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    James Mattis letter against Trump

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 5:49 PM ET #1

    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

    James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

    Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics.

    Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

    We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite.

    Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

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    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

    James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

    Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics.

    Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

    We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite.

    Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 6:15 PM ET #2

    Another disgruntled former employee....Probably the one thing Trump and Obama have in common is that they both fired James Mattis..

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    Another disgruntled former employee....Probably the one thing Trump and Obama have in common is that they both fired James Mattis..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 6:45 PM ET #3

    The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful

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    The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 6:48 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful

    Deep State RINOs................

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful

    Deep State RINOs................

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 7:54 PM ET #5

    Gen Mattis

    Gen Kelly

    Jeff sessions 

    Rec.tillerson

    Rumsfeld

    Sen glassy Iowa

    Sen collins maine

    Gw Bush

    Jeb Bush

    Former governor kasich.

    Not sure what you think of your party slim...

    But that was the face of the Republican party y'all supported..... 

    I

    Kasich  is slated to address the Democratic convention.... 

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    Gen Mattis

    Gen Kelly

    Jeff sessions 

    Rec.tillerson

    Rumsfeld

    Sen glassy Iowa

    Sen collins maine

    Gw Bush

    Jeb Bush

    Former governor kasich.

    Not sure what you think of your party slim...

    But that was the face of the Republican party y'all supported..... 

    I

    Kasich  is slated to address the Democratic convention.... 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 7:56 PM ET #6

    The Republican convention has been moved to Jacksonville and is downsized dramatically.

    Trump loses... Hope he doesn't nuke the world on the way out the door...

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    The Republican convention has been moved to Jacksonville and is downsized dramatically.

    Trump loses... Hope he doesn't nuke the world on the way out the door...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 8:40 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful Deep State RINOs................

    Were they also RINO's when they saved your boy from being convicted in the Senate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: The list is growing of Republicans who dind the former Democrat Trump conduct disgraceful Deep State RINOs................

    Were they also RINO's when they saved your boy from being convicted in the Senate?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 8:50 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law. Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite. Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

    James Mattis a leader who served our country in uniform telling it like it is

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law. Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite. Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

    James Mattis a leader who served our country in uniform telling it like it is

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 8:57 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The Republican convention has been moved to Jacksonville and is downsized dramatically. Trump loses... Hope he doesn't nuke the world on the way out the door...
    trump simply doesnt care . after he loses he will claim victory and tie up the office in the courts for months

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The Republican convention has been moved to Jacksonville and is downsized dramatically. Trump loses... Hope he doesn't nuke the world on the way out the door...
    trump simply doesnt care . after he loses he will claim victory and tie up the office in the courts for months

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2020 - 11:19 PM ET #10

    No the moment the election is called secret service secures both the president and the president elect. Where trumo set presidence in the matter of a transitional teams ... Trump will have serious problems after the election he will continue to divide the country. But most will recognize a poor loser. His undying faithful will defend this cause till their dying day and rail of how Biden stole the election how Trump was betrayed by his party and so on and so forth. 

    But such as the transfer in power has happened it will happen and I am sure that Republicans are bracing for a sweep from the Democratic party.

    Then this where we all will feel the disillusion as democrats habe a nasty buisness of.never agreeing to anything amd break back into their factions. Each even furthur from a center than ever

     I like it to be different but I feel this is the fate that is sealed

     

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    No the moment the election is called secret service secures both the president and the president elect. Where trumo set presidence in the matter of a transitional teams ... Trump will have serious problems after the election he will continue to divide the country. But most will recognize a poor loser. His undying faithful will defend this cause till their dying day and rail of how Biden stole the election how Trump was betrayed by his party and so on and so forth. 

    But such as the transfer in power has happened it will happen and I am sure that Republicans are bracing for a sweep from the Democratic party.

