvania, but the urban voters are making the difference for Hillary as they are all over. Trump will control rural areas, but larger urban centers are putting her over the top (Without Atlanta, Georgia would bull over Hillary and not even be close).

    Both Romney and McCain saw Pennsylvania as key, but failed despite a massive amount of time and resources. 

    This is the only state that figures in nearly every scenario where Trump wins (incl Ohio, Florida) or pulls off any Novemeber surprise.
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    Romney 2.7 million
    Obama 2.9 million

    Basically a 5-9% advantage. 

    According to recent polls, Hillary is not as comfortable as Obama was n Pennsylvania, but the urban voters are making the difference for Hillary as they are all over. Trump will control rural areas, but larger urban centers are putting her over the top (Without Atlanta, Georgia would bull over Hillary and not even be close).

    Both Romney and McCain saw Pennsylvania as key, but failed despite a massive amount of time and resources. 

    This is the only state that figures in nearly every scenario where Trump wins (incl Ohio, Florida) or pulls off any Novemeber surprise.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2016 - 6:58 PM ET #2

    Evan McMullin is a CIA operative, former Goldman Sachs exec., and he is NOW in the race to try erase further votes from Trump. His main platform is defense against ISIS and terrorism. You know you are on the right side when they have to do this. They fear the negatives against an insider might leave open a tiny window for Trump. Putting Mcmullen on the Penn ballot helps to draw more independent voters away from Trump and help Hillary. The Johnson votes and Green Party voters are drawing voters FROM Hillary by small margins, so this is an attempt to draw the right wing military and gun supporters from Trump.

    This is called a mild form of voter manipulation. Completely legal, but this is your government at work in your own election.
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    Evan McMullin is a CIA operative, former Goldman Sachs exec., and he is NOW in the race to try erase further votes from Trump. His main platform is defense against ISIS and terrorism. You know you are on the right side when they have to do this. They fear the negatives against an insider might leave open a tiny window for Trump. Putting Mcmullen on the Penn ballot helps to draw more independent voters away from Trump and help Hillary. The Johnson votes and Green Party voters are drawing voters FROM Hillary by small margins, so this is an attempt to draw the right wing military and gun supporters from Trump.

    This is called a mild form of voter manipulation. Completely legal, but this is your government at work in your own election.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2016 - 11:35 AM ET #3

    Not getting into politics debate...  5 dimes has Trump winning PA at +404 if you think he can win.
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    Not getting into politics debate...  5 dimes has Trump winning PA at +404 if you think he can win.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2016 - 2:38 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    Evan McMullin is a CIA operative, former Goldman Sachs exec., and he is NOW in the race to try erase further votes from Trump. His main platform is defense against ISIS and terrorism. You know you are on the right side when they have to do this. They fear the negatives against an insider might leave open a tiny window for Trump. Putting Mcmullen on the Penn ballot helps to draw more independent voters away from Trump and help Hillary. The Johnson votes and Green Party voters are drawing voters FROM Hillary by small margins, so this is an attempt to draw the right wing military and gun supporters from Trump.

    This is called a mild form of voter manipulation. Completely legal, but this is your government at work in your own election.

     
     
    Interesting theory.

    (I) can smell what's cookin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:

    Evan McMullin is a CIA operative, former Goldman Sachs exec., and he is NOW in the race to try erase further votes from Trump. His main platform is defense against ISIS and terrorism. You know you are on the right side when they have to do this. They fear the negatives against an insider might leave open a tiny window for Trump. Putting Mcmullen on the Penn ballot helps to draw more independent voters away from Trump and help Hillary. The Johnson votes and Green Party voters are drawing voters FROM Hillary by small margins, so this is an attempt to draw the right wing military and gun supporters from Trump.

    This is called a mild form of voter manipulation. Completely legal, but this is your government at work in your own election.

     
     
    Interesting theory.

    (I) can smell what's cookin'.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2016 - 3:36 PM ET #5

    I see Mitt Romney's fingerprints on this  ...Evan McMullin is a born in Utah,, Brigham Young University grad Mormon..I smell a rat.
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    I see Mitt Romney's fingerprints on this  ...Evan McMullin is a born in Utah,, Brigham Young University grad Mormon..I smell a rat.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 11:16 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by gmitran:

    Not getting into politics debate...  5 dimes has Trump winning PA at +404 if you think he can win.

    Pretty formidable odds. I think Trump will be within 300,000 votes. If voting is up, could go 

    Hillary 2.8 -3 million
    Trump 2.7 to 3 million 

    I do not think she retains the 95% black vote that Obama did --not in any state. I think Latinos will also peel away from Hillary. But not in great enough numbers. She will ride the coattails of a coalition Obama developed, but she is NOT --I REPEAT NOT---ever going to be the 'social change/social justice President that Obama has been (especially this last term. Hillary is a one term President. Her health will topple her rapidly. Plus she is divisive, and her impromptu speeches will NEVER win people over to soothe a crisis.

    One term.

    Ill health.

    DIVISION.
    WAR.
    TERORISM.

    CORRUPTION unprecedented.

    Middle class stifled.

    HILLARY--WITH HER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmitran:

    Not getting into politics debate...  5 dimes has Trump winning PA at +404 if you think he can win.

