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    More republican hypocrisy - does it ever end???

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 6:13 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    In contrast, King said in his 1957 speech called “Give Us The Ballot,” “So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind. It is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact. I can only submit to the edict of others.”

    Hillary? i know secret service is just the help ,
    but i refer you to the old testament the part where you weren't suppose to muzzle your ox , its okay you don't believe in the bible over half the world actually believes Moses was a prophet.

    in fact all three Hebrew Muslim and Christianity does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    In contrast, King said in his 1957 speech called “Give Us The Ballot,” “So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind. It is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact. I can only submit to the edict of others.”

    Hillary? i know secret service is just the help ,
    but i refer you to the old testament the part where you weren't suppose to muzzle your ox , its okay you don't believe in the bible over half the world actually believes Moses was a prophet.

    in fact all three Hebrew Muslim and Christianity does.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 6:25 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    more deflection from the deplorables (nature70 and sundance) .. not surprised at all

    Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump secret service protection on business trips to open a new "Golf Club" in Dubai costed American Taxpayers millions of dollars

    Neither Donald Jr nor Eric were conducting US government business.

    Eric and Donald Jr, who run the Trump Organisation, receive Secret Service protection as members of the US President’s immediate family. 

    The pair arrived in the United Arab Emirates on Saturday for a ceremony to formally open the Trump International Golf Club in Dubai. 

    Eric’s visit to Uruguay on a business trip to check on the progress of the Trump Tower in January is said to have cost US taxpayers almost $100,000 (£80,000) to cover his security costs.

    In New York, the city is paying $500,000 a day to guard Trump Tower, according to police officials’ estimates, an amount that could reach $183 million a year.  

    Obama's daughters were minors, not businesswomen making deals on behalf of their fathers
    When and where does it stop ?

    Each trip to Mar-a-Lago costs an estimated $3 million or more

    Trump could have used Camp David to host Prime Minsiter Abe.

    It's easier for Secret Service to protect the president and his guets at Camp David


    Mar-a-Lago 3, Camp David 0


    did you read the article written about the Third amendment?

    you understand the Dubai Hotel is now Iraq Persian gulf

    command center? I state this for our secretary of defense just made a speech from that exact location.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    more deflection from the deplorables (nature70 and sundance) .. not surprised at all

    Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump secret service protection on business trips to open a new "Golf Club" in Dubai costed American Taxpayers millions of dollars

    Neither Donald Jr nor Eric were conducting US government business.

    Eric and Donald Jr, who run the Trump Organisation, receive Secret Service protection as members of the US President’s immediate family. 

    The pair arrived in the United Arab Emirates on Saturday for a ceremony to formally open the Trump International Golf Club in Dubai. 

    Eric’s visit to Uruguay on a business trip to check on the progress of the Trump Tower in January is said to have cost US taxpayers almost $100,000 (£80,000) to cover his security costs.

    In New York, the city is paying $500,000 a day to guard Trump Tower, according to police officials’ estimates, an amount that could reach $183 million a year.  

    Obama's daughters were minors, not businesswomen making deals on behalf of their fathers
    When and where does it stop ?

    Each trip to Mar-a-Lago costs an estimated $3 million or more

    Trump could have used Camp David to host Prime Minsiter Abe.

    It's easier for Secret Service to protect the president and his guets at Camp David


    Mar-a-Lago 3, Camp David 0


    did you read the article written about the Third amendment?

    you understand the Dubai Hotel is now Iraq Persian gulf

    command center? I state this for our secretary of defense just made a speech from that exact location.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 6:33 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    All the talk about obama's travel expenses and using tax payers money etc...

    I heard yesterday that in his first month trumps travel costs alone were right about $11.7 million. That includes travel, secret service etc.

    In his 8 years as president Obama averaged $12 million a year.

    But hey who cares right? Have to be able to think critically to have an opinion on this.


    Does that include the globetrotting Michelle Obama on Air Force 2 and her endless vacations? Not to mention the cost of 70 personal assistants? I'm sure Melania already has more huh? The Obama's used to take separate planes when it wasn't necessary.

