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    pardons?

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    jimrockford22
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2020 - 10:53 PM ET #1

    i find this subject fascinating...... and there have been lots of questionable pardons..... and trump self-pardoning himself wouldn't be as bad as bill clinton pardoning marc rich. a fugitive FFS.

    a bunch of questions........ should preface by saying pardons are pretty strong. not easily challenged.

    1) can trump pardon self?

    2) pardon anyone he may have done criminal activities with? THIS IS A BIG ONE

    3) family members..... bill clinton pardoned his brother.

    4) pardons for things that haven't come to light or charged or convicted. things that happened in the past.

    5) pardons for THINGS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET.... LOL

    6) selling pardons..... VERY BAD...... hopefully he loses ability to make pardons.

    7) pence temporarily become president so he can give DJT pardon

    8) will pardonee being admitting guilt?... unless it's compassion or wrongful conviction pardon, this is ASSUMED... THIS IS PRETTY BIG TOO....

    9) usually done in conjunction with DOJ.... be we all know DJT and customs

    10) pardon for the guy carrying semi-automatic around a volatile rally/protest... LOL again

    there must be other stuff....... and as i said, there have definitely been lots of questionable pardons. and political/administration pardons.

    on #8, conrad black got a pardon and walks around saying that proved him innocent.... shouldn't that pardon be revoked? didn't he implicitly agree to those terms. IT IS VERY MURKY OF COURSE...... trump kids will do the same. just say they did pardon because they were going to be persecuted.

    NOTHING TO DO WITH PARDONS.... can a convicted criminal hold public office? presidency in particular?

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    i find this subject fascinating...... and there have been lots of questionable pardons..... and trump self-pardoning himself wouldn't be as bad as bill clinton pardoning marc rich. a fugitive FFS.

    a bunch of questions........ should preface by saying pardons are pretty strong. not easily challenged.

    1) can trump pardon self?

    2) pardon anyone he may have done criminal activities with? THIS IS A BIG ONE

    3) family members..... bill clinton pardoned his brother.

    4) pardons for things that haven't come to light or charged or convicted. things that happened in the past.

    5) pardons for THINGS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET.... LOL

    6) selling pardons..... VERY BAD...... hopefully he loses ability to make pardons.

    7) pence temporarily become president so he can give DJT pardon

    8) will pardonee being admitting guilt?... unless it's compassion or wrongful conviction pardon, this is ASSUMED... THIS IS PRETTY BIG TOO....

    9) usually done in conjunction with DOJ.... be we all know DJT and customs

    10) pardon for the guy carrying semi-automatic around a volatile rally/protest... LOL again

    there must be other stuff....... and as i said, there have definitely been lots of questionable pardons. and political/administration pardons.

    on #8, conrad black got a pardon and walks around saying that proved him innocent.... shouldn't that pardon be revoked? didn't he implicitly agree to those terms. IT IS VERY MURKY OF COURSE...... trump kids will do the same. just say they did pardon because they were going to be persecuted.

    NOTHING TO DO WITH PARDONS.... can a convicted criminal hold public office? presidency in particular?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2020 - 11:05 PM ET #2

    also, would the pardons specify what general areas it covers? or would it be even more specific?  let's say a pre-emptive pardon for XXXXXX who served in trump administration (or obama admin. my question is generic).

    and then it turns out he was a serial rapist when he was in college. police crack some cold cases  ....... surely the pardon doesn't cover that... or does it?

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    also, would the pardons specify what general areas it covers? or would it be even more specific?  let's say a pre-emptive pardon for XXXXXX who served in trump administration (or obama admin. my question is generic).

    and then it turns out he was a serial rapist when he was in college. police crack some cold cases  ....... surely the pardon doesn't cover that... or does it?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2020 - 11:08 PM ET #3

    Can't pardon himself. He would have to step down, have Pence sworn in, then ask Pence to pardon him.

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    Can't pardon himself. He would have to step down, have Pence sworn in, then ask Pence to pardon him.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2020 - 11:22 PM ET #4

    Funny I cant remember Obama having to be worried about pardoning himself or his family,when he was leaving office.

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    Funny I cant remember Obama having to be worried about pardoning himself or his family,when he was leaving office.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2020 - 12:04 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckFalls:

    Funny I cant remember Obama having to be worried about pardoning himself or his family,when he was leaving office.

    Hope my OP post didn't come across as trump defending. I despise him 

    I just know a Trump supporter will bring up Marc Rich. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckFalls:

    Funny I cant remember Obama having to be worried about pardoning himself or his family,when he was leaving office.

    Hope my OP post didn't come across as trump defending. I despise him 

    I just know a Trump supporter will bring up Marc Rich. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #6

    My post has nothing to do with defending the clintons,tell you the truth I never voted for him.A lying POS is a lying POS,no matter what side of the fence he is on.No Sonny,Ive figured out from some of your other posts in the politics forum that you get what a conman trump is.I was just throwing it out there about Obama not having to worry about family pardons.

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    My post has nothing to do with defending the clintons,tell you the truth I never voted for him.A lying POS is a lying POS,no matter what side of the fence he is on.No Sonny,Ive figured out from some of your other posts in the politics forum that you get what a conman trump is.I was just throwing it out there about Obama not having to worry about family pardons.

     
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    Trump: ‘I have the absolute right to PARDON myself’

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trump-i-have-the-absolute-right-to-pardon-myself.html

    The above link is quoted from the CNBC, not from "fake" news media. 

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    Trump: ‘I have the absolute right to PARDON myself’

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trump-i-have-the-absolute-right-to-pardon-myself.html

    The above link is quoted from the CNBC, not from "fake" news media. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2020 - 10:21 AM ET #8

    wont matter in the SDNY ...

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    wont matter in the SDNY ...

    an_roll_laugh

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2020 - 11:03 AM ET #9

    Also a self-pardon will surely be challenged ... Be very disappointed if SCOTUS upholds that. Consensus seems to be it has no merit

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    Also a self-pardon will surely be challenged ... Be very disappointed if SCOTUS upholds that. Consensus seems to be it has no merit

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