    Pretty formidable odds. I think Trump will be within 300,000 votes. If voting is up, could go 

    Hillary 2.8 -3 million
    Trump 2.7 to 3 million 

    I do not think she retains the 95% black vote that Obama did --not in any state. I think Latinos will also peel away from Hillary. But not in great enough numbers. She will ride the coattails of a coalition Obama developed, but she is NOT --I REPEAT NOT---ever going to be the 'social change/social justice President that Obama has been (especially this last term. Hillary is a one term President. Her health will topple her rapidly. Plus she is divisive, and her impromptu speeches will NEVER win people over to soothe a crisis.

    One term.

    Ill health.

    DIVISION.
    WAR.
    TERORISM.

    CORRUPTION unprecedented.

    Middle class stifled.

    HILLARY--WITH HER.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 11:20 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I see Mitt Romney's fingerprints on this  ...Evan McMullin is a born in Utah,, Brigham Young University grad Mormon..I smell a rat.

    Exactly. He is still on the CIA payroll, too. Ridiculous that MSNBC would have him on for over half an hour answering softball questions, and nearly every answer was a tear down of Trump (never Hillary).  The CIA doesn't want to say in the end that they didn't put in their best effort here. It's looking landslide for the Clinton Crime Syndicate, but they do not want to leave anything to chance. Just trying to put Trump on a further defense for the "unfit" and temperament attacks.

    Always fade establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    I see Mitt Romney's fingerprints on this  ...Evan McMullin is a born in Utah,, Brigham Young University grad Mormon..I smell a rat.

    Exactly. He is still on the CIA payroll, too. Ridiculous that MSNBC would have him on for over half an hour answering softball questions, and nearly every answer was a tear down of Trump (never Hillary).  The CIA doesn't want to say in the end that they didn't put in their best effort here. It's looking landslide for the Clinton Crime Syndicate, but they do not want to leave anything to chance. Just trying to put Trump on a further defense for the "unfit" and temperament attacks.

    Always fade establishment.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 3:33 PM ET #8

    As of 2016-08-11, HRC has an 81.6% chance of carrying PA:

    https://electionbettingodds.com/

    Just let your cursor hover over any state to check EBO's current probability.
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    As of 2016-08-11, HRC has an 81.6% chance of carrying PA:

    https://electionbettingodds.com/

    Just let your cursor hover over any state to check EBO's current probability.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 3:36 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:


    Exactly. He is still on the CIA payroll, too. Ridiculous that MSNBC would have him on for over half an hour answering softball questions, and nearly every answer was a tear down of Trump (never Hillary).  The CIA doesn't want to say in the end that they didn't put in their best effort here. It's looking landslide for the Clinton Crime Syndicate, but they do not want to leave anything to chance. Just trying to put Trump on a further defense for the "unfit" and temperament attacks.

    Always fade establishment.
    I think you meant, "Always tail the Establishment."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:


    Exactly. He is still on the CIA payroll, too. Ridiculous that MSNBC would have him on for over half an hour answering softball questions, and nearly every answer was a tear down of Trump (never Hillary).  The CIA doesn't want to say in the end that they didn't put in their best effort here. It's looking landslide for the Clinton Crime Syndicate, but they do not want to leave anything to chance. Just trying to put Trump on a further defense for the "unfit" and temperament attacks.

    Always fade establishment.
    I think you meant, "Always tail the Establishment."
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 10:04 PM ET #10

    Trump's a train wreck. He panders to the uneducated. Republicans love to cut funding for education. They supplied trump with his base . Republican party will be done in less than 10 years. They can't recover from the damage they have done to themselves.
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    Trump's a train wreck. He panders to the uneducated. Republicans love to cut funding for education. They supplied trump with his base . Republican party will be done in less than 10 years. They can't recover from the damage they have done to themselves.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2016 - 10:25 PM ET #11

    You have to understand the mentality of the trump supporter where facts and reality means nothing to them.  At least that is what it looks like 
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    You have to understand the mentality of the trump supporter where facts and reality means nothing to them.  At least that is what it looks like 
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2016 - 7:23 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Trump's a train wreck. He panders to the uneducated. Republicans love to cut funding for education. They supplied trump with his base . Republican party will be done in less than 10 years. They can't recover from the damage they have done to themselves.

    No matter how much damage Trump inflicts on the GOP, they can still win the next election.

    1964 - Dem landslide, 1968 - Rep victory.
    1972 - Rep landslide, 1976 - Dem victory.

    Plus HRC is very unpopular, which means the public will probably view her Presidency through shxt-colored glasses.  Based on HRC's warmongering record, a war that I see as probable that kills thousands of Americans and a hundred thousand Syrians will damage her popularity even further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Trump's a train wreck. He panders to the uneducated. Republicans love to cut funding for education. They supplied trump with his base . Republican party will be done in less than 10 years. They can't recover from the damage they have done to themselves.

    No matter how much damage Trump inflicts on the GOP, they can still win the next election.

    1964 - Dem landslide, 1968 - Rep victory.
    1972 - Rep landslide, 1976 - Dem victory.

    Plus HRC is very unpopular, which means the public will probably view her Presidency through shxt-colored glasses.  Based on HRC's warmongering record, a war that I see as probable that kills thousands of Americans and a hundred thousand Syrians will damage her popularity even further.
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