    It's going to be a fun 8 years hearing you whine. Obama doubled the federal deficit from $10T to $20T and your sweating Trumps travel expenses?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    All the talk about obama's travel expenses and using tax payers money etc...

    I heard yesterday that in his first month trumps travel costs alone were right about $11.7 million. That includes travel, secret service etc.

    In his 8 years as president Obama averaged $12 million a year.

    But hey who cares right? Have to be able to think critically to have an opinion on this.


    Does that include the globetrotting Michelle Obama on Air Force 2 and her endless vacations? Not to mention the cost of 70 personal assistants? I'm sure Melania already has more huh? The Obama's used to take separate planes when it wasn't necessary.

    It's going to be a fun 8 years hearing you whine. Obama doubled the federal deficit from $10T to $20T and your sweating Trumps travel expenses?


     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 6:51 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    American's have more confidence in the economy now than they have since George Washington crossed the Delaware. There is only 1 reason for this. President Trump. Scott Smelley (sp?) is fake news.


    through in a substitute, scotts off tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    American's have more confidence in the economy now than they have since George Washington crossed the Delaware. There is only 1 reason for this. President Trump. Scott Smelley (sp?) is fake news.


    through in a substitute, scotts off tonight.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 6:52 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    All the talk about obama's travel expenses and using tax payers money etc...

    I heard yesterday that in his first month trumps travel costs alone were right about $11.7 million. That includes travel, secret service etc.

    In his 8 years as president Obama averaged $12 million a year.

    But hey who cares right? Have to be able to think critically to have an opinion on this.



    ............."white privilege".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    All the talk about obama's travel expenses and using tax payers money etc...

    I heard yesterday that in his first month trumps travel costs alone were right about $11.7 million. That includes travel, secret service etc.

    In his 8 years as president Obama averaged $12 million a year.

    But hey who cares right? Have to be able to think critically to have an opinion on this.



    ............."white privilege".
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 10:24 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:


    Hillary? i know secret service is just the help ,
    but i refer you to the old testament the part where you weren't suppose to muzzle your ox , its okay you don't believe in the bible over half the world actually believes Moses was a prophet.

    in fact all three Hebrew Muslim and Christianity does.
    I am not following you 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:


    Hillary? i know secret service is just the help ,
    but i refer you to the old testament the part where you weren't suppose to muzzle your ox , its okay you don't believe in the bible over half the world actually believes Moses was a prophet.

    in fact all three Hebrew Muslim and Christianity does.
    I am not following you 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 10:29 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    did you read the article written about the Third amendment?

    you understand the Dubai Hotel is now Iraq Persian gulf

    command center? I state this for our secretary of defense just made a speech from that exact location.



    what are you talking about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    did you read the article written about the Third amendment?

    you understand the Dubai Hotel is now Iraq Persian gulf

    command center? I state this for our secretary of defense just made a speech from that exact location.



    what are you talking about ?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 11:10 PM ET #33

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    President @BarackObama's vacation is costing taxpayers millions of dollars----Unbelievable!


    11:56 AM - 5 Jan 2012

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    11:56 AM - 5 Jan 2012

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 11:12 PM ET #34

    Four years ago, a weekend Mr. Obama spent in South Florida cost taxpayers $3.6 million. The Pentagon spent about $2.8 million for Air Force One plus support aircraft and military personnel. The Secret Service and the Coast Guard added nearly $800,000. 

    During his eight years in office, Mr. Obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs. Mr. Trump is on pace to eclipse that by the end of his first year. 

    Another cost of keeping Mr. Trump safe? Disruptions to businesses near Mar-a-Lago. The airspace around Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County is restricted whenever the president is in town. On an average day, there are around 300 takeoffs and landings. But when the president is there, nothing’s moving — except the bottom line for businesses that operate out of this airport. They say they lose about $30,000 each weekend they’re closed.

