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    Media and Left Likely Cause of the Rise in Hate Crimes

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    Posted: May. 2, 2019 - 4:50 PM ET #26

    If their was citizens engaged enough to prevent the mayham they won't bother. It is bot their business attitude cause they aren't the pigs it their job. Criminals do not obey the law. More gun laws seem like the easy fix. And most America in their shut a get attitude like some magic wand to stop this violence. But it isn't simple as another law. It about protecting yourself and loved ones with a gun. NRA spokesmen states this best. The best defense for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. But I am sure liberals will blame guns. Cause it seems an easy fix. Rewrite the constitution.... Pointless but appealing rhetoric and food sound bite material. You know what protects congress and the Senate. Weopons..... Not words. So exception lists we can have except them .... Just another pointless bull load dumped like manna from heaven. 

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    If their was citizens engaged enough to prevent the mayham they won't bother. It is bot their business attitude cause they aren't the pigs it their job. Criminals do not obey the law. More gun laws seem like the easy fix. And most America in their shut a get attitude like some magic wand to stop this violence. But it isn't simple as another law. It about protecting yourself and loved ones with a gun. NRA spokesmen states this best. The best defense for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. But I am sure liberals will blame guns. Cause it seems an easy fix. Rewrite the constitution.... Pointless but appealing rhetoric and food sound bite material. You know what protects congress and the Senate. Weopons..... Not words. So exception lists we can have except them .... Just another pointless bull load dumped like manna from heaven. 

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2019 - 6:02 PM ET #27

    In 2013 the Venezuelan National Assembly, led by President Hugo Chavez, enacted a law to disarm all citizens. Thousands of guns were seized by force..

    The "Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law" took effect in 2013 with little opposition, banning the commercial sale of guns to all except government entities... leaving firearms solely in the hands of the army and the police..

    Today pro-democracy protesters are facing armed troops with stones..

    In addition to government oppression, the crime rate increased dramatically once the 2013 law took effect....

    Guns would have served as a pillar to a free people of Venenzuelan ..with only rocks and molotov cocktails the  Maduro forces just gun them down..

    The peoples of Venezuela have fond out (to late ) that gun control is an instrument tyranny..

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    In 2013 the Venezuelan National Assembly, led by President Hugo Chavez, enacted a law to disarm all citizens. Thousands of guns were seized by force..

    The "Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law" took effect in 2013 with little opposition, banning the commercial sale of guns to all except government entities... leaving firearms solely in the hands of the army and the police..

    Today pro-democracy protesters are facing armed troops with stones..

    In addition to government oppression, the crime rate increased dramatically once the 2013 law took effect....

    Guns would have served as a pillar to a free people of Venenzuelan ..with only rocks and molotov cocktails the  Maduro forces just gun them down..

    The peoples of Venezuela have fond out (to late ) that gun control is an instrument tyranny..

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2019 - 8:14 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    In 2013 the Venezuelan National Assembly, led by President Hugo Chavez, enacted a law to disarm all citizens. Thousands of guns were seized by force..The "Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law" took effect in 2013 with little opposition, banning the commercial sale of guns to all except government entities... leaving firearms solely in the hands of the army and the police..Today pro-democracy protesters are facing armed troops with stones..In addition to government oppression, the crime rate increased dramatically once the 2013 law took effect....Guns would have served as a pillar to a free people of Venenzuelan ..with only rocks and molotov cocktails the  Maduro forces just gun them down..The peoples of Venezuela have fond out (to late ) that gun control is an instrument tyranny..

    WTF? Get some fresh air will ya... 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    In 2013 the Venezuelan National Assembly, led by President Hugo Chavez, enacted a law to disarm all citizens. Thousands of guns were seized by force..The "Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law" took effect in 2013 with little opposition, banning the commercial sale of guns to all except government entities... leaving firearms solely in the hands of the army and the police..Today pro-democracy protesters are facing armed troops with stones..In addition to government oppression, the crime rate increased dramatically once the 2013 law took effect....Guns would have served as a pillar to a free people of Venenzuelan ..with only rocks and molotov cocktails the  Maduro forces just gun them down..The peoples of Venezuela have fond out (to late ) that gun control is an instrument tyranny..

    WTF? Get some fresh air will ya... 

     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2019 - 8:42 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    WTF? Get some fresh air will ya... 


    Why are you always looking for a fight ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    WTF? Get some fresh air will ya... 


    Why are you always looking for a fight ?
     
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    Posted: May. 2, 2019 - 10:16 PM ET #30

    NYPD announced a 67% increase in hate crimes compared to last year while overall crime is down 6%.