    Then this where we all will feel the disillusion as democrats habe a nasty buisness of.never agreeing to anything amd break back into their factions. Each even furthur from a center than ever

     I like it to be different but I feel this is the fate that is sealed

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    No the moment the election is called secret service secures both the president and the president elect. Where trumo set presidence in the matter of a transitional teams ... Trump will have serious problems after the election he will continue to divide the country. But most will recognize trump a poor loser. His undying faithful will defend this cause till their dying day and rail of how Biden stole the election how Trump was betrayed by his party and so on and so forth. 

    But such as the transfer in power has happened it will happen and I am sure that Republicans are bracing for a sweep from the Democratic party. Then this where we all will feel the disillusion as democrats habe a nasty buisness of.never agreeing to anything amd break back into their factions. Each even furthur from a center than ever  

    I like it to be different but I feel this is the fate that is sealed

    Agreed. Very good points.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    No the moment the election is called secret service secures both the president and the president elect. Where trumo set presidence in the matter of a transitional teams ... Trump will have serious problems after the election he will continue to divide the country. But most will recognize trump a poor loser. His undying faithful will defend this cause till their dying day and rail of how Biden stole the election how Trump was betrayed by his party and so on and so forth. 

    But such as the transfer in power has happened it will happen and I am sure that Republicans are bracing for a sweep from the Democratic party. Then this where we all will feel the disillusion as democrats habe a nasty buisness of.never agreeing to anything amd break back into their factions. Each even furthur from a center than ever  

    I like it to be different but I feel this is the fate that is sealed

    Agreed. Very good points.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2020 - 12:36 AM ET #12

    Disagree w yur take. We created trump because our system is completely broken and he is the result. B4 trump, Obama was far and away the most divisive president of my lifetime. And b4 that it was Bush. They r mirrors of our society. Trump will be long gone in a yr or 4 but the underlying problems will still be here. We need a real leader. Wasn’t Bush, wasn’t Obama, certainly not trump And not Biden for that matter.
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    Disagree w yur take. We created trump because our system is completely broken and he is the result. B4 trump, Obama was far and away the most divisive president of my lifetime. And b4 that it was Bush. They r mirrors of our society. Trump will be long gone in a yr or 4 but the underlying problems will still be here. We need a real leader. Wasn’t Bush, wasn’t Obama, certainly not trump And not Biden for that matter.
     
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    Good point. Agreed .....mostly.

    Except re: Obama.  There was division in our country during his presidency as there has been in every president since Kennedy.  Division caused over policies (like AFA) is one thing....Division caused by inciting BIGOTRY - both political AND racial (like trump does, but Obama did not) is quite another.  Obama's sin, apparently, was being born half black...

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    Good point. Agreed .....mostly.

    Except re: Obama.  There was division in our country during his presidency as there has been in every president since Kennedy.  Division caused over policies (like AFA) is one thing....Division caused by inciting BIGOTRY - both political AND racial (like trump does, but Obama did not) is quite another.  Obama's sin, apparently, was being born half black...

     
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    George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall. 

    Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before? 

    Answer: No.

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    George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall. 

    Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before? 

    Answer: No.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2020 - 6:06 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall.  Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before?  Answer: No.
    first time for everything . will has been a stout but traditional republican . the gop is dead now

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall.  Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before?  Answer: No.
    first time for everything . will has been a stout but traditional republican . the gop is dead now

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall.  Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before?  Answer: No.first time for everything . will has been a stout but traditional republican . the gop is dead now
      LOTS of Republicans BOLTING from GOP.  UNPRECEDENTED in modern times at anywhere near this extent!  Trump is hemorraging PREVIOUS voters and not gaining any new sources.  Only fools don't see this reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: George Will, a former Republican, says he will vote for Joe Biden in this fall.  Will, when he was asked if he ever voted for a Democrat before?  Answer: No.first time for everything . will has been a stout but traditional republican . the gop is dead now
      LOTS of Republicans BOLTING from GOP.  UNPRECEDENTED in modern times at anywhere near this extent!  Trump is hemorraging PREVIOUS voters and not gaining any new sources.  Only fools don't see this reality.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law. Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite. Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

    As true as when General Mattis wrote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law. Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us ... was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis — confident that we are better than our politics. Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite. Only by adopting a new path — which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals — will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

    As true as when General Mattis wrote it.

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