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    Four years ago, a weekend Mr. Obama spent in South Florida cost taxpayers $3.6 million. The Pentagon spent about $2.8 million for Air Force One plus support aircraft and military personnel. The Secret Service and the Coast Guard added nearly $800,000. 

    During his eight years in office, Mr. Obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs. Mr. Trump is on pace to eclipse that by the end of his first year. 

    Another cost of keeping Mr. Trump safe? Disruptions to businesses near Mar-a-Lago. The airspace around Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County is restricted whenever the president is in town. On an average day, there are around 300 takeoffs and landings. But when the president is there, nothing’s moving — except the bottom line for businesses that operate out of this airport. They say they lose about $30,000 each weekend they’re closed.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 11:49 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



    what are you talking about ?



    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/POST01/showmessage.aspx?spt=87&sub=102396539&page=1 post 11.

    Mattis delivered a speech from abu dabai uae.

    about the 60 nation coalition to bring stability and developement to the Middle eastern nations. see qatar alzeera programing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



    what are you talking about ?



    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/POST01/showmessage.aspx?spt=87&sub=102396539&page=1 post 11.

    Mattis delivered a speech from abu dabai uae.

    about the 60 nation coalition to bring stability and developement to the Middle eastern nations. see qatar alzeera programing.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 11:52 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    Four years ago, a weekend Mr. Obama spent in South Florida cost taxpayers $3.6 million. The Pentagon spent about $2.8 million for Air Force One plus support aircraft and military personnel. The Secret Service and the Coast Guard added nearly $800,000. 

    During his eight years in office, Mr. Obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs. Mr. Trump is on pace to eclipse that by the end of his first year. 

    Another cost of keeping Mr. Trump safe? Disruptions to businesses near Mar-a-Lago. The airspace around Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County is restricted whenever the president is in town. On an average day, there are around 300 takeoffs and landings. But when the president is there, nothing’s moving — except the bottom line for businesses that operate out of this airport. They say they lose about $30,000 each weekend they’re closed.




    the sum in mattbrots thesis is derived for the bill Trump Plaza has billed the USA government by Donnie junior and Eric Trump. poor taste yes, but it was for accommodations of the security teams for the President and abe. , and the presidents secret service protection for all of the trumps immediate relatives,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    Four years ago, a weekend Mr. Obama spent in South Florida cost taxpayers $3.6 million. The Pentagon spent about $2.8 million for Air Force One plus support aircraft and military personnel. The Secret Service and the Coast Guard added nearly $800,000. 

    During his eight years in office, Mr. Obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs. Mr. Trump is on pace to eclipse that by the end of his first year. 

    Another cost of keeping Mr. Trump safe? Disruptions to businesses near Mar-a-Lago. The airspace around Lantana Airport in Palm Beach County is restricted whenever the president is in town. On an average day, there are around 300 takeoffs and landings. But when the president is there, nothing’s moving — except the bottom line for businesses that operate out of this airport. They say they lose about $30,000 each weekend they’re closed.




    the sum in mattbrots thesis is derived for the bill Trump Plaza has billed the USA government by Donnie junior and Eric Trump. poor taste yes, but it was for accommodations of the security teams for the President and abe. , and the presidents secret service protection for all of the trumps immediate relatives,
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2017 - 11:56 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    I am not following you 


    https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/25-4.htm old testament

    https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/9-9.htm new testament.

    i am sure there is a clause involving this in the qu'ran but you have to look for yourself that book is twisted even for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    I am not following you 


    https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/25-4.htm old testament

    https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/9-9.htm new testament.

    i am sure there is a clause involving this in the qu'ran but you have to look for yourself that book is twisted even for me.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 12:08 AM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Trump has a LOT of enemies. ANTIFA is getting very belligerent, and are targeting Ivanka, Melania and even his 10 yr old son. 

    They need protection. It would be absurd to back of any protection in this climate. Trump wears a bullet proof vest, and also has his own security in addition to the Secret Service (SMART BTW--JFK's secret service looked awfully inept and even complicit on 11-22-63, just saying)).