     

    Hey Slim ...you knock others for writing gibberish all the time & I couldn't pass up giving you a taste of your own medicine.

    I'll offer an olive branch....

    Friday Churchill Race 11 ex/tri box 4-7-10-13 for a total of 36 bucks. If this doesn't hit, I'll stay out of this forum until Monday.

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    NYPD announced a 67% increase in hate crimes compared to last year while overall crime is down 6%.

     

    Hey Slim ...you knock others for writing gibberish all the time & I couldn't pass up giving you a taste of your own medicine.

    I'll offer an olive branch....

    Friday Churchill Race 11 ex/tri box 4-7-10-13 for a total of 36 bucks. If this doesn't hit, I'll stay out of this forum until Monday.

    an_cheers  

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2019 - 1:06 AM ET #31

    ouldn't find the Aurora story. We cleaned and sold the wife's grandmother's house in Aurora when she passed. She kept pointing out to me how the area had gone to shyt since she was younger.

    A hate crime is a hate crime when the sole motive of said crime is some personal aspect of the victim. And that's what makes them hard to define. It's hard to prove motive. You can't read minds. If a black guy robs you, and calls you a cracka while doing it, it doesn't necessarily make it a hate crime. He's just robbing you. He probably robbed a black guy before he got to you. Now if that same guy, for no apparent reason, walks up to an openly happy guy and starts beating him, calling him slurs while doing it, hate crime. So you can hide behind different interpretations of data, ect but chances are that actual hate crimes are on the rise. And Presidential Rhetoric may contribute to it. The general angst and lack of empathy of this lost generation definitely contributes to it. And per the OP, the media definitely contributes to it. Let's pull back and look at a different issue under the same lense. School shooters. School shootings definitely have spiked since Columbine. I posit that the media's coverage of Columbine, and subsequent shootings, has contributed to said spike. So called "copy cats". So why does the media make these things 24/7 news stories. Is it because the country needs to be informed? They'd have you believe that. These networks are for profit companies though. And everything they do comes back to ratings and money. They are therefore profitting from exploiting tragedies, inspiring copycats, and then ecploiting the subsequent tragedy that results. The are complicit in crimes.

    Back to the media. Don't you think they inspire hate crimes by the way they report them? This is only the tip of the ice berg though. The real way the media contributes to hate crimes is by fanning the flames of divisiveness and tension. And it's not just along racial lines. It's political lines. Religion. Sexual preference. They literally have heterosexual men and women hating each other. The media is f*cked people. Not just the mainstream media, the media is f*cked. We need to tune out.

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    ouldn't find the Aurora story. We cleaned and sold the wife's grandmother's house in Aurora when she passed. She kept pointing out to me how the area had gone to shyt since she was younger.

    A hate crime is a hate crime when the sole motive of said crime is some personal aspect of the victim. And that's what makes them hard to define. It's hard to prove motive. You can't read minds. If a black guy robs you, and calls you a cracka while doing it, it doesn't necessarily make it a hate crime. He's just robbing you. He probably robbed a black guy before he got to you. Now if that same guy, for no apparent reason, walks up to an openly happy guy and starts beating him, calling him slurs while doing it, hate crime. So you can hide behind different interpretations of data, ect but chances are that actual hate crimes are on the rise. And Presidential Rhetoric may contribute to it. The general angst and lack of empathy of this lost generation definitely contributes to it. And per the OP, the media definitely contributes to it. Let's pull back and look at a different issue under the same lense. School shooters. School shootings definitely have spiked since Columbine. I posit that the media's coverage of Columbine, and subsequent shootings, has contributed to said spike. So called "copy cats". So why does the media make these things 24/7 news stories. Is it because the country needs to be informed? They'd have you believe that. These networks are for profit companies though. And everything they do comes back to ratings and money. They are therefore profitting from exploiting tragedies, inspiring copycats, and then ecploiting the subsequent tragedy that results. The are complicit in crimes.

    Back to the media. Don't you think they inspire hate crimes by the way they report them? This is only the tip of the ice berg though. The real way the media contributes to hate crimes is by fanning the flames of divisiveness and tension. And it's not just along racial lines. It's political lines. Religion. Sexual preference. They literally have heterosexual men and women hating each other. The media is f*cked people. Not just the mainstream media, the media is f*cked. We need to tune out.

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2019 - 1:46 PM ET #32

    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.

    Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.
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    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.

    Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.

    I saw Facebook banned Alex Jones, Farrakhan & some guy named Milo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.

    I saw Facebook banned Alex Jones, Farrakhan & some guy named Milo.

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2019 - 11:47 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.

    Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.

    When will CNN & MSNBC be held to account for slandering the POTUS for over 2 years with a fabricated Russian investigation because the dems can't accept the results of the 2016 election? Just curious? 

    Or a commentator on CNN after the Jesse Smullott bs "This is America in 2019"? When do any of these people get tarred & feathered like the Southern Law poverty center gets to do?

    Take off the blinders 3p and look at what your always shoveling...  
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to Southern poverty law center, prejudice is more common in far right extremism than in far left.  That is, bias based on race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation or disability.  According to FBI, most terrorist attacks in the US are committed by right wing extremists.

    Social media is the main way hate speech and fake news are spread.  Facebook, instagram, twitter, youtube and others are banning radical right extremists such as infowars for promoting hate, violence and misinformation.

    When will CNN & MSNBC be held to account for slandering the POTUS for over 2 years with a fabricated Russian investigation because the dems can't accept the results of the 2016 election? Just curious? 

    Or a commentator on CNN after the Jesse Smullott bs "This is America in 2019"? When do any of these people get tarred & feathered like the Southern Law poverty center gets to do?

    Take off the blinders 3p and look at what your always shoveling...  
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2019 - 2:18 AM ET #35

    Hillary wants to know if there can be a steward’s inquiry into the 2016 election.
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    Hillary wants to know if there can be a steward’s inquiry into the 2016 election.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2019 - 12:25 PM ET #36

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame ass request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.

    Just a clown... doing clown things
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    Did anyone see Hillary's lame ass request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.

     
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    The laws that traditionally govern public discourse are all out of whack. Theories like Overtons Window, Foot in the Door and so on really dont apply anyore. 

    Information is weaponized by the left and right. The left controls most of the traditional media and have a stranglehold on social media. The media will under report violence towards those on the right, while over reporting any  violence towards the left. Take the case of ANTIFA,  CNN has repeatedly justified their actions. The same network spent days vilifying the Covington kids, portraying them as agressors and racists even though they had video evidence which clearly showed them as being the passive participants.

    This imbalance of reporting by traditional media players is percieved by an uninformed public as being factual. This triggers the outrage mobs on social media and ipso facto you have a race war on your hands.  

    Now elected officials are involved in inciting these mobs, Maxine Waters and the like. It is a recipe for disaster. If I were in the USA, on the right, I would be carrying/packin/strapped.

    People need to educate themselves and stop worhsipping social media figures, don't take moral cues from celebrities. Get off Facebook and Twit. 

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    The laws that traditionally govern public discourse are all out of whack. Theories like Overtons Window, Foot in the Door and so on really dont apply anyore. 

    Information is weaponized by the left and right. The left controls most of the traditional media and have a stranglehold on social media. The media will under report violence towards those on the right, while over reporting any  violence towards the left. Take the case of ANTIFA,  CNN has repeatedly justified their actions. The same network spent days vilifying the Covington kids, portraying them as agressors and racists even though they had video evidence which clearly showed them as being the passive participants.

    This imbalance of reporting by traditional media players is percieved by an uninformed public as being factual. This triggers the outrage mobs on social media and ipso facto you have a race war on your hands.  

    Now elected officials are involved in inciting these mobs, Maxine Waters and the like. It is a recipe for disaster. If I were in the USA, on the right, I would be carrying/packin/strapped.

    People need to educate themselves and stop worhsipping social media figures, don't take moral cues from celebrities. Get off Facebook and Twit. 

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2019 - 2:59 PM ET #38

    stalwell wants ur guns!!

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    stalwell wants ur guns!!

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2019 - 4:35 PM ET #39

    Well written Hockey... Antifa bs and Covington kids perfect illustrations of the constant deception. In a country with such a mixture of races within 330M, overall we're a beacon of success when it comes to the races getting along. There's isolated incidents but they are in no way within our everyday lives as the media tries to claim and the dems scare tactics "there's gonna put ya'll back in chains"... Yeah right. 
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    Well written Hockey... Antifa bs and Covington kids perfect illustrations of the constant deception. In a country with such a mixture of races within 330M, overall we're a beacon of success when it comes to the races getting along. There's isolated incidents but they are in no way within our everyday lives as the media tries to claim and the dems scare tactics "there's gonna put ya'll back in chains"... Yeah right. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2019 - 4:37 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.


    Nope missed that one but I did catch trumps plea to russia, Yep it's lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.


    Nope missed that one but I did catch trumps plea to russia, Yep it's lame.
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2019 - 8:35 PM ET #41

    We differ on your premise that he wants what is best for America. He wants what is best for him. It's all about him.

