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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 7:16 AM ET #1

    It is intellectually dishonest to ignore the broken promises from the US & NATO regarding NATO expansion. It is lunacy to deny that Russia has legitimate security concerns posed by this expansion even if its response to these concerns is a heinous invasion. Both can be true.

    During the 78 day NATO bombing of Serbia and Montenegro in 1999, the US-led NATO alliance committed similar or identical acts that it is now condemning Russia for in Ukraine.

    President Clinton sidestepped both the UN and the US Congress in initiating this bombing. Joe Biden was among its biggest cheerleaders.

    Under the command of US General Wesley Clark, NATO intentionally bombed Radio Television Serbia, killing 16 media workers, including technicians and makeup artists.

    The US-led NATO force used internationally-banned cluster bombs, including on a crowded marketplace in the city of Nis.

    The US-led NATO force bombed a civilian passenger train and then released a doctored video, sped up to make it appear as though it was a mistake made in a split second. This was a total fabrication.

    The US bombed the Chinese embassy, killing three journalists. The US-led NATO force bombed bridges and civilian infrastructure repeatedly.

    These crimes committed by the US and its NATO allies do not in any way excuse or justify Russia’s aggression. At the same time, history and context matter. If the US wants the moral high ground, it should cease its own ongoing war crimes and support for war crimes.

    This could begin with such actions as ending all support for Israel’s aggression against Palestine and recognizing the Palestinians’ legitimate right to self defense.

    The US could immediately end all support for Saudi Arabia and “make it a pariah,” as Biden promised. The US could stop its drone strikes in Somalia and elsewhere.

    The systemic US failure to accept responsibility for its own crimes undermines the credibility of its condemnations of Russia, particularly in the eyes of anyone who knows the history of NATO and US militarism. It is a gift to Putin's cause.

    There is no contradiction between standing with the people of Ukraine and against Russia’s heinous invasion and being honest about the hypocrisy, war crimes and militarism of the US and NATO.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    It is intellectually dishonest to ignore the broken promises from the US & NATO regarding NATO expansion. It is lunacy to deny that Russia has legitimate security concerns posed by this expansion even if its response to these concerns is a heinous invasion. Both can be true.

    During the 78 day NATO bombing of Serbia and Montenegro in 1999, the US-led NATO alliance committed similar or identical acts that it is now condemning Russia for in Ukraine.

    President Clinton sidestepped both the UN and the US Congress in initiating this bombing. Joe Biden was among its biggest cheerleaders.

    Under the command of US General Wesley Clark, NATO intentionally bombed Radio Television Serbia, killing 16 media workers, including technicians and makeup artists.

    The US-led NATO force used internationally-banned cluster bombs, including on a crowded marketplace in the city of Nis.

    The US-led NATO force bombed a civilian passenger train and then released a doctored video, sped up to make it appear as though it was a mistake made in a split second. This was a total fabrication.

    The US bombed the Chinese embassy, killing three journalists. The US-led NATO force bombed bridges and civilian infrastructure repeatedly.

    These crimes committed by the US and its NATO allies do not in any way excuse or justify Russia’s aggression. At the same time, history and context matter. If the US wants the moral high ground, it should cease its own ongoing war crimes and support for war crimes.

    This could begin with such actions as ending all support for Israel’s aggression against Palestine and recognizing the Palestinians’ legitimate right to self defense.

    The US could immediately end all support for Saudi Arabia and “make it a pariah,” as Biden promised. The US could stop its drone strikes in Somalia and elsewhere.

    The systemic US failure to accept responsibility for its own crimes undermines the credibility of its condemnations of Russia, particularly in the eyes of anyone who knows the history of NATO and US militarism. It is a gift to Putin's cause.

    There is no contradiction between standing with the people of Ukraine and against Russia’s heinous invasion and being honest about the hypocrisy, war crimes and militarism of the US and NATO.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 7:51 AM ET #2

    Bean head Biden's speech sure got the killing of Ukrainians ramped up.

     

    biden is complicit in everything wrong with America. 47 years of his BS.

    Sad how the failing polls gets them to ends masks(the science), want to fund the police, lower the cost of scripts(too funny cause they raised them) and much more

     

    Thank a dem for rising costs in EVERYTHING as Russia thanks a dem for buying their product. 

     

    Everything Trump did was right for this country and bean head Joe made it his official duty to reverse all of what Trump did and he did it all for spite.

     

     

    FJB, F the bean heads who support him and F Beau

     

     

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    Bean head Biden's speech sure got the killing of Ukrainians ramped up.

     

    biden is complicit in everything wrong with America. 47 years of his BS.