    This is a stupid to talk about it. Also, Obama golfed only with his "buddies." Trump has said he will golf with leaders who enjoy the game, to mix business with sport. Which idea is better? He will be the only Pres I know of to do that. 

    You don't get it

    Trump's adult sons Eric and Donald Jr are NOT government employees(Trump's cabinet members)

    American taxpayers money is used to protect them while they do business overseas. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Trump has a LOT of enemies. ANTIFA is getting very belligerent, and are targeting Ivanka, Melania and even his 10 yr old son. 

    They need protection. It would be absurd to back of any protection in this climate. Trump wears a bullet proof vest, and also has his own security in addition to the Secret Service (SMART BTW--JFK's secret service looked awfully inept and even complicit on 11-22-63, just saying)).

    This is a stupid to talk about it. Also, Obama golfed only with his "buddies." Trump has said he will golf with leaders who enjoy the game, to mix business with sport. Which idea is better? He will be the only Pres I know of to do that. 

    You don't get it

    Trump's adult sons Eric and Donald Jr are NOT government employees(Trump's cabinet members)

    American taxpayers money is used to protect them while they do business overseas. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You don't get it

    Trump's adult sons Eric and Donald Jr are NOT government employees(Trump's cabinet members)

    American taxpayers money is used to protect them while they do business overseas. 

    our enemies can not take one of these little darlings to then leverage the office of the presidency . you know so they can have a quick kill and not some unmerciful 10 day torture event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You don't get it

    Trump's adult sons Eric and Donald Jr are NOT government employees(Trump's cabinet members)

    American taxpayers money is used to protect them while they do business overseas. 

    our enemies can not take one of these little darlings to then leverage the office of the presidency . you know so they can have a quick kill and not some unmerciful 10 day torture event.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 10:28 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    how much did Hillary frequent flyer mile run us.
    what results did that achieve... right back at ya tiger.
    what does hilary have to do with this?  Every DRUMP supporter simply ignores any fact against him and points blame somewhere else. Toddlers following the master toddler.   TRUMP golfed 6 times already and cost 11 million in one month.  He called out Obama 88 times on twitter for golfing and spending money but he spent more in one month then Obama did in one year.   Wake up and get your head out of your A##
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    how much did Hillary frequent flyer mile run us.
    what results did that achieve... right back at ya tiger.
    what does hilary have to do with this?  Every DRUMP supporter simply ignores any fact against him and points blame somewhere else. Toddlers following the master toddler.   TRUMP golfed 6 times already and cost 11 million in one month.  He called out Obama 88 times on twitter for golfing and spending money but he spent more in one month then Obama did in one year.   Wake up and get your head out of your A##
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 10:30 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    Trump has a large family. There are many terrorists in the middle east. The secret service is bound to protect all members of a First family. The President cannot say no to that. One of Obama's daughters wanted to stay in Bolivia for several weeks. She also had a secret service there. 

    The business dealings are bothering you. OK. This is an unusually large family, and also a very involved and wealthy family.
    Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.  The hypocrisy was calling out Obama over and over.  Then now that Trumps is 12 x more per year pro rated -  your saying its OK because his family is larger???   The blind allegiance to this con man is comical.  Brand loyalty to a fault.   Us on the outside are watching zombie night following a toddler who cant handle anythign not his way.  Wake up man. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    Trump has a large family. There are many terrorists in the middle east. The secret service is bound to protect all members of a First family. The President cannot say no to that. One of Obama's daughters wanted to stay in Bolivia for several weeks. She also had a secret service there. 

    The business dealings are bothering you. OK. This is an unusually large family, and also a very involved and wealthy family.
    Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.  The hypocrisy was calling out Obama over and over.  Then now that Trumps is 12 x more per year pro rated -  your saying its OK because his family is larger???   The blind allegiance to this con man is comical.  Brand loyalty to a fault.   Us on the outside are watching zombie night following a toddler who cant handle anythign not his way.  Wake up man. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 12:10 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by gunnslinger12:

    Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.  The hypocrisy was calling out Obama over and over.  Then now that Trumps is 12 x more per year pro rated -  your saying its OK because his family is larger???   The blind allegiance to this con man is comical.  Brand loyalty to a fault.   Us on the outside are watching zombie night following a toddler who cant handle anythign not his way.  Wake up man. 