    Having grown up in NYC I've been exposed to this POS for years when he was stiffing local businesses. So I guess you can say I've disliked him for many many years. He's a con man who stole from his own charity. What kind of man does that?

    Finally, I don't like his lies & deceit. I will accept any new president like I have in the past except for this fraud. This POS has to go.

    Welcome to the forum.

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    We differ on your premise that he wants what is best for America. He wants what is best for him. It's all about him.

    Having grown up in NYC I've been exposed to this POS for years when he was stiffing local businesses. So I guess you can say I've disliked him for many many years. He's a con man who stole from his own charity. What kind of man does that?

    Finally, I don't like his lies & deceit. I will accept any new president like I have in the past except for this fraud. This POS has to go.

    Welcome to the forum.

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2019 - 9:31 PM ET #42

    That's the old Trump ..Midnight1.

    President Trump has,had an epiphany since becoming The President..In fact just recently pastor Jim Bakker said of Trump..“He wants to please God,”... “He’s not perfect, none of us are perfect, but he is being taught and mentored and prayed with more than probably any president in the history of the United States of America..

    “This is probably one of the basic reasons why there’s miracles coming out of the White House and why there’s a miracle in America,” he added.
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    That's the old Trump ..Midnight1.

    President Trump has,had an epiphany since becoming The President..In fact just recently pastor Jim Bakker said of Trump..“He wants to please God,”... “He’s not perfect, none of us are perfect, but he is being taught and mentored and prayed with more than probably any president in the history of the United States of America..

    “This is probably one of the basic reasons why there’s miracles coming out of the White House and why there’s a miracle in America,” he added.
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2019 - 9:51 PM ET #43

    I'll quote Jerry Falwell Jr...."What pool boy?"

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    I'll quote Jerry Falwell Jr...."What pool boy?"

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2019 - 10:50 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.


    It was a joke made by Bill Maher a few years ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.


    It was a joke made by Bill Maher a few years ago
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    That's the old Trump ..Midnight1.

    President Trump has,had an epiphany since becoming The President..In fact just recently pastor Jim Bakker said of Trump..“He wants to please God,”... “He’s not perfect, none of us are perfect, but he is being taught and mentored and prayed with more than probably any president in the history of the United States of America..

    “This is probably one of the basic reasons why there’s miracles coming out of the White House and why there’s a miracle in America,” he added.

    Well if anyone can see the good in Don The Con, it's good old Jim Bakker who paid off a woman to hide a sexual encounter (in a Florida hotel room of all places) misused funds, and went to prison for mail fraud, wire fraud and conspiracy.   Birds of a feather!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    That's the old Trump ..Midnight1.

    President Trump has,had an epiphany since becoming The President..In fact just recently pastor Jim Bakker said of Trump..“He wants to please God,”... “He’s not perfect, none of us are perfect, but he is being taught and mentored and prayed with more than probably any president in the history of the United States of America..

    “This is probably one of the basic reasons why there’s miracles coming out of the White House and why there’s a miracle in America,” he added.

    Well if anyone can see the good in Don The Con, it's good old Jim Bakker who paid off a woman to hide a sexual encounter (in a Florida hotel room of all places) misused funds, and went to prison for mail fraud, wire fraud and conspiracy.   Birds of a feather!
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2019 - 12:10 PM ET #46

    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. 

    Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? 

    I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant. 
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    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. 

    Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? 

    I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyWooPie:

    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant.

    You get a lot of that around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyWooPie:

    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant.

    You get a lot of that around here.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2019 - 9:07 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyWooPie:

    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant.

    Who are you really? Someone called you out for being an SAF in another thread. I'm really curious....

    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyWooPie:

    I love the copy and paste job from the OP. Confirmed by the blue background on the text. Do you think he swiped this off some conservative message board? An op ed piece? His drunk uncle's Facebook page? I love that there's not one fact in the whole worthless rant.

    Who are you really? Someone called you out for being an SAF in another thread. I'm really curious....

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2019 - 9:54 PM ET #49

    Never eat the fish from the pocket of a dead man unless the custard is smooth as butter

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    Never eat the fish from the pocket of a dead man unless the custard is smooth as butter

     
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2019 - 10:56 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.
    It was a joke made by Bill Maher a few years ago

    I could've swore I saw her on a talk show doing it in a jovial manner.

    Just a clown... doing clown things
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko:

    Did anyone see Hillary's lame behind request for China to hack Trump's tax returns?  She is such a pathetic sore loser.
    It was a joke made by Bill Maher a few years ago

    I could've swore I saw her on a talk show doing it in a jovial manner.

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