    Sad how the failing polls gets them to ends masks(the science), want to fund the police, lower the cost of scripts(too funny cause they raised them) and much more

     

    Thank a dem for rising costs in EVERYTHING as Russia thanks a dem for buying their product. 

     

    Everything Trump did was right for this country and bean head Joe made it his official duty to reverse all of what Trump did and he did it all for spite.

     

     

    FJB, F the bean heads who support him and F Beau

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 9:32 AM ET #3

    Interesting article from a year ago; https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/5/ukraines-president-bans-pro-russian-networks-risking-support

    Notable parts in the article;

    Zelenskyy was elected in 2019 with 73 percent of the vote, a staggering figure for a rookie politician whose only experience in the halls of power was the role of an accidental president in a popular TV series. 

    But recent polls show that Zelenskyy’s approval ratings have fallen well below 40 percent, reflecting the public’s growing dissatisfaction with his inconclusive policies and constant cabinet changes.

     

    At the dawn of his presidency in 2019, Zelenskyy pledged to “never, ever shut down any TV networks”, and key members of his Servant of the People party frequented the studios of the three television stations he would order off the air.

    The networks widely covered his steps to settle the separatist conflict. But in recent months, they began to harshly criticise Zelenskyy’s policies as his ratings plummeted.

    Their coverage is “propaganda financed by the aggressor country that undermines Ukraine on its way” to membership in the European Union and NATO, Zelenskyy tweeted on Wednesday.

    However, the EU reprimanded Zelenskyy’s move.

    “Given the scale of disinformation campaigns affecting Ukraine including from abroad, this should not come at the expense of freedom of media,” the spokesperson of EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement on Wednesday.

    Zelenskyy’s decision seems like an attempt to win points with US President Joe Biden, who called him one day before the ban, on Monday, for the first time after his election.

     

     

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    Interesting article from a year ago; https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/5/ukraines-president-bans-pro-russian-networks-risking-support

    Notable parts in the article;

    Zelenskyy was elected in 2019 with 73 percent of the vote, a staggering figure for a rookie politician whose only experience in the halls of power was the role of an accidental president in a popular TV series. 

    But recent polls show that Zelenskyy’s approval ratings have fallen well below 40 percent, reflecting the public’s growing dissatisfaction with his inconclusive policies and constant cabinet changes.

     

    At the dawn of his presidency in 2019, Zelenskyy pledged to “never, ever shut down any TV networks”, and key members of his Servant of the People party frequented the studios of the three television stations he would order off the air.

    The networks widely covered his steps to settle the separatist conflict. But in recent months, they began to harshly criticise Zelenskyy’s policies as his ratings plummeted.

    Their coverage is “propaganda financed by the aggressor country that undermines Ukraine on its way” to membership in the European Union and NATO, Zelenskyy tweeted on Wednesday.

    However, the EU reprimanded Zelenskyy’s move.

    “Given the scale of disinformation campaigns affecting Ukraine including from abroad, this should not come at the expense of freedom of media,” the spokesperson of EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said in a statement on Wednesday.

    Zelenskyy’s decision seems like an attempt to win points with US President Joe Biden, who called him one day before the ban, on Monday, for the first time after his election.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 9:43 AM ET #4

    Not trying to legitimize the invasion rather point out what led to it.

    Just like democrats calling for the banning of "misinformation" and course they would love to shutdown certain cable news outlets, this behavior, in the name of democracy, is actually Totalitarianism at it's best. 

    Would imagine Joe encouraged the TV station shutdowns. 

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    Not trying to legitimize the invasion rather point out what led to it.

    Just like democrats calling for the banning of "misinformation" and course they would love to shutdown certain cable news outlets, this behavior, in the name of democracy, is actually Totalitarianism at it's best. 

    Would imagine Joe encouraged the TV station shutdowns. 

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 9:47 AM ET #5

    Found this statement in another article interesting too;

    Meanwhile, many average Ukrainians remain indifferent by the changing of the guards in the White House.

    “The old president was unpredictable, the new one is, they say, senile,” Viktoria Poleshchuk, a 49-year-old bookkeeper in Kyiv, told Al Jazeera. “We don’t care. We’re too busy with our survival here.”

    That is a glimpse of how foreigners viewed Biden in November, 2020. Wonder what they say now? an_roll_laugh

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    Found this statement in another article interesting too;

    Meanwhile, many average Ukrainians remain indifferent by the changing of the guards in the White House.

    “The old president was unpredictable, the new one is, they say, senile,” Viktoria Poleshchuk, a 49-year-old bookkeeper in Kyiv, told Al Jazeera. “We don’t care. We’re too busy with our survival here.”

    That is a glimpse of how foreigners viewed Biden in November, 2020. Wonder what they say now? an_roll_laugh

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