     This man gets it. Everybody else who posted in this thread, other than me, is missing the point and is wrong. The original post I made in this innovative ground breaking thread was about hypocrisy.

    A good argument can be made in support of and against the spending and if it is justified. It just depends on your stance. 

    The point is about the absolute hypocrisy of the inferior Trump supporters. It is so evident in this thread. Attempts to justify his golf despite the wide spread criticism of obama (and trump saying himself that he would be too busy working as president to play golf). The criticism of Obamas spending despite Trump spending much more (as of currently). 

    It is astonishing
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnslinger12:

    Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.  The hypocrisy was calling out Obama over and over.  Then now that Trumps is 12 x more per year pro rated -  your saying its OK because his family is larger???   The blind allegiance to this con man is comical.  Brand loyalty to a fault.   Us on the outside are watching zombie night following a toddler who cant handle anythign not his way.  Wake up man. 

     This man gets it. Everybody else who posted in this thread, other than me, is missing the point and is wrong. The original post I made in this innovative ground breaking thread was about hypocrisy.

    A good argument can be made in support of and against the spending and if it is justified. It just depends on your stance. 

    The point is about the absolute hypocrisy of the inferior Trump supporters. It is so evident in this thread. Attempts to justify his golf despite the wide spread criticism of obama (and trump saying himself that he would be too busy working as president to play golf). The criticism of Obamas spending despite Trump spending much more (as of currently). 

    It is astonishing
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 1:13 PM ET #43

    Very good golf swing for 70. You know what MJ said about Obama's swing?
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    Very good golf swing for 70. You know what MJ said about Obama's swing?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 1:34 PM ET #44

    Plays on tough courses. Probably plays from the tips.
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    Plays on tough courses. Probably plays from the tips.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 4:48 PM ET #45

    maybe in a super secret creative sort of way,
    Trump is not playing golf for the integrity of the game,
    maybe he uses golf in a way to establish contacts, discuss ideas, improve relations.

    like G.H.W Bush with his bass boat. He took Putin fishing maybe not to catch a striper but as way that the two sides could discuss in a pretense of fishing, a way their countries could reach terms in other matters.
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    maybe in a super secret creative sort of way,
    Trump is not playing golf for the integrity of the game,
    maybe he uses golf in a way to establish contacts, discuss ideas, improve relations.

    like G.H.W Bush with his bass boat. He took Putin fishing maybe not to catch a striper but as way that the two sides could discuss in a pretense of fishing, a way their countries could reach terms in other matters.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 5:46 PM ET #46

    so he shot a 50 must been a great day no?
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    so he shot a 50 must been a great day no?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 8:58 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    Trump has a large family. There are many terrorists in the middle east. The secret service is bound to protect all members of a First family. The President cannot say no to that. One of Obama's daughters wanted to stay in Bolivia for several weeks. She also had a secret service there. 

    The business dealings are bothering you. OK. This is an unusually large family, and also a very involved and wealthy family.

    You still don't get it and you still try to spin it

    who cares how large his family is ?

    He was not forced to run for president

    Trump's adult sons can hire their own bodyguards

    https://blackwaterprotection.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    Trump has a large family. There are many terrorists in the middle east. The secret service is bound to protect all members of a First family. The President cannot say no to that. One of Obama's daughters wanted to stay in Bolivia for several weeks. She also had a secret service there. 

    The business dealings are bothering you. OK. This is an unusually large family, and also a very involved and wealthy family.

    You still don't get it and you still try to spin it

    who cares how large his family is ?

    He was not forced to run for president

    Trump's adult sons can hire their own bodyguards

    https://blackwaterprotection.com/

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2017 - 9:10 PM ET #48

    secret service will not allow private security to guard any of the first or second family in america.
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    secret service will not allow private security to guard any of the first or second family in america.
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